Been doing some thinking on this due to recent experiences.
What are thoughts on using money to give you leverage in attracting women?
I understand the general consensus is you become a beta bux and it wont make women attracted to you. But Im more so talking about it to get more women to you or around you.
I’ve realized a huge problem is getting women together in the first place. They're just naturally flakey. Even in cases where they might like you any doubt usually errs toward a rejection or flake and youve already lost. But ive found once you actually get the women to you at least in my experience its a game changer.
This was essentially the model for fraternitys you pay dues to provide girls with shitty alcohol and top quality guys at a 3:1 ratio Girls to guys.
Recently I experienced a table at a club something I was always against, but man was it a gamechanger girls literally came to you and it was so easy. The key thing here is obviously this hinges on having game otherwise you are a beta bux and the second you stop buying things they leave you.
Now I am not justifying spending outlandishly or spending money you don’t have all for the sake of attracting women. But providing an experience where girls value would play out well on a larger scale, rather than having to find lead after lead.
Just to clarify this does not me buying girls things Im more talking about using money to provide things that get girls to your location for an indefinite amount of time. For example my friends dad has a suite for a sporting event and inviting girls to come?
The pros imo are just that you get a large number of girls in a location we’re theyre almost forced to get to know you. Especially if you go there with that as a secondary intention you still have fun.
Plus if you take a girl on a date you’re still paying for her. Here you get options, and you can rinse and repeat and have them invite more friends. Infinite women glitch?
Cons?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Money should provide access not provisioning
Provisioning is beta bux
The guy with the yacht is going to have a better time acquiring women but what about the guy renting a yatch? Would you spend 5k for such a rental for one lay? There becomes a point where the line between financial access to fun attractive assets and trips etc blur with the line of provisioning
If you're going to acquire pussy with money at all it should be assets that you have for you or access to societies that are mostly for the benefit of you
I really think your whole post is an overthink. A girl would rather be taken to a date in a Ferrari than a Ford but you are taking basic (and what should be obvious) distinctions and making it I to something jt shouldn't be
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
then there is this question - why would you want to go on a date with a women that wants to go to a date in a Ferrari? Why would you want to hang out with whores?
Boosted_Arrow 4mo ago
if you go down this route, you could just go to prostitutes. That might be cheaper than sugarbabes and all that stuff.
But never expect genuine desire with that.
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
that's not true... you'll expereince women with genuine desire....for a bailout
Boosted_Arrow 4mo ago
Transactional sex, as opposed to validational sex, can't by definition entail genuine desire.
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
you realise I was making a little joke, right?
Boosted_Arrow 4mo ago
I don't consider you funny
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
After I hit my stride but before I got married, I had zero trouble getting laid while driving a beater and dressing like a slob.
Using money to attract women will only attract shallow gold-diggers.
Get muscles. Act with confidence and congruence. Improve your game and social skills.
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
This x 1000.
Using money to attract women will actually reduce your chances of smashing. Women fuck men that they are attracted to, and date men that they think have resources with a chance of converting the to paypigs (Husbands).
Think about it - guy meets women, she quite likes him - but realises that his broke. She will just go ahead and let him smash. But she meets the same guy and he uses signals to make her aware that he is wealthy- she immediately goes into husband acquisition mode. And the most important signal for her to send is that she is not a slut. She knows that men don't want to marry sluts, so she will drag out the 'courtship' phase for ever. You'll be bringing this woman all round town before you get to even kiss her.
Signalling wealth actually reduces your chances of getting laid.
My most chadly phase was when I had zero money. I was smashing left right and centre. First night smashes, no dating, no restaurants, no fancy dinners. Now that I'm loaded, I live like an incel. Not even my wife wants to fuck me.
If I could get rid of one myth that they young spergs have on his forum its the idea that having money will get your laid.
YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE RICH TO GET LAID. POOR PEOPLE HAVE WAY MORE SEX THAN RICH PEOPLE.
I know what you are thinking - you'll be saying 'yeah, but money helps you get laid'. It really doesn't it hinders you getting laid.
The reason you can't get laid is because you are most likely aiming too high (for 10s, while you yourself are not a 10), you are looking in the wrong places (bars and clubs, or even worse, on OLD) and you have shitty game (learnt it from youtube from some fraudulent PUA). And most of all - you provide zero tingles. You're not interesting, not dangerous, not unsuitable.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
Either that one, or that silly idea that their life is over at 25:
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/162022
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/196655
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/192500
These two shitposts spoofing on it are two of my favorite shitposts I've done:
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/191353
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/192359
I think it comes from watching too much success porn on social media. They get this idea that if by 24 you don't make 6 figures, drive a Bentley, own a mansion and a summer cottage, then you ain't shit! when the reality is, you're just getting started in your 20s.
MrSupreme 4mo ago
Think outside the box, chicks in Latin America are desperate for a foreigner with money to provide the passport and the moving out of her shithole country/situation, they are naturally attracted to foreigners so there's not much game needed, they turn into sluts semi-automatically. In exchange,she will cook,clean,put out and suck your dick. If that is not your thing then use money to shower broke girls with frequent gifts or maybe pay her rent, you'll need a bit more game and frame to not let her suck your wallet dry instead of your dick, and it is likely she has some other guys paying for stuff too. All in all, basing your romantic lifestyle on money is not a good deal, unless you're thinking of frequenting prostitutes, in Wich case it's alright,just forget gaming them and go straight to the fucking, maybe once a week and devote your time to other aspects of life,like money,family,friendships,social life and reputation.
Musicgoon78 1 4mo ago
I'll say this as food for thought:
What you lead with is the thing women will take from you. If you lead with your money, women will stick around to drain your resources. If you lead with your sense of humor women will dial you when they need a pick me up.
Now if you lead with your sexuality, guess what women will want from you?
I know a lot of guys that get girls because a nice car and a fancy flat. Take away the car and the money and suddenly women aren't interested in "them".
In reality, women were never interested in them. The money is the draw.
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
this is solid gold.
Durek_The_Bald 4mo ago
Oooo, I like that. I'm taking it!
Lionsmane8 4mo ago
Spot on mate!
MyBoyJob 4mo ago
It’s a fine line. Just feel her out and make sure she actually wants to fuck. If she does, I don’t mind paying for a few drinks to keep the party going.
redhawkes 2 4mo ago
Money will open the legs, but won't make the pussy wet.
If you lead with money, make sure to use the carrot on the stick method, then once you smash, eject. Many won't spread it just because you're loaded, so they'll try to juice you and withhold pussy. Don't be that guy.
Learning Game is essential, especially if you play with gold diggers or femme fatale.
RedPill115 4mo ago
You're spot on, and all the beta replies here are boring.
It would be more interesting to discuss which ways this works very well and which ways it doesn't.
It works well if you're just making things easier or more interesting for yourself. On the opposite end incongruently showboating doesn't work well.
RedPill115 4mo ago
For example, I was going to college. My parents were like "live at home and save money". What a horrible mistake that would have been. Living at college I ran into girls on campus naturally and had a girlfriend in 2 weeks.
On the other hand, after college I moved into some fancy apartments thinking this would be impressive. It didn't work at all. The fancy schmamcy place had limited parking, was away from both work and leisure, and when people did come over I feel like it reflected that I wasn't entirely comfortable there. I didn't date anyone that entire time.
First-light 4mo ago
I have always avoided this idea, both because it is pretending to be what you are not and because I am, as pretty much every woman I have ever been with has complained, a skinflint. Being a skinflint has not stopped me interacting with women.
However, I have also observed that women really do like "quality" experiences. My daughters still talk about the rare times I have taken them to a hotel or a restaurant. They appear to remember what they ate and what they wore. Since they have been raised with low expectations, if a boy buys them a pizza, its a great excitement. A good friend of mine who likes fine food will come and stay and we will be dragged out to waste money on fancy food. I will remark to my lady that surely it would be less hassle to stay in and I buy her something lasting that she likes and buy myself something I like with the money that is wasted on what will be flushed down a toilet next day but she seems to feel the ephemeral experience of dining out is preferable to having something lasting of value..
So spending money on women does, I fear, work. I think there is some attraction in being valued enough to have the money wasted on you as well as attraction to an experience they feel is classy and of course the attraction to money itself. I think even women who are not shallow enough to sleep with a man just for money can still be turned by the idea of class and of his valuing them that much.
With women its usually a case of relativity. The experience provided needs to be superior to what the girl is used to, so poorer girls will be more easily turned. You will of course have to live up to first impressions for the duration of your relationship with them, so this needs to be budgeted for as well.
Lionsmane8 4mo ago
You can use money as tool to put you in a situation or position to meet women.
You can also use money as a way to control the frame. (My car, my place etc.)
That being said, do not flaunt that money, do not rely on it. Use it as a startegic tool and then let your tingle inducing charm do the rest.
The women that sleep with you because of the money will not do it because of desire. You might as well just get a prostitute.
Flaunting money also attracts mostly gold diggers and poor girls in desperate need of a lifestyle upgrade.
Also girls will flake and be wishy washy regardless of your charm or your money.
She may even love you to death, but she'll still find a reason to sabotage something you have going on, just because...
Just don't count on them for anything... not even sex.. diversify
financehardo420 4mo ago
My take: IF you’ve got it like that; go for it.
That assumes you’re budgeting responsibly (saving and investing 50%+ of your income) and can afford to do shit like get tables/yachts/etc WITHOUT going into debt and still being able to pay your bills etc. works out better if you’ve got some boys and you all split the bill on things like this.
However if you’re spend on lifestyle prohibits you from saving/investing responsibly then no; you can’t afford it and you would be absolutely foolish to try and pretend to be something you’re not.
Added note: I see guys on tables all the time w zero bitches; or even worse ones that come, drink their booze, n leave to go fuck chad. Sad fucks dropped hella cash to not even get laid. Moral of story: do all the other work that makes women genuinely attracted to you (muscle, style, charisma, etc) and then the money becomes an added bonus.
You could be a rich fat fuck and you might get laid but they don’t have burning genuine desire for you. You can be a brokie but jacked and they’ll want you more. I’ve been fat as fuck w a rolex and tables n buying drinks and did not get laid much. I’ve also been 10% bf doing the same thing and got laid effortlessly being in shape.
Bonus sauce: only compliments I’ve ever got on my watches were from other men. Take that as you will
whytehorse2021 4mo ago
I second the passport bro route. An average American guy is like a top 1%'er in other countries. Modern women have no clue as to how high value we are on a global sexual marketplace. I'd go get a Fillippina nurse and bring her to the states. They can make buttloads of money, have no debt, have their college done, and have trad/con upbringing. Just prep them to ignore the feminist lies and brainwashing.
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
I can think of two friends that have gone this route. With two very different outcomes.
One is living well - the wife (asian) is keeping a great house, drives him everywhere and is quite hot at 42 while he is 75.
the other pal that went the passport bro route has lost everything and actually spent some time living in a homeless shelter.
whytehorse2021 4mo ago
Let me guess: one screened her for 2 years and the other didn't...
spartanblood1 4mo ago
The best thing about being broke and still pulling girls, is that I know they weren't with me for my money, because I couldn't take them out anywhere. I pulled the most girls back then too
Overkill_Engine 2 4mo ago
In the First World this is a bad idea because provisioning is taken for granted or outright exploited.
In other places it may be more workable, but you had better make sure you control the money yourself at all times with an iron fist.
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
using money to get women is just the same as going to whores. But going to whores is always cheaper in the end.
We tend to think of whores as women that stand on the street corner, willing to have sex for $50. But in reality, a whore is just a woman that will have sex in exchange for value, and that value can be lots of things - such as dinners, trips, gifts. It can also be access to a faux-relationship with a man that they believe they may be able to convert into a provider.
That last one is the most common - normal women will be appalled at the concept of standing on the street corner turning tricks for $50, but they will absolutely have sex with men like George Constanza if they believe they have the chance of converting him into a paypig/ beta bux. It's the equivalent of buying a lottery ticket, where the prize is finding a high paid husband, and the ticket price is having sex with an average man (which no woman wants to do...the ick!!!!)
So most women are whores, at least in their head. They provide sex in exchange for value.
I'm not interested in that kind of sex. The only kind of sex I enjoy is sex with a woman that wants to have sex with me. Not in exchange for anything. I much prefer sex with unattractive women that actually want to have sex over sex with attractive whores.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
Same. My favorite ex, and the only one I'd ever have considered seeing again after ending it, was only a 5. But she was one of the most enthusiastic fucks ever, and a lot of fun.
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
can totally relate. Beauty is a bit over rated. Sure, its nice. But enthusiasm beats everything.