Hi Everyone. First post here. I was directed her by another Reddit member. They said here is where I should ask this advice.
My wife and I have a decent sex life. Goes in spurts but we generally enjoy it when it happens. Were married 8 years, I’m 42, she’s 37. We are an attractive couple.
This morning when we woke up, after talking about sex we had last nite, she said that she was thinking of “spicing things up” a little bit. I asked her what she meant, and she said she was thinking about bringing another man into the bedroom, no emotional strings attached. Right away my chin dropped at the thought of it, as i have never done this before. She said not to freak out, she read that many couples do it under agreed terms, and it betters their sex lives.
I am KIND OF up for it if it will make her happy. However, she wants it be someone we know who we can trust. She mentioned an ex boyfriend of hers who is a mutual friend of ours as a possibility. He’s now married too. Good guy, we see him around mutual friends. Now the GOOD with this is, we know the guy and he respects me with my wife. Their time has passed. What WORRIES me about it is, from what my wife has told me about him, they had VERY rough sex. Kinky, even degrading stuff. Even her friends have told me when we first started dating in a joking manner.
QUESTION: Is she trying to relive what she had with this guy? Or is she really trying to better OUR sex life?
itbitme334 7y ago
Obviously tell her no, because getting mixed up feeling with another man is never okay and it can only hurt your relationship.
I would advice however to head over to /r/strugglefucking and /r/maledom and study up. If she suggested a guy whose into rougher stuff, she thinks you're not willing to give her the rougher sex she wants. The 1# fantasy amongst women is rape fantasies. Surprise her.
BeachBum09 8y ago
No fucking way. The only way this is even remotely a possibility in my mind is, "Sure! If his wife can join!"
Just so we are all clear here. Your wife still wants to fuck her ex and often thinks about it. She is using this excuse as a way to hamster it around in her mind as a legit and normal thing.
Thing is couples who are poly or swing often set very very specific ground rules on their encounters with others outside the marriage. A couple in a healthy relationship who choose the poly/swinger lifestyle set these rules and boundaries as well as express their apprehension and/or any concerns about the situation well before it occurs and well before a potential extra partner or poly/swinger encounter occurs. Also, people in that lifestyle very rarely bring in an "extra" that was once in a monogamous relationship with one of the partners. This crosses a line with many people in the lifestyle. Being in the lifestyle fears and anxiety about your partner leaving you for one of their other intimate partners is a legit concern. One that takes trust and reassurance between partners. Those in the lifestyle wouldn't risk involving an ex for that very reason.
You need to tell your wife under no unspecific terms that this is unacceptable. If, for whatever reason, you are okay with another guy banging your wife it cannot be her ex. It can be someone you both trust and respect. But it cannot and should not be her ex.
Joke with her, "Only if his wife can join!" to see what she says. If that's not a possibility or she pushes back then say the only way you would be okay with the situation is if there was also another woman present. Period.
Just to reiterate. Your wife wants to bang her ex badly and is trying to use "spicing things up" as an excuse to justify her actions. Even if she is receptive to you not agreeing, be very aware that there is a good chance she is talking/flirting with him or has already hooked up with him behind your back. If for some reason the idea of a MMF threesome excites you, make sure it's not her ex boyfriend. Also, shit test her right back. Demand that there is another woman in the encounter or that you have a MFF threesome before hand.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks for the reply and you make some good points. The thought of he already talking to him abut this has been in my head the whole 9 days, and i can only hope it hasnt happened. The thing is, this is upsetting her that she is feeling this. Its hard to explain. And she isnt looking at it as a threesome. She is looking at it, as i stated, as a way to better our sex life. Like if i see this degrading rough sex be done to her it will sex me up and want to do this to her naturally. Also, I personally am not into the threesome thing and dont want to ask his wife or anything like that. I just want to be able to deliver what my wife wants in bed, although what we do is probably far more satisfying than most couples in the world. We do get rough and kinky. But this guy gave it to her good. Fucked her brains out, made her wear slutty gear, pulled hair, choked, and other stuff. Even made friends watch at some points, but i would never do that.
BeachBum09 8y ago
Never has a relationship therapist or sex therapist suggested that you bring in your wife's ex boyfriend to show you how to fuck her. Ever. That's like me shooting you to show you how to treat a bullet wound.
Additionally, no relationship therapist or sex therapist would ever recommend doing anything this drastic and relationship detrimental act considering your own personal views on it. To enter into this type of relationship and lifestyle both partners need to be completely comfortable, open, and already have their sex/relationship on a good level.
You can easily take control like that during sex. It isn't going to be perfect the first time and it will take learning what she likes. But that's part of the deal.
If this happens you will lose your wife and your dignity.
[deleted] 8y ago
No, I agre with you. The therapist is not to "engourage" this to happen. Its to hopefully get her mind off in and more on US and progressing OUR sex life. I am glad my wife a greed to it. And yes, like you said I can do this. She just had to come out and say it to me in teh first place instead of suggesting i watch her sex maniac ex pound her pussy till she screams. We need to work on that with oursleves.
[deleted] 8y ago
Hi everyone. Been a few days since I checked in. I wanted to update you all andlet you know, after having many quiet moments and a few talks this weekend, my wife has agreed to see a sex therapist to try and get her urge under control. She wants me to come and I sure as hell agreed. I am hoping to not only get her mind off this and anything with him, but to get OUR sex life where she/we want it. Its our only hope right now with a marriage on the line. Thanks for all youre feedback, I will keep you all updated.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
No faggoyt here. Just a guy who's wife feels he needs a lesson, the hard way unfortunately.
A_Rex 8y ago
She's looking to cuck you. Chances are, she already fucked him and now wants to do it with your blessing to erase any guilt. Start clandestinely looking for evidence.
Btw, your sex life with her is "meh" because she is t attracted to you, she's desirous of her Ex. Look at it this way, if she was just interested in an MFM to get it off her bucket list, she wouldn't have a guy in mind.
Tough break, but at least you came to the right place.
knightSwolaire 8y ago
This. If she didn't already have a Chad in mind.... Maybe slightly different story.
She's got tingles for ex alpha chad... And wants your beta bucks and blessing.
Try not to touch swords.... Oh my
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks for the reply. After talking to her the last few days, her "theory" on this is, se wants ME to give her this level of sex she desires. And according to her, the only way fro it to happen is for me to experience it. I told her "why cant we just watch a rough porn video?" She says its not the same. We do have a good sex life, but what she did with him was extreme. She wants to be degraded and rough handled. And the only ways she feels I will give her that is for me to actually sit through it with her ex, who is a mutual friend in our circle of friends. She says when I see her get fucked by this guy, I will always want her with that level of energy. My head is spinning these last few days. this was out of the blue.
BeachBum09 8y ago
Dude. This is even worse than I thought. She is going to bang her ex whether you are there or not.
postreformedpua 8y ago
Read this.
flatox 8y ago
Man the fuck up and put your foot in the ground. No fuckin way mate. You need to read the sidebar on the main subreddit. Or dont and forever live in the bliss of blindness from "love".
[deleted] 8y ago
Your wife is a manipulative piece of work. She wants to cheat and have plausible deniability because you agreed to it.
Plan and execute your getaway from this woman immediately.
Before you get away, turn the tables on her. Agree and amplify. Agree that your sex life could use some improvement and insist on bringing in a licensed female surrogate who can coach you how your wife wants to be fucked. "Honey, it'll be great. You can coach me from the sidelines while I practice on the surrogate. I'm more of a hands on than visual learner, so this will definitely work better for me."
[deleted] 8y ago
I didnt agree toit, i said no right off the bat. Also, i dont want to go tit for tat with this. Not into the extra partners thing really. I want to be able to satisfy her like this guy and i can in time if she just works with me on it. Im as horny and dirty as the next guy. But he was an extreme with her.
Big_Daddy_PDX 8y ago
Dude, tell me a lightbulb went off for you when you just wrote this?!
Zero, nope, WTF, Hell no - there is ok good to come of this. She's fucked in the head if she hunks screwing her ex in front of you is going to make you do anything besides vomit and curl up like a baby on the floor crying. Just drop her now if this is the kind of logic going through her head.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes she is messed up in the head now i know. Trying to get through this. Divorce may be the end result but i gotta try first. I never thought my biggest problem in life would be a horny wife. LOL
the-bum-hammer 8y ago
What a load of shit. She wants you to watch how he fucks her. Time to bail on this marriage. My 2¢. She either already fucked him again recently or she will, with or without you watching.
[deleted] 8y ago
The thought kills me. I hope she hasnt already.
sirfuckboysupreme 8y ago
She said this. She said that. She wants this. She wants that. So she's the one in control of your relationship and wants to be fucked by someone else while you watch? That's cute. Sure, go for it! Be her little bitch and enjoy the show while you watch her ex fuck her raw :)
Sarcasm aside: no! Shes trying to get your approval to legitimately fuck her ex who she's fantasising about. I'd grow slightly distant and spend more time around more attractive women. Make her realise you still have the potential to meet new amazing people and she'd lose the boss man that you are.
[deleted] 8y ago
I see what youre saying and it spunds like a "jealous" game. I really dont want to start any games with this. I want to get this nutjob fantasy out of her head and keep her pussy in OUR befroom.
[deleted] 8y ago
She could possibly be looking for approval, who knows right now. We hardly spoke the last two days. But I dontthink me makingher realize "i still have potential" would do anything. She wants to be fucked by this guy bad it seems. My goal is to try and see what she sees in our future, if we have one. :/
sirfuckboysupreme 8y ago
The fact she wants someone else inside, even more so her ex, should be enough of a warning light for you to consider drastic action.
If i were in your shoes I'd be protecting my assets and lawyer up. Maybe its legitimately just a thought out loud from her, but its a fucking big warning sign. There's no arguing that . Take care, sir.
Ranger_Mitch 8y ago
That's cute. I guarantee you, with 100% certainty, that seeing her get fucked by this guy will result in the total annihilation of your sex life. You will not be able to forget the images, or the feeling of utter inadequacy - not to mention your disgust with her for liking this form of sex that you cannot provide. (Because you can't just flip a switch and have rough sex. You need to mentally accept it, and then you need to practice to find the line between rough and too-rough, which can be difficult especially as the line moves depending on the time of month and other factors.)
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
I know you cant just flip the switch and do that. Just like she cant flip the switch and NOT do it. Seeing her get her brains fucked out would put an image in my head that i may bot be able to liv up to, youre right. I watch porn and as much ias i want to try that, some if it may ot be easy. They are experienced actors. I KNOW I can give her a new level of sex if she wanted, but who k now sif its exactly what she would expect.
[deleted] 8y ago
I know i wont like it, thats why i came out ans said no right off the bat. I coul do my own level of rough or whatever she wants. I just dont get the feeling she wants the learning curve. She wants the guy who already knows. :(
Ranger_Mitch 8y ago
Yup. Cut your losses and find another woman.
[deleted] 8y ago
My mind is heading in that direction unfortunately. She just doesnt seem to want to give just me/us a chance at this.
thawayred 8y ago
exactly.
mabden 8y ago
Watch some early James Deen porn.
[deleted] 8y ago
Ive seen him on "my own private time" lol
mabden 8y ago
The only other thing to suggest is tell her that instead of the ex, you want to bring in some other chick so that she can instruct you on how to dominate in the bedroom. Start looking up BDSM hookup sites.
edit abrv
[deleted] 8y ago
I see your point but i dont want that. Not going tit for tat on this. She clearly stated she wants extreme degrading sex from me, and wants me to watch her get man handled from a guy "we know" so i can see what the fuck its all about. Its insane.
play_time_is_over 8y ago
Yea dude... shes been fucking her ex behind your back.
[deleted] 8y ago
I would hate to think that, but i may be in denial at this point. :/
SoRedSuchAlpha 8y ago
Could be, but I really doubt it. She clearly desperately wants to bone her ex, but if she were a cheater a She'd probably stick to cheating and not risk everything by trying to rope her husband in. No, it's more likely she hasn't fucked her ex since she got married and now wants an honorable way to do it.
i_forget_my_userids 8y ago
This actually doesn't make sense. She just wants to.
[deleted] 8y ago
If that's the case, and she's been getting away with it for however long, why come out with this?
[deleted] 8y ago
Because she feels bad for hiding it. If it's out in the open, she's got permission to hop on any dick she finds fun. Bet you that switch in her head will always be flipped to on.
This is what we call an Alpha Widow. This is why you don't marry an Alpha Widow. Chad's okay with the idea, she's already brought it up with him. And yeah, they've been fucking while talking about it.
[deleted] 8y ago
We are pretty even in calling the shots in our marriage. I am alpha in certain ways and so is she. And i would hate to think this has been going on behind my back, now that the idea is out in the open for a "one timer" as she says. I can only imagine what i would be sitting there watching with this guy.
DiarrheaHelmet 8y ago
You aren't alpha in any way in the slightest. Dont fool yourself. Sending love
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
Send pictures of what?
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
With my luck his wife will be turned on by it and want to probably eat my wife's pussy on the next run.
beachbbqlover 8y ago
Well, best of luck, man.
prettylittledictator 8y ago
He's right. I've been married to my husband for almost two years been together longer (7 years)....I have zero desire to bring a another male into our bedroom. I see attractive men but no one compares or comes close to my husband. Never in a million years would I even suggest to bring another guy into our sex life.
It's so weird she already had someone in mind. She's been thinking about it for a long time and probably did fuck him.
I asked my husband if he could be rough with me when our sex life needed some spice... Last thing I wanted was another dude to do it. I'm sorry but she isn't into it with you cause you don't do it for her.
[deleted] 8y ago
I may have to just fess up to this. Been almost a week now, and no progress. To say I dont do it for her would just be a slap in the face to me, as our sex HAS been good for the time we have been together. We weere always satisfied. But this latest itch of hers may well be her wanting that again, and yes, her fearing me not being able to fulfill it. I just wish she would give me the chance WITHOUt watching her get her pussy destroyed in front of me.
Forcetobereckonedwit 8y ago
Thanks PLD. We need to hear the female side of TRP from time to time. Thanks for braving the waters.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes we do. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. :)
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
If her perception of him ever changed, then of course she'd go looking. And it's obvious from her post as well. No ones hiding that.
GL_HaveFun 8y ago
I really hope this guy sees your message. Can you repost it to the main just so he gets the notification? My heart goes out to this guy he just isn't seeing it. Thanks.
[deleted] 8y ago
Hi. Im the OP. I see her message here. Its shocking for me to even think she isnt into me anymore after this long. Like i said mwe DO have good sex, higher standards than most people i would assume. But what surprises me is she didnt even attempt to ask me if i wanted to experiment on this level.
dadstartingover_com 8y ago
"...after this long."
That's precisely why her lustful feelings towards you are waning. There is a "new relationship energy" we all feel. For some it can last for a few years. Then it just naturally dissipates. That's not a bad thing.. it just is. This is why you hear so many people online saying "What can I do to spice things up??" Translation: "I feel my new relationship energy going away big time and I'm scared." Scared because they know they have the desire in them... just not for their partner that's by their side every day for the rest of their lives. Freaks some people out. They're SUPPOSED to be lustful for this awesome husband/wife of theirs! No... doesn't work that way.
Time is NOT on your side when it comes to a romantic relationship.
Gotta GAME your wife. Never take your foot off the gas. Ever.
[deleted] 8y ago
I know, were all human. It happens. Theyre emotions running through us. She just needs to come to her senses and realize there is a marriage at stake here and stop thinking with her pussy on this.
DiarrheaHelmet 8y ago
You have the completely wrong attitude. You are giving her the benefit of the doubt. You are the submissive one in the marriage, I can hear it with each post. Stop making excuses for her. She doesn't want you.
You seem like a really nice guy and you need to start working on moving on. This marriage needs to end. She will leave you eventually anyways unless you are completely financially providing and she is enjoying that too much.
Bro, you really need to pull your head out of your ass. Can't believe you never even saw her hanging with an ex as a red flag. All the best man my heart goes out. Stay positive and next this bitch. Not worth fixing.
dadstartingover_com 8y ago
Don't hold your breath on that one, cowboy.
A_Rex 8y ago
Telling you. Read the sidebar stuff. It'll take you a few days, but it'll sink in.
Women want a man who just "gets it". Her ex "just got it". You don't. Also, "watch what they do, not what they say". He statements are rationalizations (what we call hamstering).
If she wanted you to fuck her like that, she'd have taken you up on your porn idea. Instead, she wants Chad to give her the treatment right in front of you. It's profoundly disrespectful and simply put the most unmasculine thing I can think of. She's essentially saying "I want you to watch a real man fuck me the way you never could".
[deleted] 8y ago
She's thinking with her pussy right now. I can only imagine what i would see if i watched this.
bowie747 8y ago
Classic Alpha Widow.
[deleted] 8y ago
I get what youre saying and it kinda makes sense. Weve had good sex all our married life. And now this comes out. You have me wondering if it HAS happened already god for bid. I should suggest sex therapy for her. I told her right out in a discussion we had last nite "I am open to doing what you want! Lets talk it out before you go on this crazy idea." She said our level of this isnt what he did, and the only way for me to experience this it to watch, in her unfortunate words "A guy who know show to fuck." I said Im not doing it. And i feel putting my foot down may make her rebel. :(
Ranger_Mitch 8y ago
Indeed it most likely will. In secret if not in the open. She has made her choice. YOU need to show her the consequences.
[deleted] 8y ago
Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't. This isn't a random thought. It's been stewing for a while.
I would suggest MRP as well. at this point, Dread is your friend.
the-bum-hammer 8y ago
Your level isn't what he did and "watch how he fucks me."
Could she be more emasculating? LOL
[deleted] 8y ago
I know. Part of me wanted to blast her for that, but she made it sound beneficial. I was caught in a "is this happening to me?" moment.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
She's telling you that it wasn't good enough and she wants you to really fuck her.
onmyownpath 8y ago
Man I am sorry you had to hear that. I was actually the other guy once.
A younger married couple - I had been flirting hard with the wife since before she was married. We just never actually hooked up.
Fast forward 4 years and I am having a big party at my house. She is in the bathroom with her husband and he runs out and gets in his car.
She had asked him if he would watch me fuck her so he would know what to do. I felt absolutely horrified when I heard about it. I had no desire to degrade him that way and would have never actually done it. They were divorced shortly after.
All I can say is that the ex-boyfriend is either already fucking her or they are flirting heavily and that has brought out her desire. Do NOT get jealous and make an accusation because that will only make things worse.
Her flirting with him is not an unforgivable sin. I mean, people flirt. He probably feels the same about her - they just had "it" - some kind of chemistry together. If you have been with many women you know some people just inspire you in different ways.
Whatever you do, do not degrade yourself with this. Do not ever beg. Do not cry or scream. Just be stoic and cool about all of it.
I don't know if you can be rough or not - but this situation should give you motivation.
She has just insulted you - next time you fuck her, take out the anger. Just fuck the hell out of her and be as bad as you want to be. Then when you are done, just fucking walk away and leave her there.
[deleted] 8y ago
At some point, there should be this critical mass. A moment where a boy's mind turns into a masculine frame. Not one of anger, but of absolution. Every man here has the ability to do it, especially if they know of this place...and yet I wonder if it will happen when I read this guys responses.
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
Wow, intersting story. And i feel bad for the guy too. In my case, its too new. too "wow, this shit happened to me?" stage. I have a generally good relationship with my wife. This is a desire of hers. Probably on ethat never left and she never got from me. Who knows when we will have se again after this "quiet fighting" the last few days. And yes, i wold take my agression out on her. :)
[deleted] 8y ago
No. No you do not. You just FEEL you do.
Smigg_e 8y ago
She loves you for the "big picture". She's bored and is looking for something crazier than what you can give her which sucks but it's the truth. Don't think because you gave her a house, a minivan, and some kids she's satisfied. She's an animal. Just like you are. She's going to get bored and honestly it's on a whole nother level of disrespect to ask you watch as she fucks someone who satisfies her. That's just absolutely rediculous and I hope you can say that statement out loud and actual realize what she's really saying. She no longer respects you in a way that you're the man that lights her flame. Fix that or say fuck it and realize it could happen to anyone. Im sorry, man. Fuck bitches get money.
Pineconerunner 8y ago
Holy shit dog, just fuck her. Find her in the kitchen or wherever escallate quickly and hit it right there on the counter top.
If she wants kinky give her kinky. Your sex life is likely vanilla and shes is craving something that gets her going a little more.
If you are unsure with yourself about if you are assertive enough to do what I just said this is likely even more true.
Fuck her hard, then go do something else. You're a busy man.
Entrefut 8y ago
Don't put your foot down, pull away. You want what her ex gave her? You can have it, no problem, you can give it to her. It's time for you to employ some dread.
You need to tell her you have to think about this one, but don't give her any more than that. Quick question, how often are you having sex with your wife currently?
[deleted] 8y ago
We have it on average about once a week. Usually at nite before bed. I did give her my "final word" in a nice way, and that is she has to get help or we are separating. Hard waling around with this in my head all day.
knightSwolaire 8y ago
Just end it and divorce her man. It's over.
Entrefut 8y ago
Good, that's a start. If you really want to fix this thing you have some serious shit you need to think about.
Is there anything that you want from sex that you don't get? Think about it. Long and hard.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes I have been thinking non stop for 3 days. And of course there are always new areas i will explore. I love sex. Any way. And i dont need some animal ex boyfriend of my wife to "show me how to fuck" like she says. If you met my wife you would never think she was like this. Its in the bedroom.
Entrefut 8y ago
Lady in the street, freak in the bed. That goes for every woman with the right man. Be the right man, or gtfo before you get yourself hurt.
spassa 8y ago
you don't need to think! you can't solve this problem by thinking. you need to get her to think about it.
she needs to think about her options. to make her options clear to her here is what you do:
tell her you don't want to see her the next time and take a hotel. don't tell her how long you will leave, just that you need distance by now. even the hint of her letting herself get fucked while you are watching is so disrespectful that you need a break from her. show her how it is if she loses you as a partner, as someone that cares about her and gives her attention and validation. let her decide how important that sex is compared to the marriage with you. do it now, don't wait until after you discover she fucked him behind your back. don't ever argue with her about that point again, there is nothing to argue about. you are hurt, you leave. take a hotel and let her stew a week. observe how she reacts. does she apologize? is she angry at you? will she stop messaging after 2 days?
there are two things that will happen now: either she realizes very fast that she did a huge mistake and apologizes profusely and asap. the other possibility is, that she is already over you and will fuck your friend behind your back. she will argue to herself that you made her do it by leaving. if you will ever find out about it, she will tell you the same. as soon as she realizes that her friend wont commit and she starts to miss the daily validation of her husband she will come back and apologize profusely, but this time she doesn't deserve forgiveness.
xavine 8y ago
You might not want to hear this, but you need to and it's the sheer truth: your wife has no respect for you. Judging by your comments and replies, you're not strong enough to do the right thing and in that sense I both understand and feel sorry for you. This is unavoidable.
How would you feel if you have an ex that gave the best blowjobs of all time. You want to re-connect with that ex. Your wife says why not just show her a good, ol' Heather Brooke video? You say no. Wife says ok, you need to do sex therapy until you are cured of your desire. Would you be excited to fix your relationship? Would you want that blowjob any less? Probably not.
The fact that she even suggested it is all the evidence you need. Committed women don't just want "a sex act", they want that sex act from/with you. The fact that she wants to bring in a "real man" to show you how it's done is the ultimate act of emasculation. You might as well have a slit between your legs. Sorry, man.
[deleted] 8y ago
I have to admit, i did really drain my ego big time when she asked, especially after the sex life we have had. We do have good sex and our own "level" of kink. I just hope if we get through this, our sex (and marriage) is still somewhat stable and grows better.
magicalSITAR 8y ago
I'm going to chime in here, if you'd like a woman's perspective.
She doesn't respect you.
No woman who has respect for her man would have him witness another man violate their marriage the way she is suggesting. She thinks so little of you that she is not making the effort to cheat. That's assuming she hasn't already.
If you still think she's being reasonable, think of it this way. Let's say you're walking down the sidewalk and you see The Car. Perfectly restored, shining in the sun...maybe it's that old Firebird you had in high school or a 1988 1/2 Ferrari Testerossa sitting right in front of you. Pristine and shining in and out. You want that car. You want to get in it right now and push the pedal to the floor and get sucked into the creamy bucket seats while the wind blows through your hair. You smile to yourself, thinking about how amazing that would be as a glint of sunlight dances along the fender. That's how she feels when she sees her ex.
At this point, there are two choices. Do you continue on your way chuckling about how much hell you'd have raised if you had that machine back in your college years? Or do you walk over with a brick and screwdriver and try to steal it?
Most people fantasize. It's normal to do. But a woman who respects and loves you will continue on, being smart enough to realize that what she wants is not worth jeopardizing what she has.
Your wife is asking you to throw the brick as she stands there, screwdriver in hand.
[deleted] 8y ago
I see your point with the car analogy. Good one. I'm hoping she gets this out of her head or some resolution to do so very soon. Aft reading posts n here about it possibly going on already it does scare me. I gave her my anger of no, now the ball is in her court.
magicalSITAR 8y ago
Thank you, I'm glad it helped.
I'm afraid I'd have to agree with the consensus; while I'm not a fan of divorce I've seen what it's done to men so it might benefit you to find a lawyer...just in case.
Respect yourself, otherwise she can't respect you. Best of luck.
someboringdude 8y ago
Shes been fucking him. She just wants your permission. GROSS. next that whore.
[deleted] 8y ago
I really hope thats not the case. She really wants this next level sex from me. i am good in bed, but this is an extreme level I have never done, but am willing. Why do i have to wwatch it?
Solidgame 8y ago
Read The Sex God Method for a start and give her the rough sex she is craving for
Blaat1985 8y ago
She only wants Chads to do that to her, not her beta husband.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
Best reply in this thread.
[deleted] 8y ago
I will check it out and possibly mention it to her if she gets over this hangup.
Entrefut 8y ago
Stop mentioning things to her. She feels too comfortable with you. Your sex life is stale because she knows what comes next. Right now is a good time for privacy on your end, because hell there might be all kind of shit you don't know about her if this came out of left field.
knightSwolaire 8y ago
Dude. She's not getting over it. You are such a pussy. Probably why she wants her ex.
AlphaPhD 8y ago
Came here to direct you to read this book (in addition to Married Man Sex Life Primer). She doesn't see you as alpha enough. One of the four pillars of sex from the Sex God Method is dominance.
First comment, don't mention anything to her. She doesn't want to read, she wants railed, hard.
Second comment, she will never, I repeat NEVER, get over this 'hangup'. Women want to be submissive to their alpha husband, but the moment you lose your dominance, she will seek it elsewhere if you cannot retain it. This is simply how women are wired.
I almost hope this is a troll post, but if it isn't please keep reading through the side bar, and for the love of god do not even entertain this idea.
[deleted] 8y ago
Some very strong good advice here. I always knew of the alpha male role importance, and felt I played it pretty good. I don't know if this is how she has always been or did she become like this with him? We've had good sex for eight years, all of a sudden it's not enough?
maxofreddit 8y ago
You've had 'good sex.'
She wants to get FUCKED. I've made other comments. but this is the vid that I eventually got my wife to "find" that gave me some pointers. (I had some fuckin work to do to become more dominant...it's on like fuckin' donkey kong now)
VERY NSFW LINK 1
There was another one (can't find it, sorry) where the girl got interviewed after, and was saying how she loved the fact that she lost all sensation of the the outside world. The aggressive sex actually calmed her down (read shut her fucking hamster up). Intriguing and eye opening.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
Its in my head. Believe me. Still in a fog.
Mentioned_Videos 8y ago
Videos in this thread: Watch Playlist ▶
Episode 1: The reddit cuck discovers /pol/|23 - Looks like we got another Reddit Cuck on our hands boys. What surprises me isn't the whole situation. What is surprising is how casually she asked to get strangedicked and how casually the man starts considering it. Like what if I was at OP's house ... Iron Maiden - Run To The Hills (Official Video)|5 - Sing the song (the chorus) to yourself... Starts at 1:09. Pantera - A new level|1 - A new level? Hardcore, man. (Sorry.) Yeah, don't do it. A woman's idea is almost always a bad idea. Very bad. I'm a bot working hard to help Redditors find related videos to watch.
Play All | Info | Get it on Chrome / Firefox
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks i will check them out.
clint_bronson 8y ago
Do you know what self respect is? If you do, do you think you have any? I am appalled at the thought that you have not left your wife and divorced her after she told you that she WANTS to CHEAT on you, and to add insult to injury she wants you to watch!!
Think about it, because i don't think you have. And keep us updated, though i wouldn't be surprised if we never heard from you ever again.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks for the reply. I just put up a new post seconds ago addressing this. She says it snot cheating because she asked me first to consent to it.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
I am just HOPING theres no evidence. We have rough sex at times, but this guy was on an extreme level. All she needs to do is talk to me. I dont need to see her pussy get destroyed while she screams in half pleasure half pan and get slapped around.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
Yeah that route could be bad. I suggested watching the rough porn and acting out. Probably how the rest of he world learns.
[deleted] 8y ago
Tell her bringing someone in the bedroom is a wonderful idea and you know just the younger more beautiful girls to ask, thank her and tell her it had been on your mind as well that fucking someone younger would get you off a lot faster instead of the same old
[deleted] 8y ago
I dont want the threesome or anything at all. I want just better for us to satisfy her. Im contenet, but always looking for more.
[deleted] 8y ago
This has to be a troll post, how are you going to feel when she is fucking the new guy all the time and not you at all, and then she realises she doesnt need you , want you or respect you anymore?
[deleted] 8y ago
Im not. Because i told her outright its not happening. She gets over it or were done.
nightmancommeth 8y ago
Can someone provide the link to the story where the guy allowed himself to get cucked in the same situation and now hates his wife with a passion.
If you are not into cuck dont do it!
[deleted] 8y ago
No cuck here. I told her no straight out.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
Ive been watching porn for 30 years. One of lifes few real enjoyments lol. The only once is like i said, She wants OUR sex to be like what i am gonna see him do to her. Treat her like a piece of shit and fuck her senseless.
knightSwolaire 8y ago
OP you are such a pussy little boy. It's obvious from your responses. And it's the reason your wife wants to fuck another man.
Redeem yourself and end this
[deleted] 8y ago
Theres a marriage at stake here that was thrown a curve ball a few days ago. Shaken up big time. Im no pussy at all. I told her no and to get help or were done.
anotherswingingdick 8y ago
no, it died a few days ago.
if that was true, you'd be too busy with your lawyer to even talk to us.
We think you're a weak, piece of shit liar. You're lying to us. You don't have the balls to walk away from this cheating whore.
knightSwolaire 8y ago
And that's the wrong answer. Does gay conversion therapy work? No. Do you think a therapist will cure your wife?
You came to TRP and we are telling you it's over.
Maybe try /r/relationships/
[deleted] 8y ago
Maybe it is and maybe youre right. But after just 3 days of upsetting talks, im not drawing conclusiions yet.
knightSwolaire 8y ago
There is nothing more for me to say that hasn't already been said here 100 times. I'm sorry this happened to you.
[deleted] 8y ago
Ive gained a lot of helpful infor. thanks to you and everyone, I spoke my peace to her, its in her hands.
BlindNowhereMan 8y ago
You are are a troll and a lier... you have posted this same exact question, multiple times on multiple subs.. OVER THE PAST 2 WEEK... AND EACH ONE STARTS WITH "This Morning"
burn in hell
[deleted] 8y ago
Not sure what youre talking about. this is my first post. Go grab your smartphone and fins some pokemon or something.
BlindNowhereMan 8y ago
You are idiot, learn how to use reddit. you history is public info. u/goodfella44
[deleted] 8y ago
My first time on here. I admitted that. This post was someplace else and a poster told me to come here.
cozgw 8y ago
OP please listen to the advice people are giving you. It is over. Be a man and get rid of her. Also you said her ex she wants to fuck is married? You should let his wife know. Go nuclear brah! Maybe try and fuck his wife?
[deleted] 8y ago
Great advice here and yes he is married. Who knows if she will even know or what he planned on doing. Not my problem.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
LOL thanks for believing in me. I dont want any of this you fuck my wife i fuck yours. I want this crazy whorish idea out of her head and i want her to enjoy ME tearing up her pussy.
murraay_ 8y ago
Rape her. No joke.
[deleted] 8y ago
Haha! With the anger inside me these last 3 days I probably could outfuck him.
fuck_porn_ 8y ago
sorry man, its over
[deleted] 8y ago
I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
fuck_porn_ 8y ago
Yeah, her ex bf will help her out thats for sure.
Stop being a cuck and divorce her, she wants ROUGH PRIMAL SEX, not counseling.
[deleted] 8y ago
I get that, but she took marriage vows. I can satisfy this urge, but she neeeds to be open with me about it. Im as horny as the next guy i will do it. I could just imaging what the details of this fuck would look like.
fuck_porn_ 8y ago
You think she gives a fuck about marriage vows when shes wet for someone elses cock man?
[deleted] 8y ago
You got a point there, of course i thought of that myself. But she upset over it in an i dont want my marriage to end sense.
fuck_porn_ 8y ago
Have you snooped through her phone and internet history yet?
I hope you're taking these comments posted to heart
[deleted] 8y ago
No i havnt gone thatfar yet.
Forcetobereckonedwit 8y ago
You have been cucked. I guarantee it. I am quite experienced in the "wilder" sexploits. If a girlfriend wants to experience her (ubiquitous) fantasy of two cocks, she would want it to be a complete stranger...as in you guys go on vacation somewhere and seduce a stranger, etc. Your relationship is no longer monogamous, sorry.
[deleted] 8y ago
A stranger i would consider, but not an ex, who we run into sometimes, who destroyed her pussy 7 days a week, and made her walk around in public with no panties underneath in case he got the urge to fuck her. I cant face a guy like that.
Forcetobereckonedwit 8y ago
No you can't and shouldn't.
[deleted] 8y ago
All the advice I would give you does not apply, because you are married. Any nuclear level dread game you would need to run, in order to salvage this burning shit heap, would only help her in court. Please contact a lawyer, and work towards protecting your assets. Do you have children with her.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes we have two daughters. 5 and 7.
[deleted] 8y ago
Go for joint custody. I'm sorry this is happening to you.
nummas 8y ago
Yeah well the crew here has spoken and are pretty much in agreement. How about you counter offer and arrange so both of you can watch her ex fuck another woman. Thats just as educational in my eyes and she won't be fucking him in front of you and you will get a good idea how she wants it. If she is happy to do that then it's something, if she doesn't like that idea then it just backs up what everyone else here is saying how she wants to fuck her ex, if she isn't already. Let us know what she says.
[deleted] 8y ago
I will, thanks. The crew has been great.
seattleron 8y ago
Bro.
You're up for another man's dick being inside your wife?
I hope this can be nixed and your marriage can be saved. Not trying to be a dick, but she does not love you like you think she does.
[deleted] 8y ago
No not at all in my head. But if a threesome is what she desires, and not specifically her ex boyfriend fucking her btains out in front of me, i may have considered it under certain circumstances. But nowhere near on my list of first choice. I fuck my wifes pussy, nobody else in my mind.
seattleron 8y ago
The only 3some you should have considered was one with another female.
[deleted] 8y ago
Im not considering any 3some. She did. And with just him for one reason. "Watch how he fucks me, i want it like this"
seattleron 8y ago
She just wants to fuck him without the guilt, and without you leaving her. That's it.
[deleted] 8y ago
Who knows at this point. Gotta get to the bottom of t his.
seattleron 8y ago
I sincerely hope it works out for you/
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks buddy. I love her and understand the itch. It hurts.
[deleted] 8y ago
[--removed--]
[deleted] 8y ago
You've got to cool it now...
Alright Tyrone here are some of the ground rules...
[deleted] 8y ago
Im no cuck bro, I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
Askada 8y ago
What surprises me even more that he still seems to be in denial that she's fucking her ex.
[deleted] 8y ago
Im not really in denial. My head is more "this shit realy happened to me!?" Mode. I may have to just accept already what may have happened. Youre right.
[deleted] 8y ago
Im not in denial of anything. Its only beenthree days. She mentioned it, i said no, and its been upsetting talk for three days. Have i outruled it as a possibilty? Of course not! But theres no hard evidence of anything at the moment.
SoRedSuchAlpha 8y ago
If she were fucking her ex, why would she attract suspicion by talk k Nguyen about it.
progggrammerr99 8y ago
Yeah nguyen
[deleted] 8y ago
Because she wants to "show me" how she wants to be fucked at the level he did. She wants that from me. His rough degrading style made her wake up with a sore swollen pussy every morning. Thats why.
[deleted] 8y ago
his tone just shows you how fucked the average western male is.
Feel sorry for him, he's so far from even understanding that his marriage is over, I wouldn't know where to begin. The correct advice in this case might even be; "agree to it, watch in horror, let that be rock bottom, get divorced, start over whilst using TRP as a guide"
[deleted] 8y ago
The though kills me.
[deleted] 8y ago
At a certain point your soul is going to get crushed through this, and it will feel like death, once that happens, your re-birth will start.
Just be greatful you have this great source of information to help rebuild yourself.
Truely I wish you all the best, Luke
jackandjill22 8y ago
Real.
[deleted] 8y ago
Cute video. But I ain't no cuck bro. Not here.
Mildly_Sociopathic 8y ago
marianasentmenudes 8y ago
You actually considered it. Lol wtf
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes, he is.
[deleted] 8y ago
That all depends on your next steps
[deleted] 8y ago
She's trying to make you one, bro.
[deleted] 8y ago
I think if that was the case she would have suggested it, and want it regularly, not one time, no?
RedOkra 8y ago
That'll be her next request.
NADER_THE_GATOR 8y ago
"That was so fun let's do it again"
"Why are you reluctant we already done it once!" (Replace that once with twice, three times, etc. And you got yourself the path to becoming a real cuck)
Whisper Moderator 8y ago
No you don't. Happy women don't ask their husband's blessing to cheat.
Bedroom regularly goes dead.
You enjoy it when she throws you a bone. She pretends to be satisfied to keep you happy. And docile.
Physically, maybe. But you no longer give her tingles.
Lol.
Weakling.
Don't make your wife happy by letting her fuck Chad Thundercock. Make her happy by being Chad Thundercock, and fucking her.
Let me guess, she sold that as the reason she already had the guy picked out.
Hahahahahahahhahahhahhahhh you're a troll, aren't you? This can't be real. No one is this stupid.
She is an alpha widow. You are nothing but the consolation prize.
Women save the roughest, kinkiest, most degrading sex of their lives for the man they love the most. Female sexual depravity is the most accurate barometer of female love and desire.
You know this already. You wouldn't be asking the question this way if you didn't already know this was the answer.
You already knew what we were going to say. You are just too cowardly to face the fact that you were never your wife's first choice.
[deleted] 8y ago
No coward here at all. Read the post again, SHE said all this to ME as suggestions and i said absolutely not. i POSSIBLY agreed to another guy if he was a stranger. There are couples that enjoy threesomes, but not one time pussy poundings from ex lovers.
stickfiguresk 8y ago
Women don't work like that. She's trying to better HER sex life. She's projecting, at very much your expense.
Here at TRP, we don't take suggestions like that lightly. The woman is broken, a bad apple. There's a lot of bad apples, as our society, like the article your wife pointed out, encourages this behavior, which wouldn't happen to a stronger patriarch. I'm sorry to say this, but the damage has already been done. You'll hopefully be seperated in 6 months. Don't consent to her fucking another man. At least leave the relationship with your dignity.
Original_Dankster 8y ago
Absolutely. She's not offering you let to fuck other women in front of her, now is she?
AND DON'T THINK YOU CAN FUCK OTHER WOMEN AND IT WOULD BE "FAIR" FOR HER TO FUCK OTHE MEN. It doesn't work like that.
Men reward women with exclusive protection and provisioning, women reward men with exclusive sex. Do you think she'd be ok if you took a four star vacation with that girl from work and started paying her living expenses? Of course not.
[deleted] 8y ago
You're right on that point. It's been in my head. I don't want another woman to throw in her face. I want to be able to satisfy her on a level she wants. That's all.
[deleted] 8y ago
You're right on that point. It's been in my head. I don't want another woman to throw in her face. I want to be able to satisfy her on a level she wants. That's all.
[deleted] 8y ago
Its just so hard to absorb all this the last few days. i want to satisfy her at this level, but have not even been given the chance! thats whats fucked up! And she says only one time with this guy and thats it to "teach me"? I told her no and she has been upset because she doesnt want the divorce obviously. But i cant watch my wifes pussy get torn up. I just cant. Especially by a mutual friend/ex.
[deleted] 8y ago
Flip the script. She should want to satisfy you, on the level you decide. You aren't a plow horse, you're a man.
If you do nothing else in this post, go read 'the manipulated man'. It's on the sidebar, and if it doesn't get across what people are trying to tell you, then I don't know what will.
You've been fed a lie your whole life. You've been told to undervalue your worth, and she is cashing in. Not a bad person, she was fed the same lies.
Lucky for you, you have a chance to fix you. Not the relationship, not her, fix you.
Question is, are you willing to see what man can be, and live by this? I guarantee, whatever path you decide to take will put you better off.
maxofreddit 8y ago
You need to see your wife pussy get torn up by YOU....she wants a torn up pussy, and she wants you to "just know" how to do it.
You need to not talk to her...you're done talking. start FUCKING.
GL_HaveFun 8y ago
Dood...the fact that you say "have not been GIVEN the chance to!" tells me that you literally are not able to do what you THINK you can to satisfy her.
[deleted] 8y ago
I do what i do in bed. im a horny guy just like them all out there. Everybody does their thing, and i do get kinky. At this guys level? No, and she never even mentiond it.
GL_HaveFun 8y ago
OK, I apologize for my post. It comes off too strong. You have to understand I have your best interest at heart. The thing I was getting to was what someone else mentioned. About letting go. Like you mentioned he tied her up. That it never crossed your mind in 8 years blows me away. That you keep saying she has to give permission or never mentioned it. You keep giving HER the power. You give HER the frame in this relationship and THAT IS THE OPPOSITE of what she wants. She wants at her CORE for YOU to guide everything in this relationship and dominant sex is one of those things.
Being in control, dominant, doesn't RELY on her to give the cues. Obviousy she has input, that's not what I'm saying, but that you had no idea tells me that you never expressed it or showed it to begin with. That means it wasn't inside you to begin with. That means that you are taking all your queues from pleasing her when HER pleasure comes from pleasing YOU. When I told my ex that before I got sick, I used to be able to have an orgasm without cumming she was dumbfounded because to her, the point of sex, was to get the guy off. Sex was literally for the man. And that meant the man did what he wanted to her and she LOVED it. Obviously boundaries and limits, don't be a dick her this is a human being we're talking about that you love.
You are trying to please HER, and that's ok sometimes but she wants you to do what YOU want. To be desired INNATELY. If you want to tie her up and treat her like a sex doll because she has everything you want, then do it and she'll love being able to be desired and wanted that much. Get it?
Good luck man. Really. I hope she hasn't slept with him already but that she's thinkin about it so much...it feels unavoidable at this point.
[deleted] 8y ago
Great post, you covered a lot of bases here. I appreciate it. We all have desires that need to be met at levels of our satisfaction. I never did tie her up but have done other kinky stiff. This guy just was an extreme and it made an impression in her head. Our sex is very good though, she does orgasm. You just get into a routien over time and tahts it i guess. When things cool off if they end good i wil take your advice on some stuff. :)
the_red_monk 8y ago
Guys, we got a live one. He's unplugging. OP, I hope you take all of this to heart. This is the only place you're going to get real actionable advice without all the hand-holding bullshit.
The good news is the action plan is all right here in black and white, and has worked for countless others.
[deleted] 8y ago
All you guys have been very helpful and informative. Ive heard angles on this i never thought of. Its only been 3 days, let me see how the weekend goes. She knows its no.
the_red_monk 8y ago
Really glad to see you feel that way. Often guys who aren't ready to "swallow the pill" refuse to listen. Good luck. We're all here for you.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks buddy.
stickfiguresk 8y ago
I'd suggest taking a day to be by yourself and thinking long and hard what you want for YOU, since clearly nobody is taking that into consideration. I STRONGLY suggest you read No More Mr. Nice Guy, preferably starting right now--you can download it from Amazon, it may even be an audiobook too--I haven't checked.
Good luck, man. Come back to us if you want any other bro opinions. We have your back, but only you can save yourself.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks a lot. Really. I feel welcome. This is hard. :)
Forcetobereckonedwit 8y ago
It's worse than hard brother. It's an emotional nightmare. Please, for your own sanity, believe us all here. We are trying to save you from experiences WE HAVE ALL HAD.
You need to tell her you're considering it. Tell her you responded quickly out of jealousy and that now you're thinking about it. "It might be sexy!" Meanwhile...get to that lawyer STAT, and separate your money, compile any evidence, and cash out in any way you can because the divorce is coming. Play along for a bit so you can catch her lies and so she doesn't make things worse before you can protect yourself.
Sheesh...lessons learned? I hope so.
Do not get married.
AWALT
SoRedSuchAlpha 8y ago
Which experiences are you talking about? Are there really any that we've all had?
Glennus626 8y ago
Victim puking on the red pill is like a bar owner going on to the show bar rescue with John taffer. His style is to tear you down and bring your ego and or your delusions out into the light for scrutiny. It sounds harsh, but people are in the messes they are in because of the lies they tell themselves (we really do have a great marriage/sex life/other than this she does respect me). If you read the sidebar, you will start to see how trp theory is logical and just makes sense.
Good luck, man.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks buddy, i will check out the side bar. I just put a new post up addressing comments from people.
nightmancommeth 8y ago
Cross post to married red pill but i have feeling you will get the same advice. The guys there are a bit more understanding but this situation I feel that you are already getting the right advice here.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
I hate to think of my wife as a whore. After all this time. Geez. But if she doesnt come to her senses I have to face up to leaving.
BeachBum09 8y ago
Start checking her texts/calls/emails pronto. Odds are she is already banging him.
Stron23 8y ago
If she doesn't get it from her ex, she'll most likely chase it somewhere else behind your back. It's a lose lose situation
maxofreddit 8y ago
She is.
Now it's up to you to decide if she's going to be YOUR whore, or someone else's.
Most want to be a whore, they just want to be a whore for YOU.
[deleted] 8y ago
I give her good sex. Always satisfied. I am good. Butthis was extreme. I just never went as far as omeof the things she mentioned to me the other day that she wants.
knightSwolaire 8y ago
Hey dude you really need to go to the main TRp sub and read the entire side bar. It's ok we've all been at the early stage of where you are now but go do your homework immediately
[deleted] 8y ago
I will, thanks. Lots of people told me to.
dr_warlock 8y ago
She may deny her urge and remain faithful, but she'll resent you for it.
-
Start covertly planning for divorce. Get lawyers and money in order without ever teling her what's going on. Make sure to make your play first. Trust me, lawyers tell women the exact same thing.
[deleted] 8y ago
She shouldnt resent me over an urge. We took vows. I can deliver what she wants if she just opens up/
dr_warlock 8y ago
You cant contract feelings. That's beta bluepill thinking.
stickfiguresk 8y ago
You're putting your well being in her hands, after you let her put you in this spot in the first place. Take the initiative--or she'll drive you further into the ground.
Get the book, No More Mr. Nice Guy. You need it, desperately. If you don't put yourself first, nobody will. Women can't say that--you're living proof.
[deleted] 8y ago
I'll check out the book. I wouldn't say I really let her put me in this position, it came out of left field. I told her it's no,and that's it. She goes to sex therapy or something or we separate.
seattleron 8y ago
Go read the book today. Sit down and finish it in one sitting, it will start to set your mind straight. I know your world is spinning right now, but your wife is not who you think she is.
BusterVadge 8y ago
Make sure that the sex therapist isn't a liberal whackjob. I guaran-fucking-tee you that if it's a feminist whackjob, she'll tell your wife that it's ok to do this and you're a jerk for suggesting otherwise.
SoRedSuchAlpha 8y ago
I know a ton of liberals, feminists, and therapists. That's not how they talk. They'll say that it's okay for her to want it, but that it's okay for him to object.
[deleted] 8y ago
Liberal, feminist therapist here. Thank you! Every person is different. Every therapist is too. If you find a shitty one PLEASE go get another one! Don't stay with a bad therapist!!!!!
huntersam13 8y ago
It can and will happen to the strongest patriarch... There is always someone stronger out there
the-bum-hammer 8y ago
The amount of denial from OP is making the entire earth's testosterone drop.
ecosci 8y ago
She is already fucking other men and actually wants you to leave her what big balls she has telling you that shit dont be a fool man shes bored and whats to humiliate you infront of another guy i just cant believe ya find another respectful lady i always say they do crazy shit for alpha dick your wife included she cant wait until you divorce her azz, hard next,um 2 beers please.
Archwinger 8y ago
Ever notice how any time a woman asks to open a relationship or introduce a third, she already knows who she wants to fuck?
That's all you need to know.
Trust me. She hasn't just picked him out. She's already talked to him, flirted, set things up, and knows the answer is yes on his end. She's been doing that behind your back. She may have already cheated. She's gong to if you say no, or just leave you for denying her this essential experience/fantasy.
[deleted] 8y ago
It could very well be possible. Especially since they were together before us and she knows what hes capable of. The though of it kills me though.
jb_trp 8y ago
You're right. They always have a man in mind.
I matched with a married woman on Tinder and have been hooking up with her the last couple weeks. She's in an open relationship with her husband. When I asked her how that came about, she told me: She had been cheating on her husband and he found out (or she told him? I forget). They have two children, really good kids, and I don't think he wanted to divorce her.
He ended up getting a 22 year old girlfriend and his wife became really insecure. Nuclear dread. She told me she's seeing a counselor over it. She also fucks him just about every day it seems. Big surprise.
Last night I went over and she told me her husband was on a date with a new 24 year old girl, and that his 22 year old girlfriend is freaking out. His wife was pretty giddy.
People are weird. I guess demoting your wife to a plate (if you have kids with her) is one option. It's not what I would want though.
[deleted] 8y ago
Wow, at least hes still got it. lol
jb_trp 8y ago
Unless you have kids and want to avoid divorce because of them, this is not desirable. You really want some guy off Tinder barebacking your wife while you're out doing whatever and her licking up his cum when he finishes? Because that's your future. I've lived it. I've been the other guy.
BusterVadge 8y ago
As others have mentioned, READ THE SIDEBAR! You'll understand why your wife is doing that (Alpha fucks/Beta Bucks dynamic). Once you go down this path, she's going to want to do even more and use the fact that you said yes to this guy as leverage.
She wants your stability, and not your cock. I would consider divorce if I were you, as she already has, or is thinking about cheating on you
[deleted] 8y ago
Shes had stability our whole marriage. I just dont know where this came out of left field. We have really good sex, she just wants extreme.
Elfclan30 8y ago
go to the main sub and read the sidebar, sadly you are done...why not another woman to the bed? he...and it is clear like water why she is suggesting her ex...
whoever sent you to this place loves you more than your wife.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks buddy. I will check it out. And i dont want another person just to get even. I want to satisfy my wife.\ hthe way she wants. Shes a very sexy woman.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
LOL thanks. Everyone on this thread has been great. Some good advice during a tough time.
bidric 8y ago
The moment she suggested you should've been mentally divorced already.
The fact that you're even considering it makes you convey sooooo much weakness.
[deleted] 8y ago
Im not considering at all. I said no right out of the gate. But after 12 years of good marriage to hear this on a whim on some sunny afternoon, its no easy to just have the word divorce be the next thing out of your mouth. She has a problem. SHe is upset over it. And the fact that i put my foot down and said no.
Apanthropos 8y ago
If you are really considering this, tell her that you would also like to try a threesome with a FMF dynamic.
Find a hot 18 yearold to spice up your sex life. If she agrees and actually goes through with it, then you are obviously not a cuck.
[deleted] 8y ago
I dont want to go in this direction at al. I want to be the guy who fucks her till she cant walk if she wants. She has to communicate better with me. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
Kosnagoo 8y ago
It's not your fault, and yet it is. Welcome to red pill.
[deleted] 8y ago
Shit happens, i get it. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
If she wants a threesome, fine. I am open to it POSSIBLY with a stranger. Here today, gone tomorrow. But not with a guy in our circle of friend who fucked her brains out and verbally degraded her for two years.
returnofthemackX 8y ago
The thing is, she doesn't want a threesome. She wants to fuck him and only him, under the disguise of a 'threesome' where you watch in the corner how he fucks her
Original_Dankster 8y ago
A threesome? I'd only agree if a hot young female is the third partner. No other dicks.
I'd be curious how she would react to a proposal like that...
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes of curse, and i want to if thats what she wants. im a sexual guy, open to anything. But from what ive heard from her and her friends when we first met, This guy really gave it to her good. She wants to be tied up, talked down to, the 8 inch heels, and pounded hard. I can do that, she just has to tell me. I never knew. Sorry to be detailed, but it plays into the whole picture of whats in her head more.
Entrefut 8y ago
SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TELL YOU, YOU SHOULD WANT HER THAT BADLY. I get it, it doesnt come naturally to some guys, but you need to learn to bring her into rough sex. You should have been building this up for your entire marriage. Each sexual encounter you should have been pushing it until she literally tells you it's too much, then all you have to do is laugh it off and say okay and go back to being comforting. You're the man, FUCK HER.
[deleted] 8y ago
Weve been having "great" sex for our whole marriage. Better than probably most couples around us. Im a fix sexual guy and she is satisfied after sex. She orgasms, etc. But i thing she just hit a wall and lately wants that extreme, degrading, fuck me like im a worthless piece of shit sex. I can do that, i tell her! I see it in porn movies. She said if i watch what he does to her, start to finish, it will become an enraged sex animal and look at her like he did. This has got my mind and my marriage in a whirlwind the last 3 days.
jaydent1 8y ago
No you haven't.
"great sex" is relative. Judging by what she has asked of you, she's explicitly telling you that she isn't satisfied and has no respect for you. Either divorce her, or walk in and fuck her like a dog (and don't consult her beforehand about how she likes it/what to do ect. Just do it). That's the only reason you'll get that respect back/satisfy her. But even then, it might be too late in your case OP. I'm convinced she's already cheated.
Entrefut 8y ago
Why should you have to watch another man fuck your wife to get you to push boundaries? Who was the one to first initiate sex when you two first met? It better have been you. Who was the first one to start a light choking? Don't tell me she grabbed your hands and put them around her kneck. Did she tell you to spank her, or did you try that without asking? Did you grab her panties and tie them around her wrists, or did she do that for you? What about putting them in her mouth? Do you see what I'm getting at, if you asked each and every step of the way, she would have gotten bored. You guys got comfortable, had good sex, but has she ever told you to stop? Don't go so hard next time?
Best case scenario, you step up and fuck her better than her ex did. Guess what the only way you can learn to do that without her permission is? An escort. Your wife wants you to fuck her better than her ex did. You need to make that happen, or you need to gtfo. Youve now found out that you, even after all this time, are not the beat partner she has had. On the flip side, she knows she's the best you have had, at least as far as she knows/ feels.
You've really got two options, learn to be an animal in any other way than watching your wife get fucked by another man. Or realize this isn't what you want out of a relationship and gtfo. All this trauma you feel, is that what you wanted out of marriage? Fuck no.
And you really do need to seriously consider that your wife has been seeing her ex on the side. Keep it on the low, but prepare an exit strategy. You need to think about you right now and what you want out of all this. Would it bring you joy to fuck your wife like an animal? Is that what you want, is that what she makes you feel?
My advicd to be the fuck she is looking for. Try staying off the porn, see how that makes you feel. Abstain from sex for a couple weeks, work your ass off at the gym, feed the animal. Let your hormones go crazy. Believe nothing feels better than sex after abstaining from all sexual activities for seveal weeks, even months. That mears no porn, no masterbating, nothing. Use this time to gain a bearing on what's going on in your life right now, but also take note of how much more you will want to have sex. It might even push you to do some things you'd never thought you'd try before.
[deleted] 8y ago
This is one of the best relies ive read so far, because i have done his at times. The abstaining, not masturbating, etc. It does build up the drive to uncontrollable levels. I work out too so i know hat that does. She just need sto give me the chance, doesnt seem to want to let me learn and grow into it for some reason. She thinks by me watching it one time it will change me overnite.
Entrefut 8y ago
Here's the thing. She's set on it, she wants it and won't stop wanting it until she gets it. From you or behind your back. You don't have time to grow, you need to fly full force into it. The only way I could ever see that done is via an escort who'd let you get it right on her.
Do you think princes learned to fuck with their princess? Fuck no, they learned through the concubines their fathers hired for them to learn sex. They hired the most sexually insane women to teach their sons how to hold any women, not matter how much of a freak. You're finding out the worst way that what you've been doing up to this point hasn't been enough. You don't have the tools, because you didn't fuck crazier earlier on. She doesn't want to watch you get the tools and learn to use them, she wants you to have them and already know how to use them. Was there never a girl you fucked harder than your wife? So crazy tatted up chick from a Maiden concert who wanted you to get coked out with her and fuck her like a mad man?
This might not be something your wife wants all the time. She just wants to know you can do it. This is literally her last resort before getting side dick if she hasn't already.
What has kept her with you all this time then? Fuck of I know. It could he money, you could be better looking, more intelligent, a better prospect for a father, all sorts of things, but that's all for you to figure out while you're considering divorce as the worst case scenario. You could litreally have everything better than this guy, except this one thing. Be honest with yourself, is that the case? Are you more successful, more intelligent, better looking, in better shape? Is the only thing you're missing really this sexual prowess?
If it is, does she deserve this anymore? To put a guy who's got everything better except one thing through this whole scenario is a serious lack of respect. There were 1000 ways for her to do this better, but she's a woman and some times women suck at communication, maybe it's why so many go to college for it, who knows. All I know is that your wife wants some thing you dont have and she's already gone and found it somewhere else. Has she been thinking of how badly she wanted him to be fucking her all this time? Has she been fucking him all this time? Why is how good he was at fucking her so fresh on her mind? How does she remember after all this time?
The more I think about it, the worse it is for you. Why would she ask him and get the consent from him before you? What kind of fucked up person goes to an ex before her spouse? If she wasn't already fucking him, she would have asked you about it before she asked him. Get the text messages, check the email, find the second phone, get the lawyer in case you need to bail out. But until then, get the tools you need so this shit never has to happen again, you're either the best sex your wife has ever had, or you aren't. It's plain and simple. If things go south, don't let the next girl have some guy who fucked her better than you.
[deleted] 8y ago
Hmm... I don't know man.
Why is this in the context of you measuring up to some other dude?
Seems like something you shouldn't live with.
mabden 8y ago
It will change you alright. You will see her being the dirty little slut she wants to be, the way she was with her ex, the way he treated her, and how she fucking enjoyed being used and abused.
You will never she her the same way ever again.
sihitu123 8y ago
Man, feels like we havent had this kinda thread for a while, it's so, how do you say it, cliche.
[deleted] 8y ago
Theyre not fun for the OP i will tell you that.
koppok 8y ago
Do not feed the troll.
lottsm 8y ago
Sing the song (the chorus) to yourself...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86URGgqONvA
Starts at 1:09.
[deleted] 8y ago
One of my favorites. LOL. But honestly, id rather have rough sex with her at "Two Minutes to Midnite"
fakeplastictrees87 8y ago
u retarded or something? do you realise your situation.. ? get lawyer explain situation, so when you divorce he can find a way for you to keep as much of asset as possible.. or better thing: convert all your cash into bitcoing and save somewhere unknown. fuck that disrespectful whore.
GC0W30 8y ago
Talk to the lawyer before you do the bitcoin thing here.
Depending on where you are, the law could take a dim view of that and you could wind up on the hook for every damned dime you moved to bitcoin, with penalties.
[deleted] 8y ago
I hate to think of my wife of 8 years as a whore. We have a good everyday normal marriage. You would never know this would happen to people like us. I give her sex, and im a fit sexual guy. I have the whole lawyer and asset protection in the back of my head believe me.
Washedupoaf 8y ago
-You THINK you have a good normal everyday marriage
-You THINK you are giving her sex. Its "intercourse" not fucking. She doesn't see you as someone that "fucks"
-You need to stop THINKING about covering your ass for divorce and start doing it.
Listen man, this only ever goes one way. She picked her target, has a history with him, and she will gut your heart for her own sexual pleasure. You are a source of income and shelter for her nothing more. Stop drinking the goddamn "love forever" coolaid of married happily. This only goes one way, but for now you still have the chance to choose when, where, and, how the ship sinks.
Please heed our words here man. Read the sidebar. This thinbg only ends in heartbreak for you and hot dickings from the ex for her
mabden 8y ago
There are plenty of ways to accomplish this without making you a cuck. Read the Sex God Method by Daniel Rose
And how will this make you happy?
Yes.
No, she is trying to better HER sex life.
[deleted] 8y ago
Kind of up for it meant, IF WE DO IT, it would have to be a stranger who we never saw again, not some ex who we run into on occasion who fucked her senseless every day.
mabden 8y ago
Not really the point of the reply, more will watching your wife get fucked, in the manner she is describing by some other guy, make you happy? How will that make you happy? Trying to get you to set aside her benefit and think if this is good for you?
I understand the wanting to make your wife sexually satisfied, (i.e. being good, giving, and game) but she is leaving out/side stepping the part that this is really for her benefit, not yours.
Maybe, maybe, she really believes her bullshit, but she is not thinking this through very well. Your response of no fucking way and for her to fix herself with the help of therapy is fine. However your problem now is has she damaged the marriage beyond repair with this request to 'spice things up, for her' and can you bring the animal savagery and psychological dominance she seems to desire? Will this end up being a sore spot, an unfulfilled hole that will nag at the sexual component of your marriage?
Typing this really brings it back to the feeling that she really just wants to get railed by this ex and unless she completely turns around on this and demonstrates complete remorse, you are going to have a rough road ahead you.
anyway good luck
PS: maybe this is similar to some rape fantasies women have, which reminds me of a book My Secret Garden by Nancy Friday.
Also check out the movie The Little Death.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
To answer your question, I think this has more to do with him than with you.
She craves that rough, kinky, degrading stuff. He's in her life so that feeling gets amplified. But it's interesting that one of her options was to introduce this into your 2 person sex life, but she went straight to the three way plan. Which begs the question of is she into the degrading stuff, is she into 3 ways, or is she into her ex.
Other than that, I want to say that this is literally a nightmare scenario for some guys in marriages. They fear the day it comes that their wife wants to add #3 ex.
[deleted] 8y ago
It is a nightmare. For just about a week now. She says she doesn't want it to be a threesome. Want some to watch basically because it will make me want her like that. He wants me to watch this guy fuck her and rogh her up good.
[deleted] 8y ago
It is a nightmare. For just about a week now. She says she doesn't want it to be a threesome. Want some to watch basically because it will make me want her like that. He wants me to watch this guy fuck her and rogh her up good.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
You don't know how to rough her up.
[deleted] 8y ago
Sure I do. She just doesnt want the learning curve. I have to "watch" and dive right into it. Its bullshit.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
What learning curve?
[deleted] 8y ago
She says the way he treated her you dont just know how to do or "get into". She really wants me to "see" how its done so to say. She wants me to site there and watch him rough fuck and degrade her so I "know how its done". Not exactly a threesome, but just watch how she wants me to treat her.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
tell her to show you a porn vid of it.
[deleted] 8y ago
I suggests that. She said it's not the same. That by me watching her get treated this way it will,not only show me exactly what she wants, it will,make,me want her in that way.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
How is everything coming along?
[deleted] 8y ago
Hey, thanks for checking in. I posted an update a few days ago. She agreed to the therapy and we are going together. So Im hoping this will get her mind off this and the therapist can hopefully get us to work on getting her more satisfied wth is. Wish me luck. :)
SemperPrimus 8y ago
I am not married nor was I ever in the past, I'm 27. So I suppose you can take my advice with a grain of salt but at this moment when I hear something like that the only thing I can think of are 3 things
1)Protect my assets
2)Lawyer up
3)End it
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks, hopefully it will not come to this.
[deleted]
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
She's trying to better HER sex life by getting some strange, and having you approve it by agreeing to be cucked.
Tell her the only three-way you will agree to involves you, her, and a smokeshow of a woman.
[deleted] 8y ago
I dont want to go in this direction at al. I want to be the guy who fucks her till she cant walk if she wants. She has to communicate better with me. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
[deleted] 8y ago
You are a huge moron, also - she already has a man in mind for probably a few weeks / months already. Have fun being cucked.
[deleted] 8y ago
Im not being cucked, cmon. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatim to get help or were done.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
The thing is, it sounds like even if you had the perfect sex life and all that shit, she is simply bored and wants variety again. She wants her ex and has hamstered the idea over time that it's ok, assuming she hasn't already got with him.
It could happen to any married man. And it does. Even if they're the epitome of alpha, you can't win. Seen plenty examples here of alpha motherfuckers who got cucked or chucked and didn't even know about it. Your wife has actually brought it up (at least).
There's a long thread I read yesterday again. If you go on the redpill main sub and organise by top post, you will find the story of the guy who's wife planned a cheat on him for months with another guy. Once she did it, she was over it and expected everything to go back to normal. She built up her fantasy, got it and in the process initiated the divorce by him. After it was done, sure it was fun, but it obviously wasn't worth where she ended up. But women don't see the bigger picture here, they're emotional, not logical, and live in fantasies like this one.
[deleted] 8y ago
True, no matter how good you are some people just want more of whatever it is. I can deliver, she just has to be a wife and tell me. Not suggest i watch her on some hotel bed in some blackkeather moots taking a brutal pussy slamming.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Pretty sure you're a troll bro. That was a weird response.
[deleted] 8y ago
Sorry if the details offended you. Just trying topaint a picture of what her needs are.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Haha. Well this is why I think you're a troll. You've managed to succeed in getting the attention of what seems like the entire TRP community here to respond to your post.
You've responded a LOT to everyone. Mainly repeating the same points and justifications while selectively ignoring certain pieces of advice.
Some responses you have almost a jokey like demeanour and use a lot of smileys in inappropriate contexts.
You seem unwilling and uninterested in making (or declaring) a decision, instead opting to mull over the points again and keep discussing it, again with a less serious attitude.
You've been given realistically every possible case scenario there is and why each one is good and bad.
Why are you still here?
[deleted] 8y ago
Ive seen lots of good advice. Im still here after 3 days because nothing has changed yet. Just seeing what everyone has to say, possible scenarions on her end, and what the outcomes could be based on other posters experiences. Youve all been helpful, just wish i had an answer for you guys right now. I am absorbing everything ive read, believe me. My decision is made. She gets it out of her head or we are done. She hasnt made HER decision yet.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Ok bro. I still think you're a troll but if not, good luck with your decision.
[deleted] 8y ago
Read what you wrote out loud to yourself.
[deleted] 8y ago
Ok..why?
[deleted] 8y ago
Because it will actualize the idea in your mind. It's one thing g to think, another to hear yourself say it. You'll know what's right for you once you verbalized situation.
4D6N2 8y ago
Because you sound like a pussy bitch with no self respect.
Yashugan00 8y ago
I swear these posts are repeating themselves. There has got to be some standard copy pasta to save these guys by now. Sidebar ---> NOW! Your mind will explode, welcome to the real, see you when you've passed anger phase.
RPthrowaway123 8y ago
She's probably already done it, lol. Sorry dude your marriage is fucked.
[deleted] 8y ago
I hope not buddy, the thought has crossed my mind though.
SoRedSuchAlpha 8y ago
You could make a counter offer that calls her bluff. Her ex doesn't have sex with her, he actually teaches. He doesn't tie her up and fuck her. He ties her up and YOU fuck her, then he shows you how to do the ties. He doesn't verbally degrade her in front of you, you have a private 1 on 1 chat with him and he tells you how he used to do it and answers question you might have about how it works.
If she really wants you to learn and sees him as a resource she won't mind. If she wants an excuse to fuck him, she won't go for it.
[deleted] 8y ago
Sounds good to me, but again, i dont want this at all in any way. That would probably bore her.
JvSOUL 8y ago
......Dude. Run.
The level of disrespect here is unbelieavable....
I don't know if you have the Balls or the Mental Strength to ghost this "Wife" of yours, divorce her ASAP. Get a lawyer and protect your assets. YOU ARE WAY TO DEEP IN THIS FANTASY AND POSSIBLY TRAPED IN ONEITIS.
I don't know how else to say this, but you have to End it ASAP. CUT HER OFF.
flatox 8y ago
He does not understand and so he will not act ad he should.
[deleted] 8y ago
Its been only 3 days and my head is in a fog. She need shelp. She is upset over this too because she knows i will end this. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
[deleted] 8y ago
That thought is just devastating right now. I was a happily married guy just two days ago. And this comes out of left field. I told her it's no,and that's it. Gave her till the weekend to figure a way to get it out of her heard or we separate. Therapy or whatever. I will,even go with her.
bidric 8y ago
So you're willing to dismiss everything if she goes to sex therapy?
[deleted] 8y ago
All that will be dismissed is the fact that sem mentioned it. Theres no evidence of anything else. If she gets it out of her head we can see wherre thinsg go from there. I wont have to be at work thinking about coming home to seeing her violently face fucked on my living room floor.
multipl3x 8y ago
You were happy, but now your wife wants you to watch her viciously, carnally FUCK ANOTHER DUDE. You gotta open your eyes and see that actually, YOU WIN - YOU get a free pass out of the dark shithole of everything this situation is to completely start over, better yourself, and fuck some new women yourself! She gets to go back to whatever slimy debauchery temporarily satisfies her inner slut to the point where she wakes up cold and alone in some apartment somewhere and finally realizes she dun good. Good for her! Not your problem!
The chances of therapy being effective are slim - this is who she is in her core and it has just now come out. When you kick her to the curb and reset your life, go buy a motorcycle, fuck some bitches half your age, please come back and tell us how much happier you are. We know you will be!
[deleted] 8y ago
I dont want any free pass. Not in to the sharing thing. I wanther to get this out of her head somethow. I told her to contact a therapist or make sme effort or were done. I can fuck her however she wants, but i cant watch this guy do that to her. teraing her slit clothes off, pounding her pussy and watching her half pain halfpleasure face. I would want to kill him, and she wouldnt want me to.
blasted_biscuits 8y ago
You need to come to terms with the relationship ending on your terms or hers. She might play the game and make it seem like it's working but she is going to leave you eventually and take any last bit of dignity with her.
[deleted] 8y ago
It will definitely be my terms i am sure if it does. She is too upset right now.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
I believe you about it brewing for a while. She didnt just wake up with this. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
knightSwolaire 8y ago
This ultimatum will not work at all. End it. Grow a pair and walk OP
[deleted] 8y ago
That thought kills me, believe me.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
I hate to think that. 8 years and now this curve ball. We have great sex. I am very sexual and we do whatever we want in bed. Butthis guy was an extreme.
Forcetobereckonedwit 8y ago
Therapy will be an unavoidable Hell of some well meaning fuktard telling you to accept your wife for the human she is.
If that's what you want to do, save the money and just get used to being a cuckold. Many guys get off on it. If that's your game, go for it. If that bothers you...you know what you HAVE to do.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yeah ive heard stories about therapy going bad. But its a first step, I am just lost in this. Ima horny guy, i undertsnd the itch. She is thinking with that pantiless pussy of hers.
Forcetobereckonedwit 8y ago
I get the horny part, and get the wild sexytime part, but in this case, we all know what's going on. So do you. I know it's gonna hurt bad, but you better start putting yourself at that number one spot, and act accordingly.
ThatKassiusGuy 8y ago
You keep trying to rationalise all this, talking about sending her to a sex therapist? STOP!
Your wife basically said "I want to FUCK another man!" Do you even understand that?
Up to you dude really, if you want to try and 'fix' this then go ahead. Read the Red Pill sidebar. I can only go on my own experiences and the experiences of the people on this sub but my gut feeling is saying that it's over.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes but why would she just give a one time reason? Why not just cheat withthis guy if her desire is that strong? She wants me to watch this si i get all sexed up and want to do it to her. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
jaydent1 8y ago
You're getting cucked. The only reason you should even remotely consider this is if she also agrees to let you bring other women into bed. And even then, it still requires that you're ok with another man fucking your partner, and you're letting her trample all over you.
You can take a couple things from all this.
[deleted] 8y ago
The thought of her cheating already has crossed my mind. And i dont want another girl to "get even". This isnt about that. This is about her wanting dominant sex from me, and the only way she thinks i can know how to do it is from, in her words, "a guy who knows how to fuck".
[deleted] 8y ago
Hi everyone. I just wanted to say thanks to all of you for the incredible amount of feedback i got from all of you on this horrible card that was dealt to me a few days ago. Im new to Reddit, and the amount of responses and advice on scenarios has been stellar. More than i ever expected. You all made me realize possible scenarios i never even thought of from all of your experiences. I will keep you all posted on my wifes "decision" to get past this and hold our good marriage together. I love her and want to satisfy her in this way and hope she can come to terms with that in our own bedroom. I never knew that a handful of people i never met could be so helpful. You guys are all amazing. - OP
the-bum-hammer 8y ago
Another guy? Yeah. She wants other cock with your blessing.
[deleted] 8y ago
To think in detail what this guy would have done to her in front of me.
NolanKnowstheTruth 8y ago
"Even her friends have told me when we first started dating in a joking manner." Why did you even continue with her at this point, and why would you allow her to keep him around? Dude, your sex life isn't decent. She is, in affect, telling you that you don't know how to fuck properly and that you need lessons from her close, ex-boyfriend.
[deleted] 8y ago
Why wouldnt i continue with her? Everyone has a sexual past and sometimes people joke about it around friends. Guys do it too. We hit it off, we dated, we got married. She wants next level sex and asked if i would watch this. I am in tOTAL disagreeance for obvious reasons, but there are people out there who are into it. She took a shot. I said NO WAY. She needs help or were done.
BestSC86 8y ago
Hamster alert......this one is running wild.
This ho found herself a true, live betabucks for the ages....no wonder her friends are laughing.
Dude they are not laughing with you...they are laughing AT YOU.
Bhahahahhahahahhaaaa....I need to meet this chick, she sounds like a fun weekend....wonder if she has any slots available, not likely her card is most likely full.
[deleted] 8y ago
You probably couldn't even handle her. She's has a true live betabuck according to you.
NolanKnowstheTruth 8y ago
Her friends joked about it because you are nothing like the ex-bf. And her is the important part...You never will be. He is the alpha stud, making ex-girlfriends wish they could fuck him again and you are the guy who needs to take lessons from him. She wants to take your sex to the next level alright, just not with you.
[deleted] 8y ago
I get it. He was on that level. Could probably out fuck every guy in the neighborhood. That doesnt mean that above average guys like me cant have satisfied women. i would like Jenna Jameson every nite, but i cant.
KettleLogic 8y ago
God. Look at threads where people have discussed threesome horror stories.
This is your future.
I'm so sorry man. My stomach sinks thinking about how messy this divorce is going to be now or in the future be it you ripping it off like a bandaid. You being cucked and her finding not interest in doing anything but cucking you. Or you finding out about cheating.
There's no way I could be with a woman who told me that I needed to watch how a real man fucks. Is he gonna pat you on the head after and "say there you go scamp that's how a real man does it!"
Go lift and get a good lawyer you wouldn't be here if this issue wasn't eating at you.
[deleted] 8y ago
I hope to god she inst cheating and yesm, the lawyer issue has been in my head this whole time. Thanks for the support.
Askada 8y ago
I can't even comprehend how any man could listen to that like he is seriously considering the option. Like, what the fuck.
[deleted] 8y ago
It was tough hearing her say that after 8 years of marriage. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatim to get help or were done. This is not easy.
[deleted] 8y ago
Brutal. Holy fuck.
[deleted] 8y ago
No way dud. Not going there. In his dreams.
djdonny 8y ago
That was fucking savage but deserved no man wants to hear that
[deleted] 8y ago
I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatim to get help or were done.
brooklynisburnin 8y ago
She already cheated on you with that guy, now she wants to do it "legally".
[deleted] 8y ago
I hope not. But the thought is in my head unfortunatley. But why woudl a cheater "ask" to cheat? Why not just say "lets have a threesome. it will get us off."?
brooklynisburnin 8y ago
To not feel guilty, it's rationalization, in her eyes no matter if she has done it already or if she's doing it because she's not satisfied with you and wants the other guy, if you say it's ok, then it's ok, but it's not.
[deleted] 8y ago
I see your pint. I dontknow. The whole "just once" thing throws it off.
brooklynisburnin 8y ago
Either way you might as well go along with it and see for yourself, since pretty much your marriage is screwed already, unfortunately is just a matter of time.
Good luck.
Apexk9 8y ago
Say you want to try with another women. Then after you do it say you can't do this..
But bro your wife's a whore.
[deleted] 8y ago
Shes not a whore. She just wants to be treated like one. I cant imagine what I would have saw if i went through with this. No way.
Apexk9 8y ago
She is married and wants another dick that is definitely a whore.
[deleted] 8y ago
This guy was an extreme and left an impression in her head. But she needs to stay in the bedroom with her urges. What would i be sitting and looking at. Geez.
Apexk9 8y ago
W-h-o-r-e
pbgswd 8y ago
offer an alternative. Get into your local kink scene and learn how to play in public play dungeons and fetish parties. Make it something you do together. Tell her no to the ex bf, she cant go back on that, but you would go forward in to the local kink scene, maybe do things with others from there.
[deleted] 8y ago
Theres an idea, but i dont even think it was dungeon type stuff. He just reated her like shit, talked real dity to her and fucked her till she couldnt walk.
pbgswd 8y ago
you can learn about all sorts of ways of playing in the kink community. talking dirty and fucking her till she cant walk is on the list of things you can be into and find friends who will teach you how to do.
FrameWalker 8y ago
No no absolutely no. Talk to a lawyer pronto. If she's already suggesting this she's already ready to divorce.
What she's done is a huge ducking slap in the face. Get angry. Then act rationally protect your assets and divorce.
[deleted] 8y ago
Believe me, its been on my mind the last few days since she mentioned it. Its sucks because we have a good marriage, she just has this desire to get our se to a "new level". I dont agree with her "method" of doing that. Lets go to an adult shop and watch porn like the rest of the world.
assured_destruction 8y ago
You don't have a 'good marriage' YOU have a good marriage she's looking to get out.
Go the the bathroom, Take a dump, thats you, now flush, thats what she sees hapening
dadstartingover_com 8y ago
Dude... you're about to go down a very very crazy road. I can tell by your tone that you are a good guy. A sweet guy. You're going to get crushed.
You're about to have your big "holy shit" life moment. I'm sorry you have to go through it. Everybody here knows how this is going to end because we've seen it a hundred times.
knightSwolaire 8y ago
Bro! It's FUCKING over! Lawyer up ASAP
DrHolz 8y ago
Bro you 'think' you have a good marriage. Try looking at it from the third person's point of view and you'll realise she has been unsatisfied with the marriage for a long time. That's what lead her to think about fucking another guy in front of you in the first place.
[deleted] 8y ago
I know, but all else with us seems fine and probably is. You would never look at us and think we were unhappy in any way.
[deleted] 8y ago
My car runs beautifully, great paint job, nice brand, low mileage.
Only thing that isn't ok is the engine is broke.
[deleted] 8y ago
Women are indirect in that way. Public appearance is life or death for this very reason. Sound like you were a tool to show her social status.
Never trust a woman with a good poker face. She has one, doesn't she? Just stupid enough to show her hand though. Never the less, you're a game to her.
DrHolz 8y ago
I'm not married and I'm not at all experienced with this kinda stuff (I'm just 19). I just gave my opinion of this situation as an observer. Best advice I can give you is to read the suggested books and go through some top threads of this sub reddit and follow the advice about getting a lawyer and stuff. Don't worry and don't feel you're alone in this.
This sub reddit will always be there for brothers who need help.
BusterVadge 8y ago
It only takes one person to ruin a marriage. This is the unfortunate truth.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I can tell you that I would never think to go to an adult shop and watch porn. I'd much rather watch porn at home and fuck the girl.
GC0W30 8y ago
He probably meant go to an adult shop and buy toys/porn/lube/whatever and then go home to use the toys and watch porn to get worked up and get ideas.
That's what many couples do rather than the bullshit his wife is trying to pull.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
Good point.
FrameWalker 8y ago
Her words are senseless from here on out.watch the actions
[deleted] 8y ago
Ugh. I got my foot down with it, but what's puzzling me is she's upset, not rebelling. Like she knows she hurt by asking. I told her straight out is a no go or were done.
[deleted] 8y ago
your marriage is over. she's upset because you were too much of a faggot to fuck her right and now she's lost her attraction to you. As much of a cunty thing shes done by fucking her ex or openly asking to cuck you, the real reason is down to your inability to bang her like an ape. I'm really sorry to tell you. the marriage is over. start considering your options for divorce, and using TRP as a guide to help you in your next stage of life. I just hope you have 0 kids
4D6N2 8y ago
Approach her and ask to have her phone. Look through her texts, calls, emails, and her facebook messages. If she refuses, she has something to hide, and you need to move forward assuming she has already been unfaithful. For any self respecting man, this means divorce. If she says some bullshit about "muh privacy", you tell that bitch that in a marriage, there aint no fucking privacy, because spouses don't hide things from eachother. Use the line, "my wife doesnt keep secrets from me". It's a good way to imply that divorce is imminent if she doesn't comply.
If she refuses outright to let you look at her texts immediately - not in 5 minutes, not in 5 hours - immediately, then there is a 100% chance she has at least contacted this guy already behind your back. Odds are good, just seeing how much of a pussy you are in this thread, that she doesnt respect you at all and has already fucked him - I put this outcome at ~70%. If you are not a cuck, as you seem to believe, then failure to produce her texts, emails, and facebook messages immediately upon request means divorce.
Contact a divorce lawyer first, tell them that you are thinking of divorcing your wife today, then ask them to help you protect yourself. Follow their instructions meticulously. Ask your wife for her phone, and make her sit and watch you go through it. Then ask for her PC. If she refuses, tell her you want a divorce, then pray to god you grow the balls to actually go through with it. Godspeed.
Oh, and record the whole interaction start to finish to protect yourself from domestic violence accusations. Seriously.
[deleted] 8y ago
Fuck this is good.
DrHolz 8y ago
That's really good advice bro. Not just in this case but in general. Thanks
W_O_M_B_A_T 8y ago
This needs to be upvoted more.
bbm72 8y ago
Dude, painful situation for me to read about. Please get out of this relationship.
Signed, The guy who has been the other guy.
[deleted] 8y ago
you were the ex she wants in this situation?
bbm72 8y ago
Not the ex, rather the guy who screwed her properly. I was asked by her to f her in front of her bf. She arranged with him for him to watch us.
[deleted] 8y ago
Boyfreind agreed? Just one time? This is what my wife wants, but in a "watch this is how you do it" sense. Weird
flatox 8y ago
Stop considering this and please wake up to reality.....
bbm72 8y ago
Yes, agreed and one time. Same idea. I felt bad. He agree but wasn't happy; I get kinda rough on her. She loves it. But he is too gentle and caring/ boring. Typical relationship mistake.
SoRedSuchAlpha 8y ago
Do you know how it worked out for them?
bbm72 8y ago
Truly ... I don't know how they're faring. They're still together, but if things are generally good or not, I don't know. She comes by once every two weeks still. I reckon that says enough.
bbm72 8y ago
Ps, in my case the bf only watched didn't partake.
[deleted] 8y ago
This is what my wife wants, but like i said, to show me how to do it to her. He would tie her up, make her wear the big boots, and other hard stuff.
rheinhart 8y ago
Holy shit this is gold. You've already cucked yourself mentally.
blasted_biscuits 8y ago
I couldn't imagine anything more humiliating. You should be disgusted by her for even putting the image in your head. That alone is grounds for divorce.
SoRedSuchAlpha 8y ago
For the most part you shouldn't actually need lessons in roughed, you should be able to figure it out. Trying people up actually does need to be taught because it's very dangerous if done wrong. I can see how she'd think it would be convenient to have her ex teach you but it's so inappropriate, and almost certainly a better idea to take a class or join a bondage club.
[deleted] 8y ago
If i agreed to this, whin i am definitely not, do you think she would tell me "I will have him tone it down a bit for you"? No way. I dont think so.
bbm72 8y ago
No idea. In my case, the chick said just to do what web do and he will watch.
[deleted] 8y ago
Was she talking to him? Humiliating him during it? Thats what im afraid my wife will incorporate.
bbm72 8y ago
Talking at a minimum during. I told her to stop and focus on making me happy, not putting on a freakin show. She listened, she knows her place. She likes choking, being slapped, pushed around, dirty and humiliating talk. All consensual and all fun.
[deleted] 8y ago
Great. Good fun. :)
abcd_z 8y ago
For him and her, sure. Not so much for the other guy.
WubbaLubbaDubStep 8y ago
Dude... take everyone's advice with a huge grain of salt. There are some seriously disturbed people on this sub. No one knows your situation better than you despite their armchair lawyer/psychologist rants.
Be glad she trusted you enough to bring it up. Talk to her openly about it. If she's already fucking him behind your back, why would she bring it up? People are saying for validation but that doesn't make sense. Why would she need validation if she can already do it without you knowing?
I am not great at dating only 1 girl. So if I were married, I'd understand my wife's desire to want something new. Flavors get old.
Take this as an opportunity to maybe ask to introduce a woman into the mix. Ever had a threesome? Well... here's your chance to explore that opportunity.
[deleted] 8y ago
Your wife is a selfish evil cunt looking to cuck you.
Sorry man.
If it were me in your situation - I would have immediately refused and told her that I needed to re-evaluate whether or not I wanted the marriage.
This isn't a person who loves you. This is a person who only cares about her own immediate wants and needs. She's probably already fucking around.
The fact that you didn't counter with a divorce threat and are actually considering this insanity tells me everything I need to know.
You have no self respect - and because of that she doesn't respect you either.
Seriously, what kind of witch says "You don't fuck me well enough, I need to bring my ex into the bedroom so you can watch and learn"? Obviously not a person who gives one iota about your feelings.
[deleted] 8y ago
Youre right about his. I have just been in "Did this just happen to me?" mode the last 3 days. I woke up to alot of replies this morning, i am going to write an updated post to generally address the situation and get to every0ne individually after.
[deleted] 8y ago
The good news is - this is your wake up call. Sometimes we need these type of events to jar us into clarity.
Me? It would be a deal breaker.
Ever see the Hulk Meme where Ruffalo says "My secret is I'm always angry?"
Well my secret to respect in a marriage is that "I'm always ready to leave it". I'm not talking about passive aggressive bullshit - I'm talking about God's honest willingness to do what is necessary to preserve your happiness and self-respect. If you aren't willing to do what it takes - then nobody will.
What you should do is look at your wife and with genuine acceptance of this unwanted reality and state that you don't want to be in a marriage with someone who has that kind of blatant disregard for your well being. Not just that, that also it would be better if you found a woman who enjoyed being with you sexually. Being in a sexually incompatible marriage is not something you're interested in.
Then grab your newly purchased gym bag and tell her when you get back from your work out you're going to want to talk about "what needs to happen next"
Before you go through this event, consult with an attorney - and when you do sit down to have the "I don't think this is working out" talk with her, you can casually mention that to her.
What this will do - will dread game the fuck out of her. The bottom line is - you need a wife who loves and respects you - who wants to make you happy - not this abusive, manipulative gaslighting bullshit. She's already shown by her actions that she's a terrible wife - and person for that matter. In this talk, you can't give her a condition that allows her back into your good graces - that door needs to appear closed to her. If your love and respect is something she wants, then that is something she needs to figure out how to do on her own. Even then, you shouldn't be so sure it's enough - whatever she does to try to fix things. At this point, how can you tell it's honest?
If she tries to play it off as you overreacting you got to get super stone faced and serious and say No, what you did - what you tried to do - is a fucking deal breaker.
EDIT: Also be prepared for all kinds of nasty head games because they are about to fly. Stay resolute.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks a lot. Some good advice here. Hopefully no head games.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yeah dude if you are successful as you say you are there is absolutely no reason why you should put up with any bullshit.
It's not like you couldn't easily replace her with a younger, more eager model.
[deleted] 8y ago
Amrried 8 years to a hot sexy woman and we have a good marriage. Its tough thinking about dropping that over an itchy pussy.
[deleted] 8y ago
You need to reign that shit in quick. Any way you slice it - what she did was pretty egregious.
Be careful of trickle truths. You should be in a state of heightened awareness.
No pussy/marriage is worth your self respect. Oneitis is a bitch that can be your undoing.
Just saying man - seen many of these stories pop up on TRP and just about all of them end up being worst case scenario. Like many other guys have pointed out here - where there is smoke there is fire.
There's a larger point to be made here though. It's not just lust (or as you call it an "itchy pussy") that is the problem here. Its about personal frame, tone setting and leadership in the relationship. Women have different drivers when it comes to lust - its far less autonomic. There are more than just unmet physical needs going on here.
We often say that LTR/marriage should fit the "Captain/First Mate" dynamic. Your leadership and her faith in it should be pretty rock solid. She should be 100% on Team You. There shouldn't even be a question. I can extrapolate from your story that A) She's fantasizing about the ex pretty heavily and probably at minimum made inappropriate contact with him B) She believes you weak and foolish enough to be manipulated into allowing her to fulfill this desire without fully discovering the complete truth about the surrounding circumstances.
When a woman gets a temptation to stray or irrevocably change a relationship that's only the symptom and not the actual root cause of the issue. What that tells us in the know is there are certain deficiencies happening at home that in all likelihood extend far beyond physicality.
This isn't just about wanting rough sex. If it was just that then there are a million more constructive ways to broach the subject. This is about how she sees you as a man. I would venture to guess that although you are probably a smart entrepreneur/manager/technologist and have a savvy way about maneuvering in the workplace, when it comes to dealing with her - you probably let her run over you and that has led you to where you are today.
I've repeated the following analogy a number of times to men who are struggling in their discovery of just what to believe:
A wise man one told me that respect is something one gives to themselves. For example... If you keep an immaculate clean house right down to using coasters for drinks, etc... Then when people come to visit you they'll see what a spotless house you have and be on guard to not disrupt or mess anything. Adversely, if you don't give a fuck and live like a slob hoarder, then when people visit they won't care about your house either. You set the example of how people should regard you and they will follow it. Of course there will always people who dirty up a spotless house - but those people are just fucking assholes. That's on them - not on you. You need to be able to recognize those types too, but I digress.
The way this translates is - if your wife sees patterns in your behavior that show you to be a little lovestruck, placing your happiness on too much of a lower level of priority than hers, the result will be this lizard brained attitude in her that you are easily manipulated. She's going to think she can get away with cuckoldry. If your wife saw you as a person who can rationally self-valuate, see things truthfully and firmly not allow yourself to be denigrated or manipulated in any situation she wouldn't have dared mentioned it.
Furthermore, a woman who sees her marriage as sacred and important will defend and protect it passionately. That's not going on here, is it? Seems she's pretty eager to put it at risk, actually.
The way that dread game works is - in order for you to save something you have to be completely willing to lose it if necessary. If you are unable to draw a firm line in the sand and stick to it, then she'll know all your threats are idle and meaningless. Then she'll completely lose respect for you. After that, the worst that you could possibly imagine will materialize. It gets ugly.
Denial ain't a river in Egypt brother. You need to break yours and start organizing your house - literally and figuratively.
I read elsewhere in the thread /u/GayLubeOil say this is like someone at a beautiful dinner party say they are going to spice things up by taking a stank shit on the floor. Well, your wife just took a giant stank shit on the floor of your marriage - you have to stop pretending that it smells like "itchy pussy" roses. You're way off on how you're reading the Doomsday Clock.
RXRob 8y ago
She wants you to watch her fuck her ex. She doesn't even respect you enough to hide it.
Come home tonight with a girl on your arm. Tell your wife that you're going to fuck her. Let's see how liberal your other half is then.
[deleted] 8y ago
LOL. Who knows what she would say. This idea of hers its to get me to "know how to fuck" at a level she wants. Bizzare.
RXRob 8y ago
And in return, she can learn what you want from sex.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yeah, true
KumonRoguing 8y ago
Your relationship is over. This question pops up here way too often. If she asks to fuck another guy, it's over.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes i know. I have made this clear to her. She needs help or we are done.
KumonRoguing 8y ago
Should be done already. The thought has tainted her mind.
[deleted] 8y ago
Who knows.
verily_rp 8y ago
Bringing an ex into your relationship, at any point in your relationship, is a bad idea.
I hate to say this, but you probably need to know. She may have cheated on you already with him. Use trust but verify techniques.
[deleted] 8y ago
I hope youre wrong on that but who knows.
hamstercide 8y ago
You're done. Secure your assets and prepare to separate. There is this famous story that emerged on reddit (I can't find a link or screencap to it right now but will post it later if I do) where a university professor and his wife entered an "open relationship" at his wife's suggestion. The result was disastrous: immediately the wife was fucking a different partner every other day while hubby got nothing, and their sex life at home went to lower than zero as his wife looked down upon him with disgust and contempt while being sexually satisfied by others. Don't be that guy.
[deleted] 8y ago
I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatim to get help or were done.
beginner_ 8y ago
As other have said.disrespectful, she wants to up her sexlife not yours. She never thought your sex was good, she never thought you had a good marriage. She is an alpha widow. My personal opinion is having exes in friends circle is a stupid idea.
As far as I can tell there are no kids involved? That should make the divorce much smoother. This is why you don't marry. You could have kicked her out (or moved) out as soon as possible.
I'm shocked it hasn't been mentioned yet but it is entirely possible she already cheated and that she got pregnant "accidentally". If you approve her idea she later has an excuse when it might have happened. But it doesn't really matter as you need to get out of this mess ASAP.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes i do need to get out of it. She need shelp. I would hate to end amarriage over this but it may be my obly choice unfortunately. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
Tiway22 8y ago
Shes already fucking him. Regardless, your marriage was over the second she brought it up with a guy in mind.
[deleted] 8y ago
I would hate to think that.
Tiway22 8y ago
The only time a woman ever brings up a MMF and already has a guy in mind is when its already gone too far.
If it really was just about the fantasy she wouldnt have a guy picked out.
[deleted] 8y ago
I see your point, but her reason with him is obvious. Pussy pain.
walkingthelinux 8y ago
lol. You up for sitting in a corner masturbating while she gets plowed? Because that's what she is looking for here.
[deleted] 8y ago
Absolutely not! But according to her, wherever she gotthe logic from, "coiples come out of things like this with improved sex lives." Yeah, worse ones to.
walkingthelinux 8y ago
Dude, the fact that you even need to ask about this and have not dumped her shows that you are a cuck at heart.
So allow your little whore to get back on the CC. It's going to happen either way. Your only choice here is if you want to be there to watch it.
This is about her dissatisfaction with YOU and nothing else.
[deleted] 8y ago
Hey, thanks for the comment. I just up up a new post minutes ago addressing this.
play_time_is_over 8y ago
She already slept with her ex boyfriend and now wants to intiate a threesome to make it okay. Basically if you ever discovered she cheated she could say they slept together before the threesome. This is a very common tactic women use.
Your wife has cheated on you, or at least is olanning to very soon. She's already made the emotional decision to sleep with her ex. Handle that information as you will.
[deleted] 8y ago
This and many other possibilities have run through my head the last two days. Believe me. And I would hate to think it happened already. And like THAT! I told her it's no and I am giving her till the weekend to give me an answe to put it behind her. I suggested a sex therapist.
[deleted]
BestSC86 8y ago
Bhahahahahahahaa...no wonder she is over getting pounded by her alpha.
What a wuss.
[deleted] 8y ago
No wuss here buddy. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
I can see that. But how much is enough? She never even told me she wants to do stuff at that level. We probably have hotter sex than most people I know. If she wants to be wildly throat fucked, tied up and have her pussy pounded, and have me degrade her verbally, I will. Just tell me.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
Wow, thats hot. I will check out the book. Thanks
RedPimpin 8y ago
alright brother listen
imagine you went up to her and said " i want to invite a escort here, only one time and you can watch us have sex.. she will show you how to do it better than you"
what does that say? you're not loyal, your relationship is broken etc etc.. she would probably break up with you just for the thought of it
here you are, saying you have a "wonderful relationship"
dont be an idiot
[deleted] 8y ago
Im not being an idiot. And yeah she probably would say that unles it was her thing. We have great sex. We do stuff most couples probably wouldnt.
bowie747 8y ago
What the fuck. You're going to let your wife's ex boyfriend fuck her in front of you? Why are you even considering this.
It doesn't matter if she's legitimately trying to spice things up or not. That's her ex. Boyfriend. Fucking her.
There's other ways to spice up a sex life bro. I think your marriage is over.
[deleted] 8y ago
Im NOT considering it. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done. If she wants rough degrading sex she should just tell me and lets get into our own routine.
knightSwolaire 8y ago
Could watch porn. Could not have another man in mind already. It's a million percent over.
[deleted] 8y ago
I would hate to think that. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
scrodzilla 8y ago
How bad of a red flag is it that she still hangs out with her ex that used to rail her, everyone knows it and "jokes" about it?
[deleted] 8y ago
The joking was in the beginning and it was only a few times. No details or anything. And we dont "hang out" with him and his wife. we see them on occasion in group settings. Kind of a "hey hows it going" kinda thing. It is what it is. Weve respected each other t hroughthe years. Its what he did to her pussy that leftthe big impression.
BestSC86 8y ago
What a wuss.
[deleted] 8y ago
No wuss here. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatim to get help or were done.
justnotsureok 8y ago
Ok so I have a question. I love talking dirty to my wife about her fucking another dude. I even talk to her about it being one of my friends. She goes along with it, but doesn't really get into it like I do. In the end, it would never happen. What are the opinions on that?
[deleted] 8y ago
To be honest, i like hearing about tings she did with past guys. She likes hearing what i did with pother women. Sometimes makes foreplay hotter because it puts dirty images on us. But in reality to watch? No way. Too much at stake.
cavscout55 8y ago
You're being a Blue pill beta. She doesn't get into it because she doesn't respect it. No alpha has a cuck fetish.
[deleted] 8y ago
I dont have a cuck fetish and i dont think thats her goal here. Its to make me SEE how she wants ME to treat her in bed. Hard pussy pounding, tied up, verbal degrading, etc.
justnotsureok 8y ago
Well that's interesting...now I feel like a puss and that I shouldn't be doing it. Makes me wonder if she's even into the other dirty talk that doesn't include her fucking someone else.
cavscout55 8y ago
A plate-worthy girl WILL be into it. Because to her it's a door into being able to fuck other guys guilt free. She'll turn dirty talk into "Well maybe we could try a little bit of it? Maybe just blow a friend of mine into you?" And then it's off to the races. A LTR worthy girl won't respect it because she wants an alpha that doesn't encourage her to fuck other guys.
[deleted] 8y ago
I agree with you on this. Part of the "alpha" in me did say ho right away though.
[deleted] 8y ago
I dont have a cuck fetish. She wants me to watch what she wants me to do to her.
cavscout55 8y ago
Obviously not because she doesn't get into it, does she?
[deleted] 8y ago
Get into what? The cuck idea?
cavscout55 8y ago
You said yourself she doesn't really get into it. Because she doesn't respect it. No woman wants to be fucking a guy that would rather have another guy fucking her. If it made her hot and heavy, she'd be all over it. Sounds to me a plate would get into it and you'd find yourself sadly jerking it to a video of her fucking a dude and wondering where it went wrong. But this sounds like a woman with LTR value who would rather not branch swing. Otherwise she would have pounced on the opportunity to fuck other guys and believe me, if you want to talk dirty like that she could convince you to make it happen. You're squandering a good woman with beta ideals and AWALT so eventually she'll be fucking other dudes in front of you unless you change your ways.
[deleted] 8y ago
Not letting it get to that point buddy. No way. She's a married woman with a husband that will do anything she wants sexually. I'm not gonna go to those limits. I will degrade my wife behind closed doors if she wants, not him. Her Pussy took enough of his punishment, literally.
justnotsureok 8y ago
I think maybe you were thinking you were talking to me (OP)? /u/goodfella44 just sorta jumped in...
regardless... it's going to stop. it would never get to that point anyway, but it will stop. it's not that big of a deal and it only recently started, so i assume it will be easy to stop. plus, her not being into it should make it easier.
mksu 8y ago
fellas stop feeding the troll
[deleted] 8y ago
Troll police...Grab your smart phone, take a long walk off a short pier and go find some Pokemon. Im here for marital advice in a crisis.
[deleted] 8y ago
Ha ha ha.
What does your gut say. That part that you don't dare tell women, because they will shame you into being irrational, or some other bad thing?
I guarantee you already know the answer here. The trick is to switch gears. Can you look at this 8 year marriage as the enemy now? Because it is.
Unless you're truly ready to seek legal representation, protect your assets, have options with other women, and not give her the tools which she will use to beat you with, then you're going ot learn this the hard way.
Think like the 300. You're already dead, your goal now is to fight to live again
[deleted] 8y ago
The though of "getting things together" is in my head believe me. My guy says she still oves me but has an uncontrollable sex desire. If she wanted this guy regularly why would she throw this out as a one time?
[deleted] 8y ago
Dude, get your head out of your ass. How many different way you gotta hear it?
[deleted] 8y ago
I know the consequences. I am just in "this shot downt happen to me" mode right now.
dongpal 8y ago
im amazed people even discuss this obvious trap
DennisReynoldsAMA 8y ago
Don't do it you cuck
[deleted] 8y ago
Im not. Trying to get it out of her head or were done. It hurts saying that.
DennisReynoldsAMA 8y ago
tell her you're heading out to fuck some chick and go out and do it. then go back and tell her she's fired. It starts with your permission, then it ends with her getting fucked by random men. I've fucked someone's wife before, she's a whore like all women who want to fuck someone that isn't their husband, kind of like your wife. Accept the fact that your wife is a whore and move on.
[deleted] 8y ago
Shes not, but She likes to be fucked like one hats for sure. I want to give her that. You used to fuck someones wife? Being what i told you about this ex of hers, what would i be expecting if god for bid i committed to watching? I cant even imagine.
DennisReynoldsAMA 8y ago
She told me she didn't respect her husband which is why she's looking for better sex (with a younger guy like me). and that I fucked her good so she kept texting me to go over. Your wife isn't this anymore so move on dude wtf why are u even still costarring fucking her?
[deleted] 8y ago
Im not costarring anything. This justhit me like a ton of bricks on sunday. I want an answer this weekend.
KartagoPill 8y ago
CuckNation
[deleted] 8y ago
Im no cuck buddy. No way. I put my foot down and gave her an ultimatum to get help or were done.
Askada 8y ago
Then you are stupid. The question is will it make YOU happy? If the answer is yes, then rethink it. It's not good idea.
Holy shit I knew this was coming before I have read it. And now, I'm pretty sure she already fucks him on a weekly basis and wants to bring him to your bed without having to hide it anymore. She wants him bad, thats obvious.
No. She's trying to cuck you hard.
[deleted] 8y ago
Why would she cuck me just once? i dont get that. Thats fetsh that people need over and over. She said straight out, "I want to take our sex life to a new level, You will enjoy watching this and want me like an animal after watching what he does. It wwill make our sex life better."
leflegjones 8y ago
If she already hasn't cheated on you with him, she is bored with you. DO NOT DO THIS!!!
[deleted] 8y ago
We have better sex that probably a lot of people around us. I have always satisfied my women. But this guy was extreme with her. Fucked her and degraded her till she couldnt walk. If she wants that from me like she says, lets experiment. Tell me.
leflegjones 8y ago
It hard not to make snap judgement, this situation is very shocking to me. I think I would next my LTR if she asked that but it seems you think she is using this technique to get you into rough sex play. Has she asked for rough sex before?
[deleted] 8y ago
We do have rough sex at times. It naturally gets there just by what we are doing. I toss her around, pull,her hair a bit, etc. she never asked for it literally, it's just happens. But I never did it on the level this guy did. The tying up, stuffing panties in the mouth,,hard throat fucks, etc. But I will if she wants. I don't need to see it done to her.
orezavi 8y ago
Ask her if she's willing to let you have another woman in bed with you guys.
Edit: Someone a few levels hotter than her. And younger.
[deleted] 8y ago
I see your tit for tat with this but that's not where I'm going with it. Neither is she. This is about "watch him fuxk me raw, then you do it."
[deleted] 8y ago
Hi All...Thanks for all the replies that came in over nite. I will address you all individually in a bit. I read them all, and just wanted to make a few things clear that people are misunderstanding about me and this situation. I am NOT a cuck, nor do I have ANY desire to be. I am a fit, sexual guy who has always pleased my partners. I also an not being "passive" with her in anyway in this. Only in tone, not words. I told her, the answer is NO, and you need to find a fix for this "desire" very soon. I am calm but rigid in words because i dont want her rebelling and coming home to her setting it up on surprise god for bid. I know its not something that flicks off with a switch. She has a burning itch in her pussy right now, im a guy, i get it. She knows I will do anything she wants, but she says this guy gave her the most degrading rough fucks of her life and she wants me to please her in that way. And in her mind, watching him will be an good experience for me. She doesnt want to be bothered screening strangers and stuff. We know him, and she feels comfortable with that about the situation. She gets upset when we talked the last few days, i can see she doesnt want her marriage or what we have to end. She is just a woman who likes to be treated like a whore in bed on all counts. Its probably always been in her. But please understand my mind is in a fog right now. She has my answer, and i am giving her time to think and she knows if it happens where done. If i get all macho and yell at her, she will rebel and go behind my back. Then we are definitely done. I am a CEO and dont handle things like a loud asshole. I have a temper yes, but I am used to handling problems with my mind. This is my biggest challenge yet. If she wants to dress up in thing high boots with 8 inch heels, have me throw her down on the living room floor, hold her face in a pillow and say degrading things while i plow her from behind, she should tell me and we should experiment. I will do it. Sorry to get a little detailed, but it paints the picture of the "problem" better.
[deleted] 8y ago
Goddamn, man. She's actively been making plans to fuck her married ex boyfriend in front of you. A few questions for you:
Why her ex boyfriend and not a stranger? That's not going to make it easier, that's going to make it awkward as shit when you cross paths again. A: He's an old ex, they had awesome sex and she wants to fuck him again, guilt-free.
Why does she assume he's okay with this? He's married, surely it's not the case that she just rang him up and asked if he wanted to fuck? A: They've been planning it together; given the previous point this wasn't done for your sake.
Why not just watch amateur porn? How is that any different to her and a friend? A: See point 1; "it's not the same" is not an answer. You can fuck her as roughly as her ex did, but that's still not going to be the same, is it?
Looking at it completely objectively, all signs point to her cheating on you with this guy. If you want to confirm it, have a look through her messaging services (facebook, whatsapp, texts, even things like instagram or snapchat). While it may not be physical, I can say with certainty that it's emotional - she's not over this guy, she suggested him specifically because they had great sex, and she wants you to validate her feelings.
[deleted] 8y ago
Good answers to your questions, i have to say. Her thoughts like i said are a one time thing for me to watch what she wants, and who better to do it than someone we know who, in her words "knows how to fuck".Our sex life IS good for the standars of most people, trust me. This guy was just an extreme. Hard poundings, tie ups, hair pulling, even mad friends and made them verbally degrade her. THAT i would never do though.
BestSC86 8y ago
"If she wants to dress up in thing high boots with 8 inch heels, have me throw her down on the living room floor, hold her face in a pillow and say degrading things while i plow her from behind, she should tell me and we should experiment"
Bhahahahahahah....no wonder she went looking for a real alpha.....you really have no freaking clue.
Good for her that you are a CEO...that means that she and her ex can use all that alimony, she is going to rape from you, to go to the Island where he can freak the hades out of her while laughing at your wussy self for paying for it all will make the sex even hotter.
[deleted] 8y ago
Cmon, what the “you have no freaking clue” all about? We do kinky shit together. This guy is on an extreme level i told you.
Archwinger 8y ago
You're already fucking up. Don't tell your wife no and "give her time to think".
She's going to use that time to become a better liar, fuck the other guy (possibly again), and maybe even get her ducks in a row to surprise-divorce you. By giving her this notice, you're letting her know what she needs to keep from you and giving her time to do a good job at it.
What you should have done, and should still do now, is the very moment she suggested this, you should have said, "This is a lot. Let me think about this" and said nothing else. You then should have met with a lawyer and began getting your ducks in a row to surprise-divorce her.
Women don't want a man who needs to be taught how to be a man. Women want a man who "just gets it". You don't just get it. You've thought, for years, that you have a strong marriage and a great sex life. She's merely tolerated you due to the stability your provide, and let you ignorantly believe she's been happy.
She, on her own initiative, has been contacting her ex, who she still remembers fondly, and has set up a sexual encounter with him, behind your back. She is now asking for your permission to consummate that sexual encounter. To placate you, she is pretending that the purpose of this arranged sexual encounter is to teach you how to fuck like a real man, but as I've said, women don't want a fake man who's pretending to be a real man because he was taught. They want to get fucked by a man who's actually a real man. A man who gets it.
Make no mistake -- the purpose of this arranged sexual encounter has nothing to do with you. It's about her getting fucked the way she wants by a man she wants, while retaining the financial benefits of a continued marriage with you. And there's a good chance she's already fucked the guy, probably more than once, and is now retroactively seeking your permission so that if you ever find out she's been cheating, she can be a little hazy about the order in which things happened. This makes a lot of sense because the guy's in your friend circle, so there's a good chance you'd find out about the cheating if she tried to keep hiding it.
She doesn't want to get fucked roughly by you. She wants to get fucked roughly by a real man, not a pretender. She's just telling you what she thinks is going to get her what she wants.
Turn your fucking computer off and go see a lawyer.
[deleted] 8y ago
The lawyer though was in my mind the moment she told me this. Theres 8 years of marriage on the line here. I said no to doing this right off the bad and feel its only right to give her a chance to clear herself of this. Im a highly sexual guy myslef, but jeaopardizing my marriage never overpowered it. And im not a pretender with rough sex. I do it to her at a level that i have just been doing it. Can I turn it up if she wants? Of course! Just tell me what your into. I dont need to see her pussy get destroyed to learn. Ive given many orgasms in my life.
ItsTheHomeWrecker 8y ago
deleted ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0.7207 ^^^What ^^^is ^^^this?
maxofreddit 8y ago
Haven't had a chance to go through all the replies yet, but I'll just relate my story (parallel to yours)
A while my my wife essentially said, "It's ok if you grab me hard & push on my neck." Now I'm not a rough guy, and at the time is was quite "beta," but I figured she wanted it so I started playing aroud with it. She fuckin LOVED it.
A few years later, she brings up back door action. I assumed it was totally off limits, and simply had never brought it up. Turns out she comes HARD that way, and some nights wants it that way more than regular sex.
Same thing with tying her down to the bed & having my way with her.
She's provided a little crack in the door of what she wants sexually, and honestly it's up to you, as the fuckin man, to not only open that door, but pull her through with you as well. Sure you're going to fuck it up a little here and there. But my best advice to you? (not that you asked for it, but we're all giving it anyway)
Go monk mode for a week. In that time, do your research, watch the rough porn, or how to vids of whatever. DON'T TELL HER YOU'RE DOING THIS. She wants you to be the Alpha fucker, and "checking in" ain't that. At the end of the week, tell her, "The safe word is 'pineapple'" or whatever other word she won't yell accidentally. Then FUCK her.
Don't have sex, for fuck's sake don't make love, FUCK TH SHIT OUT OF HER. All that "handling problems with you mind" ain't going to work here.
She wants this so fucking bad that she said she wants go outsdie the mariage to get it. She doesn't want to TALK about it, she just wants you to take fucking control and DO IT. All the CEO Human Resource committee meetings are OUT THE WINDOW when it comes to fucking your wife. SHE WANTS YOU TO BE THE ASSHOLE when it comes o the bedroom (your not, by the way, that's just how YOU perceive it, she perceives it as strength & it ges her vagina dripping wet).
She wants to "show you" how to do it (with someone else), because she just can't conceive that you could pull it off. She doesn't see you as aggressive or dangerous or any of that. You needto really feel that fucking anger way down deep, and fuck her from that spot of anger, aggressiveness, and I-don't-give-a-fuck-about-you-I'm -fucking-you-for-ME, place.
TL;DR -
I've been through it, and trust me, I was surprised that my Standford educated, feminist wife wanted to be FUCKED, aggressively, she wants to be overpowered.
If you pull this off, head over to /r/kink or /r/bdsm. They were wonderfully helpful for me.
[deleted] 8y ago
After all th eporn ive watch since i was a kid, and the women i had before her, believe me i have seen and done a lot of thing. I could definitely give her the "i dont give a fuck about you you piece of shit" sex she wants. All she ahs to do is tell me she wants it like that and we can get something going in our regular routine. I am a highly sexual guy with lots of dirty thoughts running through his head, even for my wife.
maxofreddit 8y ago
Great to hear.
Here's to hoping that you give it to her (an yourself) good.
graffix13 8y ago
There are only really 2 ways to 'fix' this. You either:
Get a divorce (probably the best option now)
This is all probably hard to hear but your marriage is done now. There really is no going back. You can deny reality and bury your head in the sand but it's not going to change this fact.
[deleted] 8y ago
Number two is my first choice buddy, but not at the moment unfortunately. Should should have come out and said she wants this type of sex. Amybe when i came home fromwork one day i would just throw down my work bag, lock th ebedroom door and give it to her wthout saying a word.
[deleted] 8y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 8y ago
But we have had good sex for 8'years now that's what threw me for a loop. Sex most couples would kill for. And yes, it's still new. Barely a half week. Still feel the hit. I'm not even in the mood to be with her. Never felt that. I'm not a softer with her by any means, and me giving her time is not being laid back. I'm just letting her think clearly and making her realize she has to get past it. If not I gotta bail unfortunately.
hamstercide 8y ago
I was thinking, maybe there is something to this though? Maybe at some point married people get so bored of each other (and "humans aren't monogamous by default" or whatever) that sex fantasies start to run wild and women want orgies where they get fucked by ten different guys at once and stuffed in every hole? Could be that OP's SO doesn't want to cheat on him but has one of these cases on his hands.
graffix13 8y ago
No. You never own the woman...it's just your turn with her.
[deleted] 8y ago
Lots of divorce today. Say to say. Marriages end for he dumbest things.
[deleted] 8y ago
Humans naturally arent monogomous. Thats true. Marriage is a commitment created by humans. We naturally are put on this earth to do one thing....FUCK AND BREED! LOL
hamstercide 8y ago
Proofs? What's to say you can't fuck and breed with one person? Monogamy and hypergamy aren't necessarily exclusive, so long as the same alpha stays on top.
cavscout55 8y ago
Jesus, no. Go to the main sub and read the sidebar. Seriously.
[deleted] 8y ago
Will do, thanks. My first post so i never knew of it.
hamstercide 8y ago
Any specific point to make?
cavscout55 8y ago
Dude, from reading your comments you have a lot to learn. And honestly, you might not be ready for it. You seem to be defending a lot of blue pill ways of thinking. But if you want to see our point of view just go to the main sub and start reading some of the basic material. Start with some posts and then go to the sidebar.
hamstercide 8y ago
I've been on this sub for 3 years. Basically what you've said to me is that you have no substantial point to make. I've already read the sidebar. I have no clue what the fuck you are talking about or why you disagree with me though since you made no point and gave no new information.
cavscout55 8y ago
Okay find me an actual RP alpha who thinks it's totally okay his wife has an orgy where she gets fucked by 10 guys. Not gonna happen. If she wanted that it's real simple- lawyer up, divorce, move on. Any guy that's okay with his wife having a gangbang is a cuck. Yeah, I'm sure a marriage can get boring which is why you shouldn't get married. But if he's already in a marriage when he finds RP, you strive every day to better yourself regardless of your spouse. A lot of women with throw all sorts of shit tests if her beta orbiter hubby starts becoming alpha because AWALT and the hamster will go apeshit. Which is where there's occasionally discussions of "My hubby started working out and it's KILLING our marriage because now other women want to fuck him!" on /r/relationships and /r/sex. There's also LOTS of discussions by women saying "Bored in my relationship, want to fuck other guys and he's mad about it! Wtf?! I just want to find myself!" because when a girl is around men more alpha than her SO she wants to branch swing.
But when a women is in a relationship with an alpha that holds her attention, is constantly improving himself, is drooled over by other women and that passes her shit tests she (surprise, surprise) begins to lose interest in other men. She doesn't want to branch swing to less alpha men because that would mean she's run the risk of losing the man whose more alpha that the rest of them. And a gangbang is the epitome of branch swinging. This shouldn't be new to you if you've been around for 3 years.
Now if you want to make the argument "humans aren't supposed to be monogamous" then the man should end the relationship. You either believe we shouldn't be with just one person and either never get married (or divorce), or you believe that humans CAN be monogamous which means there's no need to bang other people.
In this case the wife is getting bored with her man and wants to fuck other guys. Because if she saw him work out and all her friends talked about wanting to fuck him and they had a hot and steamy bedroom every night she wouldn't get bored. So he should look into divorce, start working out and apply dread game. If he does it right she'll straighten up real quick and become a picture perfect wife. Any other answer than "That's not okay, apply dread game and brace for divorce" is Blue Pill as fuck. Don't give a shit how long you've been here. Some guys are naturally alpha and don't need any RP. Other guys really are stuck in the beta ways of thinking and need like 10 years of RP to catch up. Seems to me the fact you think it's okay for her to want to indulge her fantasies with a gangbang says you need more than 3 years of RP.
Downvote if you want. Maybe you're a troll, maybe you're just stupid, maybe you're a female trying to bring down TRP from the inside. Whatever the case- you're BP as fuck.
hamstercide 8y ago
I agree with all that you said but you're projecting a lot of shit there. I wasn't giving advice nor was I saying what the wife was doing was ok. My comment was a question on human nature as a whole though, entertaining a thought as it were.
Enjoy your dick in your hand this Friday night, btw.
cavscout55 8y ago
And now you're reduce to petty masturbation jokes. Good job, buddy. You totally win.
hamstercide 8y ago
"Win"? You sound like an autist.