I'm sure a few of you are aware of the absolute beta, blue pill wasteland-hellhole that is survivinginfidelity.com, for those of you who aren't - it's essentially a website where broken men go to post their stories of their wives' betrayals.
They are all completely true stories - it is a community of destroyed, cucked, pathetic, emasculated men.
If there is ANYTHING that will put you off marriage, this place is it. I haven't felt a deep rage like this is many years.
Go here and check out the "Just Found Out" forum.
Every story is as bad as eachother, however a personal favourite is the current thread "Wife of 10 years had affair, is pregnant". This is probably the worst thread I have ever read.
The guy talks about finding messages on his wife's phone with another man she's been fucking, before finding out she's pregnant, then when he confronts her about it she tells him she wants a divorce. What is his response? Marriage counselling and forgiveness.
Some gems from his post include;
"Her remorse is genuine" "We have spent alot of time crying over this together" "I am terrified" "We could possibly have a great relationship together if she fixes herself"
The most boggling part of this thread are the responses, including one that word for word says - "it takes a big heart to forgive infidelity, but a tremendous heart to raise another man's child. Follow your heart", and even worse "You are a remarkable man to be able to consider staying. You really are. It shows your character that you are able to listen to her and empathize and not be filled with rage. "
There's not much more i can say about this place, you guys need to study it. Don't sign up and don't post a thing because you will be insta banned. It is a remarkable place.
[deleted] 9y ago
An example of how a man's inability to own his mistakes and drive his ship in a positive direction.
Can't even be bothered to do anything about it. Learned helplessness.
Lessons here for the perpetual Anger phase guys here... This is what's in spite for you if you don't start owning your own life
[deleted] 9y ago
one of the comments to that guy:
"Third - None of this was your fault! Say it with me..."None of this was my fault.""
slow clap...
OmegaMan2 9y ago
That site is so fucked up as to be beyond belief.
This is what happens when you become a supplicating doormat. These women have lost all respect for their husbands, and crying and asking for forgiveness aside, they will be gone in a heartbeat should someone else be foolish enough to take them in.
The only rational response would be to
DITCH THE BITCH
You will very probably be divorce raped but you will maintain your honour, your masculinity and above all your dignity.
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verify_account 9y ago
I threw up a little reading that.
Glenbert 9y ago
Fuck this website in the ass with a pineapple...
I guess it's been 6 or 7 year ago, but I found this website after getting cheated on. It did a great job of keeping me totally hopped up on the blue pill and contemplating making the utterly asinine choice to try to work things out. I was a regular poster for about 3 weeks.
One night I went out with a co-worker and got loaded. I ended up hooking up with a rando at the bar and then going home with another co-worker that same night.
I decided to share what I'd done and see what people had to say about it.
Fucking hell, you'd have thought I killed Cecil the Lion from the comments I was getting. The sort of scorn that they do their best to shield the
whoreswayward wives from was leveled at me. My favorite was being told that I was worse than my ex because I "knew very well what sort of pain cheating caused." We weren't even in "reconciliation mode."I politely invited them all to fuck themselves and finally decided it was time to start reading that awful, hate-filled Chauteau... and never looked back. Also dumped the ex after a month of pussy footing around.
Fun fact, every other guy there seemed to have married a virgin. Every other wayward wife said that other than the affair partner, they had only ever bonked their husband. That's why I put so little stock in the n-count heuristic in the current year.
favours_of_the_moon 9y ago
Problem is a "modern girl" will NEVER fix herself, unless she HAS to.
Venkas 9y ago
My god, these so called men are writing full novels bout feelins. Meanwhile slutwife is crying about not being able to see Chad for awhile.
Everytime someone scoffs at me saying no to marriage, I'm remembering that site. Some of them even admitted to worshipping their wife. I can't fathom this, not even when I was blue pill.
[deleted] 9y ago
Jesus H Christ....you cant make this stuff up if you tried.
A landfill of feminized men crying in their beer
[deleted] 9y ago
The woman was crying at counseling because she's so innately hurt and ashamed she married such a little bitch. She's practically begging for him to divorce her so she can find a way out and instantly the husband closes the cage of escape and doubles down on being a cuck. This woman realized she married a psycho-beta and is probably contemplating suicide right now.
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
Actually, that's about the worst thing than can happen to a woman, she discovers that she gave her pussy to a weakling/loser.
DforDeadpool 9y ago
Most of the time the devil does not come with a scary hellish look, a big fork and disturbing, upsetting words. Often he comes with sweet and poisonous words of praise, compliments, morality and even piety.
Troll_Name 9y ago
Evil people love acting like moralists.
All they really want to do is decide the world's rules.
Goingtogetmine 9y ago
All they want is to seem morally superior when they act out their resentment and cruelty.
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MeatCurtainRod 9y ago
That's EXACTLY what evil is. Often times society tries to paint evil as a physical being that does really bad things. That can't be further from the truth. Evil, or the devil, WILL show itself as something you want or like. It will whisper sweet praises of fake promises in your ear while depriving you of your freedom and responsibilities, and destroying your life for the selfish sake of their's. In other words, feminism.
The worst part of evil, is that once you label or identify it, it will change into something else.
DforDeadpool 9y ago
When I was first able to identify it I was shocked. It didn't always said bad things. It also pampers you, compliments you, sometimes holds the moral highground against you and tells you how evil you are. When you see it, it changes. Being more enlightened is a solution.
Archange_ 9y ago
Even when I was a total blue pill beta I could not understand men who are cheated upon and accept raising another man's child. These situations evoke cold rage in me and desire for murder; the murder of the woman, the lover and their offsping. It is a primtive form of justice.
The only infidelity that may be forgivable is a short fling that is spontaneously confessed, and accompanied with remorse and supplications for forgiveness. Even then a punishment is due.
This website is a horror. These men do not survive infidelity. Their lives are lost; they merely learn how to ghost around until death. Only a red pill may bring them back to life.
[deleted] 9y ago
Add me to the list of men who say "nope" to reconciliation after a "short fling".
Forgiveness, yes. Reconciliation, no. Continuation of the relationship, no, no no, hell no. I'll forgive it; but the relationship is over.
There is NO amount of cheating that can be consistent with continuing a relationship. NONE. Even an emotional affair is cause for divorce.
Any amount of cheating gets the boot. A woman who crosses that line even once cannot be trusted ever again.
LeftShark86 9y ago
Agree. Forgive but never forget. You don't have to hate her, but you sure as hell don't have to be with her. Let go and move on.
cosine88 9y ago
This is one of the most plugged-in posts I've seen. You cannot forgive infidelity.
Spoken like a true cuckold.
Glenbert 9y ago
Nope.
This doesn't happen unless your relationship or your partner is already a worthless pile of crap.
james-watson 9y ago
You had me until the second paragraph. Under no circumstances is it forgivable. The slippery slope is real, forgive one and before you know it her legs are as open as Merkel's borders for refugee cock.
0kool74 9y ago
DDDDDDAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clint_Redwood 9y ago
I second this.
You set your boundaries and when they are crossed they are forever crossed.
If you forgive, you will forever be seen in a lesser light and she will never respect you as much as she did before the infidelity. She might thank you, be grateful that you let her stay in your life, but she will never respect you.
And respect is probably the ultimate goal for ever RP guy. If a girl truly respects, admires and values you, she won't ever cheat. Look at any BP relationship on the rocks and I'll show you a girl that has lost all respect for her man.
There is two things in common with a girl that cheats, she either isn't worried that you will leave her if she does cheat and gets caught. Or, she can't stand you anymore and is looking for an out.
Both versions are from a lack of respect.
trp_dude 9y ago
No, remember AWALT. In general, a girl won't cheat, unless she meets someone who's more alpha than you. And then almost every woman will cheat.
You can't prevent a woman from cheating if she has an opportunity to do so with someone who's got much higher SMV than you. And there is always someone with higher SMV.
You can kick her out, but believing that you're so special, and that your snowflake is so special, that cheating can never happen... well that's blue pill. OI is what you need, options is what you need.
By the way, almost all the guys on SI are blue pill, but not all. There are guys there who are totally red pill, who have high SMV. They almost alway drop kick their wives immediately, and their wives almost always try to come crawling back. That's in contrast to most cases where the husband does the "pick me" dance and the wife rarely comes back.
max_peenor 9y ago
To be honest, I don't think most women are forgivable in any circumstance when it comes to their relationships with men. Forgiveness requires three things:
1) Confession - Sometimes they will tell you the truth, but they will always alter the narrative to put themselves in a better light. The hamster does his evil deeds here. Normally, you will get a mix of lies and bullshit.
2) Contrition. Do you really think she is sorry for riding Chad's orgasm machine cock? Yeah, no. She is just sorry she got caught.
3) Atonement. As we say here, attraction is not negotiable. Nor is atonement. Even the most unicorn of unicorns will fail here. No, she will not give you better sex because she got railed and split in two by that hunk. No, she will not make relationship sacrifices to ease your suffering. At most, they will use proxies, such as agreeing to go to marriage therapy or some bullshit like that. They absolutely will not GIVE of themselves to set things right.
Oh, and don't confuse a long suffering mate for someone that gives. She will use every ounce of her suffering to forgive herself for all the evil she has or will do to you.
HYPERGAMY_UPPERCUT 9y ago
Lol, its not always a "Chad" with an Lead pipe for a cock impaling your wife and rendering her pussy unable to be satisfied by you. Sometimes it's a sniveling beta and you've been too unavailable. That's why you shouldn't even bother with most women... Too alpha, she cheats with Billy, too beta, cheats w chad.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
IIRC, it was on talkaboutmarriage that I saw a thread that lasted almost a year and a half. It was from a non-western woman who had cheated one time on her non-western husband, shortly after their twin sons were born. The thread started with her asking if she should tell her husband, as she felt very, very guilty. There was a mix of responses, and she ended up confessing. Her husband was beyond devastated and moved out to his brother's. She became clinically depressed, and spent a few months on the thread trying to find a way to get him back. She succeeded eventually, and started habits that would preclude her from ever having even an opportunity to cheat again, e.g., never being alone with another male, keeping her husband informed of her whereabouts, etc.
The thing that I found so enlightening was that when she was questioned about what was going through her mind when she was in the process of being seduced, she couldn't say. (!!!) (This was why she put together an "anti cheating program" to follow) This was someone that was very forthright and honest (making statements against her interest) throughout the thread, so I don't think that she was lying. I have observed this narrative from other women that get seduced - either away from their LTR or not - that when their "buying temperature" gets too high, they literally lose all control and higher brain function.
Consider the difference in behavior and emotional displays between men vs women in the environment of a strip club featuring the opposite sex. Men are generally restrained, cool. Women go fucking nuts.
max_peenor 9y ago
I pretty much agree with all this, though I would give a couple points some more color.
I'm done pretending to know what women feel. It's pointless to me nevertheless. Did she feel true contrition? Or maybe it was just a proxy for shame. Or maybe it was just fear of being caught? Or maybe she was cycling through all of these? Her actions matter.
And here are the actions. Good for her. But this does tell us one thing--given the same circumstance, SHE WOULD DO IT AGAIN. She needed a discipline that would deprive her of those circumstances. So, forgiveness? Nope.
Now again, when I say women are mostly incapable of it (wrt to relationships with men), I am not calling them flawed or broken. It's just their well tuned nature at work--a nature that has helped forge the greatest species this planet has ever seen.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
The only way I know what she felt is through her own self-report on the thread. She had no gun to her head, she had made statements against her own interest, I can think of no reason to doubt her. I think that she did feel contrition. She claims to regret telling her husband and seeing how badly it hurt him - she hadn't thought that it would be as bad as it turned out. Claimed that she felt selfish for burdening him with her guilt, that in retrospect she shouldn't have listened to those that told her to confess and just born the pain alone, but then she wouldn't have seen the damage she caused and had the foresight to take the steps that she did to prevent further "crimes" (her word, IIRC).
That's my point: She's self-aware enough to know that she would do it again and has taken steps to remove herself from temptation.
My point here is in my last two paragraphs. From what I have personally observed and what I have seen reported on various forums, I think that the vast majority of women really can't control themselves when they're in the presence of those top 1% guys. Jada Pinkett Smith, wife of Will Smith - a top earning actor, performing artist, and all around stud, got all flustered and diaphoretic (cold sweats) when on the set of Magic Mike XXL.
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aang1818 9y ago
We call that rape.
Real rape, not the feminized bastardazation of the word.
Real, honest to god rape isnt (totally) her fault.... Though she may have been asking for it. Use your own judgement.
nedshred 9y ago
Jesus.. how could you not pick up the sarcasm? Get a grip
0kool74 9y ago
well yea if you're a beta white knight mangina bitch boy.
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RedTheFuckUp 9y ago
Pure curiosity here. Your attitude is "fuck her if she cheats but I'm going to secretly cheat because I can"?
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RedTheFuckUp 9y ago
Okay gotcha. They cheat first then you say fuck it. Makes sense.
revosfts 9y ago
This website disgusts me. I can't even read it without getting beta flashbacks.
NakedAndBehindYou 9y ago
Is there any question why women pull this shit when there are an army of betas in the world ready to put up with it?
Despite TRP's standard doctrine of "all women are whores, it's just a question of to what degree this particular whore is", the reality is that a lot of guys out there deserve to be cheated on and treated terribly. If you put up with it, your woman is going to keep doing it.
[deleted] 9y ago
Well it isn't exactly legal to do like most primitive cultures would have done and beat them or outcast them into the wilderness so they can die alone. This was the motivation for cavewomen to stay with cavemen long long ago and doesn't apply to modern society. Nowadays the way laws are rigged especially marriage laws there is no downside to a woman cheating. The only thing stopping this shit from happening in the 50's was social taboo and stigma really, once the hippies fucked that up that's gone and there is no barrier to this shit behavior anymore.
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NakedAndBehindYou 9y ago
Yes but the whole reason the laws are rigged is because the blue pill men vote to support feminist ideologies. It was men that voted to give women the right to vote, after all. If men collectively supported TRP ideas then women wouldn't stand a fucking chance with their feminist bullshit. It would be our way or starve to death.
[deleted] 9y ago
Actually empirically speaking, men usually vote conservative, whereas women tend to vote liberal (rapidly changing in the last 12 years though). It's not always 100 percent, but women backed by a small percentage of men make up the left wing votes, which throughout history has supported the dissolution of marriage in favor of women and reinforcing slut behavior. If women were not allowed to vote, we would probably never see another Democrat (by today's standards) elected based on the numbers. Or we would see a rapid change in the political platform of left wing parties.
http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/facts/voters/gender_gap
Archange_ 9y ago
Interestingly in France women voted more conservative than men from 1945 until mid 1980's when the gap vanished.
Codex_Dev 9y ago
Single moms, and minorities vote left, where married (RPW?) women with children tend to vote right.
NakedAndBehindYou 9y ago
Men trend conservative, but just barely. My point is that enough men obviously support feminist bullshit in order to make it into law.
Also, there's plenty of rightwing people who are still bluepill when it comes to relationships and sniffing out the insidious nature of feminism.
Obama got 45% of the male vote in 2012. That's not a small percentage.
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I should have said "the lesser percentage" for that to be correct. And yeah I agree that 45 percent of male votes is dangerously large number, but since 1980, there has not been a SINGLE exception for the rule. The woman majority will always vote left. Just the shear fact that Hillary Clinton is still seriously considered a candidate is testament to this. We also find that women vote more than men, which is the reason why a left politician gets elected in the first place (assuming you don't believe all elections are rigged). I'm sure I don't need to tell you just how dangerous this is.
http://www.dailyinfographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/voting-infographic.png http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/ggpresvote.pdf
Codex_Dev 9y ago
Keep in mind that he received like ~95% of the black vote. Basically, all black men voted for him.
[deleted] 9y ago
No. I don't believe that any of these men truly mean this for a second. If divorce law was suddenly changed to be fair, 100% of these men would leave their slutty unfaithful wives overnight. They stay because their lives will be ruined if they leave. This is why the male suicide rate is so high.
[deleted] 9y ago
I think you'd be surprised how many men are willing to overlook cheating. People get used to their lives, and the thought of starting again is more terrifying than hamstering their way into accepting infidelity. These are often men with 0 abundance mentality left, if they had any to begin with. It's easier to hold on than to let go under such circumstances for them.
cellular_crash 9y ago
This is a major factor. The laws are highly biased in the woman's favour including money and access to the children. Most are based in 1960's ideals that it was necessary to protect the women by allowing her to exit a bad/abusive marriage without suffering economically. Maybe noble originally, but it's swung to the point of legally turning the men into walking wallets.
In Ontario, Canada, the problem is child support. The laws/guidelines are draconian. There are a large number of cases where men who have lost their jobs/downgraded salary trying to get support amounts lowered only to be denied as the "children" have a right to enjoy a lifestyle similar to what they had at the point of divorce. Add to this the horrible "Section 7" payments (open ended forced payment of 1/2 of whatever the other parent decides to enrol the child in) and it can cripple a man.
I work with a man who sends nearly 3/4 of his after-tax income to his ex for "child support"
So yes, that's a reason why suicide is so high. It's also why a lot of men I know try hard to stay in a broken relationship.
Archange_ 9y ago
Same story in France. It is exceedingly hard to lower child support. You need child support + 1/2 rule payments > man's income for at least a year for the man to obtain a lowering. Even then the lowering is often temporary.
BallsOverFaults 9y ago
Infidelity should never, in any circumstance, be forgiven. It doesn't matter what the situation is, she will lose respect for you and the relationship will be toxic.
yomo86 9y ago
This is fetish RP-porn. For all I care. I get a good laugh out of it.
HiraldoCoil 9y ago
If you wade through the nonsense you can actually find some redpill comments there from guys that have been through that stuff
barmaleo 9y ago
I read it for a while, all this drama is addicting like a Latin-American soap opera. Try to stay away from it now.
There are few threads worth reading though - SpaceGhost007 story is one of the first that comes to mind.
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The__Tren__Train 9y ago
many of my friends from university are getting married now, both guys and gals.
they look so happy together. it's hard to believe that, statistically speaking, half of these happy unions will end..
cariboo_j 9y ago
Actually 50℅ of marriages ending in divorce is just the raw number for the general population.
Divorce is correlated with socioeconomic class - college educated people with high incomes and who married after the age of 25 have lower divorce rates.
The uneducated proles who work low wage jobs and marry young have divorce rates exceeding 50%.
Couples where the husband is a nuclear physicist have divorce rates of under 10% IIRC.
Surprising given the feminist misandric "education" in most universities and TRP's warnings about marrying "expired" women but there you have it.
Archange_ 9y ago
Upper class marriages last but for most the beadroom is dead. It's really a friendship with a sex phase every few years.
aang1818 9y ago
Women stick around more of their beta bucks actually makes bank. How very shocking.....
cariboo_j 9y ago
How very cynical of you hahaha.
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I don't think they will, even statistically speaking. Just google the divorce rate myth. I think the real number is something like 35 percent of all marriages. When you consider that this the rate for ALL marriages, including people who got married more than once, it looks less crazy. These are also marriages among ALL people: the ill educated, the addicted, the criminal, the dregs of society as well as the cream.
To get a good idea of what your odds are, you need to slice things a bit finer. In my case, for example, I would need to know the failure rate for first marriages between two people with degrees and married parents and grandparents on both sides. The rate for such a marriage is almost certainly lower than the general rate. On the other hand, if I had a different demographic profile, things might look worse than the average rare.
Anyway, point is, it may be hard to believe that half your friends will get divorced because they won't. Not to say that these marriages will be happy, of course, but they may not end.
[deleted] 9y ago
Here is a solid number on stable marriage vs initial sexual contact and vs number of partners.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/um3EmS9DKsI?rel=0&start=825&end=&autoplay=1
KhazarKhaganate 9y ago
So among friends, I'd say a typical situation is like 2 happy married couples, 1 happy married couple after guy divorced and remarried, 1 unhappy married couple, and 1 is ending in divorce after 10 years or so.
[deleted] 9y ago
Half will end, but of the half that stay together, what percentage will also stay happy?
The__Tren__Train 9y ago
Good point, considering women's inclination to get fat as hell
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Zachar1a 9y ago
There are a lot of fat middle-aged guys out there.
The__Tren__Train 9y ago
indeed.
but we are not interested in marrying guys
Zachar1a 9y ago
I'm getting down-voted for pointing out a fact? WTF?
Just because you have a penis, it doesn't give you a pass to be a fat slob.
The__Tren__Train 9y ago
I didn't down vote you..
But you are presenting a red herring.. We are talking about women here, not men. Fat women concern me.. Not fat men.
By my username I'm sure you can infer that I'm in good shape... So there isn't any hypocrisy going on when I denounce fat women.
KhazarKhaganate 9y ago
Arguably yes, but let's keep reality here: some of these men wouldn't be able to get laid without this woman.
Let's not overvalue the men in these marriages. Some of the time, their unhappiness is their own fault too.
And sometimes, men get bored of their wives and cheat too, so they deserve whatever they get.
It's really best if you just stay neutral about it. There's so many situations and scenarios in every marriage.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
This is the part that TRP seems to overlook most of the time that is the reality of things.
well-ok-then 9y ago
I was afraid I'd never get laid again. Because the cow I was married to hadn't had anything besides duty sex (with ME) in probably a decade. Figured I'd just be incel forever post divorce. I was wrong.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
This is why abundance mentality is important coupled with a IDGF attitude.
Duty sex equals prostitutuion but most men worry about what others think so even when prostitution is legal, they won't resort to it.
Uptonogood 9y ago
Actually there's prostitutes that give way more than "duty" sex. It's great.
I've made a thread about it once. Good discussion about prostitution in there.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
That was a great post. The only problem with prostitutes is that there is no thrill of playing the game. But if I calculated the amount of time spent playing the game and how much my time is worth the prostitute would be the cheaper option.
PabloEscoba 9y ago
Too many broken pussies on that website.
ledditor_1337 9y ago
I don't feel one shred of empathy for those animals. Absolutely disgusting.