I know. It’s just a kiss. It’s not a big deal.
Well, no, not to you dear reader. You’ve likely been kissing people left and right since kindergarten.
Here’s the thing. I didn’t go to school. School was evil to my parents so they “homeschooled” us, and by that I mean they gave us textbooks and made us teach ourselves.
The last time I kissed a girl was eleven years ago when I was eight and out playing with the neighbors kids. In the years following, I was kept in the house without any outside contact and routinely physically and emotionally abused until I very recently ran away.
I have bipolar disorder (I go from manic to depressive and back again) and severe anxiety that typically comes with anxiety attacks. I also have a form of C-PTSD from the daily doses of torture my folks dished out to me.
If you didn’t do the math, I’m 19. I’m 5’11” going on 170 lbs. I have a job now, a car, an apartment, a gym membership, and rewarding hobbies in photography and music. However, the outward semblance of success hasn’t fixed me on the inside.
I’m good at pretending to be confident, and sometimes I actually do feel confident. However, most of the time I’m still that scared kid on the inside. I can be extroverted and talk to people, but most of time I’d prefer to just find a dark corner and curl up in a fucking ball. I know, I’m nothing like the typical red pilled man. But I’m trying.
Forgive my narrative style of writing. I’m a storyteller at heart. Maybe that’s beta or something, I don’t know.
So today was my day off so I was chilling at home. There’s this girl in my social circle who hit me up one night on Facebook messenger with her Snapchat and her number.
She’s an easy HB9. Easy. She’s not even a bitchy high maintenance 9. She just naturally has a face like a forest nymph and the perfect amount of curves. The first time I saw this girl, the thought didn’t even cross my mind that I’d have any kind of fighting chance. I know that’s no way to think, but it’s just the way I was thinking.
We flirted a lot but I never worked up the courage to make any kind of move. My roommate (we work at the same place) knows this girl. Unbeknownst to me, she gave him a ride home tonight, and, knowing that this girl was into me, he invited her in, then said “I’m going to the gym,” and beats his retreat. He’s such a great guy. The literal opposite of a cockblock.
So I cook some food, she plays her music, and then I pour us something to drink and we just kind of chill. I’d occasionally sing along (I’m a good singer) and she seemed to like that. At one point I realized I was too far away from her so I moved my chair closer so we were adjacent and only about a foot apart.
She had freshly done nails, so I said,
“Hmm. That’s an interesting color. It’s like a, what is it, a sort of blue green.”
“Yeah, teal.” She held up her hand to show me.
“Almost my favorite color. It’s a little bit bluer than teal. Needs more green.”
I pretended to notice something about her hands.
“Damn. You have enormous fucking hands” I said, chuckling.
“Stoooop it.” Sheepish smile. “Everyone always says that.” She was whining now, but still smiling. The tease seemed to work.
“Hey let’s compare hands.” I held my hand up, palm out, and tried to get her to place her hand on mine.
“Noooo,” laughing. “My hands aren’t big.”
“Yeah they are let’s see it.”
I held my hand out and she put hers against mine.
“Wow they really are big.” I meant it honestly this time. Her hands were soft and girly but actually weren’t that much smaller than mine.
“Oh fuck off!” She said laughing. Then she intertwined her fingers into mine, the way couples tend to do. Good sign in my book.
We continued bullshitting. I made sure to keep up the kino. I’d sway with the music and give her a little nudge with my arm when singing a particular part I liked, as so to emphasize it. I’d put my arm around her to pose for Snapchat selfies with silly filters. She tried tickling me. I’m not ticklish so I just playfully scoffed at her. Playful disapproval is something I’ve found comes naturally for me, so using it in my game was basically second nature. I also find that teasing in a flirty, but slightly belittling way works well too. She used a particular snap filter, so I took that opportunity to say that she looked like a gerbil (a small mouse-like rodent) in the pic. She tried to be mad but blushed instead.
“It’s that nose of yours” I brought up a pic of a gerbil and showed her.
“See.” And then I booped her on the nose with my finger. Might sound cringey, but it felt right and she ate it up.
She eventually had to leave.
“You leaving now?”
“Yeah.” Sounding a little bummed out.
“Okay.” I went for a hug, the kind where you cradle the persons head to your chest. My heart was fucking racing just doing that. She’s super soft and kind of sensitive and, from her perception at least, I’m the opposite. I’m on the bigger side physically due to lifting, and I try to be like a rock when I’m been around her. So I held her against me and just she melted in my arms. When we separated, our faces were about six inches apart, and though she was holding very steady eye contact with our faces that close, I chickened out. (Note: I chicken out more than once in the story).
She grabs her keys and stands up. Thats when the “oh shit” moment hit me.
She’s about to leave and I haven’t even kissed her. She’s been waiting for me to make a move and if I don’t tonight she’ll realize I’m a little bitch and never present the opportunity again.
She talked a little about where she was going and why she had to go. I stood up too. Small talk here and there. She was just kind of lingering by the door. She kept giving me this look that I soon identified as expectancy. I couldn’t just let her walk out the door.
“I’ll walk you out.” I said.
It was raining so I put an arm around her on the walk out.
She’s leaving. She’s about to step into the truck.
I needed to change the course of the conversation. So I brought up something I’d heard her talking about a few days ago when we were with some friends and colleagues.
“Hey you know that one day when you didn’t wear makeup?”
“Yeah it sucked! Nobody even recognized me!”
“Bullshit. I recognized you. The only different I noticed is that, without makeup, you have freckles. And I think they’re cute as shit.”
I pushed her hair behind her ear and was still so scared that I went for a hug. It was a good hug though. She was all about it, and moved her fingers sensually up and down my back.
When I leaned away, I kept my arms on her shoulders and looked into her eyes.
“You’re eyes have just enough green in them to be my favorite color.”
Our faces were too close for me to be scared at this point. So I kissed her, finally. Hugged her again, and then pulled away.
“Alright you should be on your way.”
“Yeah.” She said.
I kissed her again, before letting her go.
She got in the car and drove home.
This is the first of hopefully many field reports and even though I’m no perfect specimen of an alpha male, I’m making progress.
Wanted to share because it’s a huge step for me to actually make a move to begin with, and judging by how she rocked and swayed and ran her fingers along my back, losing my virginity is just a weekend away.
Peace.
Edit: Again, complain about my writing if you want. But it’s a three minute read (don’t have that big of an attention span?) and is detailed to this extent so individuals can see everything I did and have a better idea of what kind of pointers to give.
Str8_Pillin 5y ago
Remember, she's not going to come back if she didn't like how it ended. So kiss her when you greet her. You only go up from there
gorebwn 5y ago
Yeah - echoing what others have said. Make sure you don't contract oneitis. Other than that, it's obvious you're still figuring it out, but as much as people don't admit it, we all start somewhere and this is a good start.
Keep crushing homie
Chadster113 5y ago
Good examples of kino! Im not very good at it so I'll have to try what you suggested
Zbxzbxzbx 5y ago
I'm not at all a part of this community but honestly reading this (your writing style is fantastic) and the comments all being real supportive seems nice, the community here actually mostly seems supportive. Also good for you with that kiss, keep that shit up, the more you do it the less scared you'll be to make the first move in the future.
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ZeppKfw 5y ago
Keep your roommate as a bro for life. You don't find guys like that especially at this generation. Also, gj bro that's awesoem.
Sciptr 5y ago
First, you should write romance novels.
Second, this is TRP, and not a place for romance novels.
This is where men learn to be men, and improve themselves. Field reports are welcome, but there is an understanding that this is a tightly run ship and each man in here has better self-improving things to do than read your novel.
Next time, shorten it up, cut out all the paragraphs, tell us a general plot outline, where you struggled, where you think you performed, and what you got out of it. We are here to help, but I don’t care about your novel.
Nice kiss. Start spinning plates. This girl is the first, but you’re not going to get anywhere if she’s so important that you spent the time to write all this.
Fulp_Piction 5y ago
'Start spinning plates' is terrible advice for someone who just managed the first k-close of his adult life. If this is the place where 'men learn to be men' then do your bit and teach.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Nah, his writing is fine. Your attention span is likely the problem
Ponder3277 5y ago
Respectfully disagree. While I do agree with certain critiques of yours, I do think that by putting thought into this post (and it shows in his writing) he has contributed to the quality of this sub.
_do_not_read_this_ 5y ago
Writing is also a great way for OP - and the rest of us - to hash through what's going on in our lives, to evaluate what happened, what was good or bad, about a certain interaction, and to gain insight.
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UpperRedSide 5y ago
I wrote it like that because it’s how I write. I like writing. It’s one of the few things I had to do when I was locked up at home. I’m just longwinded. The length of my reply is likely even an indication of that.
Try to be in my shoes for a moment. I mean, your probably can’t imagine being raised in false imprisonment by a religious cult. It’s not the girl that’s important, I like her, don’t get me wrong, but it’s the moment that I’m happy about. The fact that I took the first step in the right direction. You have to learn to walk before you can run. I’ll get to plates.
Sciptr 5y ago
Walking before you run is fine.
As a side-note, some of the naughtiest girls I’ve ever met came from similar backgrounds.
Best of luck.
_be_happy_ 5y ago
I really liked your style of writing, mostly because I tend to write/talk similarly. Nothing wrong with that. Just a sidenote, that it heavily depends on the context. Writing an work related email? Keep it short, best if it fits in a subject line and you don't have to write message at all.
This style of writing gives more context, so it will be easier to understand the situation. In this case it doesn't benefit (nor it damages) the story as it's simple. You had many ocasions to escalate further but you chickened out (just stating the obvious, nothing personal).
Your inexperience shows and you are probably just scared/shy/it-feels-weird/what-if-she-says-no. I was the same, I think most of us were. It will go away with experience and with deeper understanding of female nature. They really want this to happen, just as much as you do, but they will not take first step because that means the risk of rejections falls on them. Practise more and it will become natural
FINDTHESUN 5y ago
Don't listen to him, it was a great read into your personal journey. Good luck!
tayk47xx 5y ago
I also liked the writing style.
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TheRedPike Senior Endorsed 5y ago
It's the shitstir time of year. Engagement plummets. ECs are busy. In a week and a half, it should go the other way. I'll hit the queue now, but don't worry about it too much right now. It's a yearly thing.
boxxybebe 5y ago
I liked the way you wrote the post a lot. Fuck that guy's opinion, mine is worth more
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smartscience 5y ago
Despite this 'rom-com' style of writing, your experience actually demonstrates several PUA or red-pill principles. Either you're a natural who just needs to get experience, or you've done your homework. In particular this is probably a good playful example of what they used to call negging, just like a bad example would be those feminists who shriek OMG this guy was rude to be on the bus this morning, he must have been RED PILL!!!
Do whatever you need to do to overcome the problems of your upbringing, whether it be medication or joining the army. And being left alone with a pile of textbooks probably gives you at least as good an education as many schools.
UpperRedSide 5y ago
I did my homework. A lot of it.
I was introduced to TRP long before I got out on my own. I’d been waiting to actually implement what I’ve learned after two years of study.
Don’t want to join the army. Not enough freedom. I have music though. It helps take my mind off things.
redpill77 5y ago
That statement shows an unhealthy level of ego investment in who you think you are.
By all means, write how you like, but this doesn't excuse being inconsiderate of your audience.
Having said that, don't be afraid to try things and do things your way. Just learn to consider criticism if you want to have any allies and friends.
UpperRedSide 5y ago
“Unhealthy level of ego investment in who you think you are.”
Wow. So now that the guy with zero self-esteem tries to take pride in something and it’s a bad thing. Ok.
SomaNoob 5y ago
Be careful about saying you've got zero self-esteem around here.
Community tends to think that when you start reading theory you instantly heal scars from your childhood/teenage years since they "can't be that bad".
And if they are that bad, "you anyways don't have any hope with life cuck".
Nice job bro. Keep it up.
redpill77 5y ago
It's possible I misread. Building up your self esteem is a long rough business. You really do need to be careful about what you identify yourself with though. Saying, 'I'm just that way' is how most people avoid improving. For real. That's their motto.
Maybe you have already, but I want to make sure you actually try not being 'that way' before you cling to it as part of yourself.
You should get used to such straight talk here. It truly is a gift to have, as most of the world is too nice to give you any useful feedback. If someone is talking to you in straight talk it's a sign of respect and equality.
Take the info and integrate it or ignore it. If you refute it, take the time to state why. You might ignore something now and in a month you'll start to see the logic behind it.
Don't get offended. Eliciting sympathy is a female tactic and as a man it will make you look not in control. Realize the basic economy: no one does anything for free. Helping a woman or baby in distress has intrinsic motivation, because people feel soothed and joyful in their presence; as a man, you must find what it is you have to offer to those around you, and then give it away on your own terms.
officerkondo 5y ago
Do you think that makes it good?
Also, women like big hands. You didn't help yourself by drawing attention to the fact that yours aren't much bigger than hers. maybe next time you can point out to women that they are taller than you.
UpperRedSide 5y ago
She has big hands. But that doesn’t change the fact that I have big hands. And also, being 6 feet with shoes on and noticeably built, I’m not small as a general rule. You talk like a real macho man though. Never show weakness. Always swing your dick around and try to be as manly as possible with these hoes. Seeing that your big hands aren’t that much bigger than hers is gonna suddenly make her pussy dry up.
officerkondo 5y ago
You know they like to wear heels, right?
Christ, you show up here with your romance novel about your first kiss and then run your mouth like this?
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UpperRedSide 5y ago
Are you attempting to say that 6 isn’t tall enough? Few girls are gonna be that height even with heels. Also, apparently game and personality don’t matter. If a girl is your height or taller than you with heels you’re fucked. Give up.
But dude you have your head so far up your own ass right now, that you literally think that teasing a girl and saying she has big hands is gonna make her lose interest.
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UpperRedSide 5y ago
Yeah. Game doesn’t matter then. It’s only height. Also, I did very clearly say I was 5’11” and 6 with shoes on.
Anyone who says 5’11” is too short to attract women is not someone I’m going to take seriously.
I like writing. And I’m a virgin. That doesn’t mean I’m spineless. That also doesn’t mean I don’t have any critical thinking skills that tell me you’re all wrong.
But since I genuinely do not want to see or hear anything further from this dumb ass conversation, I’m going to exercise my privilege of using the handy block function.
Halitenina 5y ago
The person you were responding to has received a 90 day ban. Feel free to continue using the report button liberally.
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He's probably some manlet incel mad at the possibility that someone under 6' can get good with girls. It can really throw a wrench in someone's psyche when you show them that they can do something, they're just too scared/lazy. Keep it up.
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SomaNoob 5y ago
Someone didn't read his manshaming article.
He is admitting something half the guys here try to hide behind fantastic stories about fucking some non-existant hb10. And that doesn't make his FR bad, or wrong. He's learning, like you and everybody else should.
Now, if you don't "need to learn", you are probably doing a lot of things wrong. Like trying to downplay a guy because he likes writing and hasn't had any sex.
That's not very "alpha" of you, Mr. MachoMan
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ArdAtak 5y ago
Kudos to you for being self-aware at such a young age. You played it pretty well given your issues and shortcomings. Next time you see her, you should really step up and escalate a bit more. Doesn't have to be anything crazy but you better do a little more than kiss and show more confidence. Otherwise, your natural raport and banter seems to suit her so stick with it. But the bar must be raised if you want to keep making progress.
NYCMusicMarathon 5y ago
Lucid and Clear.
Stick to the path.
TotalPigeon 5y ago
Honestly, the important thing is that you are doing you. Take the criticisms you agree with to heart and have a good laugh at everyone jealous of what you have and where you are.
FINDTHESUN 5y ago
keep it up OP, it's a an amazing read, compared to most of the dry theory stuff posted right here .
also, i kinda agree that's it's a good idea to add TLDR at the back, or a summary like this:
WWDR - what was done right
WCDB - what could be done better
RiskyRewarder 5y ago
"very recently ran away" No, you are an adult. You moved out. You realized your relationship with your parents was unhealthy, so you moved out. Slowly fix your image of yourself, or will help. You seem to be an intelligent capable man. Remember that and believe it.
KeffirLime 5y ago
You are not these labels that have been stuck on you. As long as you think of yourself as someone with anxiety disorder or PTSD, you'll only ever be someone with anxiety or PTSD. You'll never be able to overcome the box around you.
Your mind is malleable, the same way you've been drilled into having anxiety and PTSD, you can drill your way out. As someone who used to be anxious it wasn't until I started thinking differently that things began to change. I'd always say, I can't to that because it makes me anxious, or outright avoid things all together.
The way I changed it was by thinking what would someone with zero anxiety do. Would he avoid talking to that person, would he avoid doing that activity? The answer was obviously no. So I started to put myself in those situations all the time, against my better judgment screaming at me not to.
Over time I completely conditioned myself out of it. When you've approached enough girls, spoken in front of a crowd enough your body eventually internalizes the message none of those activities are as dangerous as your mind has made them out to be. Sure I spazzed out a couple times and had moments where I thought I would die, but I persevered.
Today, I have zero approach anxiety, completely IDGAF in all social situations, but that would never have been possible had I continued to mold my existence around my anxiety to make it more comfortable. It was only once I stopped thinking of myself as someone with anxiety, that I became someone without anxiety.
Modern psychology will have you living in a cocoon or popping a pill before telling to face your issues. It's why we have trigger warnings and safe spaces at universities. They'd rather pander to fragility than build strength and resilience. The same way you become immune to the common cold, or influenza, is the way you overcome anxiety, by exposing yourself to it.
gorebwn 5y ago
Goddamn I love this sub. Everyone labels us as hostile, but seeing men support other vulnerable men like this makes me happy and hopeful for our future
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
A healed psych patient is not a repeat customer.
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BazingaBen 5y ago
This is a great response and my exact thinking on these sorts of labels.
TheEgyptianConqueror 5y ago
Thing is with psych is that depression and anxiety and PTSD and all these things are real problems, but there are a bunch of people walking around thinking they have these problems when they really don't. Like all the Gen Z idiots who get "depressed" over what's happening with their grades or whatever and have some psych idiot tell them they have "anxiety." Partially it's the snowflake let, partially it's people throwing around terms and diagnoses like free hotcakes
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Psychology is a cult religion, not science
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NickA97 5y ago
You're trivializing mental illness. I know your intention is good and you're trying to encourage him to break his mental barriers, but mental health is a serious issue. When you're having a panic or anxiety attack you can't think yourself out of it. Emotions are stronger than reason, it's your body overreacting, not just your mind. Coping mechanisms are fine and all, but sometimes medication is your only way out of hell. You wouldn't tell a schizophrenic to just snap out of it, would you?
I know I'll probably be downvoted because we have a very tough-guy-no-bullshit approach here, and that's okay for most, but some people really struggle, and it's not just their conditioning, it's their brains' function. You say "think positive," but what about people who literally can't? It's a case of matter over mind, unfortunately. Not being well in the head and exposing yourself to enormous amounts of stress is not good for you. If you're you mentally ill, my advice would be to go to a doctor, be balanced even if it requires meds, get your shit together, then after that you can start your exploration process. It really is no joke.
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Schizophrenics and parental issues are not even close to being compared.
The modern self pity state we live in needs to be destroyed and I believe it immoral for people/psychologist to proclaim that they are mentally sick. It takes away from those who do have severe mental health issues. I'd bet that 99.9999% of people don't.
(I lost my brother and closest friend to schizophrenia)
NickA97 5y ago
Sorry about your loss. PTDS and schizophrenia can be compared in the sense that they're both mental illnesses with a material basis.
It's not self pity when you cannot control your reactions. It's not a problem of the will, it's a problem of the brain. I mean, sure, according to physicalism, the will (whatever that is) comes from the brain, but not everything in your brain controlled by you, and abuse and trauma in critical stages of development do change the brain and how you interact with the world.
It's good to be critical of the state of the world, that's the way forward, but not acknowledging legitimate problems in the name of being man enough is surely gonna be trouble down the line.
KeffirLime 5y ago
I'm trivializing the modern perception of mental illness. There are your serious cases of a mental illnessess and these need to be dealt with appropriately, but the rapid rise in depression, anxiety and ptsd in the modern west (the gold standard of living) is simply a result of padded living and poor management on a parental and societal level.
There's far more "mental illness" infecting the first world than ever before, more than the 3rd world who deal with actual hardship, not because suddenly their brains are being wired differently, but because of their perception of struggle and their desperate need to avoid it.
The medical industry/psychology is a massive driving force behind this in how they prescribe treatment. More depression, more anxiety, means more business. Fixing someone is a lost customer.
For 90% of people in the modern west with a "mental illness", my advice holds true, the other 10% need proper treatment.
NickA97 5y ago
Where do you draw the line between serious cases of mental illness and your arbitrary judgements about who's deserving of treatment?
If the rise in depression, anxiety and PTSD is a result of bad parenting and a shit society, then surely you can notice that the brain changes imposed on those people were not due to them being fragile little bitches, they were caused by conditions out of their control. In other words, their little bitch behavior was programmed, but that doesn't make it any less real.
You can be a top alpha and still be depressed (see Tony Soprano for a fictional example). It's much more complicated than changing your mindset, since your mindset precisely depends on what's going on in your brain. It's not about brain wiring, it's neurochemistry.
I'm sure Big Pharma benefits from having lots of mentally unstable clients, but there are just as many charlants out there who're profiting from alternative treatments that probably don't work and are based on junk science. At least meds are reliable.
That being said, I do agree that we need to rethink parenting, culture and society, since this fast-paced world is taking a huge toll on everyone, but especially the young. I'm betting heavily on psychedelics, their potential is groundbreaking and we're close to a much-needed paradigm shift.
KeffirLime 5y ago
It's not that I don't have sympathy for them, I do. Most people are victims of the environments that surround them. It doesn't change the advice I'd give them. The same way it dug me out of a hole, it will them.
The way you see and view the world affects your neurochemistry, you don't just randomly out of the blue wake up with fucked up neurochemistry. Change the your environment and the way you see your environment and you start changing your neurochemistry.
NickA97 5y ago
Huge assumption man. Some people truly are balls deep inside the pit, and even if you have been there as well, psychological makeup is all that matters to get out. Perhaps you had the luxury of a neurotypical brain, which is more resilient and adaptable.
Changing your environment is no easy task, really, especially if your very same condition makes you hate your environment so you can't see it differently. It's all a huge loop of not being able to change yourself, hating yourself for it, then being even less able to make a dent in your condition, thus rendering you a messy ball of helpless nothing. Would behavioral changes help you? Yeah, to a certain extent. But if that was the end all be all of mental health, we'd have no need for meds nor psychiatrist, CBT would be the most sought-after psychological practice, and good old psychotherapy would suffice. Yet none of that happens.
I'm just saying it's a complicated matter, and we should encourage sufferers to go and try to fix their issues before attempting something stressful that might destabilize them, like PUA techniques and cold approaches. After exposing themselves to so much failure and rejection they may end up even worse. It's about protecting them until they're strong and stable enough to go out there and fail miserably, but healthily. I'm sure you wouldn't send a kid to war, right?
I know it sounds dramatic, but that's how it feels to them, regardless of reality. Until emotion and reality are adjusted, it's irresponsible to go mess with your own well-being.
KeffirLime 5y ago
I think you're misunderstanding my message a bit.
It's not a snap your fingers, do this, and it's all sorted type of approach. I think it's a given that with any mental illness that the solution is complex, multifaceted and a massive challenge to overcome. I'm advocating for a shift in perception. It will take time and it will not be easy, but it is necessary.
There is a vested interest from pharmaceutical companies and psychiatric institutions to make sure this is not the case. Doing this would ensure they don't have customers.
More along the lines of changing their thought patterns. They are not a depressed person, or an anxious person, but rather a person with depression or with anxiety. It's not binary, the distinction makes all the difference.
Then taking active steps to rewire the way they perceive their surroundings. Once again for clarity, it is not elementary, it will be hard, they will need support, it will take time, but it is the long term solution. Certainly more so than simply accepting your lot, popping pills and living in cocoon, which is simply treating the symptoms and not the disease.
Read Lost Connections by Johann Hari if you're interested in it. well researched, well packaged and explains all of this alot better than I could.
NickA97 5y ago
I understand. That's one of the few conspiracy theories that I see as plausible, but we need to understand that they're just playing the long game because the system allows them. A bit of a grey area if you ask me.
I like the mindfulness approach, but I think some people have lots of problems with it and won't get it because their emotional reactions are too tied to what goes around them. Although the goal is to stop identifying with said reactions, some people absolutely need to get their act together because of their resposibilities, so meds are the only short/middle term option.
No arguing there, the only acceptance allowed is one without conformity.
I'll check the book out man, he also is the author of Chasing the Scream so it's probably good. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Cheeseking11 5y ago
I remember when PTSD was reserved for people who experienced true trauma such as a soldier at war seeing his entire squadron massacred in front of his eyes, constantly hearing explosions that could kill you in any second, physical torture such as removing finger nails, removing limbs, etc.
Now getting beat by your parents and called a useless cunt is PTSD. That was pretty standard behaviour not even 50 years ago.
turner3210 5y ago
I had some pretty severe sexual abuse as a kid. I set have ptsd now but I just rock w it
UpperRedSide 5y ago
Starved, beaten with two by fours, shut in dark rooms for extended periods of time, whipped with cords until bleeding, etc. yeah just your everyday shit.
turner3210 5y ago
Replier is a dumbass lmfao lets go grab his pussy ass and lock him up and starve and beat the shit out him Then we will see what the fuck he has to say about ptsd
UpperRedSide 5y ago
Lmao exactly. I made a long post on another account detailing it. I might post the link.
Cheeseking11 5y ago
And? that is not a tragedy severe enough to cause PTSD unless you are weak.
Did you never get disciplined by your parents? Have you ever actually reared children? Children are little shits and some of them are hell raisers that no amount of fake threats will work on.
I'm not advocating beating children but it's not enough to constitute PTSD.
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throwaway1809123 5y ago
This is an extremely ignorant and uneducated thing to say.
You should read what the VA has to say about it:
Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) can occur after you have been through a trauma. A trauma is a shocking and dangerous event that you see or that happens to you. During this type of event, you think that your life or others' lives are in danger.
Going through trauma is not rare. About 6 of every 10 men (or 60%) and 5 of every 10 women (or 50%) experience at least one trauma in their lives. Women are more likely to experience sexual assault and child sexual abuse. Men are more likely to experience accidents, physical assault, combat, disaster, or to witness death or injury.
Facts about how common PTSD is The following statistics are based on the U.S. population:
About 7 or 8 out of every 100 people (or 7-8% of the population) will have PTSD at some point in their lives. About 8 million adults have PTSD during a given year. This is only a small portion of those who have gone through a trauma. About 10 of every 100 women (or 10%) develop PTSD sometime in their lives compared with about 4 of every 100 men (or 4%). Learn more about women, trauma and PTSD.
Source: https://www.ptsd.va.gov/understand/common/common_adults.asp
Trauma is common in women; five out of ten women experience a traumatic event. Women tend to experience different traumas than men. While both men and women report the same symptoms of PTSD (hyperarousal, reexperiencing, avoidance, and numbing), some symptoms are more common for women or men.
https://www.ptsd.va.gov/understand/common/common_women.asp
Cheeseking11 5y ago
The point flew straight over your head you ignorant dingus. It is the severity of the trauma that determines PTSD not just a trauma otherwise me breaking a nail could give me PTSD like you will observe in modern culture where people claim PTSD for bullshit reasons.
A child getting beat by its parents and called a useless cunt is not as severe as a soldier who sees his friends massacred in front of his eyes and legs blown off!
throwaway1809123 5y ago
Whatever. I'll stick with the opinions of people who went to medical school and spent their lives devoted to studying the subject versus the opinioin of an ignorant moron like you.
Being abused as a child causes a lifetime of mental health issues. Most people who are in therapy, commit suicide, break the law are, are in prisons are victims of child abuse.
Severity of trauma doesn't determine whether you get PTSD or not it's based on the individuals resilliance. That's why two people can experience the same thing and have two different responses.
Anyone can develop PTSD at any age. This includes war veterans, children, and people who have been through a physical or sexual assault, abuse, accident, disaster, or other serious events.
Some factors that increase risk for PTSD include:
Source: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/index.shtml#part_145372
Cheeseking11 5y ago
I just broke my nail, this is a very serious traumatic event I'll have you know and I'm triggered. I need attention and treatment!! Give me all the pills!!!!!
Medical practitioners also thought that boys with short attention spans should be pumped full of Adderall which is basically Speed to help them focus. This caused irreparable damage to their minds. It turned out most of these kids didn't have medical conditions and it was just shit teaching skills from a feminized education system.
I've definitely struck a nerve if you are DEER'ing like this. Ask yourself why my apparent ignorance affects you so emotionally. Why does digital words on an internet forum drive you to petty insults and the need to over explain yourself especially on a forum dedicated to amoral sexual strategy.
Hint: You'll find the answer by reading the side bar
throwaway1809123 5y ago
If someone says something that is catergorically wrong I'm going to respond and let them know.
The only thing triggering about you is that you're stupidity is unbelievable and the fact that you're oblvious to it or just don't care.
Cheeseking11 5y ago
I'm double triggered now from the broken nail and from your psychoanalysis.
Double my dosage Dr, I can get a hefty return per pill on the black market.
throwaway1809123 5y ago
The argument was whether or not someone can get PTSD from being abused as a child... the answer is yes, but you're implying that being beat by your parents is equivelant to breaking a finger nail which is a ridiculous argument to make.You believe you're more intelligent than experts in the field and study of mental health disorders despite having no scientific date that even proves your unfounded beliefs. Yet somehow you've convinced yourself that I'm the one with the problem. Brilliant!
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Cheeseking11 5y ago
Every generation blames the prior one for causing all of their problems. The prior generation blamed the one before also and to be honest theirs have more credibility as the Western World nearly destroyed itself with 2 World Wars.
We actually got a pretty good deal from the Boomers as our problems are more financial which can be easily changed unlike a World War. Also the Boomers weakening the men makes it easier for the men who strive to be better.
Ponder3277 5y ago
Reading this was like watching one of those Rom-Coms where the guy never can seem to muster up the balls to do it and the scene builds up and up and ultimately the viewers are left with blue hearts.
But, you did it. You may get people telling you how you should have escalated sooner and faster. They may be right. But you’re making progress and that I can respect. Good job.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
My worry for OP is oneitis.
The first girl you kiss always holds a special place in your heart. Especially if she turns out to be a psychotic bitch that kills your dog.
cpotpie1 5y ago
Is this speaking from experience.....? Did some bitch kill your dog?
I agree about oneitis. This guy seems to not quite have an abundance mentality.
(also, not always about your first kiss. Honestly can't remember who mine was)
Drakane1 5y ago
mine was some rando in a club i know she's blonde though can't even remember the chick i lost my virginty to but that one was a brunette
Username_nof 5y ago
Yo, I was home schooled as well mate. with religious parents. YIKES. I'm still living with them because of my age (17) and it's shit. But this field report gives me hope mate. Cheers.
Fulp_Piction 5y ago
Take your small wins OP, be your own biggest fan and build on this.
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UpperRedSide 5y ago
No. I’m actually sexually attracted to Kit Kat bars.
swordshab 5y ago
Finding the right moment to kiss a girl is my favorite nowadays
Cryptoguru777 5y ago
You are giving her way too much validation. Don't be surprised if she ghosts you for that exact reason.
UpperRedSide 5y ago
Here’s something people fail to realize. Different girls respond to different things. Some girls are more confident than others, but all girls are insecure.
Every girl is different. The same degree of invalidation is not going to work on every girl. You might get one girl attracted to you by being an utter asshole, but do the same to another girl and she might cry herself to sleep. This girl is sensitive as hell. She thinks I’m out of her league and got hurt as hell when I negged her too hard once.
Validation is not wrong, as long as it’s given when it should be, after you’ve disqualified enough and the girl needs comfort instead of just raw attraction. You have to adjust your game in varying degrees according to the girls you’re gaming. I may be a virgin, but I still have a thinking head on my shoulders.
Cryptoguru777 5y ago
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Well keep doing what works so well for you.
Royalocean09 5y ago
This had me at the edge of my seat niggle. I quite enjoyed it.
Hamlet_Prime 5y ago
I like the writing style, though it’s a little extra, trim the fat.
Don’t wait too long to ask her out and make sure to text for logistics.
She already wants you so be a man, doing that hugging shit is a cop out, you gotta fully commit because men don’t do half measures. In doing the safe thing you will push her away. She likes you, be genuine, your green eyes comment was smooth as Fuck
_do_not_read_this_ 5y ago
I forget the PUA term for this, but it's classic, like where you give a compliment but not quite a compliment, or where she's not sure if it was a compliment.
Subtle.
cpotpie1 5y ago
The term your looking for is a "neg"
cpotpie1 5y ago
Good work my dude! Take pride in the little steps. You're not going to be pulling bitches left and right over night. Just keep at it and keep trying. My advice though is to be careful not to get oneitis. Don't smash her then get attached. Getting attached to the girl you lose your virginity to is way too easy if you don't have an abundance mentality
Just_Another_Wookie 5y ago
I have to say that this is one aspect of TRP philosophy in which I feel some cognitive dissonance occurs.
The ideal woman has a very low n-count, is perhaps even a virgin, but here we are immediately advising that this guy seek abundance. The statistics don't work out so well if every guy has a decent n-count but is seeking a low n-count woman.
Perhaps the intent is just to keep him from becoming too attached, and this is good advice, but he's proceeding slowly and with caution. I don't believe suggesting that he must seek abundance is necessary at this point.
Truly, he's over-invested as judged from the verbose and flowery writing. I can't fault him for being excited. He's riding high on a long-awaited k-close.
He seems open to advice and learning. His responses indicate a mind open to suggestions for improvement. From his retrospective analysis of the encounter, I think he knows what's up and his next time with her will go well. OP, practice IDGAF, but don't overcompensate and be a douche. Back off a bit on the romance, and ramp up the physicality.
Be careful, don't get (too) attached. Make her work for you, but do what you need to do--what an archetypal man would do--when the chips are down. Count 1-2-3 go and kiss her next time when she's looking at you expectantly. Act.
If it proceeds well, you don't have to spin plates. There's nothing wrong with investing in one woman, so long as it is going well, even if she is your first notch. Many, many plate spinners relish a truly good LTR, so long as it remains as such, and why not pursue that so long as one remains aware that she is equally or more invested and does not delude oneself into ignoring signs to the contrary?
PerplexingPegasus_ 5y ago
Congrats bro, don’t mind the asshats giving you shit about this. You’re doing better than the majority of the young guys including myself by owning a car and a place to rent by yourself.
You’re not born sprinting out the womb, we all gotta learn how to walk first.
CuckedSam 5y ago
A millennial/zoomer saying they have anxiety disorder is like saying water is wet lol. We are such sheltered faggots i swear...
sebbegerbert 5y ago
Think this guy might be the exception considering his child hood.
UpperRedSide 5y ago
Picture being kept from eating for days at a time, and fed plain bread after the fast. Picture being almost five feet and only sixty lbs. Picture being thrown around a dark room by your feet. Picture being whipped with a computer cord till you have bleeding marks all down your thighs. Picture being hit with a plank of wood in the eye and bleeding like a stuck pig. Picture being kept in a room wearing a uniform for years on end, forced to get permission to eat, sleep, speak, and shit. Picture never interacting with another goddamn human until you’re already past adolescence. Picture finally going out into the world, covered in scars, and not knowing how to deal with it.
Such sheltered faggots aren’t we.
EIIiotRodgers 5y ago
No one cares stop seeking attention and sympathy online, retard. Boohoo you had a rough childhood, I’m sure people comforting you online will really help change that. Girls will never be attracted to someone as insecure as you
UpperRedSide 5y ago
“Girls will never be attracted to someone as insecure as you.”
The girl that kissed me would probably beg to differ.
EIIiotRodgers 5y ago
You’re a narcissist obsessed rabid loser. You’re acting like a female. All the abuse really shows.
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UpperRedSide 5y ago
“Am I supposed to feel sorry for you?”
No, even though if you had a heart you would feel sorry, I don’t want sympathy. I want empathy. Step into my shoes before calling me a faggot.
Also, I’m dramatic with my writing because I’m a writer at heart and it’s the way I chose to write my post. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. Nobody put a gun to your head and forced you.
Distractingyou 5y ago
You are in a hell of a world if you seek empathy, the fact that in life a girl can spent all your shit, you end up in jail because she spent a lot of your money and you have debt and the fact she doesn't give a fuck about what happened to you cause in her stupid mind she saw you as a dumb provider beta, when humans crush insects for fun or watching how sometimes mothers in nature eat their children or in the natural kingdom where the first born kills the younger siblin, nature is fucked up a lesson you might as well learn early than later i would argue that's why girls are attracted to the dark triad (narcisism, psychopathy and machiavelian), also don't describe yourself as dramatic that's a huge turn off for girls cause they are going to think you are a fag.
Anyways congrats dude we need more people like you that put the will and the effort
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ComplexProjection 5y ago
When she intertwined her fingers with yours was a call for kissing. Be as fast as you want to be, but girls don't always give more than one opportunities so don't lose them.
sebastianconcept 5y ago
She’s really into you. Otherwise she would already lost patience for your lack of initiative at escalating. When girls are into touchibg that’s when they want to escalate. They expect that you pick on that and regain initiative. Start kino, be playful about perfume, neck and kissing, they will like for you to insist a bit if they reject and stay playful.
PS: you have a good bro there
GulpAndCry 5y ago
congratulations.
you may know this, but she gave you loads of opportunities to escalate heavily, and many guys here would have smashed her within the first 5 minutes of being alone. I wouldnt necessarily advise you to go that fast, but you should know that you probably could have done.
kino: keep taking steps forward until you're either balls deep or they cant take it, then you take one step back, slow down and continue to move forward again.
keep up the momentum. You're doing better than I was at 19.
UpperRedSide 5y ago
I know some people could’ve fucked her, no need to rub it in. Allow me this victory. First time kissing someone basically my whole life. I’ll worry about the sex later she’s not going anywhere.
Jaspiration 5y ago
Don’t sweat it too hard man - the kissing and the worrying about whether you’re alpha or not. You are living on your own, independent and thriving all at the age of just 17. That’s the most alpha thing you could possibly be doing right now. It’s all a learning process, you can’t get it 100% the first time... good luck.
GulpAndCry 5y ago
No harm intended. Just know that girls wont be surprised if you push a lot harder than you are doing right now. It is uncomfortable to do but you'll get there before you know it if you keep the pressure on
caralto 5y ago
Yeah, just keep doing stuff with her. Each visit a kiss or more. Soon enough you'll be jiggling her titties and nutting in her mouth. One day at a time, though if you a nervous one, pro-tip: be touching her tits by date 3 else you going too slow bro.
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caralto 5y ago
Exactly, once you realize girls are playthings, life can be fun. For example: I got my LTR to give me a blowjob the moment I walk through the door after work, I squeeze her nipples just to annoy her, then she makes me dinner. Then after dinner, a good solid face-fuck ending with her swallowing. Similar in the morning, she makes me breakfast, grabs me a drink, then I grab her head and she does deep-throat. Good routine. Once you establish a pattern, you escalate, and their hamster brains go along with it.
In summary: blowjob is the new kiss, establish it as so.
For a pro move, take a piss, don't wipe. Let her clean it with her tongue. If she don't wince, you've got her well trained and you will enjoy makes years of good service. Want a footrest, tell her to bend over and put your feet on her back, you will just be limited by your imagination.
Atheist_Utopia 5y ago
Wasn't clear when exactly you kissed. Can you write that one more clearly?
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MechanizedGamer 5y ago
I thoroughly enjoyed your storytelling ability. This story had highs and lows and was enjoyable to read.
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UpperRedSide 5y ago
US. Got a job, pulled double shifts. Bought a car.
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UpperRedSide 5y ago
I rent it.
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Platinum247365 5y ago
I am a 31 year old with Asperger's Syndrome and this story gives me a lot of hope. I still deal with PTSD myself from bullying at school. Even though I'm very successful now. I will keep these lessons learned in mind.
420KUSHBUSH 5y ago
Glad to hear you're very successful now, the rise to the top will keep on coming. I wish you all the best in dealing with your PTSD, you will conquer it
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theomniscience24 5y ago
Fun read, i liked the part with the HUGE hands. I’m gonna point out again that its irrelevant for the sub, so I’m not upvoting.
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UpperRedSide 5y ago
I did do it for myself.
I wrote the post for myself.
And I wrote everything (the important things, not everything) said because detailing my conversation details the type of game I used.
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OfficerWade 5y ago
Uhh. “Dear reader” I stopped reading soon as I saw that. You kiss girls with that mouth?
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ahackercalled4chan 5y ago
kino went well but he didn't make a move to kiss or bring her to his bedroom. finally got the nerve to kiss her right before she got into her car.
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UpperRedSide 5y ago
No. The next story you’ll get will be a field report of me fucking her.
OldScratchUpYourAss 5y ago
That won't be a "field report", either. It will just be you finally getting your noodle wet and being unable to contain your joy.
Sin-Silver 5y ago
You do need to learn to write shorter posts. Learning to be an effective communicator is an essential part of connecting people and improving your lifestyle.
You don't need to defend your excitement at getting a first kiss because it feels like your behind other people in this forum. It's a big step forward for you, that's a reason to celebrate and thats why TRP is here.
Greek-God-Brody 5y ago
Kissless virgin till 25 here, only kissed 2 girls till 27.
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UpperRedSide 5y ago
Yes. I counted. Took me two minutes to read but some people read slower.
SoulRedemption 5y ago
That is not what I meant...
I am talking about the way you patronized the readers