Here is the fulltext: http://sci-hub.tw/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819

there is flaws in any study. imo, standing side by side women like tall men more than buff. it's harder to tell that from invidual photos. It's the sam reason we get sex symbol men in movies who are shorties.

no social proof/status, no communication skills, no shit tests. this is straight physical attraction which is only one part of it.

Then women should find muscles like back and legs more attractive and not biceps as that has more to do with overall body strength.

Lifting will pretty much always improve your attractiveness to girls (unless you get "too big", which is only gonna happen through heavy steroid use), but this study didn't take into account facial attractiveness. A more realistic study would've included the guys' faces to be rated.

This doesn't refute charm and personality as a major factor. It only shows that being strong is attractive. All things the same being lean and strong is better, but a woman is going to be judging you on a lot more than that in real life. It also is ambiguous about whether or not there's a point of diminishing returns. I know for a fact women aren't swapping photos of fat powerlifters on their girly forums. In sum, yes lift weights, but it's not everything. 3-5 hours a week is more than enough. That leaves a lot of time. Most of your time should be spent on other things, money, social status, game, if you want to maximize your attractiveness. A lot of guys erroneously get obsessed with lifting as the panacea. They will take this study as meaning the more they deadlift the more girls they'll get. So he'll spend his life in the gym surrounded by large sweaty men grunting. Meanwhile the skinny musician guy is actually talking to girls and making their panties wet with his voice. The way I see it, get your noob gains, go to the gym 2-3 times a week, and move on with your life. Better to have 10 factors at 80% than 1 at 150%. My arms are 'dyel' mode to bodybuilder cultists, but are described as 'nice' by girls. You don't need much for a girl to be eye balling your arm as you fuck her. We are men. We put on muscle easily. Don't compare yourself to other men who lift, compare yourself to the average, and to women. If your arm is no bigger than a random girl's arm then you look like a girl, which is not attractive to a woman who is attracted to men. But it's pretty easy to fix that. As a man, muscle is your birth right, it's only a modern lifestyle that robs you of it. This is what women's brains evolved to expect to see: https://imgur.com/6mpo6yB - This guy doesn't lift weights, he just lives his life.

I'm good-looking, ripped, and jacked. Plenty of Guys down here in South Florida scraping the bottom of the barrel while dudes who are fat with no looks smash more, not always because of Money... But in general, yes. Women can't Intellectualize a bunch of hard Muscle in their face...

This is on the top of r science right now. The comment section is really salty. SJWs calling evolutionary psychology a pseudo science.lol Also, a lot of censorship of truth going on.

The most illuminating part of the study was the correlation between perceived and actual strength.

The study was not subtle. These were all college girls. The important thing about lifting is not just you're "more attractive" but that you're also more appealing to women who are down to fuck.

In other news, water is wet.

just lol if you still ain't bloatmaxxing

This might be hamstering from my part, or perhaps not but the context of this post feels like its saying ''hey women like that, let's do it''. While I have no issue with that whatsoever nor any problem with the post but when it comes to lifting, especially lifting, I always want it to stem from a mad need for getting strong and disciplined and invincible. Its becoming one of my most self-healing things I've ever done in my entire life, it putted me on the equal grounds of real men and gave me a chance to be virtuous and kind out of strength. Its becoming a like a holy thing for me that I'd never for a second degrade it by the idea of doing it to get some pussy. But hey, don't let my overdramatizing get to you. Wanna dem muscle to get that ass, sure bro. Have a good day.

It would have been a better study if they showed strong men with under average faces, and pretty boys with weak or lean bodies. Then we'd know the real facts.

"The study authors described a strong body as a signal, one our ancient ancestors would have understood: This is a healthy individual with a hearty immune system, the ripped body suggests, someone who can devote calories to building muscle rather than fighting off germs. Strength was also an “indicator of one’s ability to provide material and social benefits,” Lukaszewski said. In this interpretation, a strong man has value as a potential protector of women and children and is desired by other men as an ally."

That is some nice research but the written conclusion is totally bullshit. Visually speaking, a man is supposed to be muscly, a woman is supposed to be curvy. Curvier ass, bigger tits, more defined feminine face, everything is a female feature with a degree of intensity on a scale from 1 to 10. Small tits? 3. Huge tits? 10 on the feminine intensity scale.

A man is supposed to have muscles, facial hair growth, deep voice. Gender Attribute Intensity is where it's at. Are you attracted to a average fishstick type of woman with no curves, or one with a toned body from daily fitness and big tits? Obviously, women are not attracted to the male version of fishsticks, but men with big muscles that make them manly.

1+1=2, never have I ever heard a woman say "Oh my god, that guy looks so milky white and slim from being months locked up voluntarily in his basement playing WoW, my panties are so wet right now for him" and neither have any of you. We want tits, ass, fit body and pussy with a cute face, women want muscles, a big dick, a strong deep voice and a firm personality. End of story. Fucking politically correct published research.

Women prefer stronger men, duh. Something we all know.

Strong is attractive.

But so is leanness. Women cannot gauge male strength very effectively if the muscles are covered in fat.

Don't take away from this that you can just lift and be strong and not have to lose any weight.

Bodyfat is beta.

I used to see these studies where they would say that sometimes women prefer men with effeminate faces and I'd just laugh.

The problem with this is that it is simplistic and within a vacuum. Yes, of course, we know that if the only difference is musculoskeletal structure then musculoskeletal structure is the deciding factor. Water is wet.

But; if you were to show a ripped guy lying on a bit of cardboard next to a bunch of used needles wearing shabby clothes and a junkie girlfriend Vs a skinny/fat guy next to a Lambo with a briefcase in hand with a couple gorgeous babes. Then what. We all know the answer would be.

Why? Well ask yourself this; which man would you do business with? Which man would you break bread with? Which man would you defer to? Which man would you want as a father?

Is it that women define male success based on male perception rather than their own. Is the only reason Hollywood degenerates and beta beibers so popular because of there vouching of dominance by other men (determined by other men's willingness to dedicate their own resources).

How does this impact men when men go around calling each other bitches, beta, geeks etc. What do we think of a female geek? Is that really projected as an insult? Why do men shit where they eat so much?

We know that divide and conquer has been used for millennia. Red pill Vs blue pill, Communism Vs capitalism, mods Vs rockers, hippies Vs the man, Nazi's Vs allies, Rome Vs the barbarians. This psychological tendency aides our survival at times. How could it be used against us?

Jesus Christ never worshipped anyone, Buddha never followed anyone, Chad doesn't copy Chad. TRP IS NOT 'the red pill', it is a Bible, it is part of the matrix, it is the apple, it is heaven and hell. It is not THE way. It is A way. What is YOUR way?

Hands up who knows someone blue pill. Hands up who respects them?

Now I know that starts on point and soon goes becomes galactic meta but I am fed up seeing what once was a great tool and resource for men yet again become a deified cult which only weakens men. Also if you masterbate you are a loser/s

*Pressed save to early

Keep in mind the Pic posted is likely similar to what the women were shown or thought of when referring to strength. Too many guys wanna be in bulking season all year long and never get lean. Also, if you're natural and want to keep abs, this is likely your genetic limit for size.

This should shock nobody at all.

"There was no nuance to these results, he said. Zero of the 160 women surveyed showed a statistical preference for weaker men."

Hahaha. Literally, not even once.

Of course they bring in someone to critique the results. It's the Washington compost... SJW CIA shill Jeff Bezos' personal blog.

So Eddie Hall must be drowning in pussy.

I'm pretty sure we've known this since forever.

"B-but a shredded physique is just a male power fantasy!!"

The inevitable refrain by some weakling in skinny jeans wishing to justify how they are "different" from "all those other guys".

study:"men find tits attractive"

There was a book, I don't remember if it was Kezia Noble's, or Marni [Something]'s book called "Get Inside Her", but it was written by a woman so I think it was one of those two.

The author says an activity was done (can't remember if the author organized it or someone else) in which a group of women (can't remember how many; a workshop full of them?) were asked to write down a list of all the desirable attributes/qualities they would want in an ideal man.

Then they were asked to narrow that list down to 15 attributes. Then 10. Then 5, and so on, and finally narrow it down to 1.

The attribute chosen by them all was: Strength.

And some motherfuckers fell for ‘women love the dad bod’.

Good luck with your rolls motherfuckers. By the time I’m 40, ripped, with enough disposable time and income to do what I wish, it won’t even be a competition anymore.

Hardly news, but we all have lives outside the gym where status, game, and grooming also play a part. But exercise is where it starts.

My pre and post RP photos/transformation led me to the same conclusion, all without wasting research funds. Attractiveness went up by orders of magnitude. PRE-POST RP

This post reminds me of this one time a guy suggested lifting on here

Oh my, you forgot to include some of the hamstering in the article. One of my favorites:

She pointed out that the results might not be universal. The raters were college-age women evaluating the appearance of college-age men. They might not “have much of an experience with what attractiveness means,” Dunsworth said.

That's right. A woman doesn't know what's attractive until she hits the wall LOL.

This doesn't apply to manlets though. Manlets are never intimidating even when they are jacked and are a laughing stock to women.

I want to believe this, because this is the view I hold, but where is a real peer reviewed psychological paper that backs this claim up? Is the correlation statistically significant? If so, what's the p-value?

Quit making sweeping claims without empirical evidence - It makes us all look bad and perpetuates allegations of misogyny.

Biology cannot be denied. Thank you for sharing this further scientific proof of what we've already come to understand intuitively.

This has been common knowledge for every person that ever lived