Its a simple yet effective little trick. The way now is, even having tons of workload from your job, or spending time getting ripped, practicing a punch-two is not enough, you have to consciously use it, because even the 10 seconds you're free its more than enough to text. My current roommate is texting pretty much all-day long and he hasn't fucked in years. Just by texting you'll miss out on lays and lose girls.
Holy shit, since when TRP has adopted (and massively upvotes) the deep-blue-pill shaming social convention consisting of calling out male seduction under the infamous umbrella expression “playing games”??
Go back to the mgtow subreddit with your thinly-veiled anti-Game rethoric. Over there you won’t be wasting your time reading posts on how to get girls and keep them horny since that’s a topic you have obviously no interest in.
He's not necessarily using "playing games" in a shameful way. Stop being so sensitive.
He's right that the best thing to do is to actually have a life. Purposefully ignoring her may achieve the same result but in the end it's just an artificial way to achieve what should be happening naturally. And what do you want to call this artificial way? Playing games is a fine term.
Absolutely this. If you’re obviously ignoring her with nothing else to do, she can usually tell. But if you make it obvious that she is just very low on your list of priorities, she will work harder to get higher on there.
It's pretty easy to 'fake' things like this. I used to post fake insta stories all the time. When in actual fact, I'm in my boxers playing CoD or fifa all day in my parents basement.
With instagram, airbnb, hotels, hookers, & super car rentals. You can pretty much fake anything.
Heck, you can even hit up instagram chicks and pay them to fuck you.
The general idea is not that you're being a sulky little bitch, it's that her actions have genuinely made you less enthusiastic about her. They have revealed traits that you do not find favorable.
In turn, you then treat her like someone you are now less attracted to. This may entail entertaining other options, or simply not making the time for her seeing as she has lost favor( and therefore the privelege of your keen attention).
This is the difference between needy guys trying to win their unicorn back and guys who have options and better uses of their time.
Good plate? Sweet girl, satisfies you sexually and emotionally? Get along with her well, treats you like royalty, never gives you any drama?
Ignore her for a while. Maybe half a year. You don’t need an excuse, just disappear. Go game other girls, don’t get complacent. Ignore her frantic calls and texts, make her think she’s lost you forever. She’ll stress all night for weeks over what she did to screw up, truth is, she didn’t do anything to deserve it; you’re just messing with her.
Completely a game, dude. He's not talking about ignoring her because he doesn't give a shit about her. He's talking about fucking with her head on purpose even though he enjoys the relationship.
Well I have to say that "flipwater" has a point. In general this suggestion is pretty weird:
Good plate? Sweet girl, satisfies you sexually and emotionally? Get along with her well, treats you like royalty, never gives you any drama?
Ignore her for a while. Maybe half a year.
Like, why would you sabotage a good thing...? It's almost like saying "You must drop plates which make no sense to drop that you can truly be red pilled". Also why would you punish good behaviour?
That part of the original post just doesn't make sense even in logical part of the brain. Otherwise it's a great post.
a million times this. Who cares? Plenty of pussy in the sea. It applies as much to plates as LTRs too. LTR is just a plate who treats you a bit better and you treat her a bit better. But she should know her place, which is, definitely not a focus of your life.
Some of the first good dating advice I ever got was my friend who told me, “Kierkegaard says, people are attracted to that which retreats from them.”
You better believe it can work both ways too - girls absolutely use this on guys they like. And guys can use it on other guys.
I don’t think ignoring should replace having real discussions when you don’t like some aspect of a relationship however. You have to communicate your needs and be willing to listen to what the other parties have to say (though not necessarily agree and accept)
Making yourself scarcer is always going to make you more valuable. But don’t use it as a cop out to avoid having real talks.
I didn’t use that term, but thank you for the comment. I’ve reflected on whether having a straightforward dialogue undermines me in some way.
There are in fact people I don’t communicate honestly with, because they’re not capable of handling it. But by and large, I’ve been able to get a lot more of what I want from my relationships (including platonic friendships) by directly stating my desires, without getting emotional.
Running from conflict is cowardly, and causes things to fester up inside me as resentments. I’d rather just say “I don’t like this shit” than ignore someone for weeks to try to manipulate them into realizing I didn’t like some shit. I did do things like that when I was younger - it came from a place of insecurity wherein I believed that showing any vulnerability would make me appear weak and totally unattractive. But actually, having feelings and being unafraid to risk conflict got me better results than trying to be a Machiavellian robot.
Got two girls at work whose heads are spinning because I dropped my attention for them. They make comments, ask other co workers or talk to them about it. Its crack for them. In my case these 2 girls play too much and if they arent down to fuck then I'm moving on which is what is happening. Now they won't leave me alone to the point where if roles were reversed I'd likely be in trouble for being a creep who won't leave the girls who dont like him alone.
Fuck your co-worker, things don't work out. You stop fucking, she's sour about it.
Suddenly it's a hostile work environment, you're "being mean" at work, your colleagues are talking shit about you. Any little slip up you make, she'll run it to management.
Who are they going to believe, if you try to defend yourself?
And you remember, this is a gynocentric, metoo culture we live in. Not saying not to do it, just make sure your fall back/ defense is as solid as you think it is.
Don't feel like you're surrounded by enemies, there are still many men (and women) that don't buy the metoo bullshit as evidenced by online communites like this one. A lot of people are just scared to speak up in real life - if you find yourself in a precarious position try telling the truth to those around you and see what support you get. You might be surprised.
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In addition to social support, courts where I live generally uphold the truth and logic over emotions and story telling if it gets that far.
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Getting fired for a false rape allegation or due to workplace bullying/conspiracy can be retaliated against through legal process. Obviously not an ideal situation to be in but if it gives me the freedom to seduce who I want when I want then it's a small price to pay.
The only thing I can see getting you fired would be a sexual harassment complaint to HR. I've only ever slept with one coworker but my general rule these days it to always text "Hey, I had a good time tonight, let's do it again sometime". When they respond they're documenting the fact that they also had a good time and no shady shit went on.
You're more than welcome to do what you want. You know your company better than I do.
I'm lucky to have a manager that told me he reads TRP (not the subreddit, but books), so I'm more confident in my defence. Even then, I won't be making the mistake of getting involved with a colleague again.
Yes, I've been there. Not to that extent, but it's still not worth it.
I'm still not 100% sure what you are worried will happen - is it simply a false sexual assault allegation or an office politics movement against you? Or something else?
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I'm not sure choosing behaviours based on fear will lead a person to the life of safety and security that they desire. Obviously sometimes it is prudent to make decisions based on risk analysis (in other words fear).
Office politics and impartiality are my main concerns. I prefer not to get too involved with my colleagues outside of work, if I can help it. Sleeping with one of them forms too much of an emotional connection I'd prefer not to form in the first place.
Also, my colleagues are all married with children, post-wall etc. I'm the youngest in the office, so better options are available outside of work.
there's a balance. You can't appear to be sulking and pouting. It has to feel like you genuinely don't care that much and you'll get to her when you get to her.
Shit.. That sounds awesome. I'm new.. How do I get rid of my need to have a resolution, and stop caring? But I started this with my wife recently, and I think its working.
Have you checked out married redpill? They also have their own askmrp sub. I think you might do better over there with implementing what you learn here. If you try to start doing what you read here, your wife who is expecting her dependable beta will give you heaps of shit because you're changing too fast. It won't be pleasant for you. It's better to slowly implement the redpill if you're married or in an LTR.
The bigger issue you're going to run into is that it's almost impossible to transition from BP to RP while in the same relationship. It's a delicate process and one misstep will have you signing divorce papers.
Yeah, this. It's pretty easy to fall from a RP mindset into BP hell when starting an LTR, but it's impossible to climb back out once you have. Give an inch they take a mile and you will not get it back with the relationship intact. You have to maintain RP always for an LTR and I unfortunately am not at that level yet.
Thats good to know. I'll start looking for the long route to reach it.. Hmm that explains some of our fights lately, she does like to threaten divorce in some fights, maybe i'll take her up on that and see how she responds. I don't know, but she is a tom boy and we butt heads alot since me wanting to be RP. Maybe there is no other way.
Good luck buddy, read some more about how marriages need to be treated when trying to red pill them as it’s a different approach. Hope for the best, prepare for the worse.
Attention that women want involve interaction, be it positive or negative. They want their action to have reactions.
You can ignore someone 2 inches from your face. As long as you give them the interaction equivalent to what you would give a gray pebble on the road, then you are doing fine.
what my dad taught me... never give her the emotion she expects. instead, give her a "blank piece of paper," i.e., NOTHING to feed her emotional wants/needs.
Beautiful post. You must be at a certain level to pull this move off. Anyone can do it, but low SMV men will fail at this tactic every time. Think of this as more of an “advanced” move.
If your SMV is high enough once you take your attention away from her she will start hamstering “he’s definitely seeing other girls” etc type of thoughts (women love chasing men who are wanted by other women). If your SMV is not high enough she may just replace the attention you gave her with one of her orbiters.
Yeah, I would add that caveat, that if she calls/texts after you've cut contact, that's an act of submission and there's usually no reason to carry on ignoring after that.
I am slowly even wondering if anyone on this forum gets laid.
Do you really thing hundreds of people are simply lying about them doing what they post here?
When you act like nothing is up, what half brained bitch is going to take “I was busy” as an excuse. Too busy to answer one of 50 calls? Too busy to text a casual dry text back. More like too big of a pussy to admit you’re playing games you read on an online forum.
Keyword "act like nothing is up". It's better to really be busy, rather than falsely pretend you are.
How is saying you are busy bad? Should you say "sorry, I was busy, too much work, been helping my mother, and my uncle's dog best friend died". You were busy, and that's all that needs to be said.
If you want to next people do it, this autistic shit works in forums but not in real life.
Ever fuck a girl once or twice but push her away because you really didn’t want to deal her with anymore? These are the girls you can’t get rid of, and it’s because you are unknowingly doing what OP just described. And as a result these girls will chase you to the ends of the earth. Meanwhile you have an HB9 that you’re trying to impress. You take her out to nice dinners, you’re always on time and never play games, and bam! She hard nexts you. Makes no’s sense, right? Actually it make perfect sense.
Lesson: Do this with the HB9s. Act like you don’t like her, make her pay for her own dinner and don’t be so fucking dependable. Do everything OP said to do but mix it up. You have to pull some so you have something to push.
For newer TRPers: it is so important not to explain yourself after the fact. Dont use it as an excuse to point out her shitty behavior, dont provide justifications or rationale, and don't engage in any arguments about it.
You use their own tactics against them and gaslight her. Act like you did nothing wrong, and if she tries to talk about it start getting frustrated like see this is why I cant be around you and walk away
This is an excellent point of clarification. I did this a week ago to two plates. I had to intensely focus on work for about a week and didn't want to be bothered with them and lose focus. Just prior to that, I drank irresponsibly, which isn't normal for me. I didn't contact them during that period either. So for about 10 days, for good reasons and bad reasons, I didn't contact them. They freaked, thought I was with other women, and have been desperately trying to see me. When they asked what was wrong and why I disappeared, I just said I was tied up with work. I acted annoyed about it and said you have to understand that I get busy sometimes and not be clingy if you want to be with me. I didn't apologize, express regret for a few nights of drinking, or do anything else to rationalize my behavior. Worked perfectly, even though I hadn't planned to ignore them. As women often say, "it just happened." Oh, and I did fuck a third plate during this period when I had a bit of downtime from work.
Ignore the question. If she keeps bringing it up, ask "would you rather have no makeup, no phone or no dick for 2 weeks?" Her answer is always going to be no dick. Tell her "see? did you a favor" with a shit-eating grin on your face.
Well if you really were too busy too talk to her, it's a good thing she knows that. If not, however, explaining yourself would be "I don't like your attitude lately so I don't see much point in talking to you until you figure out how to be on good behavior", which is bad. The withdrawal of attention will be enough of a clue.
This definitely works. I did this to my senior prom date for like a week after prom and when I talked to her again she acted like I was the best thing that ever happened to her.
Works so smoothly.
Actually, a girl was acting bitchy. So, ignored her. She asked for my Facebook. I didn't respond. She sent another message the next day. I ignored. No contact after that.
This was 3 months ago.
I read this post today and thought I should apply it. So, I texted her. She is responding like nothing happened. And not all all bitchy. Women! Hahaha. Amaze me every time.
What if the first time you tried to organise a meetup over text she ghosted/ flaked? I read here that if she sees no value in your attention initially, then it's pointless regardless. Wouldn't coming back round just reinforce that assumption?
You need to have them invested a bit already. This will most likely not work after a date or two unless she had really high interest after the short time. That type of interest usually takes a bit more time than a date or two. Usually.
Instead I would switch over the dark grey/charcoal used in “trp.” and “the red pill network” with the beige header background ... would look MUCH better
It workes for plates who are not shitty to you. I can see new TRP followers asking this in the asktrp thread.
"She's really mean to me, but an EC said I should cut contact and get in touch with her 3 months late, then her attraction will skyrocket. Will it work?"
Theres a difference between being actually secure living your own life attracting women through innate magnetism vs anxiously forcing avoidance to manipulate attachments.
You miss the point. In EVERY relationship in whatever form, be it even just hookups, the woman will everntually break past the innate magnatism and alter the terms of the arraignment. It's natural for them and is what drives lock-down behaviors. These days such alterations almost universally are at the expense of the man, so avoidance techniques are critical. This is one such technique.
Projecting “distinerest” for your sense of detachment can only take you so far for so long. You’ll perpetually attract anxiously attached women who at some level, won’t respect you. Healthy women won’t chase you or make you chase, they’ll be a rationally balanced dance
You can't project. That's passive aggressive bullshit. You have to be serious about dropping it in a heartbeat.
anxiously attached women
All women are anxiously attached to all things. It's their ground state. There is nothing wrong with that. It's part of a survival instinct that defends the human race. Stop driving your bus over other women that are The Other. There is no The Other.
Haha no not the enemy, though it is helpful to be able to navigate the world knowing how the psychology of others works. (I tend to believe the best out of everyone so understanding their intentions and vetting carefully is helpful.) i found this through the women’s red pill subreddit which goes deeper into self improvement and is very blunt but ultimately a really positive force, I followed a lot of advice on there and am now in the best relationship ever! He’s redpilled in the sense that he’s a fantastic leader, independent, honest, strong, sexy, masculine, etc. but he’s a wonderful boyfriend and will be a great father, which is where we’re headed, so I cant be totally mad at the red pill haha
Some women go crazy with surgery or makeup and look like utterly different people, but most women don’t look drastically different done up, which can only take you so far anyway before they eventually see them natural. Besides, there are plenty of men who are well dressed, well groomed, grow out beards and spend time at the barber that would look far less attractive if they neglected appearances. In fact it’s more noticeable for men I’d argue, since makeup is the norm for women but men have maintained themselves less and less over the years. (Not bashing, it actually makes the field less competitive.) My point is that purposefully feigning avoidance to trigger anxiety in others seems like a ploy rooted in fear of rejection or lack of control. It might string some women along but I’d imagine would create some patterns that probably wont be satisfying after a while because you’ll believe they dont want you but the roller coaster you manipulated them onto. The most attractive guys are ones who are secure, neither anxious and clingy nor avoidant and fearful. Being actually busy doing shit is great, live your life, be productive, enjoy it. You can attract women from that persepctive and at least feel proud of it, knowing its based in who you are and not smoke and mirrors.
whole industries exist for women to have 'smoke & mirrors.' i can't believe you're actually trying to equate a guy growing out a beard to the hundreds, if not thousands of things women do to fool people about their real appearance.
youtube it. see some very average looking women transform themselves. i couldn't believe some of them.
Im saying appearances are incomparable to behavior, especially if it’s falsified to feign detachment. As far as makeup, for sure, women definitely have more versatility. Its in their nature to want to beautify themselves and things around them. Though most girls arent doing the youtube wizardry that transforms them into a practically alien race, but im sure if men could do the same in a way that didnt compromise masculinity theyd be all over it
"...could do the same," but we don't/can't and it doesn't matter to women.
what woman wants a man that's in the mirror applying shit to his face like her... to pretty himself up?
and appearances ARE comparable to behavior. i know women with zero confidence if they're not caked up with that bullshit on their faces. they literally call it, "putting on my face."
it's in their nature to DECEIVE. let me see you without all the bullshit... let me fall in love with you... the person. but to do that, you KNOW you need to attract us physically, so we don't see the truth until the following morning when you've slept and left the makeup on the pillow.
women rely on their cunning and on make-up... both designed to deceive.
If you fall in love with someone based just on how they look with some lipstick on, that’s on you. Though I do contend that to fall in love with someone, both people need to be able to be vulnerable. If a woman’s confidence is solely based in whether shes wearing makeup that’s certainly unhealthy. If a man’s confidence is solely rooted in his ability to pose as preoccupied, he’s probably not as alpha as he thinks he is. Like attracts like
Zech4riah 6y ago
What's the point in this case...?
Otherwise, excellent recap.
Reconnecting2 6y ago
Good to see you’re back with a new post.. always quality
KeffirLime 6y ago
Attention is currency for a female, she want's it, infact she needs it.
Withdrawing it is like feeding cocaine to her hamster. Does he still like me? Does he still want me? Has he lost interest? Has he found someone else?
Seesawing the amount of attention you give her in proportion to her behavior is still the most effective training.
YngWn 6y ago
Its a simple yet effective little trick. The way now is, even having tons of workload from your job, or spending time getting ripped, practicing a punch-two is not enough, you have to consciously use it, because even the 10 seconds you're free its more than enough to text. My current roommate is texting pretty much all-day long and he hasn't fucked in years. Just by texting you'll miss out on lays and lose girls.
throwawaybpdnpd 6y ago
Being really busy is even more powerful than “ignoring” them, because it’s more authentic and higher SMV than playing games
redpillcad 6y ago
OP never said dont be busy. He said not to give her mindshare.
Puuuuulenty of betas out there who are successful in their careers and are treated like a wallet at home.
He said that part of your time and attention that goes to pussy should go to other pussy.
Auvergnat 6y ago
Holy shit, since when TRP has adopted (and massively upvotes) the deep-blue-pill shaming social convention consisting of calling out male seduction under the infamous umbrella expression “playing games”??
Go back to the mgtow subreddit with your thinly-veiled anti-Game rethoric. Over there you won’t be wasting your time reading posts on how to get girls and keep them horny since that’s a topic you have obviously no interest in.
MMDT 6y ago
He's not necessarily using "playing games" in a shameful way. Stop being so sensitive.
He's right that the best thing to do is to actually have a life. Purposefully ignoring her may achieve the same result but in the end it's just an artificial way to achieve what should be happening naturally. And what do you want to call this artificial way? Playing games is a fine term.
Nomsonfacekcool 6y ago
Absolutely this. If you’re obviously ignoring her with nothing else to do, she can usually tell. But if you make it obvious that she is just very low on your list of priorities, she will work harder to get higher on there.
the99percent1 6y ago
No she can't.
It's pretty easy to 'fake' things like this. I used to post fake insta stories all the time. When in actual fact, I'm in my boxers playing CoD or fifa all day in my parents basement.
With instagram, airbnb, hotels, hookers, & super car rentals. You can pretty much fake anything.
Heck, you can even hit up instagram chicks and pay them to fuck you.
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throwlaca 6y ago
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You have shitty parents. You wont last half an hour playing fifa in my basement.
the99percent1 6y ago
Smoking weed too. Those were legit the best days of my life.
good_guy_submitter 6y ago
This x100 if there are attractive women that you know personally at xyz location where you are busy.
KeffirLime 6y ago
The general idea is not that you're being a sulky little bitch, it's that her actions have genuinely made you less enthusiastic about her. They have revealed traits that you do not find favorable.
In turn, you then treat her like someone you are now less attracted to. This may entail entertaining other options, or simply not making the time for her seeing as she has lost favor( and therefore the privelege of your keen attention).
This is the difference between needy guys trying to win their unicorn back and guys who have options and better uses of their time.
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flipwater 6y ago
Except for the ignoring of the good plate, that's clearly just a game.
Auvergnat 6y ago
You know we call seduction skills “Game” right?
flipwater 6y ago
Of course. The original comment in this thread was talking about playing games, not "game AKA seduction skills".
KeffirLime 6y ago
Plates you ignore because you don't give a shit about them, you stop ignoring them when you wanna fuck them again.
Not too much game involved.
flipwater 6y ago
Completely a game, dude. He's not talking about ignoring her because he doesn't give a shit about her. He's talking about fucking with her head on purpose even though he enjoys the relationship.
xddm2653 6y ago
And then he explains it's to give her mind the drama she craves; keep things interesting. Cant make her too complacent
KeffirLime 6y ago
I'm referring to responding to this dynamic.
In this context
It's not a game, it's game. It either works or it doesn't, and in this case it certainly does.
Zech4riah 6y ago
Well I have to say that "flipwater" has a point. In general this suggestion is pretty weird:
Like, why would you sabotage a good thing...? It's almost like saying "You must drop plates which make no sense to drop that you can truly be red pilled". Also why would you punish good behaviour?
That part of the original post just doesn't make sense even in logical part of the brain. Otherwise it's a great post.
KeffirLime 6y ago
Personally wouldn't drop a good plate either, but think he's just driving home the point of low investment, non complacency and maintained abundance.
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kevinkemple 6y ago
but wont most women just loose interest and move on as well?
russian_nigger 6y ago
of course they will. that's why you have to have options. and even if you don't who cares.
wobbleelbbow 6y ago
a million times this. Who cares? Plenty of pussy in the sea. It applies as much to plates as LTRs too. LTR is just a plate who treats you a bit better and you treat her a bit better. But she should know her place, which is, definitely not a focus of your life.
Pooptrition 6y ago
Some of the first good dating advice I ever got was my friend who told me, “Kierkegaard says, people are attracted to that which retreats from them.”
You better believe it can work both ways too - girls absolutely use this on guys they like. And guys can use it on other guys.
I don’t think ignoring should replace having real discussions when you don’t like some aspect of a relationship however. You have to communicate your needs and be willing to listen to what the other parties have to say (though not necessarily agree and accept)
Making yourself scarcer is always going to make you more valuable. But don’t use it as a cop out to avoid having real talks.
redpillcad 6y ago
Found the bluepiller who has healthy relationships talking things out with his equal partner.
Pooptrition 6y ago
I didn’t use that term, but thank you for the comment. I’ve reflected on whether having a straightforward dialogue undermines me in some way.
There are in fact people I don’t communicate honestly with, because they’re not capable of handling it. But by and large, I’ve been able to get a lot more of what I want from my relationships (including platonic friendships) by directly stating my desires, without getting emotional.
Running from conflict is cowardly, and causes things to fester up inside me as resentments. I’d rather just say “I don’t like this shit” than ignore someone for weeks to try to manipulate them into realizing I didn’t like some shit. I did do things like that when I was younger - it came from a place of insecurity wherein I believed that showing any vulnerability would make me appear weak and totally unattractive. But actually, having feelings and being unafraid to risk conflict got me better results than trying to be a Machiavellian robot.
redpillcad 6y ago
Perhaps you know everything. You are more than welcome to try out your healthy communication skills with women and treat them as equals.
Best of luck
dumbkidaccount 6y ago
Just ignore her bro and hold frames
BlazerMan420 6y ago
Got two girls at work whose heads are spinning because I dropped my attention for them. They make comments, ask other co workers or talk to them about it. Its crack for them. In my case these 2 girls play too much and if they arent down to fuck then I'm moving on which is what is happening. Now they won't leave me alone to the point where if roles were reversed I'd likely be in trouble for being a creep who won't leave the girls who dont like him alone.
That_Deaf_Guy 6y ago
Don't shit where you eat, unless you don't give a fuck about your job.
Cods_gift_to_reddit 6y ago
... explain how one would lose their job by fucking coworkers
That_Deaf_Guy 6y ago
Is everybody fucking new in this tread?
Fuck your co-worker, things don't work out. You stop fucking, she's sour about it.
Suddenly it's a hostile work environment, you're "being mean" at work, your colleagues are talking shit about you. Any little slip up you make, she'll run it to management.
Who are they going to believe, if you try to defend yourself?
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loloLogic 6y ago
And you remember, this is a gynocentric, metoo culture we live in. Not saying not to do it, just make sure your fall back/ defense is as solid as you think it is.
Cods_gift_to_reddit 6y ago
Very true. Fall back/defence needs to be solid.
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Don't feel like you're surrounded by enemies, there are still many men (and women) that don't buy the metoo bullshit as evidenced by online communites like this one. A lot of people are just scared to speak up in real life - if you find yourself in a precarious position try telling the truth to those around you and see what support you get. You might be surprised.
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In addition to social support, courts where I live generally uphold the truth and logic over emotions and story telling if it gets that far.
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Getting fired for a false rape allegation or due to workplace bullying/conspiracy can be retaliated against through legal process. Obviously not an ideal situation to be in but if it gives me the freedom to seduce who I want when I want then it's a small price to pay.
Marketing_Baboon 6y ago
The only thing I can see getting you fired would be a sexual harassment complaint to HR. I've only ever slept with one coworker but my general rule these days it to always text "Hey, I had a good time tonight, let's do it again sometime". When they respond they're documenting the fact that they also had a good time and no shady shit went on.
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That_Deaf_Guy 6y ago
You're more than welcome to do what you want. You know your company better than I do.
I'm lucky to have a manager that told me he reads TRP (not the subreddit, but books), so I'm more confident in my defence. Even then, I won't be making the mistake of getting involved with a colleague again.
Yes, I've been there. Not to that extent, but it's still not worth it.
Cods_gift_to_reddit 6y ago
I'm still not 100% sure what you are worried will happen - is it simply a false sexual assault allegation or an office politics movement against you? Or something else?
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I'm not sure choosing behaviours based on fear will lead a person to the life of safety and security that they desire. Obviously sometimes it is prudent to make decisions based on risk analysis (in other words fear).
That_Deaf_Guy 6y ago
Office politics and impartiality are my main concerns. I prefer not to get too involved with my colleagues outside of work, if I can help it. Sleeping with one of them forms too much of an emotional connection I'd prefer not to form in the first place.
Also, my colleagues are all married with children, post-wall etc. I'm the youngest in the office, so better options are available outside of work.
Onein1024th 6y ago
How do you handle the backlash? What if she chases you down in person, sobbing hysterically?
conk2000 6y ago
Sorry, I'm busy. go back to living life
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logicalthinker1 6y ago
there's a balance. You can't appear to be sulking and pouting. It has to feel like you genuinely don't care that much and you'll get to her when you get to her.
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Ketonian_Empire 6y ago
Shit.. That sounds awesome. I'm new.. How do I get rid of my need to have a resolution, and stop caring? But I started this with my wife recently, and I think its working.
mountainbiker178 6y ago
Have you checked out married redpill? They also have their own askmrp sub. I think you might do better over there with implementing what you learn here. If you try to start doing what you read here, your wife who is expecting her dependable beta will give you heaps of shit because you're changing too fast. It won't be pleasant for you. It's better to slowly implement the redpill if you're married or in an LTR.
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Pusikur 6y ago
Iift read sidebar
OVOXOKing 6y ago
The bigger issue you're going to run into is that it's almost impossible to transition from BP to RP while in the same relationship. It's a delicate process and one misstep will have you signing divorce papers.
Marketing_Baboon 6y ago
Yeah, this. It's pretty easy to fall from a RP mindset into BP hell when starting an LTR, but it's impossible to climb back out once you have. Give an inch they take a mile and you will not get it back with the relationship intact. You have to maintain RP always for an LTR and I unfortunately am not at that level yet.
Ketonian_Empire 6y ago
Thats good to know. I'll start looking for the long route to reach it.. Hmm that explains some of our fights lately, she does like to threaten divorce in some fights, maybe i'll take her up on that and see how she responds. I don't know, but she is a tom boy and we butt heads alot since me wanting to be RP. Maybe there is no other way.
BrownGummyBear 6y ago
Good luck buddy, read some more about how marriages need to be treated when trying to red pill them as it’s a different approach. Hope for the best, prepare for the worse.
Ketonian_Empire 6y ago
Thanks! I read a lot today, but didn't see a ton of info on it in the side bar. I'll keep searching though.
Psychoptic 6y ago
Ugh I sit next to her in class though haha
richardbransonbutnot 6y ago
Just focus on the lesson and piss off when you're done.
conk2000 6y ago
Attention that women want involve interaction, be it positive or negative. They want their action to have reactions.
You can ignore someone 2 inches from your face. As long as you give them the interaction equivalent to what you would give a gray pebble on the road, then you are doing fine.
omega_dawg93 6y ago
what my dad taught me... never give her the emotion she expects. instead, give her a "blank piece of paper," i.e., NOTHING to feed her emotional wants/needs.
Mifune_ 6y ago
Just don’t go to class for half a year, that’ll show her.
demhashie 6y ago
I agree
OVOXOKing 6y ago
I don't really get the extended lengths here. 6 months? I don't even think I'd REMEMBER her 6 months down the line of no contact.
Cods_gift_to_reddit 6y ago
Exaggeration is funny. Autism is not
surfsusa 6y ago
Don't shit where you eat
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TheStoicCrane 6y ago
Ignoring them is the perfect strategy when they act on on their cycle. They'll practically thank you for holding frame while they were spazzing out.
awakenedspirit1 6y ago
These are the tactics that the red pill is criticized for, but they are demonstrably effective.
Communication is validation seeking behavior :)
moltenw 6y ago
Does this work only for women? I feel like ignoring your buds like this would definitely worsen the relationship.
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TheStoicCrane 6y ago
Absence makes the heart grow fonder. If you smother them with your presence they'll growto resent you.
moltenw 6y ago
There's a difference between absence and ignoring someone for 2-3~ months, say, and then being like "I was busy"
riggedved 6y ago
Golden advice. I have proof that this always works.
With my LTR, I was always there to listen to her, come to a mutual understanding, rationalise. We ended up breaking up with me getting minimal sex.
Now, with the 4 plates I am spinning, I am constantly ignoring, but getting mind blowing sex with all of them.
SKRedPill 6y ago
Dread is like hunger. Enough to work your appetite like an animal, but not so much that you starve to death.
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ratshitty_heavenjoke 6y ago
Agreed, but not with the loyal, compatible girl, in the last paragraph. She deserves time.
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KingMike1997 6y ago
Beautiful post. You must be at a certain level to pull this move off. Anyone can do it, but low SMV men will fail at this tactic every time. Think of this as more of an “advanced” move.
eyo_solo 6y ago
I'm new here. Can you please elaborate why a novice like myself can't use this?
BrownGummyBear 6y ago
If your SMV is high enough once you take your attention away from her she will start hamstering “he’s definitely seeing other girls” etc type of thoughts (women love chasing men who are wanted by other women). If your SMV is not high enough she may just replace the attention you gave her with one of her orbiters.
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Isonor 6y ago
Guys this is retarded advice.
UltimateCrypto 6y ago
You must be trying to get married to give away half your shit
ignorant_investor 6y ago
As a Chad myself I can say - this shit works. On all girls.
Dandeeasalion 6y ago
I'm not even chad... I just swallowed the pill, started lifting and am luckily decent looking and funny enough, and this shit even works for me.
GisforJumping 6y ago
But they have to be emotionally invested first, that’s not all girls
whuttupfoo 6y ago
It’s 100% predictable how they will respond too.
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majani 6y ago
Yeah, I would add that caveat, that if she calls/texts after you've cut contact, that's an act of submission and there's usually no reason to carry on ignoring after that.
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ddponti 6y ago
You miss the point. You don't give an excuse when she asks what you've been doing. Just say "baby, come over here and suck on my toes"
BloodSurgery 6y ago
Do you really thing hundreds of people are simply lying about them doing what they post here?
Keyword "act like nothing is up". It's better to really be busy, rather than falsely pretend you are.
How is saying you are busy bad? Should you say "sorry, I was busy, too much work, been helping my mother, and my uncle's dog best friend died". You were busy, and that's all that needs to be said.
Reality is stranger than fiction, after all.
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You didn't read the part of the article that said to ghost them for 6 months? No one is too busy to respond for 6 months.
RPSilverfox 6y ago
Ever fuck a girl once or twice but push her away because you really didn’t want to deal her with anymore? These are the girls you can’t get rid of, and it’s because you are unknowingly doing what OP just described. And as a result these girls will chase you to the ends of the earth. Meanwhile you have an HB9 that you’re trying to impress. You take her out to nice dinners, you’re always on time and never play games, and bam! She hard nexts you. Makes no’s sense, right? Actually it make perfect sense.
Lesson: Do this with the HB9s. Act like you don’t like her, make her pay for her own dinner and don’t be so fucking dependable. Do everything OP said to do but mix it up. You have to pull some so you have something to push.
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chazthundergut 6y ago
Can confirm: this works
For newer TRPers: it is so important not to explain yourself after the fact. Dont use it as an excuse to point out her shitty behavior, dont provide justifications or rationale, and don't engage in any arguments about it.
You use their own tactics against them and gaslight her. Act like you did nothing wrong, and if she tries to talk about it start getting frustrated like see this is why I cant be around you and walk away
Heathcliff-- 6y ago
Agreed, if you explain to her why you're doing it, the whole effect is lost.
She wants you to be too busy for her, not act like a bitchy girl.
SeasonedRP 1 6y ago
This is an excellent point of clarification. I did this a week ago to two plates. I had to intensely focus on work for about a week and didn't want to be bothered with them and lose focus. Just prior to that, I drank irresponsibly, which isn't normal for me. I didn't contact them during that period either. So for about 10 days, for good reasons and bad reasons, I didn't contact them. They freaked, thought I was with other women, and have been desperately trying to see me. When they asked what was wrong and why I disappeared, I just said I was tied up with work. I acted annoyed about it and said you have to understand that I get busy sometimes and not be clingy if you want to be with me. I didn't apologize, express regret for a few nights of drinking, or do anything else to rationalize my behavior. Worked perfectly, even though I hadn't planned to ignore them. As women often say, "it just happened." Oh, and I did fuck a third plate during this period when I had a bit of downtime from work.
Immortan---joe 6y ago
so what do you say when she asks "why no response?"
ddponti 6y ago
"baby, stop asking questions and come over here so I can nibble on your ear"
Flying_Wingback 6y ago
Ignore the question. If she keeps bringing it up, ask "would you rather have no makeup, no phone or no dick for 2 weeks?" Her answer is always going to be no dick. Tell her "see? did you a favor" with a shit-eating grin on your face.
wobbleelbbow 6y ago
gold :D saving this for later
That_Deaf_Guy 6y ago
I. was. busy.
Did you read the post?
duck_tales 6y ago
the post says not to say that.
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Immortan---joe 6y ago
Sounds to me like saying "I was busy" is explaining yourself.
boxxybebe 6y ago
Well if you really were too busy too talk to her, it's a good thing she knows that. If not, however, explaining yourself would be "I don't like your attitude lately so I don't see much point in talking to you until you figure out how to be on good behavior", which is bad. The withdrawal of attention will be enough of a clue.
That_Deaf_Guy 6y ago
"I was busy with work, my family issues, and my uncle's cat's best friend passed away" is explaining yourself.
"I was busy" provides no further details, no further 'explanation'.
Flying_Wingback 6y ago
Might have to save this one tho
Da_llluminati 6y ago
God I miss Snuffles so much
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Piscicide 6y ago
This definitely works. I did this to my senior prom date for like a week after prom and when I talked to her again she acted like I was the best thing that ever happened to her.
ashhjr 6y ago
When I did this with my ex she always assumes I'm with another girl and drives her crazy lmao
topmatrixgun 6y ago
Works so smoothly. Actually, a girl was acting bitchy. So, ignored her. She asked for my Facebook. I didn't respond. She sent another message the next day. I ignored. No contact after that.
This was 3 months ago.
I read this post today and thought I should apply it. So, I texted her. She is responding like nothing happened. And not all all bitchy. Women! Hahaha. Amaze me every time.
Bouncingoffthecanvas 6y ago
What if the first time you tried to organise a meetup over text she ghosted/ flaked? I read here that if she sees no value in your attention initially, then it's pointless regardless. Wouldn't coming back round just reinforce that assumption?
INB4 just go lift more weights.
OVOXOKing 6y ago
If she's not into you, she's not into you. You were never going to get laid anyways besides maybe a pity fuck.
Kalikoenig 6y ago
You need to have them invested a bit already. This will most likely not work after a date or two unless she had really high interest after the short time. That type of interest usually takes a bit more time than a date or two. Usually.
suburbboy 6y ago
Who chose this header color ????
throwawaybpdnpd 6y ago
I know, right !
Instead I would switch over the dark grey/charcoal used in “trp.” and “the red pill network” with the beige header background ... would look MUCH better
TheTrenTrannyTrain 6y ago
It workes for plates who are not shitty to you. I can see new TRP followers asking this in the asktrp thread.
"She's really mean to me, but an EC said I should cut contact and get in touch with her 3 months late, then her attraction will skyrocket. Will it work?"
fcking77 6y ago
Just like Corey Wayne says, make her come to you.
moonchildcountrygirl 6y ago
Theres a difference between being actually secure living your own life attracting women through innate magnetism vs anxiously forcing avoidance to manipulate attachments.
wobbleelbbow 6y ago
oh who the fuck cares? It works either way. These tricks always work on women. That's why you hate it and try to shame men on using it.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
How would you know, you’re a woman.
TwentyEighteen 6y ago
Don’t hate the player, hate the game
max_peenor 6y ago
You miss the point. In EVERY relationship in whatever form, be it even just hookups, the woman will everntually break past the innate magnatism and alter the terms of the arraignment. It's natural for them and is what drives lock-down behaviors. These days such alterations almost universally are at the expense of the man, so avoidance techniques are critical. This is one such technique.
moonchildcountrygirl 6y ago
Projecting “distinerest” for your sense of detachment can only take you so far for so long. You’ll perpetually attract anxiously attached women who at some level, won’t respect you. Healthy women won’t chase you or make you chase, they’ll be a rationally balanced dance
max_peenor 6y ago
You can't project. That's passive aggressive bullshit. You have to be serious about dropping it in a heartbeat.
All women are anxiously attached to all things. It's their ground state. There is nothing wrong with that. It's part of a survival instinct that defends the human race. Stop driving your bus over other women that are The Other. There is no The Other.
boxxybebe 6y ago
Lmao this is getting downvoted but literally says almost exactly what the top comment says:
Being really busy is even more powerful than “ignoring” them, because it’s more authentic and higher SMV than playing games
moonchildcountrygirl 6y ago
exactly Its incredibly low smv and painfully obvious for clued in women to see men pulling strings like this
boxxybebe 6y ago
Yep. Also it's pretty rare to see girls here, how come you're on TRP? Are you scoping out the enemy lol
moonchildcountrygirl 6y ago
Haha no not the enemy, though it is helpful to be able to navigate the world knowing how the psychology of others works. (I tend to believe the best out of everyone so understanding their intentions and vetting carefully is helpful.) i found this through the women’s red pill subreddit which goes deeper into self improvement and is very blunt but ultimately a really positive force, I followed a lot of advice on there and am now in the best relationship ever! He’s redpilled in the sense that he’s a fantastic leader, independent, honest, strong, sexy, masculine, etc. but he’s a wonderful boyfriend and will be a great father, which is where we’re headed, so I cant be totally mad at the red pill haha
omega_dawg93 6y ago
that's like the difference btw how you look with/without make-up.
attract me by being YOU and not the deceit/manipulation (make-up).
you trade-in your make-up and push-up bra, and we'll express our true magnetism.
until then, we gonna be some manipulating mofos... just like y'all.
moonchildcountrygirl 6y ago
Some women go crazy with surgery or makeup and look like utterly different people, but most women don’t look drastically different done up, which can only take you so far anyway before they eventually see them natural. Besides, there are plenty of men who are well dressed, well groomed, grow out beards and spend time at the barber that would look far less attractive if they neglected appearances. In fact it’s more noticeable for men I’d argue, since makeup is the norm for women but men have maintained themselves less and less over the years. (Not bashing, it actually makes the field less competitive.) My point is that purposefully feigning avoidance to trigger anxiety in others seems like a ploy rooted in fear of rejection or lack of control. It might string some women along but I’d imagine would create some patterns that probably wont be satisfying after a while because you’ll believe they dont want you but the roller coaster you manipulated them onto. The most attractive guys are ones who are secure, neither anxious and clingy nor avoidant and fearful. Being actually busy doing shit is great, live your life, be productive, enjoy it. You can attract women from that persepctive and at least feel proud of it, knowing its based in who you are and not smoke and mirrors.
omega_dawg93 6y ago
whole industries exist for women to have 'smoke & mirrors.' i can't believe you're actually trying to equate a guy growing out a beard to the hundreds, if not thousands of things women do to fool people about their real appearance.
youtube it. see some very average looking women transform themselves. i couldn't believe some of them.
moonchildcountrygirl 6y ago
Im saying appearances are incomparable to behavior, especially if it’s falsified to feign detachment. As far as makeup, for sure, women definitely have more versatility. Its in their nature to want to beautify themselves and things around them. Though most girls arent doing the youtube wizardry that transforms them into a practically alien race, but im sure if men could do the same in a way that didnt compromise masculinity theyd be all over it
omega_dawg93 6y ago
"...could do the same," but we don't/can't and it doesn't matter to women.
what woman wants a man that's in the mirror applying shit to his face like her... to pretty himself up?
and appearances ARE comparable to behavior. i know women with zero confidence if they're not caked up with that bullshit on their faces. they literally call it, "putting on my face."
it's in their nature to DECEIVE. let me see you without all the bullshit... let me fall in love with you... the person. but to do that, you KNOW you need to attract us physically, so we don't see the truth until the following morning when you've slept and left the makeup on the pillow.
women rely on their cunning and on make-up... both designed to deceive.
moonchildcountrygirl 6y ago
If you fall in love with someone based just on how they look with some lipstick on, that’s on you. Though I do contend that to fall in love with someone, both people need to be able to be vulnerable. If a woman’s confidence is solely based in whether shes wearing makeup that’s certainly unhealthy. If a man’s confidence is solely rooted in his ability to pose as preoccupied, he’s probably not as alpha as he thinks he is. Like attracts like