TL;DR - Do Greyskull (GSLP) over SL5x5.
Mild interest in another post about the differences in Stronglifts and Greyskull prompted me to avoid all homework responsibilities and let this gem flow from my fingertips.
First lets break the two down:
SL5x5: Workout A: Squat, Bench Press, Barbell Row
Workout B: Squat, Overhead Press, Deadlift.
"You train three times a week, alternating workout A and B, and resting at least one day between two workouts. You never train two days in a row because your body needs days off to get stronger."
Greyskull:
In my own words, do the big four (Squat, Bench, Dead, Strict Press) once a week each for two sets of five and a max final third set. 2x5, 1xAMRAP. From there do whatever assistance you want. Bench=chest day, Squat=Leg day, etc. You keep the same 5lbs a week progression as long as you hit at least five reps in the third set. When you fail to hit 5 you drop 20% from the bar and get after it again.
Firstly, where is anything else in SL? You're going to get your main gains out of the compound movements, but lets be real, most women don’t care about your big deadlift, they care about your big biceps.
Secondly, why stop at 5? Say I’m squatting 225. I'm on my fifth set and I hit five, I have more gas in the tank so what do I do? I re-rack the weight. Why? Well because 5x5 that’s why. This does two things. 1. Robs you of further gains you may get from an extra rep or three and 2. Doesn’t let you have a yard stick.
Why Greyskull is superior: Personally I like the idea of having a back day, a chest day, shoulders and so on. If you think you're deadlifting to your full potential week in and week out on the same day you're squatting, more power to you. I know I cant. My low back will be on fire, and my overall numbers will suffer, as I'll lift less in the moment to compensate for upcoming/previous work.
Furthermore, On GSLP you do your first two sets, then you hit your max set. This provides you with two advantages over 5x5. 1. You max out. You don't arbitrarily stop at five because the interweb trainers said to. 2. It gives you that yardstick. Say last time you were around 225 you hit your third set for 7, then you hit your top end, drop 20%, encounter 225 again, and this time you hit 11. Now you know that you’re getting stronger (4 more reps than last time) plus you're getting more GAINZ from those extra four reps.
Additionally, Assistance. If all you have time for is your big lift you get in, do it, and get out. You still hit your lift. If you live in the gym, you can curl and calf raise all day long. Avoid overtraining, but do what assistance you want. You want those big bi’s? then have at it homeslice. Abs everyday if you feel like it, and plenty of rest. I was on a M/T/Th/F split. I took Wednesday and Sunday totally off and did some Olympic moves and active recovery on Saturday
I have been in the military for nine years and done every type of training under the sun. Friday morning 10 mile runs because that’s totally going to happen in combat, all the way to 5/3/1, CrossFit, and aimlessly wandering in the weight room doing whatever felt good. Supersquats was great as a gym newbie, then what? So far I have seen the most drastic progress the quickest with GSLP. I had the biggest numbers I’ve ever had, weighed the most I’ve ever weighed, and had the best abs I’ve ever had(yes even over CrossFit). I did this program while on deployment and then quickly fell back into a Drunk-three-nights-a-week-and-CrossFit routine upon return. I lost a lot of strength blah blah blah. I’m back on now that I’ve left the military and have a much more predictable schedule. I’m gaining weight back like someone shoved an air hose up my ass, and my numbers are quickly returning. Dat Muskle Memorie Doe. It’s worth noting that literally every single person that I’ve recommended this to, who has followed it closely, has said something along the lines of “I was the strongest I’ve ever been.” And I don’t hang around a bunch of theater majors, mainly combat arms beard growing terrorizer hunting manbeasts.
If you disagree, that’s fine. This is one mans opinion. I’m sharing my results. I know everyone on Reddit has a 315x3x10 bench press in competition to their credit, but I’m a real person and I don’t. My numbers aren’t outrageously impressive. I’ve been a habitual start-and-stopper as far as the gym goes. Mix that with thirty months time living in tents in the third world and runs on runs on runs and you get this. Just as a measuring stick I started GSLP at a BW of 163 and the first week I benched 165x2x5, 1x6. Flash forward five months and I was 186 and hit 225x2x5, 1x6. All Natural. I was in a tent in Afghanistan for Christ sake. That’s sixty pounds on the bench in about five months. I was CrossFitting at 165 so I was fit and wasn’t fresh in the gym after never having been.
Discuss, call me an idiot, whatever, it’s the internet fellas. Lighten up a bit and have a drink.
GuitarHero07 9y ago
5x5 is mainly for beginners to get them accustomed to serious weight training. Once you get into heavier weights, back squatting and deadlifting that often is not a great idea. Beginners will have huge gains from doing the compound lifts but at a certain point, those gains plateau.
The SLs will get you some bulk and strength but they are not adequate on their own for sculpting the ideal physique. That's where things like curls, pull ups, dumbbell/barbell rows, dumbbell side raises etc. come in. Plus, you gotta work those abs.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Phrak's GLSP is worth checking out: https://i.imgur.com/XbsMMJU.jpg
I like the balance of push/pull in each workout.
QQ_L2P 9y ago
When it says "alternating", is that alternating based on week or alternating on the same day?
Ie: Week 1 Day 1: Overhead Press 3x5 and Week 2 Day 1: Bench Press 3x5
or
Week 1 Day 1: Do 1 set of Over head then one set of Bench till you do 3.5 of each?
redpillbanana 9y ago
I believe it means:
Monday: ohp chin squat
Wed: bench row dead
Fri: ohp chin squat
Next week:
Monday: bench row squat
Wed: ohp chin dead
Fri: bench row squat
QQ_L2P 9y ago
Oh, right. I'm retarded, lol.
Thanks for clearing that up.
One more question, if the "AMRAP" for the exercises in blue or is every exercise "AMRAP"?
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reigorius 9y ago
What's the difference with Greyskull?
Geleemann 9y ago
There is no best program. It's what you enjoy that you will often stick to that will work.
Yes, you need periodisation as you start plateauing but until that point there is really no need to complicate all of this.
Your body doesn't know how to count numbers, reps, intensity. All it knows is stimulus and rest.
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Appleseed12333 9y ago
Going to failure when you are using weights in 150+ lbs is not the best idea. Try going to failure in overhead press and you can hurt yourself. Failure on squats sucks having to reset the bar back up.
NSmaf 9y ago
You're really at no risk of hurting yourself with with a failed OHP if you know how to fail. Even if you aren't allowed to drop the weights, you can just drop into a front rack position.
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What the hell? OHP is one of the safest lifts to go to failure on.
recon_johnny 9y ago
Ok, so having said that, what's the best approach from a strength perspective? If training to failure doesn't do this, then what's the level of measurement? Simply heavy lifting? How do you know when you've done enough? What metrics do you use? How do you deal with plateaus?
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NSmaf 9y ago
Here's a list of reviews for just about every popular powerlifting program: http://www.powerliftingtowin.com/powerlifting-programs/
TL;DR If you're a novice, do Candito's Program or their own program here, if you're intermediate, check out the RTS Method
If your goals are more bodybuilding oriented than powerlifting, look towards ice cream fitness or a ppl program (can't link reddit threads, but just google ppl program and it's the first result)
Also keep in mind, the worst program you can pick will probably still give you 80% of the results. Consistency and diet plays way more of a factor than training routine.
tresconik 9y ago
Don't overanalyse. Just do Stronglifts. As you gain experience with the bar, and get stronger, you will find out what works.
Watch some Elliott Hulse videos too. Greyskull has training to failure, which honestly is not what you want as a beginner.
ksnyder1 9y ago
You're absolutely correct here, but he's saying do one of the big 4 once a week. With that much rest in between lifts you better max out.
In my opinion a much better schedule would be hitting each body part 3 times a week but not going to fatigue each workout. There's no reason you can't squat and bench in the same day. Energy and soreness won't be an issue because you aren't going to failure.
Blackbeard345 9y ago
Damn so complicated. I do one body part per day and the only part I do 2 or 3 times a week is legs.
Mattpilf 9y ago
This is generally the belief for beginner and intermediate. I don't really see many people pushing once a week per muscle group unless it's a very specialized program meant to bust out of a plateau.
Plus I think expecting a beginner to max out every time safely is a recipe for injuries.
bragason 9y ago
Not as much injuries as faulty movement patterns.
Which then lead to injuries.
[deleted] 9y ago
I've read Johnny Pain's original GSLP eBook along with friends that I've helped multiple times - AMA
Nitpicks with your post:
Ok, here's why I recommend it to everybody:
Still dead simple: Just like SL/SS, it's tough to fuck up.
It's fun: Nobody wants to start off Squatting 3x/week while DL'ing 1.5x/week. Nobody wants to give up curls/pump-work entirely. AMRAP actually makes resets motivating as you beat your rep-maxes, not demoralizing.
It's in line with people's goals: 95% of bros start lifting so they can look good. That's pretty much the long and short of it. Putting 40lbs/mo on your squat as opposed to 60lbs won't kill you.
I make people commit to doing it until their first reset, and then they can do whatever the fuck they want in the gym. They always keep going because you see progress fast (in the mirror and with the weights) and once they start beating their rep maxes, they're hooked.
UCISee 9y ago
It's funny that you say this, I literally just posted a comment mentioning the book and how he describes leaving one in the tank. In any event, yes to all of this.
Something of note: the first time I hit GSLP my dead was the least impressive gain while my squat skyrocketed and fast. This time around I'm seeing outrageous jumps in my dead and progress slightly lower than I expected with the squat. I'm doing everything the same this time around, so I'm super curious as to why the shift from squat to dead.
I agree with everything you have to say 100. I will add that SS/Sl made me look like a centaur. I had massive gains in lower body and moderate in upper body. I didn't see this with GSLP, I found fairly equal gains up top and down below. Also, I found it to be fun. "How much further will I get this time before I need to reset!?" Then I found myself working harder to try to beat my previous 'high score' as opposed to just going through the motions. "Yep, hit my 5, I'm out."
I would also like to add that everyone talking shit about GSLP is yelling about 1RM and their mythical 500+LB squat. I'm not trying to get on the platform, rose low reps made my joints hurt, and I could care less about my three rep max. Just my opinion, but that's what I'm heading for. Every detractor here is calling me stupid for not wanting some huge PL total and 1-3RM. Cool guys, read the OP. We know everyone here squats 700 and has a meet total over 2k, we get it. If everyone on Reddit had the numbers they claim, they wouldn't be on Reddit, they would be selling programs like Wendler and Johnny Pain.
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If your goal is to lift as much weight as possible in 3 exercises given 3 attempts each, then that's fine.
It's just not the long-term goal for 99% of lifters. If that makes them fags, then they're fags that get their arms touched by chicks a lot.
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[deleted] 9y ago
Only squat, bench and deadlifting may make them want quit lifting before they get to the "rest of their life" part. Doesn't help their
This is complete horseshit. Any not-retarded program with compounds done with intensity and consistency builds a "base."
10211799107 9y ago
I'm in the camp of never wanting to do a meet. The fact that you can squat even just 200lbs makes you already stronger than 99% of the men out there with dad bods. Geskull, SS, SL, all follow a linear progression. When it hits the ceiling, that is when Texas Method or Maddow etc come in. Unless a guy is a PL and competes, any linear progression will work as long as diet is in check and you don't sit on your ass.
DrQuaid 9y ago
is 200 lbs really a lot? I stopped lifting after highschool, so I don't know what adult male's usual squat is.
super-commenting 8y ago
No it's weak shit you should be able to do your first day in the gym if you're not a skeleton
UCISee 9y ago
Thank you. Every reply so far has apparenlty come from a world renowned power lifter with a Ph.D. In exercise physiology. Have you never been to the gym? Are you an average gym goer? Do you not care about a 2000lb total? Oh, so you're all but a percent of a percent of the population? Then IMO Greyskull is money. Starting strength, super squats, 5x5, fucking whatever, if it has progression and you stick to it you'll be happy with the results.
merkmerk73 9y ago
I'm with you
I've been lifting for 1.5 years with not a lot to show for it IMO and I just want to get bigger
I mean I'm fit and all that but got nothing on the swolelords at the weight section
I first tried doing a 3x a week program where I did chest arms every time and added other stuff too
Then I switched to the plan you see if you google 'intermediate body building '
Found I can't really keep up with the anything more than 3x week tho
10211799107 9y ago
It because it's not the next big then or some miracle workout that'll make em huge. That's why so many guys do roids. I can't express how much disrespect I have a juice head when I see them. I'm not a PL, my 5x5 is 310 at the moment on Texas Method, I love doing that shit in front of them while they cable crunches. You can squat more than 200lbs. Better than probably most guys on here.
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10211799107 9y ago
compared to all the rest of the dad bods out there yes. it's not impressive I was just making a comparison
merkmerk73 9y ago
Don't see why you hate juicers
They want to get more out of their time in the gym
If it wasn't for hesitation about the sides I'd do it
10211799107 9y ago
You fuck with the body's natural production of T. Anytime you do that you ask for problems. Most chick's don't like juiced up dudes. there was a poll once I saw that shocked me. girls were shown pics of powerlifters, bodybuilders etc and there was a pic of Brad Pitt in where he was in Troy. 90 of em chose the Troy looking Brad.
Juicers are usually pussies in the gym. Powerlifters on juice only gain a bit of an edge, but all that is definitely not worth it with the siides
marinewannabee97 9y ago
I disagree. For me at least the bro split works best. A day on chest/triceps. A day on legs. A day on back/biceps. A day on chest/triceps/shoulders. A day on biceps. And for strength a day on strongman training (farmers walks, yoke, log press etc.) This is more time consuming. But I found it to yeild the best results.
I should clarify. I start each routing with one of the big four for strength. I would recommend this for intermediate lifter like myself. I started on a 5x5 and it was OK. Ok, not great.
stickfiguresk 9y ago
Successful programs are built with the long term in mind. Not gassing yourself every workout is more relavent to intermediate and advanced routines, but still holds water with novice programming, especially as you get closer to intermediate levels. That being said, I don't recall ever reading that you shouldn't go for a 6th rep on a novice working set, if you feel capable.
UCISee 9y ago
I should edit the OP to clarify this. I'm not trying to sell his ridiculously overpriced Ebook, but, he talks about not hitting 100% absolute failure. He specifically says if your form breaks down you need to stop, and you should in theory stop with a rep or a half rep left in you so you aren't flopping around on the bench like a fish. No, it doesn't specifically say stop at 5, but that's how most people I've ever encountered read it. They hit their 5, rack it, and walk away. The extra reps are programmed straight into GSLP as a measuring point.
[deleted] 9y ago
If we're talking strength here, strength develops in two general ways:
Raw strength
Where Raw means more muscle=more strength and technical means technique.
For newbies, I still prefer SL or SS, the linear progressive overload stimulates hypertrophy (under right circumstances) while executing each lift more often improves your technique as your CNS adapts quicker to optimize coordination for that specific movement.
Either way if you're dedicated and not fucking around, you should feel that SS/SL is not enough quite fast, in my case I did it for a year and a half, reached bodyweight+ in all my 1RM (except OHP) and no matter how many times I deloaded, still couldn't break through that plateau, then switched to 5/3/1 with a shitload of accessories and started to progress again, except for BP, IMO 5/3/1 is great for SQ and DL but sucks ass for BP.
B_uckets 9y ago
That's not how it works.
If you feel like you could still do a few more reps, you either chose your weight poorly or you're just having a good day and should keep going. The programs aren't gospel, that's why they always say "listen to your body".
UCISee 9y ago
For like the third time, I completely understand nothing is gospel. The great part about someone saying something isn't gospel is that they're usually the same people who will also disparage CrossFit because they program the weights too heavy for an average gym goer. You're supposed to know your limits. Same with these programs, I understand this, again.
Take for example our guy who said he started every lift at 45 pounds. Well I know damn well I can squat 45 lbs for more than 5x5. If someone were to do this on GSLP they would hit their 2x5 and then continue on in their third set for whatever reps they could get without losing form. That's not a poor choice in weight, that's simply what he chose. According to him he made amazing gains with it. Would you call the claimed gains poor? I certainly wouldn't, and it worked for him. I was sharing what works for me and why I think GSLP works better.
I can't tell you the amount of people I've spoken to, redditors in particular, who stop at five because the program is called 5x5. These are the same people who would put 225 and start pulling for sets of 21 on their first ever CrossFit workout. They simply read and execute. GS cuts that out and it's specifically programmed, not an if-you-feel-like-it-maybe. But hey, I only put on 20lbs in 5 months and added approximately 60 pounds to all of my lifts, for sets, so I must be stupid because everyone on Reddit makes WAY better gains than that.
EDIT: Spelling and grammar. On mobile.
NSmaf 9y ago
Having a direct read-5x5 go-do-5x5 relationship is good in some scenarios though. Both StrongLifts and Starting Strength are designed for the extreme novice trying to get started in the gym, and are intenionally simplistic to limit the variables and get the trainee comfortable in the gym.
I think starting with these programs for the brand new lifter is beneficial, but it should be their goal to transition out of it in a few months.
Redneck001 9y ago
They both are sub optimal on deadlifts.
You can deadlift more than 1 set per week. You're not going to fry your CNS, you're going to bore it to death.
This 1 set per week bullshit is why most guys look like a praying mantis when they pull. They simply need more practice on the lift.
SDSAM21 9y ago
Which is why I am modifying the TNation 17 wk DL program to include a DL rep day mixed in.
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If you are training for strength or lifting weights as part of a varied fitness routine these programs are great. (greyskull more so) If you are training for aesthetics/bodybuilding or to simply look good naked they aren't ideal.
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I think you're 100% right in terms of lack of optimization, but I do think it's as close to ideal as you'll get when faced with the realities of working with a complete, utter beginner.
Working out, bettering yourself and confronting your weaknesses is hard on people's egos. When things get ambiguous/hard, they'll start rationalizing reasons to quit*, and I'm trying to stop them from getting there.
Working with my friends as test subjects: progression needs to be completely unambiguous, Results need to happen ASAP, it can't take 20 hours, and it can't be complex.
*The obvious answer is "then let them quit, they're chumps" but I'm trying to work with them here.
AlexTheIndecisive 9y ago
What routines would you recommend for gaining mass?
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Basically anything with a lot more volume, that incorporates a wider rep range and a wider variety of exercises. Layne Nortons P.H.A.T is good choice if you want to follow someone else's program. But I think the best program is one you develop yourself over years of trial and error, learning what your body responds to and what exercises you feel the best
UCISee 9y ago
100% truth. I could not agree more. That being said I honestly would just prefer to be as strong as possible at a not ridiculous size. I like an "athletic" look, but not like those on stage in aesthetic competition. I just like to lift, like the big numbers, like the abs, like taking my shirt off and going from "Oh he's skinny" to "Oh he def lifts."
maxescapist 9y ago
You need a low %BF to be able to show abs. So I guess you do care about the aesthetic part. I'm doing an extreme cut at the moment. I only weigh 122 lbs but with an inch of fat because of the beers last few months. It's so easy to get 2000 calories a day when having a few beers. So 1500 now. I'm lifting since a year and have build quite some muscle tone. But didn't gain much weight...
NSmaf 9y ago
That's because you obviously don't eat enough. You're 122 lbs and cutting for some reason. Unless you're like 4'10", you should be bulking.
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insoucianc 9y ago
Beers yield virtually no nutritional value in terms of body building or weight training. Substitute that junk with cod, chicken, lean beef, rice, eggs, even milk.
I can even begin to tell you the short-term & long-term damage you're inflicting to your health and progress by allowing so much of your caloric intake to consist of fermented yeast and hops.
maxescapist 9y ago
I know, I struggle a lot with alcohol. Thank you for the reminder though! Other than that my diet exists exactly of the food you mention. I created my own high protein diet.
niczar 9y ago
If you have to drink, wine is better than beer, less carbs. Spirits even better. When you get rid of carbs and particularly sugar, even a sugar free whisky sour is palatable.
maxescapist 9y ago
Not by a lot though. I've decided to quit altogether, also a lot better for the mind. I don't know moderation.
RP-on-AF1 9y ago
Curls are for girls. I lift for strength, not for pretties.
UCISee 9y ago
I do too, but I've never met a chick who was interested in my hamstring gainz. I lift for the strength but it's also nice to have women mirin.
alpha_n3rd 9y ago
I recently switched from SL to HST and I'm loving it. I love the high rep work. It's cured all the joint issues I developed from doing low-rep heavy all the time. I'm growing faster. I love the deconditioning week, I always feel like I have a burst of growth at the beginning of the next cycle. (I noticed the same thing happen whenever I took a break from SL btw) I'm a believer. 15 reps FTW.
Jttoo 9y ago
What do you recommend for a beginning HST program?
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TheMGhandi 9y ago
If you were promoting SL while greyskull is popular and SL isn't, everyone would talk about how good GS is. Then you'd get downvoted for not following the herd mentality.
Real talk, everyone is different. Train to maximize your genetic potential and that's all that matters.
Edit: format and grammar.
shitLordran 9y ago
I hear you. It's why I add weighted chin ups and dips. Also planks, skullcrushers and curls
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UCISee 9y ago
It's got the name ice cream in it, so I'm for it.
Hit your assistance. Here's the deal, everyone here is freaking out because I don't agree with the herd. 5x5 was good for a bit for me, but I didn't like it. I saw better gains on GS. I would say take the guys comment where he said if you feel good go for more than five. But you're hitting 25 reps total. I personally feel it's common sense that if you're down around the 15-18-20 range it's obvious you'll be lifting heavier weights. Heavier weights are a good thing and almost the point, right? Do what feels good for your body, and don't get hurt.
UCISee 9y ago
Checked it out and watched like 5 min of his 20 min video. It literally is 5x5 with assistance. If it's working stick to it. Go for 6/8/10 weeks and if you see results hold strong. The only thing I have to say is, again, there's no way I will personally lift maximally for five sets of five reps, not including warmup, on squats and deads in the same session. That's just me. Maybe you don't feel it in the low back like I do, I don't know. Personally I like to split those up.
NSmaf 9y ago
Depends on your goals. ICF is more for bodybuilding than powerlifting, so if those are your goals, then that's great. If your goal is maximal strength development, there's better programs.
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"Every set you don't hit failure is just a warm up"
You have to push your limits if you want to make progress.
Or don't. Do your 25 reps and go home if that's what makes you happy.
Wouldn't want to overtrain, after all!
Your muscles will go into starvation mode and start eating themselves!
Don't push yourself too hard! Just take it easy!
If you train too hard, you might start sweating. I heard sweat has toxins in it!
If you do too many sets you might be in the gym longer than 45 minutes... who has time for that?
Get in there, do your 3 sets of 5 reps and then get the heck out of there! BEFORE YOUR MUSCLES MELT RIGHT OFF YOUR BODY AND ALL YOUR TENDONS SNAP FROM OVERTRAINING JUST GET OUT OF THERE, RUN!!!
bogeyd6 9y ago
I read this post and thought to myself. You are right kind of. Training to failure is not really gaining strength. Rep ranges, if you go for the higher reps you are adding volume. Broscience, aside. What you experienced was novice gains. You cannot compare novice gains to anything real. Hitting your 1RM at 165 and then increasing 60lbs is the real gain. Now lets do a comparison to my SL5x5 program I did.
These are 5x5 numbers that I am at today after say 9 months of start/stop and business trips.
Raw number wise, I have outgained you far and head of the so called great greyskull program. However, it's not really a comparison because your program starts you higher than mine. Really both programs arent all that great and are really intended for that person who is beginning and trying to get somewhere. Choose a body type and then choose a program to go with it. I chose to go strength, and when I am in the 1000lbs club I will switch over to a high rep high weight program like The Cowboy Method.
SL5x5 definitely has its failings. The major glaring cause is the fail/deload theory. Alan Thrall sums up some exercises to defeat these failings. Pyramid sets, clusters, and high rep/no rest. A bigger muscle wont always be stronger, but it can do more work if you train it. Anyways, take novice gains with a grain of salt.
NSmaf 9y ago
Another drawback of SL5x5 is the lack of emphasis on the deadlift, which is evident in your numbers. Switching to another program that properly emphasizes each of the lifts will help you achieve your 1k club total faster.
UCISee 9y ago
I'm confused by your 45-320 squat progression. Are you saying you're hitting a total of 45 reps at 320 on squat? Or are you saying your 1RM was 45 lbs on all lifts to begin with? Anyway, as I said I was loving prior to Greyskull but also having to go on long runs and missing months at a time due to training. I chose bench at random, I can look up my full numbers in a bit and post them in an edit to the OP, but all my numbers looked like this after four and a half/five months. Had I kept going at the same pace for your nine month progression I'm not sure where I could have landed, but even if I added half of my original gain in the next 4 months that would be 90 pounds added to the bench in less than a year. I also simply did a test week and went from there where it looks like you just started with the bar and progressed five pounds every week. I'm curious where you could have landed if you had started with some plates on the bar. Either way those are impressive gains.
bogeyd6 9y ago
45lbs is where I started on 5x5 and worked up to 320lb 5x5. Following the program exactly as it was designed. The breaks I had to take because of business were part of it, so thats why my numbers are up and down like they are. I never made a jump and I followed everything but the deload schedules. Then I did different plateau busting to get out from some of the areas. I dont personally think I would have gotten further, maybe not as far if I started with plates. I had some really bad points and struggled alot. For instance. 85lbs on squat was one that I was sure I would fail, but no I never did, not even one time. That 85lbs was the heaviest weights I have ever squatted.
reigorius 9y ago
Did the program after nine months changed your body? I prefer to want both strength and aesthetics.
bogeyd6 9y ago
Yes, that I can say it did for sure. I have well defined arms, shoulders, traps, and lats. My thighs are bigger and my ass is tighter. Also, I can bone with the force of a thousand suns and don't tire out whilst doing so.
throwawayyourliberty 9y ago
Good program, more nuanced and adaptable than 5x5.
People here should start to embrace such posts and stop Brosplitting for zero gains.