Wedding=The WWE Wrestlemania of Attention Whoring

A wedding used to be the property transference of a$$ from father to taker. It was transactional with the buyer getting lock, stock and barrel in exchange for his commitment to feed said property and resultant children. A wedding was woman's celebration of security via slavery.

In 'modern times' the man gets nothing but a shitstorm for his troubles. They are brides of the State.

A "husband" is another word for "clown".

I commented on how weird it was that people got "engagement photo shoots" once and everyone looked at me like I just kicked a puppy. Look, it's weird. Get married, and be happy that you are. But stop trying to make your life look like a fancy fairytale on social media, because it seems like you're just projecting insecurity about how real life actually is. I understand wanting to share happiness with friends...but dropping a couple grand so you can get a photoshoot before the wedding even happens is weird.

I want a simple wedding with family and friends. Save all the money that we would spend on useless shit that no one will remember after a week and put a down payment on a house. Make a real, poignant step towards building a real life, not bending to social pressure to have the fanciest everything to one-up your friends.

I've always had this hypothetical poll question for women. You can either get (a. Your dream wedding and the marriage will last 5 years?) or (b. You could have a very cheap wedding and the marriage will last the rest of your life?) I've always wondered how many women would say, "a".

Don't EVER marry, a man has absolutely NOTHING to gain being tied legally to a depreciating, extremely volatile asset, they on the other hand have a right to take away every single thing from you.

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you are on it my friend, thank you. this will serve me well later in life, I am sure

If you do not know whether she's going go Bridezilla on you or not before showing her the ring, then you don't know her nearly well enough to ring her finger. If you are her e-peen proxy to compare with her girlfriends' men, then she's at best a plate, and really should be nexted because who needs that made-up drama shit?

One loose proxy on what she might be like in a marriage is to judge how strong she holds frame against the onslaught of mainstream media. If she happily still fills her days with productive endeavors with at no TV at all (not even over-the-air), no pop magazine subscriptions, no constant pop radio filling the air, only watches fewer than a handful of shows over the Net (and infrequently at that), and no steady diet of trash books, then that's one of many indications you should look for that she is not as susceptible to the enormously distorted media messages that flood mainstream Western women's daily lives. Judge what she regularly reads on the Net on the same criteria. Another indicator is how many of her friends are the same way. Yet another indicator is how she fills her day with all those distractions out of the way, and especially how she fills it with you.

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You guys in here are having an anxiety fit over this shit, put your fucking foot down in the relationship, that's all it takes, I've seen some long ass marriages and some failures and I'm telling you now just put your foot down and pick a girl with traditional values.

The frame that floats marriage is two fold; captain and first mate in front of the crew and father, daughter when you're alone.

Red pill is about recognizing the truth and many take that as saying we are all subject to the nature of women and we should learn to cope with it but one true power of man kind is the ability to bring about change. If a woman can change a man, a man can change a woman. I've seen it happen (although you can't change a whore) both ways.

My great grandfather and his 4 children all stayed married until they're spouses died or the father started a second family, and my grand mother was still devoted to that man. 90% of those next kids (my parents' generation) couldn't keep a relationship together and that's because they were around when the common morality began shifting to be pro sex, and they whored about.

You are correct. I love it when they say "it's MY day". Um no it's our day. Find a woman who want the marriage and not the wedding and you've found a keeper.

Just got back from Vegas... FML their is nothing more cringe worthy than a Bachelorette party it gets pretty pathetic.

Engagement rings are a scam.

I have always said that women want to be married, but they don't want a husband. Women today are too much into themselves. It is all about them. Marriage has become a means to make them happy, and when the "husband" can no longer make them happy, they leave.

When my dad and stepmom got married, they rented out a dive bar for a few hundred dollars, served gumbo and Shiner at the reception, and wore clothes you could get at TJ Maxx. Everyone had a wonderful time; my stepmom was still the primary focus of the event, and they had a lot more money to spend remodeling their house that they'll probably live in for the rest of their lives rather than having spent it on people they won't know in five years.

To think that in my very early 20s I had began saving up for when I would get married in my late 20s, because I wanted her to have the wedding of her dreams with every single detail she would've wanted, all of this in gratitude for finally being the one in recognizing me as the amazing, giving and caring man I was so sure I was (and well, I wasn't so far off, just that didn't realize back then it didn't matter shit until she would be in her 30s, and in her eyes as a consolation prize as that), also a honeymoon for a week or two to whenever we both wanted in the world.

Most of that money flew into moving out to another country to get a better job, also fixing the car from a crash and a busted engine when the city got flooded and God knows what else.

That's a great point! I've been there, done that, and entirely agree with what you've said.

Women should have to pay like a $10k or $20k fine if they want to divorce because "im bored". A legitimate case of abuse that is documented should be free of course.

Alimony should only be given if she is physically disabled form spousal abuse

Possessions not in her name should not be given to her

Child custody should be 50/50 default with the dad in charge. He has a house while she doesn't.

Gentlemen, if you must marry, find a girl who couldn't give a shit less about the gaud and showiness that will cost 99% of men tens of thousands of dollars.

And when you find your special unicorn, I have some Florida condo timeshares and some Enron stock to sell to you.

MGTOW for life. All she is a plate that I'm spinning. Fuck male slavery;er, I meant marriage.

No shit Sherlock. It's on TV for crying out loud. My Fair Wedding

The woman in the vid isn't slightly interested in submitting herself to her husband, instead she wants a Marie Antoinette based wedding. Not to mention the fiancé isn't even in the room to coordinate the plans. This marriage has about the same chance as a roll of 2-ply toilet paper has to make it to the bottom of the ocean while staying dry.

Quite astute for a fellow in his mid 20's. Don't you ever get married.

This is a bit extreme in my opinion. I found the post very hard to upvote because although I can see some truth, I think it very biased against women. It is very possible for a woman to be excited about the idea of a wedding and be fully aware of what it means to live a marriage. I mean, are we assuming that there are no men out there who are very into the idea of a wedding? How do we justify that a woman is a "good woman" on the basis of the fact that she happens to not be attracted to the idea of an extravagant ceremony?

To illustrate from a personal situation. I am very much excited at the idea of being a PhD later in life. The title itself has a strong significance for me which dates back to as far as I can remember. That is not to say I do not love my field or do not appreciate the work it will take to get there. In fact if I never do complete a doctorate degree in my field, I will nonetheless be very happy because of what I learned during my attempt there. However I know for a fact when I will be recognized as such, I will be immensely happy, not necessarily because I worked to get there, no, because of what it has always meant to me.

I don't know. I am very new to this sub. Perhaps it just isn't what i thought it was.

They want bragging right's. Plain and simple...

This is so true. I have a friend who started planning her wedding when we were 14, found the first guy who would marry her at 22, and had a beautiful very detailed wedding. Life after has not been so great.

There are so many things I would rather do than have an over-the-top Pinterest-y wedding. Down payment on a house, new/used car that's good for kids, or money for the first baby would all be way more priorities. I plan to have a pretty but inexpensive dress, fun little reception, and nice church ceremony for hopefully less than a couple grand.

My wedding had a price tag of about $3,000 and we hosted about 200 people. That's the decorations, hall, food, and even the DJ. We succeeded in this by me being strict with how much money we would be able to spend on everything. Now granted my father-in-law footed a decent chunk of the bill, I didn't feel it was right to spend his hard earned cash on the usual dumb shit that gets needlessly thrown into wedding. In the end we had one of the best wedding most of our guests had ever been to and all it took was me setting a budget and not budging.

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It's strange my girlfriend doesn't want a fancy ring, doesn't even really want a ceremony but perhaps a small after party with some people and would rather spend the money on an awesome honeymoon. She just wants to get married and really wants to walk down the registry office to make it happen.

That said we are not getting married.

My wife and I eloped. She didn't care about a big wedding as long as we were getting married. I highly recommend eloping rather than wasting all that money.

Case in point: 3 years after their wedding, my brother's wife's Facebook profile picture (AND cover photo) are still the ones from the wedding.

Reminds me of the more and more ridiculous prom "proposals" kids are doing nowadays..

Most (90+%) of marketing is to women. They love to buy things and don't think critically when making purchases. ALL of the wedding bullshit is unnecessary but god forbid they have less of a wedding than their friends, their lives would be ruined.

This is what post partum depression is. Women gets pregnant and has an influx of happy hormones from the pregnancy. Friends, parents and the rest of the world kiss her ass for nine months and soon after the baby is born she is stuck without friends and without special treatment getting no sleep and changing diapers 24/7. She gets depressed because the gravy train has left and the party's over.

After the wedding there is a big comedown of being married, something you actually have to work at and they don't consider that.

It gets worse than this. Your entire marriage becomes one giant race to prove your value. If a woman isn't getting praise and attention for having a badass husband, you lose points.

That's right. She'll ride you daily to keep you from going to the gym (because you're not paying attention to her when you're there), but if you get a pot belly and lose your muscles and her friends stop being jealous of how fine her husband is, you're not giving her social status any more and she divorces you. And eventually, you're going to get old naturally and go gray, or go bald, or get wrinkles, or have a harder time staying muscular, and if you're too much older than she is and she and her friends aren't ugly by then, too, same deal.

If you're not constantly a social badass and the envy of the town -- if the neighbors don't like you and want to be you, and her friends aren't constantly talking within earshot of your wife about how awesome her husband is, you're costing her social points. If you keep to yourself, go to work, do your job, come home, and take care of your family, but your wife's social circle thinks you're antisocial and not much fun, you lose. She divorces you.

Oh, and if you ever, ever lose your job and haven't found a better one in about 30 seconds, she's divorcing you.

Once you marry her, she can do whatever the fuck she wants. She can piss all over you, and you have to take it. Because your only way out is to walk, and if you walk, she gets your expensive house, your children, half of the wealth you've worked your entire life to accrue, and child support payments for the next decade or two. And not only do you have to take it. You have to fucking smile and pretend you like it. Because if you make too much of an issue about her pissing on you, she'll file herself and get your house, kids, half your shit, and support payments.

So you're stuck being a badass for the rest of forever, while your disillusioned wife never fucks you and pisses all over you. You lose if your value ever slips. You lose if you complain. You lose if you fuck someone else. It's a losing venture.

Just wait until you are in your late 20s through early 30s. I'm not exaggerating when I say that 90% of your friends who are getting married now will be divorced by then. And the majority of those divorces are due to the females hypergamy.

I still won't completely dismiss marriage though. A handful of guys I know have gotten lucky and married women that are great wives and mothers to their children, so I know they exist.

I strongly believe that most women lack the fundamental ability to look past the gaud of their fantasy weddings and honeymoons and the influx of praise and attention they receive from their peers at their announcements and ceremonies and this lack of foresight leads to a declining marriage (read: not haaaapy anymore).

Sorry, but blaming this selfish and repulsive behavior on a woman's inherent nature will not fix the problem at hand. I agree with you, 100%, that the obsession with weddings, rings, dresses, etc, is repulsive. Why women even do that makes no sense to me. When I imagine my future, I don't even think for 5 seconds about the ring, dress, honeymoon, party, whatever. Who gives a shit? Why don't women fantasize about the various stages of their long term relationship. This is what I dream/fantasize about when I think of a future with my SO..

• Moving in together, and working together to create a nice and happy lifestyle
• Doing the boring, domestic, every day things together so that neither of us are never unhappy, we have everything under control, a working system which promotes harmony
• Coming home after a long days work, whipping up a delicious yet effortless meal for him, sitting at the table and discussing our plans for our next project, or just our day
• Spending the weekends going out and having fun, trying new things, or staying at home and relaxing, or spending some time working on our latest projects
• Moving across the country because he or I find a job in silicon valley, beginning a new chapter in our lives and taking a leap together (at least the weather is nice!) if that were to happen
• Moving back to the east coast to finally settle down and be more present in our family's lives...or visiting our families quite often in our twenties if we decide to stay close
• Getting pets...we have a deal...one dog, and one cat, except he hates cats, so he will give a cat a chance for a few months and if he doesnt like the cat we will give it up to another family.
• Having a DINK lifestyle for our twenties, affording nice things we want, and fun vacations
• Getting a house, having kids, being present in those kids lives, juggling career and kids so that life doesnt get too hard, saving and being smart about our money so we are not struggling
• Growing old together in general

This is what women should fantasize about. This is what a lifetime of being together is. Not that shit about weddings. Why dont women think like this?? WHY

I believe the solution to the problem is bridzilla shaming. Bascially when a woman gets too obsessive over her ideas of a perfect wedding, dress, ring, etc, shame her by making her feel like the materialistic shallow person that she really is. By shaming her to feel bad for fantasizing about the shallow things, and encouraging her to imagine instead a lifelong plan for happiness, not a plan for a exhilarating 12 hours that a wedding actually is. However many hours there is in a life time, a wedding is such a minuscule, insignificant portion of that. Remind her that her lifetime of happiness isnt based on a day of joy. That she will be in misery if she doesnt get her fucking priorities straight and think about and plan for the important things.

Women shouldn't be rewarded for being shallow and materialistic. Why society rewards that is honestly BEYOND me...