Intro
You know what ‘the talk’ is. You probably got it over the phone.
Her: “Can we talk?”
Her: “Do you think we will last?”
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You not having takin’ the red pill, went all “honey what’s wrong? I know we fight sometimes but we’ll get through it I promise.”
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See, you made the mistake of believing this relationship was reconcilable. False. By the time you’ve had ‘the talk’, she’s already packed and planned her exit. It’s over bro. Time to move on.
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Why Do Women Bring Up ‘The Talk’?
1) Closure
"I say this all the time and it bears repeating: ALWAYS let them leave without consoling or trying to justify yourself or arguing against her or whatever. Just don’t react.
A ton of guys make this mistake. She’s gonna try to get you to chase her. If you don’t chase her however, in her mind you two are “unresolved” or “lack closure” and come back. Why?
'Closure' to girls is a basis to be unattractive to you. They can’t be more invested and just let go. They need something to support letting go. This could cover a whole post ultimately they need you to do something beta-ish to “get over you”. Else they’ll just become another Alpha Widow."
– Omlala on …And Ruth Gets Jealous
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2) She’s Cheating and Needs ‘Closure’
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3) Her Ego Needs Fluffing
She feels in need of validation and starts this drama in hopes that you tell her how important your relationship with her is and give her compliments and do more shit for her. What she doesn’t know is that by doing this, she only further decrease her own tingles.
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4) Has a Lot Invested
‘The Talk’ doesn’t usually appear unless you’ve been together for awhile. In this case, it means the woman has a lot invested in you. She could be looking for a reason to stay, rather than leave (still packed and ready to leave just in case). And by ‘reason’, I mean become attractive in her eyes again. No one likes to think that their efforts were all for nothing.
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The Secret Reason Women Do This: They’re Hypocrites
~”Men are romantics trying to be realists. Women are realists trying to be romantics” – Fartholomew Simpdaughter commented here
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The only reason she feels comfortable destabilizing the relationship in this manner is because she has another option she’s considering. Women fear being alone on a level men will never understand. They need some kind of man in their lives to be emotionally stable. Women don’t simply unattach from one man and walk the lone rode, they transition from one man to the next. For this reason, she ensures she always has some dude to fall back on when things don’t work out.
Note: This does not have to be a boyfriend. Orbiters and some dude she fucks on the side will suffice.
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Remember how she questioned your interactions with other women? Ever have a woman discuss her discomfort towards the actions of another woman towards you? A facebook like, a text, a phone call, a friend request, a compliment? I'm sure you have.
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Women tell you to cut off all ties with other women because you're together with her now, right? What do you need them for if you're with meee?!?
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Guess what? She told you that while simultaneously creating a safety net of men to fall back on should the relationship go south. All women have back-ups, new batters in line for the <del>pussy</del> plate should you strike out (Women are practical, "why WOULDN'T you cultivate more options?"). Women are masters at corralling male attention onto themselves while providing nothing in return. She not only gathers these guys, but she maintains their orbiting status on a regular basis by flaunting her body, insinuating the promise of pussy, or taking advantage or of a guy's natural presumptions.
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She will tease the beta orbiters just enough to keep them around to provide an ego boost and run errands for her with as little reciprocation as possible. It is also not uncommon for a woman to have 'platonic' conversations with Chad on the side as to entertain the idea of hooking up with him though she may not have an intent to pursue him just yet. A woman is a planet, and she periodically flashes a visual appealing aurora to have other men in space pull out their telescope and check to see if they can land their rocket.
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These guys constantly communicate with her in person, through social media, texting, and phone calls. They tell her how pretty she is, help her with her problems (including those in your relationship), and try to woo her for a fuck. You've probably seen this in action while chilling at home with her. She receives a text from some guy you don't know and she responds, then puts the phone down. You probably asked her what that was about. She probably said "oh, nothing", "just a friend". If you interrogate her on this, she will come up with all sorts of excuses for why she has these men in the vicinity, then flip the script and call you insecure and tell you you're just imagining things. Don't kid yourself, women are fully aware of the intentions these men hold and that she encourages this behavior.
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You think I'm joking about how women blatantly use men to do shit for them?
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Watch: https://www.youtube.com/embed/4lkCREbRM2U
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Read: Women have men order them free pizza on tinder
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Read: Woman gets $1200/mo in free dinner dates from Match.com
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Read: Women are using Tinder to con men into doing chores
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How Do You Solve This?
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You don't. This issue didn't just appear out of nowhere, it occurred in stages that you were unaware of. You fucked up at various points in the relationship, she just didn't say anything about it (directly). The signs were all there, you just didn't see them for what they were. Anything that you can salvage from redeeming yourself isn't worth the effort. The relationship will never be the same with your past forever lingering in her mind.
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It's important that you don't show any kind of emotion. Don't even address this question. Mainstream advice will tell you to do one of two things:
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1) Beg for forgiveness, buy her flowers, and take her out somewhere nice
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If you considered the first option, you're a bitch. 'Communication' is validation seeking behavior. The second option, however, has merit, but isn't worded correctly. What you need to do is conduct Operation: Dread Game. Stop answering her calls and texts and just do your own thing and talk to other women. After a little bit, say "my bad, I was busy". This will drive her nuts. Now the frame will be flipped back in your favor. Originally she tried to have you explain why she should stay, but now you made it about why you haven't been paying her any attention. Women have a love/hate relationship with this. Is this manipulative? Yeah, but who gives a shit. They crave it and more importantly, it works. You should apply this 'soft dread' periodically to keep them on their toes. As a matter of fact, if you have shit going on in your life, you will necessarily do this automatically ('naturally'). It creates the much needed drama for women without being 'dramaful'.
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Always remember gentlemen, your most powerful tool is the ability to walk away. She has to believe in her heart that you'll entertain the thought of leaving if she ever acts out of line. YOU have to draw the line and be willing to drop everything at an instant and walk out the door should she cross it.
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Wanna know more about this dread-game concept? Read below ...
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Read More: Dread Game Concept
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Read More: Field Report of Dread Game Practice (Great comment section)
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Type in 'dread game' in the search bar, restrict the results to this sub, sort by relevance or top, start reading.
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Conclusion
Patrice O'Neal: "You can't be seasonal nigga!"
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You probably were 'alpha' in the beginning, then started softening-up, began prioritizing her over yourself and believed you could let go 'cuz unconditional love 'n shit. Wrong. Always be the man that got her in the first place. The game never ends. Get used to it.
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Read More: The Sixteen Commandments of PoonRead #5 specifically)
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THE END
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EDIT: I'm looking for a video where super models use social media to have betas buy them 1000's of dollars of fashion products for nothing in return and state clearly "no sex". If you could post a link, that would be appreciated.
EDIT 2: Found the video
ecosci 8y ago
The best post ever hit it the nail on the head one thing is when she figures out that the vine was just a piece of thread she branched to she will want you to rescue her but never try to save her let her fall to a hypergermous death because a man with options doesnt care if a b*tch leaves or cheat, millions of dollars will be saved if most single childless men read this post and it sinks in a woman is either fucking you or somebody else her mind is never idle so you have to control the ltr and set boundaries or you will get the infamous we need to talk speech awalt. God bless you what a powerful message.
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darkmoon09 8y ago
Many women don't even do "The Talk". They'll just go ahead cheat, and slut around while keeping their guy in the dark for whatever reasons.
forcevacum 8y ago
2.The best response to her breaking up with you over text is that thumbs up emoji. This fucks with their head immeasurably.
Snazzy_Serval 8y ago
In summary, when she wants to end things you don't react. Let her end it.
Go no contact.
During the relationship live The Sixteen Commandments Of Poon
(God I wish I knew of this stuff back when I had a GF)
foxdie- 8y ago
The last part I see all the time, only with cosplayers on social media. They post pretty pictures, and betas shower them with money. They also pretty clearly state that they "have a boyfriend", but the boyfriend is usually rarely seen as to not blow her chances of getting the betas to cough up their money.
[deleted] 8y ago
As a guy that has never been dumped I would actually prefer this way..
Every ltr I've been in I've tried to get myself dumped.. Mostly because I was a big mangina and was afraid of making girls cry.. Well, and there was that incident with the police when I broke up with my first serious gf.
I tried everything.. Being a dick. Cheating. Being a dick.
Wasn't until I took advice on here that my problem was solved.. Last time I wanted a girl gone I confessed my undying love to her.. Worked perfect
wont_tell_i_refuse_ 8y ago
Hah, cheating is one of the best ways to keep a girlfriend.
mangoat12 8y ago
How so? I just cheated on my gf, but she still wants to be together. Why? She keeps changing her mind though
AutisticusMaximus 8y ago
Good post. I came to the similar conclusion after personal experience and posted it here a couple of months back.
I will paste it.
Most of the time when "the talk" occurs, men think: "A crisis, let's try to fix it!", failing to realize the crisis came and got resolved in the woman's mind mentally, usually long before the actual physical manifestation of it, i.e. " the talk", and of course, the resolution is never in favour of men, or the existing relationship.
Ever asked a girl if she's single and she went "Eehh", smiled or took long to answer? She is in a relationship "objectively", but for all intents and purposes is single "emotionally", and guess which one takes precedence.
Once the female eye starts to wander, you're both single, she just hasn't told you yet.
It's funny how true Red Pill is. Even those of us who didn't read this, came to the similar conlusion or at least had our doubts.
Reading other mens' experiences is simply a key falling neatly in the lock.
Like someone said, a series of "Aha!" moments
Posted my comment again, previous was removed for posting a link.
e4tshit 8y ago
I've been reading post here for about 6 or 7 months now. Most of the time I literally start feeling sick while reading here because I can relate to most of this. It's like someone has been following me around from the age of 15 and documenting what happened and posting it here.
Most of the post here are carbon copies of situations in my life. I feel sick while reading some of these post because it sheds new light on things from my past. As if the picture just came into focus. Things that used to puzzle me in the past now make perfect sense when viewed through this lens.
The only reason I haven't posted on here is because I keep reading stories that are word for word what I'd write. At this point, I have way too much contempt in my heart to have any healthy interactions with woman. All I see are con-artist I need to hide my value from.
Saintmyname 8y ago
Whenever I dump a girl I always offer her closure like I'm offering gum. "Anyway if you want closure let me know." They never say yes to that.
Vajesticles 8y ago
Could you elaborate on this a little more?
2012Aceman 8y ago
It is power talk intended to communicate the idea that he doesn't need closure, but if she wants it he'll humor her. However, it is only due to that, not due to any obligation or need on his part.
Saintmyname 8y ago
Okay. Last break up, years ago. Chick no showed me. I texted her that I deserve better. Then I unfriended her, blocked her and deleted her number. She said, Can't we talk about this? I responded, Only if you need closure. Turned out she didn't as I never heard from her again.
getRedPill 8y ago
Oh The Talk™, who haven't had it before. Usually 90% of guys thinks relationship is fixable after The Talk, 99% of the times it won't be fixed, 100% of the times she is doing nothing to save the relationship or is being straight cold. This means, almost always the guy is working for a relationship that won't be fixed anyway.
FeeFeeFeaster 8y ago
In the very early stages of dating the last girl I would consider an LTR, we were at a party with a group of her coworkers. One of her coworkers had been sending me some signals that even other people noticed. After a minute of talking to the other girl, I happened to make eye contact with my eventual LTR with a look in her eyes of complete worry. After breaking from the conversation with the other girl, my GF tells me that she's "not feeling well, with an upset stomach" and "doesn't know how long" she'll want to stay at the party.
After avoiding conversation with the other girl, my GF was feeling better in about 15 minutes. Imagine that.
Funny thing is, I wasn't going to try anything with the other girl knowing that she had a boyfriend, even though it was common knowledge that "things were complicated" between the two of them. Even though my GF knew that information also, she was still worried sick that I was talking to this girl.
inspiron3000 8y ago
You experienced dread game without playing it conscientiously.
dodiat 8y ago
Dread game is powerful shit. Had you continued the conversation with plausible deniability your girlfriends hamster would have gone berserk
FeeFeeFeaster 8y ago
True, but this was long before I knew anything about dread game. It's funny looking back at your experiences pre-RP and post-RP.
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the_simurgh 8y ago
women are messed up like this because A: society never holds them responsible for their actions and B: a dysfunctional relationship with their father when left unresolved turns into a massive psycho-emotional hole that grows and consumes them. this is turn makes them makes them even if they don't they show it or not emotionally desperate and needy on several levels to a frightening degree.
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I actually needed this! This exact situation happened to me. My LTR broke things off with me two months ago. She dumped me through text message! Although it was the worse feeling I'd ever had, I maintained composure and told her that since she was dumping me, that I wasn't going to argue; I left it at that. She called me the next day to egg me on, and my dumbass argued and said some really fucked up things. She had someone new the next week, and I haven't heard from her since. With that being said; that situation actually lead me to this subreddit. This post is spot on!!
MisogynisticSh1tl0rd 8y ago
Heh, takes me back to my first experience with "love" and the first time I had my heart truly broken. Probably the only time, too. I'm pretty sure I'm so jaded now I could never love someone again the way I did that first time. I'd never allow myself to be in such a vulnerable position like that ever again.
The girl who I thought was the true love of my life was fucking someone else within a week. And of course it's not some awesome dude who I could at least feel like "ah well, he is better than me at least". Of course it has to be the worst kind of loser degenerate piece of shit you can imagine.
I was destroyed. It was honestly the worst emotional pain I've felt in my entire life and it lasted for weeks. Her actions went against everything I thought I knew.
If only I had an understanding of TRP back then.
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I'm going through it right now. Reading all of the useful info provided by our fellow RP guys is significantly helping though. I have a better understanding of where I went wrong, and am working to change myself from being beta. I do have a long ways to go, but realizing that there is a problem is the first step.
Golden_Dawn 8y ago
Congratulations. Well played.
NYCMusicMarathon 8y ago
Lesson: next time recognizing dumbass and really fucked up things.
Learned: Stop that, as soon as you recognize.
SetConsumes 8y ago
Being dumped through a text? Ouch, at least a phone call at minimum should be expected.
she helped you see reality, can you put a value on that?
Read up, there's lots to learn.
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SetConsumes 8y ago
Yup, and how cold they get is such a contrast to before
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We call this something akin to a light switch. Once it's flipped off it's off. And it happens just as quick as flipping a switch, snap your fingers just like that. This happened to me this week with a mid-30's gal I was trying to plate. Barely off my game, I'm talking not even 10% off I've gotten laid with way less game and the switch was just flipped after that meet she seems not interested. Best to mirror the disinterest, call it a loss.
dr_warlock 8y ago
Being dumped for being beta was the best thing to have ever happened to me.
babybopp 8y ago
You hit the nail on the head. It is a slow process and by the time you talk, it is just a formality. Same thing happened to me. I realized that during this slow process she had developed selective amnesia. Basically everything I had done for her .. somehow got downplayed and she just did not care. She 'forgot'. It is her brains hamstering to be able to walk away from u cold turkey
melb22 8y ago
This happened to me in my marriage. I had always imagined there would be an open communication of any discontents - that you would try to work things out. Didn't happen. The process being described in this thread happened.
trpalternate 8y ago
Briffault's Law strikes again.
DoctorNation 8y ago
She knew that guy before she broke up with you, bubba
Uptonogood 8y ago
Someone "new" (emphasis on quotes).
dr_warlock 8y ago
He's new to you.
First to go, last to know.
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I was actually dumped for some dyke bitch. It wasn't even another guy.
aDrunkenWhaler 8y ago
I give her a couple of months before she'll need a dick back in her. Be careful when she'll call you back.
sirfuckboysupreme 8y ago
Salty. You're still in the anger phase, but I'm sure if you do your reading you'll learn a wealth of information. You've a long and prosperous journey on this subreddit my friend.
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UniversalFapture 8y ago
Holy shit that happened to me my Freshman year. A girl i was trying to get with hated me so much for some reason and ended up spreading rumors about me stealing her phone and downloading her information! One day while talking to her she sat and watched as guy came and pulled my pants down! Of course this was at lunch and some people saw. She laughs out loud along with her friend. Of course i played it off the best way i could, but you know how these things end.
Next thing you know she's paying my friend a visit. Who know shot she's done.
They can both go to hell.
dr_warlock 8y ago
You should have laughed with her. "Dude that was totally funny, total burn" . This way you get in close, then slap that bitch. Unacceptable.
edit: Thought the girl pulled your pants down. If it was a guy, beat his face in.
UniversalFapture 8y ago
Yeah. I can't get into anymore fights. Almost had to go to court :/ for my last one. I talked about it Asktrp
GreatWhiteCuck 8y ago
Yeah I would take them down, rip their pants off then throw them up on something and have a good laugh
UniversalFapture 8y ago
I laughed with her, then complained about it when I got home. I wanted to punch the guy but this was before i started lifting and he was too big.
Fat big. Not muscle big
aDrunkenWhaler 8y ago
If shit like this happens again, let the pants fall, turn and face her, scratch your balls widely and say 'if you want to see my dick that bad, come closer. But there are people around so no touching'. Then turn to the guy and say 'sorry bro, I'm not gay. But I have a gay friend who's single. I'll hook you up, don't worry.'
UniversalFapture 8y ago
Yeah. I'll keep that in Mind. No way did i think shit like that was real. I didn't have time to really think, but I think playing along with it and laughing about at myself was a decent reaction
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dr_warlock 8y ago
Women don't care about disloyalty or being a slut, they just don't want to be perceived as one. She only cares about the narrative. There was no way she could leave you in that condition and still look like the 'good guy', so she waited for you to get better. Then she provided a bunch of bullshit hamster excuses as to why or claims to not know the reason.
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But we all know why
The-Ban-Hammer 8y ago
This. This x1000000000000000.
cockatricejr 8y ago
This link is pure gold. I fucking love this reddit board so much. It's truly changing my life.
inspiron3000 8y ago
Lots of truth here!
Met a girl on a bus - she was eye fucking me for 20 minutes. Got off at my stop; she followed me, we talked, I got her digits.
Call her up and invite her for coffee later in the week.
2 days later (before coffee date), coincidentally I bump into her again but this time I'm with a female friend.
They talk, I'm a bit stunned they know each other. Target is nervous.
Target talks about boyfriend who is ill. Target doesn't talk to me. Next day she calls off date by SMS.
Mithra9009 8y ago
That's a bit odd. I thought it was common for women to abandon men during a man's lowest point- when he is most in need of emotional support.
inspiron3000 8y ago
That is the point when women despise the beta the most - when he is weak and needy.
However, /u/dr_warlock is right that women need to perceived as nice and caring and not slutty.
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That or just out of decentcy. They may not be attracted but most people wouldn't drop someone in need, especially someone you'd dated for awhile.
VickVaseline 8y ago
I'm kind of surprised that she waited until you kinda got better.
askmrcia 8y ago
Because if she broke up with him while sick everyone would think of her as a bad guy. So she waited until be was better. Because in her mind she can say "look I'm a good girl. I took care of him while he was sick. I didn't break up with him because he was sick. I broke up with him over something else. He's the asshole. Not me."
Get it now?
adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Getting "The Talk" from your girlfriend is actually great for you. Sure, you've lost her. You are perceived as beta, and are being shit-tested with nuclears. But it is a great reminder never to invest on a woman.
So, she is leaving you, and you will be lonely. Big fucking deal. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself, feel lucky. See it this way: if this didn't happen now, imagine her as the mother of your children, doing the exact same thing, while taking your kids away too. See how lucky you are now?
There is nothing like hard, cold experience to hammer a counter-intuitive reality into your brain. Will she ever respect you again, see you as "alpha", get tingles from you? Maybe. Maybe not. She has done you a great service, though: she has irrevocably shown you that she can never be the mother of your children. She has forever lost that "right", that prospect. (Don't be an idiot, though, never tell her that.) She is not to be invested into - no woman is.
Many a "natural alpha" end up domesticated beta providers, because, being "alpha", never had the chance to see this side of woman's fickleness early enough. You had that chance. Be grateful.
-Adam
Bonus for married guys: Dread Game from a female psychologist: How to prevent a divorce - The Last Resort Technique
top-notch-alpha 8y ago
Hey i just had the talk a couple days ago. It was tough and hard for me throwing 2 years of fun but your comment really helped me see the bright side so i just want to thank you. Its funny how far a comment can go this goes to show that having male friends is better then ltr.
adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Thanks, appreciation is very much appreciated.
Take care of yourself, have fun.
inspiron3000 8y ago
It always goes pear shaped.
Her mother is proof.
Got the "We need to talk" line served by an ex.
What annoyed me was that she had no interest talking, no regard for my feelings, no interest in me at all really, yet she expected me to go through the motions of a break up so that she could be perceived a) by me, to have been kind, respectful, empathetic (she was none of those); b) perceived by others to have dumped me.
No reason for the break up, just "this isn't working'. 2 weeks earlier we were on holiday together - then silence.
The whole "act" of the break up was just that - she was over me, had lost all respect for me, I was her plate.
Dodged many, many bullets by being an uber beta.
dr_warlock 8y ago
The best technique: don't get married.
KartagoPill 8y ago
marriage is giving women too many rights.
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top-notch-alpha 8y ago
5 months wow im jealous mine was 2 years and it ended couple days ago. I was in your shoes... Glad you didnt continue because it would of just made you more stressed and unhappy.
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HeadingRed 8y ago
Don't worry there are a lot of others out there who feel the same way. I have had similar lines handed to me by more than one woman.
My ex once said "well the real reason I should break up with you is because you wouldn't do whatever it takes to get me back".
Comprehend this- most woman equate conflict with resolution and commitment. When you make her think you will not fight over\for her she now sees you an insincere.
skoobled 8y ago
That right there is the number one female sexual power fetish. The male equivalent would be having sex slaves in a dungeon...
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As soon as you've had the talk, even if the relationship could be saved, I would move on. She showed that she lost respect for you by having a backup guy behind your back meaning you broke frame before causing her to have the backup. If you have the talk and you somehow she stays without you becoming a beta bitch to get her to, I would just let it go because if she had the talk once, she's likely to go and cheat the next time you slip up.
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Or the opposite "talk"
"Where are we going" or the "What is this?" accompanied by the hand gesture back and forth between you.
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Invalidity 8y ago
This brings us back to the concept of hypergamy: women are always looking to constantly move up. As /u/dr_warlock pointed out, by the time you've had the talk, it's a clear indicator that she's found a better suitor. She's telling you problems that she's had with you and what you could do to "alleviate her needs", but in reality, she's building up a case against you.
She'll start by telling you that you need to do A for her. You do A for her but she's still upset and wants you to do B for her. This continues on to C and D and for however long you think you can last. At some point you're going to crack, and when you do, she's got a strong case to jump on to that guy waiting in the wings.
Subconsciously, she's conflicted by her feelings; she's being wooed by a new suitor and she's very interested, but she's still tied down to her current partner. If she was considering other partners, it means the attraction is all but gone with her current. All that's left is: "How can I make a decision and get the most out of everything, without damaging my reputation?"
She's thinking the problem can be fixed by being romanced again. Basically, she's under the assumption that it wasn't the new guy who made her conflicted, but rather the act of being wooed. She's confused (much in the same way women are when they tell you that they want men with beta qualities) in that respect. Would she really be interested in a scrub who woos her? Absolutely not.
So she's tells her current, "Hey do this for me, that will make me happy again." She'll realize it won't make her happy. The more problems she expresses on to her current, the more discontent will be had. The second the guy loses his composure, she's gone.
The bottomline: before you've had the talk, she's already having problems with you and she has a new toy to play with.
yomo86 8y ago
The Talk is a power move to hold up your frame and to remain in a stalemate.
Remember girls move up but moving up from you - a decent betafied guy with a job, education, looks - is hard. Why? Because it is either a Chad who is even more fickle about committing than she is or it is such a King of the BBs that other women want him, too, she is moving up to. So she keeps you around buying herself time to lock down the other guy. And if it did not turn out as expected.... you two reconcile because reasons.
UniversalFapture 8y ago
A lot of this shit purposely gets tossed on you. As /u/dr_warlock and a few others have pointed out, she has already mad cup her mind about whats she is going to do when the ''The Talk'' is initiated.
It's not necessarily the fault of the man for acting the way he does, though. Its whats been taught. After a while, You'll realize that even interacting with women you aren't trying to game is not worth it.
sqerl 8y ago
This is why TRP exists. Women have men figured out. They invade male spaces and separate us to prevent us from becoming aware. Their game is short. If too many people find out, thier lives are harder. Too bad there's so many blind men that will give their lives for female company.
ThomasPaine4Trump 8y ago
Happened to my buddy at work the other day. He's been married for several years, and his wife comes home one day to give him "the talk". Despite his pleas and such, she informed him that she din't think it'd work out and that she was in fact already engaged to some young kid despite obviously being married to him.
He was giving her whatever she wanted out of heartbreak, and had foregone a lawyer. Myself and a boss told him to grow a pair, lawyer up, and fuck her in the legal sense like she wants to be fucked in the bedroom. Hopefully he follows our advice, else she's going to take him for everything.
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I used to jog with my dogs. Like a mini Rollo, I have a mini greyhound. One day he broke free of the leash, and started to run off. I would chase after him, but he would keep running, just out of reach. He ended up jogging home thorough a busy boulevard, turning back to see if I was following, then he stopped at the house, sat down and waited for me to let him in.
He didn't like jogging. He got what he wanted, and I didn't get to finish my run.
Happened with out other little guy some time later, while walking around. Remembering the past time, I turned around and run the oppositte direction. You'd think I stole his lunch, he booked it full tilt towards me. I stopped, he ran into me, I picked him up, and put his collar back on.
Now the dogs don't run further than 20 feet from me, unless I'm at the park.
fingerthemoon 8y ago
I've had huskies which are notorious for running off. One trick is to pretend you're digging. They can't help wanting to know and come up to you. Another trick I read about but never tried, which supposedly should only be used once, is to throw yourself on the ground and start yelling in pain. They should come to investigate.
I bought a shock collar and trained my last one to always obey my commands because I wanted him to be off leash most of the time. It wasn't easy but it's possible to get even the most obstinate dog to be completely under your control at all times. He would heal perfectly through the city off leash and I trained him to come with a whistle while in the woods. I've even called him off chasing deer numerous times. One time it probably saved his life as the deer ran into the road between cars, he stopped right before the road and came back to me. My friends dog chased the deer across the road and almost got hit.
shokzee 8y ago
Yeah I think you missed the point
fingerthemoon 8y ago
What? Do you mean the analogy of not chasing but making them chase you, or the fact that he has no control (dominance) over his dog and can't attach a collar properly?
audscias 8y ago
Same happens with my dog. The collar broke the other day. If I chased him he ran. I stopped and told him to com in an authoritative manner and he came like my little bitch he is.
Veritas_potissimum 8y ago
This occurs at work too, not just relationships. Women are several steps ahead of the decision of parting with you if she is your boss for example. Learn to clue in and watch the signs. I've learned that women by and large don't give second chances, unlike men. Sure they may say it but things have already moved on because she has made the decision.
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Never talk before the breakup, and never talk after the breakup.
Closure is an excuse for her to rationalize her behavior. If she cheats or generally did something that reflects poorly on her, she's going to want to resolve things before going separate ways. I've even had women try to resolve things and get back together even when she knows she's going to end it eventually. She doesn't want to end things on a sour note that affects her self-image. At some point, either before or after the breakup, she's going to reach out to you and try to atone for her mistakes, but it's not her mistakes that she regrets. She wants to think of herself highly again. She knows she's a piece of shit, but doesn't want to think that way. If she can get you to forgive her then she's off the hook for her behavior.
That being said, we're not on a vendetta against our exes here. We're looking out for ourselves and only ourselves. Your ex is no more important than any other girl in the world once she's your ex. It shouldn't matter to you if she stews in guilt and her life is ruined over the breakup or if she finds a guy who is better looking and more successful than you the next day and then cures cancer. In fact, hope she finds someone better, because that's one less guy out there fucking the girls you actually want to be with. Once she's gone she's gone. Ditch the revenge fantasy. Stop caring if she's fucking other people. Never try to get your last word in.
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Jaereth 8y ago
This is why you should always keep a few other girls on the line, even if you are in a committed relationship.
I'm in one, but I still keep a little tension going with a few women I know. You should always have a woman that's immediately ready to fuck you in your social circle, if you can manage it.
ex_addict_bro 8y ago
The exact same thing happened in my situation this year. You better believe this and act accordingly. Or else.
mindmonkey00 8y ago
This is manipulative garbage. You are not incharge of anyone. To make them upset inorder to change their minds is almost abusive. You don't deserve anyone with that kind of behavior. I hope a woman never has to experience the shit you put her through.
dr_warlock 8y ago
Once you take the redpill, the word 'manipulative' fails to have meaning. Like the word 'objectification'.
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Using this logic, it would mean no woman on this planet 'deserves' any man. Women are the experts at this 'manipulative garbage'. This topic is just the tip of the iceberg for them.
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You are a monkey with a bluepill mind.
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
If she's a plate, you don't care.
SosaNovation 8y ago
This is all very true. I've experienced 3) months earlier, and it's completely different than 1) or 2). As soon as my ex found out I was casually gaming / talking to a girl, she threw a bitch fit and had shitty attitude in general. My scarcity mentality (and other things like her texting a bunch of guys) eventually led me to cut contact with this potential side piece. Same thing happened a couple of weeks later when an old fling decided to start talking to me again, and I did the same damn thing because of my beta mentality. By then I was a full blown beta not even considering talking to other women. At that point, the relationship started to deteriorate. 1) or possibly even 2) began to occur. All my efforts were in trying to win her back, and being the nice/good guy. Eventually I got dumped, and now reading all of this it makes perfect sense lol.
It's kind of a shitty situation, but I always try to think back to the girls I hooked up with that were far my attractive than the ex and It makes me happy because I know if I do decide to get into another LTR it will be a step up (this was also my first LTR that I blindly got into) since before her I had much better options. Men always overcome in the end!
OilyB 8y ago
Damn man, I've been the guy waiting in the wings for a couple of months now. She's married, her feelings for her husband are gone. We see each other once in a while, she's in love with me (she says) and I'm slightly infatuated but tell her "how can I love you if I don't know who or how you are in daily life?"
She's told her husband the love is gone, he goes into relationship saving mode and does everything for her. It's been 8 months now,he's living somewhere else and comes home on the weekends, they still have sex. She's not taking measures to really divorce him though... She's waiting for him to make a mistake. And then she'll act up a storm and leave, leaving him the guilty one.
This one's AWALT as well and she'll pull the same trick with me in a number of years.
Edit: additionally: she has sex with her husband so she's not exclusive to me, I also date and plate and she knows that. Fun fact, it drives her crazy though.
RenegadeBox 8y ago
If you come into the game with a flag on the field don't be surprised that there's a flag on the field when you go to play. AWALT, good luck branch.
Random-Reddit-Lurker 8y ago
Standby beta faggot = you.
Have a nice day!
OilyB 8y ago
Nice day to you too, sir. Keep working with insufficient information, you'll go places.
zezozio 8y ago
Been there, done that, paid the price.
She's using you to get rid of him (and for feeling slutty/empowered for fucking 2 men in short order)
IF she leaves him, after a while, you won't be enough, and she'll move on... again.
After much thought, I believe the only solution: turn the table on her: leaving her, and giving her 2 weeks to sort her stuff and try and get you back. She most probably won't do it.
OilyB 8y ago
Well, I've got the upper hand, so I observe and date/plate away. She also knows this. Should I get into a relationship, I'll tell her and plate her. She'd probably not even mind.
creepyguy13 8y ago
I broke up with my girlfriend a few days ago. Girl was definitely in love and begged and pleaded with me to not break up with her. There is nothing wrong with the girl, ya know sometimes shit just doesn't work out. I love the girl in a supportive way and want nothing but the best for her. It just didn't work. She begged me for closure, for three days straight she called and asked if we were really done. She said she would rather be in an open relationship then be done, but I didn't want to do that to the girl. I had to say, "I want to talk to other girls," for her to have her closure.
Now the question: once your out of that anger phase some of us just really feel bad doing things. I feel like a total asshole. She didn't deserve it I just didn't want to do it anymore. After I told her I wanted to talk to other girls. I sent a long ass closure text trying to make her feel better, "it's me not you, etc" On the other side of the spectrum would you give a girl closure if she didn't wrong you?
GreatWhiteCuck 8y ago
Flip it and she ain't got no remorse for you
Goomich 8y ago
Not video and not a model
MAX_Fury 8y ago
I posted a topic on NOT giving women closure, got ripped for it and downvoted hard.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
A submissive woman is not permitted to bring up "the talk".
So based on control logic it's "over" because she is Shit Testing by the very idea of her being in control.
Think of it this way...
You are a lowly crewman on a large ship. You see the Captain and decide:
"You know what?"
"I'm going to go right up to the Captain and give him a little talk about how he is running this ship."
The root problem:
"Absolute disrespect towards the Captain."
If the Captain wants advice he asks the crew.
The crew does not lecture the Captain.
Throw this one overboard and let the sharks eat her up... Next.
Ou-tis 8y ago
And why?Because captain don't take on board shitty sailors,punish and reward them with justness and hang the mutineers (dump the woman with no turning back). Maybe an efficient navy school is not easy to find,so the multitude of feckless sailors,but the burden of command is always on the captain's shoulders.
Theotropho 8y ago
Always have an exit plan, don't resent people for taking the same precaution.
sezamus 8y ago
Oh my f... god. My ex-gf did exactly the same. And I was dumb enough to believe in that fuckshit drama. It so cruel when you see her crying eyes and you want to "make things right" but it is a trap to humiliate you in her subconscious.
Geeeez...
mossbergman 8y ago
Women are like monkeys, they don't let go of the current branch until they've grasped the next.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Honestly the title of this post was all I needed to read before flashbacks of a few situations popped up in my mind and I knew exactly what /u/dr_warlock was talking about. Reading the properly formatted post just confirmed that.
Best thing I found is leave in the way most painful to the woman if she's doing you bad. If you are both respectable to each other then sure leave amicably. If she's cheating or being a mental terrorist show no mercy. For example she's with you at her family or a friends place for some holiday or some other party/celebration just to make an appearance you should dump her in front of all of them. State why (cheating/no sex/total bitch) and then leave on your own, do not worry about her ride. What's bad is we usually call this a nuclear option, yet the mixture of no closure and public shame seem to keep them crawling back.....always tell them no though, never take a woman back after you call it off, especially in public. I tried it once last fall while I was new, shit gets worse if they are allowed back in.
lIlIIIlll 8y ago
This hit so close to home I had to take a break from work and stare at a wall for 20 minutes.
cashan0va_007 8y ago
Yep, hits close to home for me, too. I never considered myself a beta by any means. At one point in my life, I had a girlfriend and her best friend sleeping in my bed. I don't have alpha physical characteristics but I act "as if" I don't give a fuck and never will. That worked wonders for me. After those two girls, one left and I had the other still; and then I broke up with the second girl. The next relationship (1-2 years) after that one I was really into because of how insanely attractive the girl was. That's where I encountered something similar to these situations. I was doing too much for her and never kept myself as a priority. I treated her like a queen instead of treating her how she should be treated. So I invested all my time and resources and money into her, and not myself. That's why beta males get so hurt when they lose a woman, because the financial, emotional investment and loss is also a big deal. The girls costs emotionally and financially - and it leaves some men down for a long time.
Edit: more details and clarification
hyorilee 8y ago
I find myself in a similar situation as you, care to elaborate on how your relationship with the insanely attractive girl ended?
cashan0va_007 8y ago
We ended up going our separate ways. It seems I found a few moments of clarity about her behavior. I did everything for this girl and more, and it wasn't enough. Eventually, she started to resent me for doing so much. So I think the best way to have a relationship with a girl like that is to give as little as possible. I never had put a girl on a pedestal until that point. And it seems every relationship I had up until that point went smooth.
hyorilee 8y ago
Well said, thanks for the reply.
1991Kira 8y ago
This is the point which really reinforces the core msg of TRP, in my opinion. Women are fundamentally incapable of being on their own. You'll notice that whenever a guy describes himself as "single", it usually means "unattached". But for a woman, being "single" means "in between relationships".
Despite what feminism likes to say, the fact remains that women need men far more than we men will ever need them. Remember brothers, there's no such thing as WGTOW.
wont_tell_i_refuse_ 8y ago
Guy describes himself as single: He's most likely actually single
Girl describes herself as single: She's fucking multiple men a week
mllrhgn 8y ago
the motto: no validation. don't feel the need to do things for her in the hope that she reciprocates.
XelentGamer 8y ago
I don't know if this is my story to share but on another sub a girl went on vacation with her girl friends and she called her BF. She was drunk and he knew it. She then said, "Can we take a break?" And in the most red pill response I can think of he responded with "Sure take all the time you want because we are done." He saw correctly what he question was. She met a guy at the party and wanted to fuck him but she wanted to be able to abort if it didn't work out and come back and say "You agreed to a break what do you want from me?" Or something similar.
Women branch swing, they mate hop. They do not end a relationship in the appropriate way without having something lined up and if for some reason you surprise them and leave them without something lined up this is where the term "rebound sex" comes from. This is all women ... Just like we say here. I've seen this in my own mother from a generation before modern hoing.
causeandcorrelation 8y ago
The hard part of coming to terms with female game is understanding that ones own mother played it. And ones own father is highly pussified
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the day you wake up and realize your mom is AWALT, and your dad has been redpilling her for 30+ years, is like seeing the matrix for what it really is.
davindragul 8y ago
It's horrible because, especially, if you live at home, you see examples of it literally every day, and it's the people you should look up to doing it.
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bigk12345 8y ago
Thanks a lot for the post. This clarifies a lot
My ex LTR wanted to talk and broke things off before trip.
When I was unfazed she said shit " There is absolutely nothing you can do to fix it , even if you got down on one knee" to immediately saying shit like you don't care about the relationship when I stood my ground.
As soon as I caved and went to get her ,she says she is not breaking up with me because anyone cheated And not bother coming down.
Bitch just wanted some closure to paint me as a bad guy in her mind to justify her selfish cheating behaviour.
Now I know better.
Thanks for the post.
ChrisBenRoy 8y ago
Can say from experience that this is factual. Every time this has happened to me, the girl was on another dick (or vagina once) within a week.
It's been a long journey comrades.
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Wow, this hits close to home for me. Was dating a girl for a while, the relationship was perfect. No drama, we both had our own interests but enjoyed our time together, we were like two peas in a pod and she was funny as hell. She would cook for me, give me massages, all the stuff to make me happy. We ended up splitting because I went traveling and we both moved to different cities. We stayed in touch texting each other almost daily, we were basically best friends.
Well she came and visited me and things were good, although I could sense some underlying tension. She stayed with me for a week, and on the last night we were together we went out drinking. She ended up slapping me in the face (I don't remember how exactly we got there, but it was seemingly out of the blue). I slapped her right back and we got in the car and drove home. The entire way she was verbally berating me because "she knew I was fucking other girls!!" And "do you know how that feels?!" I didn't say anything back to her the entire 45 minute car ride home.
The next morning she packed her shit and said she couldn't do this anymore and blah blah blah. It was too hard for her to keep talking to me and that she needed to move on. Basically all of the shit OP posted. I was blue pill at the time and did my best to console her and all of that. Now reading through this it all makes sense. What a mistake!
kiboo95 8y ago
So let's say I made a mistake and gave closure to my ex and tried to win her back: at this point is there no chance of her ever trying to reach out to me? I haven't contacted her in over two months
causeandcorrelation 8y ago
There is a chance. But do you really want it? You are no longer her best option.
WhyNotJustEnjoyLife 8y ago
You just made it easier for her to get over you. You're giving away validation like a slut gives away blowjobs.
dr_warlock 8y ago
The fact that you're wondering if there's ever hope of rekindling what you once had is the very reason she left and the reason she won't come back.
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Time to move on bruh.
- But since you're a newb, and if you insist: http://www.redpilldoctor.com/skeptical-trp-theory-try-ex-gf-step-step-guide-chad/
kiboo95 8y ago
I've read this already but I haven't done this because she hasn't hit me up at all. Should I even attempt this but instead reach out to her first?
dr_warlock 8y ago
Never. There is no 'alpha' way to enter a ex-gf's frame after she broke up with you for being beta.
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audscias 8y ago
You. Never. Go. Back. To. An. Ex.
Period.
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kiboo95 8y ago
I was expecting these types of replies and I understand why, but I want to plate her
Pwnemon 8y ago
no, you have oneitis. just because you're using terms like plate doesn't mean you have the right mindset. youre looking for some excuse to justify the fact that you still want her, but the fact is you need to stop wanting her.
dr_warlock 8y ago
/u/Pwnemon is right. You're not ready. Had a guy PM with the same problem. The ex contacted him, they hung out and he completely bombed it because he still wasn't over her.
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The only way to approach an ex with the intent to plate is with a "this bitch ain't shit" attitude. You have to be willing to go 100% chad and not give any fucks about what happens.
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