Someone I know, lets call him Adam, got married three years ago to this woman, lets call her Eve, and is now about to go through a divorce.
Adam is a self sufficient guy, 37 years old, makes $80K-$100K in a sales position (does work 50 hours a week regularly though). He comes from a stable family background (his parents are married - little to no dysfunctional history). He's a charismatic speaker, in shape, works out regularly, owns his own home, has some real estate investments, has a retirement fund, has some cash in the bank, has an active social life with a circle of "mover and shaker" business types and is overall a decent guy who has empathy for others (is not a douche).
Eve is 27 years old, never has been self supportive. She's currently an administrative assistant at a tech company. She has a wealthy, but very dysfunctional family. Her mom is total born again type Jesus freak who has MAJOR control issues, is emotionally abusive, pathologically selfish with extremely manipulative and vindictive tendencies. Her father is a wealthy business man, but a raging alcoholic with a failing liver - drinking to his death presently like Nick Cage in Leaving Las Vegas (except he's doing it at home without a prostitute). Although they are still married, Eve's mom and dad live in separate bedrooms.
Prior to marrying Adam, Eve was financially dependent on her father. He put her on the payroll of his company (although she's never really worked for him) and beyond part time jobs with low commitment levels (like being a hostess at a restaurant) she relied on her father to pay her bills for her. Daddy bought her a townhouse (owned by the company) and paid all her bills (expensed through the company).
Oh, and Eve rode the cock carousel. She rode it so hard, I don't think you can call it a carousel. It was more like she went to the Cock Theme Park and rode every single ride - twice.
For example, before marrying Adam, Eve fucked one of Adam's best friends. During one night of partying at Adam's friend's house, Eve fucked Adam's friend's roommate and then left the roommate's bedroom and went into Adam's friend's room (he left the door open) and got into bed with him. Eve's sexual history was infamous in that social circle. Adam's friend nicknamed her "Piggie".
When it was Adam's turn as an attraction/ride at the Cock Theme Park^TM, Adam treated Eve with respect and kindness. He disregarded her sexual history and took her on respectable dates, got into an LTR with her and married her. A few people warned Adam not to marry Eve, but he did anyway.
Eve moved from her daddy's townhouse to Adam's house. She got a real 9-5 job (but remained on daddy's payroll). Adam paid all the bills and Eve paid off her student loans in the three years of marriage, contributed the full 13% to her retirement and contributed some to the jointly held savings.
Within the first year of marriage, Eve was very unhappy (not enough money/attention/strange cock). She beat up Adam emotionally and constantly put him down. Adam was not financially successful enough for Eve, stating they can't have children until Adam meets a certain threshold of wealth. She forced Adam to go to marriage counseling (at Adam's expense).
Naturally, at marriage counseling Adam was forced to assume all the blame in the unhappy marriage. Adam wasn't subservient enough to Eve's emotional demands, according to marriage counselors. Adam wasn't pedestaling Eve enough and not doing enough chores, they said. The reality was Eve is just a total selfish cunt who was constantly putting Adam down - and Adam was in a day to day fight for his self esteem and self worth. Adam started drinking a bit more than normal to cope with the anxiety and stress of the marriage. Eve used this against Adam, saying that it was an indictment of character.
Late in 2013, things began to change for the worse in Adam and Eve's marriage (worse than things already were). Eve grew colder and more distant from Adam. The number Eve complaining comments made to others about the marriage rose sharply. Some time before that, Eve had befriended a male co-worker who was married, lets call him Judas. Judas was a high profile employee at the company who made $170K+ a year - he was also a fat geek who wore coke bottle glasses. Adam and Eve hung out as a couple with Judas and his wife often, going to their house for dinner parties. Adam and Judas often hung out together without the girls, drinking beer and watching sports. It wasn't that abnormal for Eve to talk about Judas in a positive light, but late in 2013 she started talking about him more than usual.
A few weeks ago, Eve told Adam she was going to visit a high school friend who was having a baby shower. This friend lived a few towns away, so Eve was going to drive up for the weekend. Adam said Hey, no problem and off she went.
Later on that weekend Adam's business partner called Adam and said that he saw Eve at a local resort tiki bar having cocktails with Judas. Adam immediately searched through cellphone records and discovered a high amount of texts and calls between Eve and Judas starting back in December 2013. Adam was distraught. Adam confronted Eve and Judas and called Judas' wife (who happened to have a miscarriage 4 days before Judas and Eve's weekend getaway). Adam reported the affair to Eve and Judas' job and got Judas fired for violating a fraternization and morality policy.
After all this, Adam was contemplating forgiving Eve. Adam's brothers who were aware of the ongoing situation and confronted Adam and said WTF are you thinking?. Thankfully, they got through to Adam and during another one of Adam and Eve's arguments - Adam finally had his moment of clarity when Eve's bullshit manipulations got so contrived that Adam could no longer discount the inevitable reality and said he wants a divorce, asked Eve to move out. Eve recognizing that she couldn't bullshit her way out of this situation and that the inevitable had finally arrived, locked herself in one of the bedrooms and said she's afraid to come out and threatened Adam that unless he "sits down and talks this out like an adult" she was going to call the police and get a restraining order. Adam then called Eve's father and told him to move his daughter out of the house immediately or he was going to narc him out to the IRS. Eve's father is now on his way to move Eve back into the townhouse.
There's more to the story, but that's the basics of it. The moral? NEVER wife up a slut. Adam is super lucky he didn't have children with Eve - or else he would have been FUCKED. Although Adam is likely to come out of this with minimal damage - he's got to write out a big check - it could have been infinitely worse. For many men who do not avoid the glaring warning signs - it is. You just can't turn chicken shit into chicken salad, gentlemen. There are things that even the best game cannot overcome. Cock carousel riders are selfish narcissists and they can do damage to your life if you do anything more than pump and dump them. Adam only has to get through the shame and embarrassment and mend his broken heart - which bad enough to keep him from sleeping at night. However he could have been damaged permanently - either by huge financial garnishments, arrest and criminal prosecution via false accusations or both. Let this be a lesson to you all.
MrZulog 10y ago
Sounds like an impersonal version of the movie Casino.
trudatness 10y ago
Adam's not in a good place right now. He's separated, got the locks changed, but the bitch ex wife wiped out his savings accounts.
He called me 2 AM early Tuesday AM when I had to be at work at 7.
He had a date blow up in his face and he was without his car so he walked home. (Why he didn't get a cab I don't know)
At one point, during our hour long conversation, he started to sob audibly - full on bawling.
His bitch of a wife fucked him up. He's in the shit right now. He's drinking HEAVILY and he's a mess.
MrZulog 10y ago
And I assume she is talking the divorce relatively easy? She probably will not regret until she is dating a shady druggie who beats her.
[deleted] 10y ago
The problem is that you can wife up a virgin and she can later get a friend who reprograms her as a feminist. A better rule is don't wife up at all if you are alpha and if you are beta wait until you are old. I wouldn't recommend middle ages as a single beta guy. That is a recipe for depression. Yes, don't wife up a slut, wife up a younger puritanical girl and mind her friendships influences--you could still get hosed though.
[deleted] 10y ago
In this moment of breaking, can you give “Adam" a dose of some TRP ?
watersign 10y ago
PROSTITUTES > MARRIAGE
successful_brown_man 10y ago
Can I ask. What happens to these type of women? Where do their lives go?
I ask because I know a girl exactly like this who is trying to find a husband (to fuck over, I'm sure) at the moment.
I wonder what her future looks like? Doesn't she want to settle and live a normal happy life?
Prattler26 10y ago
Bad people grow old, too...
YourFoxyFriend 10y ago
I've always wondered the same thing. I guess find a guy who puts up with her shit.
If/when I start talking to a girl, i tend figure out her past by other people, herself, or how she is in bed. If she has gotten around my friend group, another group of dudes, or has a higher body count than I do, she's getting kicked to the curb. That's not wife material.
Opposed to the opinion of many on this subreddit, I want kids. I want a wife. I want a family. I want to provide for them. I want to continue my legacy. I want to chop down a god damn Christmas tree and have the jolliest holiday season the world has ever seen with those I love most.
AlmostRP 10y ago
You choose the hard path. Not that it won't be worth it, but many men have ended up blindsided by divorce because they didn't have a true idea regarding what was going on.
GM3d6 10y ago
God damn. Why do men still get married? I made that mistake once and decided it was a bad gamble.
luciansolaris 10y ago
I'm glad this ended for the better, but I hope "Adam" spends at least a year, required, on TRP and Heartiste's site before even commenting on a woman's looks, let alone dating...
furythree 10y ago
so since you sound like a friend of adam's. was your cock part of the carousel she rode too? =)
trudatness 10y ago
No it was not. I have been in an LTR/Marriage since before they met.
Wrong_Opinion 10y ago
Good god, how terrifying. If I see someone spell rode as road one more time I think I'll shun human association for good.
p3ndulum 10y ago
Royalty over here.
midWRITEdle 10y ago
When some one fucks up a homophone, I assume they don't read much.
But when talking, if someone fucks up a pronunciation (assuming it's not a five cent word), I assume they are well read, or at least read more than they talk. Which i consider to be a badge of honor of sorts.
Also this: http://eggcorns.lascribe.net
piqued_motherfucker 10y ago
my man!
Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago
Not only do you not want to wife up a slut, you also wanna avoid a woman with severe family issues. Jesus, this bitch's family, alone, should've been a gigantic red flag. Of course, the two factors (slutty behavior and mommy/daddy issues) are usually related.
FullMetalAsshole 10y ago
Hoe + The best game on the planet ≠ Housewife
pwrfull 10y ago
"You just can't turn chicken shit into chicken salad, gentlemen." Well summarized good sir!
Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago
Quote of the month. I'm totally stealing it.
[deleted] 10y ago
When you say he has to write out a big cheque I really doubt that.
She fights for any money all of a sudden her books gets opened as well and well look at that she owns a townhouse and she collects two wages so he might actually be able to get some reimbursement.
Also I am sure daddy dear wouldn't want that to happen as well. Tell Adam he shouldn't pay her a cent.
trudatness 10y ago
It would cost more in attorneys fees than the fight is worth.
She wants half the cash savings and to keep her retirement accounts.
With a few strokes of the pen, she's gone - if he stays on course and doesn't blue pill out.
[deleted] 10y ago
True but why pay anything? Doesn't even have to get into that fight but the threat of the fight will scare them off guaranteed.
He has major leverage here and she doesn't want the books opened and neither does her father. The fact he pays anything is a joke. If I was him I would offer for her to keep her retirement accounts and none of the cash savings. I am sure they will cave and if they really don't then you can fallback on the half life savings.
Then when all is said and done tell the IRS.
trudatness 10y ago
I really don't know exactly what Adam is going to do, but I'm thinking he just wants this whole grisly affair to be over and done with.
I don't think he's itching for a fight.
I can't say I blame him. Maybe there's some wisdom in just cutting one's losses.
[deleted] 10y ago
Oh there is wisdom in cutting your losses. If this was actually going to be a fight I would completely agree with you. However the dad no way in hell wants her books looked at or she does herself.
Worst case scenario for Adam is that if a fight occurs her books get looked at and it shows the income from 2 jobs there as well as a townhouse. Compared with what Adam is on so chances are nothing will get paid out and in fact if it does it will go towards him. His loss would be about the same as what he is offering now.
Worst case scenario for Eve she has to pay out money towards Adam. She loses her cushy paid job for nothing and not working. Her dad faces huge fines and possible jail time for fraud and also has to back pay the tax he has clearly avoided on top of the fines/jail time.
Him paying up would be like folding with a royal flush.
carrotcake4 10y ago
I don't understand why Eve has student loans if her dad could buy her a house. That's a huge red flag in critical thinking skills. Why doesn't he pay off her student loans or why didn't he pay off her education if he's so wealthy? Something is fishy here just based on that alone. My dad isn't wealthy and he managed to pay my college tuition because we live frugally. It's a bad sign that she lives a life of luxury but has huge loans under her belt. I would say that and her work history are major red flags as well.
trudatness 10y ago
I think dad was using the debt to control her behavior.
Edit: Remember her house and monthly stipends were tax write offs.
cottonsweatpants 10y ago
As a male, I see a majority of these tales as just examples of fools missing obvious red flags. I've been downvoted for this sentiment before, but I already knew there were worthless women before this subreddit.
trudatness 10y ago
Yeah, but for some noobs, this is a foreign concept. They are still plugged into the fairy tale that all women are inherently good.
They don't know to look out for red flags. They don't fully comprehend the risks.
That is what this is about. It's not about having a hate-women party. It's about empowering subscribers with sufficient awareness - opening their eyes.
aryan_crayon 10y ago
TL;DR made up Red Pill story
[deleted] 10y ago
I think you value downvotes
aryan_crayon 10y ago
apparently not enough :)
itsmsbetty 10y ago
Really, what would be the point of making this up?
Nothing about this story seems off.. just fucked up girls being fucked up. And loser guys being losers. Nothing new here
trudatness 10y ago
100% true. Don't even trip.
aryan_crayon 10y ago
sorry, my shoelaces were untied
trudatness 10y ago
Well then, I'm not surprised then.
[deleted] 10y ago
I always considered slutty behavior as using sex as a means of currency whether for money or power. It reflects the girls behavior to solve every problem with ability to put out instead of her logic. Now I am not saying doing so is not always the logical thing to do but it is like this very post implies a track record. Non-slutty girls as /u/PlusGoody suggests still use attraction and frequently use powerplays to lock down the man. Their "fruit" is that much more appetizing (look at delay discounting if you want a better definition). This technique is employed by women that come from the opposite direction. Both very potent to their respective male counterpart.
Heuristics 10y ago
Good story. Question: How hot is Eve? Someone nicknaming her for a pig doesn't sound good.
trudatness 10y ago
5'9"-5'10" thin, with long legs. 8 Body with smallish tits. Little bit of a butter face. Short hair cut (go figure).
vandaalen 10y ago
Thanks for making me look that up and teaching me a new and funny english term.
Tarnsman4Life 10y ago
Yep I remember when I had to do that; my ex was a 'butter face". 8 Body; REALLY nice large natural breasts...but her face was a disaster.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
Every major language seems to have one of these.
"Bakku-shan" (beautiful back) is a Japanese term that refers to a girl who is beautiful only from behind. I know a German who even uses it as there's an indie German band named after the term. I think the "shan" part is based off a German root word for beautiful.
"Beethoven" is a Chinese one that also refers to a beautiful back. I.e. "Bei Duo Feng" = back has many points (but with a face of Beethoven...).
There are a few others that I don't remember as well and have a harder time finding online.
hyorilee 10y ago
"prawn" if you're australian
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[deleted] 10y ago
ive never heard that and i use butter face all the time
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FrostyGoingHisOwnWay 10y ago
Interesting story and I kinda knew how it was going to end before I even finished the 3rd paragraph detailing the differences in responsibility and earnings between the 2.
From the amount of detail there I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess that you're Adam? If so, sorry man, that's harsh.
Moral of the story, don't get married. People cheat, sometimes it's men and sometimes it's women, sometimes there's predictors such as promiscuity but the simple fact is sometimes there's not.
There's a growing number of sociopaths in society and they're extremely manipulative and can hide emotions extremely well, I happened to be a "Judas" to a women who was engaged, a stupid move to be sure. But my failings aside she taught me just how emotionally dysfunctional people can be, while on the outside appearing perfectly normal, sweet and innocent.
You should consider the possibility that someone caught cheating might have cheated before, or could be a serial cheater, which is what the woman I was seeing turned out to be.
Just don't get married, everyone likes to think they're a good judge of character but you can land a sociopath and not even know it, when you have a home, savings and maybe even children on the line, you're fucked.
trudatness 10y ago
No I'm not Adam. I wish it were. This pales in comparison to my war story. I happened to be much further removed from my flashpoint - Adam is still in the middle of his.
Through my experience here at /r/TheRedPill I keep wanting to believe that marriage is something good, inherently. I still believe it can be under the right factors, but I can't discount the perspective that contemporary marriage offers too much risk and not enough reward for the average western man.
This is the reality we as men we live in today. Anyone who denies it is a fool.
iluminatiNYC 10y ago
The problem isn't the whoring. The problem is the dysfunctional family dynamics. The sluttiness was a symptom of the issues, NOT the cause. This is why looking at a woman's body count in and of itself is misleading.
Anyone (male or female, keeping it real) who grew up in a household like that who didn't realize that "gee, living with a female dog for a mom and an alkie like my dad isn't emotionally healthy, and perhaps I should do something about that" is bad news, period. Her ability to form lasting, loving relationships is doomed. While some women in this spot end up slutty, some women may end up chaste because they're afraid to deal with anyone. Focusing on body count helps you avoid the former, but doesn't help with the latter. That's why you should check both the background of the women you're dealing with AND their families. They were her first teachers when it comes to relationships, and they will always hold the most sway.
Finally, dude from the healthy family needs a bit of work too. There's a bit of arrogance on his part trying to be Captain Save-A-Ho on this one. Love can't be given away like french fries at McDonald's. It's a process.
trudatness 10y ago
I completely agree that sluttiness is a symptom of the greater issues at hand.
When you see it at this level, you have to know that it's not just she's horny and likes sex - she's doing it to get validation and fill a void.
The high amount of indiscriminate sex she's having will absolutely lead to inevitable negative consequences, but she keeps doing it - over and over and over obsessively/compulsively. That's a problem.
Now here come feminists to tell us that there's nothing to see here and to move along, as if the problem lies with the person who raises an eyebrow while observing this kind of self destructive behavior and not with the girl who is acting it out. The whole "slut-shaming" narrative is completely farcical. While it is completely OK (and desired quite frankly) for women to have healthy sex drives, they still (like anyone else) have to make rational and discriminate decisions.
If you're horny and want to get laid, get a boyfriend for christ sakes. It's OK to take the occasional chance, but that shouldn't be your reoccurring pattern of behavior. Weave some appropriateness into how you conduct your sexual life.
As men, when we observe a woman conducting her sex life with some discretion that is a huge tell on their personal character. When it comes to love and sex, we're the ones who take on the lion's share of potential consequences. We bare the financial fallout. Our condition of living is non-consequential to the final outcome of unintended consequence.
When you step into a situation like that, ignoring the blatant warning signals and shit goes wrong... Don't be shocked when you get fucked over.
iluminatiNYC 10y ago
DING DING DING! That's the issue you're looking for: the constant need for validation. I think that when people in the broader manosphere get caught up in body counts, they're missing the forest for the trees. While there are some knuckleheads are against women being horny, the vast majority want women to have a healthy sex drive and to use it responsibly.
[deleted] 10y ago
Insert Bevis and Butthead laugh
PlusGoody 10y ago
Non-slutty women can do every one of these things. They are especially prone to being rich daddy's girls unsympathetic to a middle class husband.
ilovemyself101 10y ago
Which is why in this time, NO one should be getting married.
You are not special, what you have is not special, you are a result of billions of years of evolutionary advancement.
johnnight 10y ago
spoiled daughters maximize on alpha seed:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/11/18/a-new-theory-explains-why-chicks-dig-jerks/
edit: although this "fat geek who wore coke bottle glasses" does not sound alpha, but his additional 70K sounds like the next branch swing
redpillredpill 10y ago
I'm being pursued by a girl with a very rich dad. She has no known ex-boyfriend (due to a very conservative, religious environment). I make low 6 figures. Are you saying I have no chance of maintaining frame/control of the relationship with her?
trudatness 10y ago
No I am not. However, you should proceed with a bit of caution. You should keep your eyes and ears open. It could end up being a GREAT thing, if mom and dad aren't controlling and think you're a swell guy.
If they see the situation as "gaining a son" - you've hit the mother lode.
Be honest. Be outcome independent - which in this case takes on special meaning because you want to be you're own man financially. Do not for one second let her or her parents believe that you are in it for the money. This can be best accomplished by NOT BEING IN IT FOR THE MONEY.
Do you like the girl? Do you think she's LTR material? Sounds like she actually might be a unicorn - that's worth investigating. If you do get involved and it gets serious enough for marriage, from start to finish - from now until the end of your life - don't ever count on her family money. Anything you get from the dad is just gravy that you didn't expect or ask for.
My first wife's dad is wealthy. On our wedding day, the asshole pushed prenup papers about some trusts in my face, I signed them without blinking. Why? Because I wasn't in it for his money, I was there because I am my own man and I loved his daughter. P.S. in our divorce - she's the one who fleeced $250K out of me - but that's another story, I digress.
Keep in mind that you could be put into a no-win situation. The ultimate tell happens when you meet the family and figure out what kind of people they are. If you meet them and sniff out trouble, don't be afraid to back off and focus your attentions elsewhere.
trudatness 10y ago
Certainly, but if they are total whores and rich daddy's girls there could be no bigger red flag of trouble.
FREEPIG 10y ago
Our past is a trajectory, we are our habits. A foolish man thinks he can change a scorpion into a frog.
[deleted] 10y ago
You are not your past; you are the lessons and experiences you've gleamed from your past.
dominotw 10y ago
This is absurd. I've seen plenty of drug addicts turn their lives around, some them came out stronger on the other end than they were before getting addicted to drugs.
Standard mutual fund disclaimer "past performance does not guarantee future results" applies to human beings as well.
[deleted] 10y ago
We're talking about the most likely outcome which means your glowing example that you picked out of the top 1% doesn't really cut it.
FrostyGoingHisOwnWay 10y ago
Statistically most drug addicts won't turn their life around, and statistically those who do often relapse at some point in the future.
Peoples nature doesn't change, they can sometimes fight their nature for a while or maybe for their entire life, but all else equal you'd be better off with someone with a good nature.
If you're happy to risk everything merely by relying on statistical likelihood then fine, but it's still a risk, even the best of us can go bad so it's still fundamentally a risk, albeit one you can mitigate.
The treatment of men during divorce forces suicide rates up to as much as 11x more than women during the same period, I personally don't believe that any risk is worth taking no matter how many predictors you use, just don't get married, it's that simple.
Howmydiktaste69 10y ago
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
-Aristotle
through_a_ways 10y ago
I'm pretty sure a larger number of them don't
reddit_analyst 10y ago
They turned their lives around precisely because they changed their habits.
trudatness 10y ago
Well there has to be some depth and weight as a proof that sincere change is happening for it to be believed.
You don't go in thinking you can fix things or shit is going to change. If you see proof of a change then you can have some better assurance of a positive outcome.
Remember, though... Old habits die hard.
Those very same drug addicts who turn their lives around can fall off the wagon. There still is inherent risk.
Mouthpiece 10y ago
NAWALT.
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BaltoSquadGuy 10y ago
As a fireman, I appreciate this analogy.
un-affiliated 10y ago
People can change. Expecting that they will change is lunacy. If they're truly motivated and committed, they'll do it long before they meet you.
When I weigh a girl's history, I weigh the last 3 years a lot more heavily than what came before it.
ryonen90 10y ago
This
boxotimbits 10y ago
What your saying is totally true in a court of law and legally ones past actions should never be used to convict them of future crimes; however, the recovery rate for addicts is extremely low ~5% and cock is an addiction. NAWALT.
massrabbler 10y ago
Something changed that trajectory. Nobody said it couldn't happen.
Those addicts still have to live with that addiction (not personal experience, but friends of)
gopher_glitz 10y ago
Rocky: Cause I'm a fighter! That's how I'm made, Adrian. That's what you married. We can't change what we are.
Adrian: [Softly] Yes you can.
Rocky: We can't change anything, Adrian. All we can do is just go with what we are.
J1MEONE 10y ago
Well if old Sly said it...it has to be true.
bluechaka 10y ago
All former drug users are never cured, but are only recovering drug addicts, and such are these women who used to/ride the carousel.
trudatness 10y ago
Well technically that's wrong. Some sober addicts are recovered if you take the definition from the Big Book Recovered from a hopeless state of mind and body. The allergy itself never goes away, but the hopeless state does.
But yeah. With these types, it's Instant manic-depressive loon, just add alcohol/drugs
With the carousel riders, when they realize that marriage and stability hasn't cured their restlessness, irritability and discontentment they look to hop back on the carousel because that's how they self medicate. They don't look inward - at their own character defects. They don't do the repair work necessary to make themselves happy - they blame everyone around them. They are a tornado of destruction.
After Captain Save A Ho fails miserably, she blames him for her continued unhappiness, fucks him over in the most heinous way imaginable and hops back on the carousel ride. It's inevitable and predictable.
Chippendork 10y ago
This story has nothing to do with going back to the carousel. It's pure hypergamy. IMHO the carousel is just a manifestation of competitive status-seeking behavior, has nothing to do with pleasure, and will totally give way to financial hypergamy later on in life, as in this story.
trudatness 10y ago
Hypergamy is absolutely a part of this story.
FREEPIG 10y ago
Well you said it so it must be true.
Have fun wasting your time respecting people who don't respect themselves.
Have no fear skanks, your hero dominotw will be there for you.
dominotw 10y ago
I didn't say it, its the nature of reality. Predicting future can only happen under a very limited set of circumstances where ALL variables are tightly controlled, also know as science. And even science is best guess considering its based on study of pervious patterns ( also known as mathematics) which itself is inconsistent [1].
Generalizations are just that, Generalizations. They exist because they are true most of the time. That doesn't mean you can apply it to predict all future.
Have fun living in a hypnosis of ignorant generalizations.
1.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_incompleteness_theorems
trudatness 10y ago
When there's smoke there's fire /r/dominotw. Having reasonable levels of risk aversion is a wise personal policy.
blopdop123 10y ago
Quit being dense. No one is saying you can 100% predict how someone is going to behave in the future, they're saying you can give pretty good odds.
If you want to bet on trusting a drug addict when 95+% of them don't recover, go to town, but you're stupid for doing so.
If you want to take someone back who's cheated on you and say "well, I can't 100% predict that she's changed, so I guess I should just assume she has and won't do it again" - well, have fun, but don't sit here and try to tell me that it's a good idea just because no one has checked all possible variables in triplicate and then shout "But it's science!" at us. Generalizations exist because they are generally true, and you will generally be right if you follow them.
I think this is one of those cases of some ideas being so fucking stupid that only an intelligent person could believe them. You have to contort yourself through an incredible number of logical hoops to think what you're saying isn't blithering idiocy and rationalize away basically all common sense. It's a talent, I guess, but enjoy getting conned by every person you ever meet. Sorry, NEARLY every person (wouldn't want to generalize).
RedPillGame 10y ago
"So what, you found you a ho that you like But, you can't make a ho a housewife."
~Dr. Dre
And that's the truth.
bam2_89 10y ago
I lost it at "Piggie."
DasWood 10y ago
Once she is out and the divorce is finalized, I would report them to the IRS anyways. There's money in for it.
boomfoom 10y ago
There's a lot of bullshit in this story. This entire article is completely unfair to Eve. Eve may be lousy worker that leeches off of her parents and enjoys men, but if she can get it, what's wrong with that? If she's using people like her father and her husband, it's their responsibility to themselves to observe that she is simply using them and cut her off. It is not her responsibility to cut her off.
The bottom line is that if you're in a relationship with someone and find out that they're cheating... it's your decision what to do next. But let's be clear, Judas didn't break any commitments to Adam. Eve broke commitments to Adam, and Judas broke commitments to his wife, but Adam phoning ratting out Judas and getting him fired is really shitty.
Also, if you paid off your wife's student loans or contributed more to the relationship financially, that was your decision at the time. Stop whining over spilt milk like a bitch and just recognize that that those are sunk costs. If you didn't get a pre-nup and you pay on that... then that's on you too. Again, sunk costs. Be a man and own your decisions.
(edit: emphasis)
trudatness 10y ago
Although Adam and Judas weren't best buddies they were in the same social circle, were friendly and did hang out on occasion. They were in each others homes and hung out drinking beers from time to time. There's no denial that this was a betrayal. Judas screwed Adam's wife and lied right to his face about it.
Believe me when I tell you... It was only because cooler heads prevailed (barely) that Judas wasn't brutally beaten up or worse. Adam is a jacked up gym rat.
When Eve said I do she had a moral responsibility to Adam.
Supporting someone is no small matter, as well.
At the very least, Eve should have ended the marriage before pursuing other relationships. She owed Adam that much. Eve is a manipulator, a liar and a philanderer. Lets be clear about those things.
People don't go into marriages game planning for the divorce. That's cynical and contrary to the whole point. Besides, prenups are just about fucking worthless. They get thrown out of divorce settlements commonly.
All things being equal Adam has reason for grievance, but things here are NOT equal. Adam blindly stepped into a hopeless situation that he should have recognized for what it was, thus Adam bears responsibility for his fate.
Hopefully, this will serve as a flashpoint for Adam's personal growth and increase in awareness. Adam is owning his own decisions right now. He's living this shit and he is hurting pretty profoundly. Adam is human and has feelings like anyone else. I believe as good of a person as Adam is, he deserves better than this - but reality is he'll only get better from life when he gets wiser and makes better decisions.
boomfoom 10y ago
If Adam had beaten up Judas... that would have been assault and he could go to jail for that.
People don't go into relationships thinking that they will end, but they should plan when entering into a marriage contract. Prenups should be created carefully with a lawyer to ensure that they are not thrown out. This is, of course, assuming that the assets entering into the relationship are worth the cost of the lawyer. If not, then there's no point. And yes, alimony is bullshit, but law.
Yes, Adam has reason for a grievance, but who cares?
trudatness 10y ago
My wife is a CPA who does pre and post nuptial marital estate valuations.
The running joke in her office is that this is a colossal waste of money because of how often they get thrown out of proceedings.
As far as Adam goes, like I said before, cooler heads prevailed. No revenge is worth getting arrested for.
He's listening to me more right now. I have him under counsel. He's going to use this as a personal growth opportunity. He'll get stronger and wiser. I know him pretty well. He's capable of much better than this.
wtf_is_taken 10y ago
The slut was not the problem. Her moral character was the problem. Women with high sex drives are out there and make great wives, you just have to find one that isn't a scumbag.
watersign 10y ago
Theres pretty damning evidence that shows once a woman has had more than 7-10 sexual partners the likelihood of her cheating goes through the roof. Unfortunately, how many women do you know that have less than 20?? lol
hitchhikerpirate 10y ago
Really? I thought having more than 5 or 6 partners was a pretty high number. I don't particularly want to be with someone who's been with more people than that.
watersign 10y ago
The number was around 7 i believe, ill have to dig it up. The problem is most women in their early 20s have fucked like 20+ guys so good luck finding one who hasnt spent a day or three at the cock theme park
Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago
Man... and here I thought that my method of determining a girl's N count was too much. Aside from the usual method of multiplying whatever she tells you by 3, you need a method for when she doesn't tell you.
So, 1 partner, per year, from the age of 16. 2 partners per year for every year in college. Plus 50% to account for drunken hookups, Spring Break, and summer in Florida.
When you do this metric, the average girl has been with 15 men by age 22 (1 man per year + 1 extra per year of college + 50%).
hitchhikerpirate 10y ago
When dating, I usually break it off if I'm told the number is 7 or higher.
I do not sleep with women who have had that many partners (unless they're lying to me about the number of course). I personally find it gross.
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hitchhikerpirate 10y ago
8 in one year? Are people not aware of the prevalence of STDs?
I am really paranoid about getting a disease or knocking someone up. I don't chase tail and wait until I I know someone well enough to convince them to go get tested (while I'm there) before I sleep with them.
Then, I still use a condom because of the possibility of babies.
I'm probably weird, but 8 in a year... no, just no.
trudatness 10y ago
The slut IS the problem because having a high sex drive doesn't automatically equate to self destructive behavior.
The moral character issue creates the slut not the high sex drive.
wtf_is_taken 10y ago
What is your definition of slut?
trudatness 10y ago
A woman with irrational, often self-destructive, sexual habits relating to the number and frequency of different partners.
Context and frequency are factors.
wtf_is_taken 10y ago
OK well I agree with that then. Sucks for your bro.
edit spelling
trudatness 10y ago
Doesn't suck for me... Not my story...
Sucks big time for Adam, though... He's hating it right now.
wtf_is_taken 10y ago
I forgot a letter FML. I know it wasnt you. ;D
trudatness 10y ago
S'alright
insideman83 10y ago
Moral of the story: Be like Judas.
trudatness 10y ago
Well Judas just got fired from his job and his wife is leaving him - I'm thinking there's going to be alimony.
So not so much...
Judas is lucky he hasn't gotten a beating of his life. You fuck a man's wife... Right or wrong... You roll the dice.
chillmonkey88 10y ago
Too long and pointless... to sum everything up. Don't let some sex you're getting get in the way of your marriage decision until you know how your potential wife's history will play a role. You break frame if you don't understand your partner. Also just don't get married, broken system. It's not the women that make it broken it's government that made it this way.
chins_buffet 10y ago
I think that as long as she promises she's changed, it's ok
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chins_buffet 10y ago
If she's sincere, it'll be ok
trudatness 10y ago
LOL /s
[deleted] 10y ago
Newb question: What are some of the litmus tests to tell if a woman has been to eager to pair up in the past?
I mean I am an average looking guy in my twenties, and I don't have a bad track record with women. But if I'm being honest, I have easily had sex with less than ten women. It seems like I am meeting a lot of women my age who have had sex with ten or more guys. There is a disconnection. Yes, biology is part of the explanation I think. But standards of behavior are changing for women. More often than not, when I hear about their sexual history, I'm just thinking WTF? Maybe I should say WTF and everyone else should as well. Then a more honest conversation will result.
YourFoxyFriend 10y ago
For me: If she has gotten around my friend group, and/or gotten around another friend group, and/or has a higher body count than me, and/or has cheated, that is not relationship/ wife material. Kick those to the curb. On to the next one.
I've hooked up, not wifed up, girls in all of those categories, so I know what to look for if I want a relationship.
My advice is get around enough to see how girls act. Your friends, family, and I can tell you if a girl is bad news, but like Adam's situation, you might not believe us because of lack of experience. (Not saying you don't have experience)
trudatness 10y ago
Well...
I suppose the difference is based on whether or not the ease of your scoring was directly related to your level of game acumen...
The slick gamers can get into the panties of more discerning women.
If you are extremely adept at getting women to sleep with you, it kind of tips the sliding scale.
Also, casual sexual hook ups seem to be more excusable when kept under wraps. A girl will gauge a situation and to what level she can be assured that her promiscuity will be kept a secret is a factor in her decision to participate in a casual affair.
It's a red flag when they are brazen about it - or simply just turn off the voice of conscience in their heads. If everyone knows to what degree they "get around" - that's not good.
They know having high numbers turns guys off and they don't want to make themselves less desirable. Being sexually desirable is a part of feminine power. They don't want to compromise that.
Having some level of discretion is relatively rational behavior for women looking to enjoy a somewhat active sex life. More specifically, I would say women that (mostly) stick to monogamy as a rule that governs their sexual strategy are more trustworthy.
Lets not kid ourselves, girls have higher numbers these days...
However, your normal, average everyday girl will try to keep casual escapades under a certain threshold. Some girls go through a "slut phase". Usually it is somewhat short-lived when they discover the negative consequences that go along with it. Women who stay in "slut phases" are obvious non starters for LTR consideration.
What you are looking for is an overall rational, positively self preserving approach to sex and dating. You want to know if the woman understands appropriateness and is smart enough to comprehend her own sexual honor. Is she having sex because she genuinely likes a man, is interested in perhaps pursuing something with him and wants to experience intimacy with him?
Or is she engaging in thrill seeking and/or hypergamy?
Awareness and common sense are your allies.
dirtyratchet 10y ago
This is an odd bit of confirmation bias. You present a laundry list of worrying personality defects, yet the one that matters to you and is problematic is the sexual history. Interesting how you think.
trudatness 10y ago
The point is sexual promiscuity in women is often a symptom of underlying pathologies and such things can lead to trouble for the man who attempts to engage in an LTR with them.
This is a real life illustration.
dirtyratchet 10y ago
But why highlight the sexual history as the problem? Like this woman sounds like she was immature and self centered. Cheating is an immature and selfish act committed by immature and selfish people. Maybe a more solid title would be "this is why it matters if your SO is an immature and selfish person"
trudatness 10y ago
Because normal, self respecting women don't act like total whores.
When there's smoke, there's fire...
If a woman has fucked all of your friends, don't think that by the time she gets to you all of a sudden everything is going to be grand.
There's a reason why she's behaving this way. It is not normal, healthy behavior, although certain feminists would like to tell you it is. It is a result of some narcissistic/solipsistic pathology.
Going from partner to partner to partner in rapid succession is dangerous and irresponsible behavior. It is not the ideal behavior to exhibit. Women don't do this unless they have some serious issues.
When you marry someone, you take on those issues. Sometimes those issues can cause you harm.
This is not rocket science. This is some ironclad wisdom that has stood the test of time. It is not sexist nor is meant in any way to be harmful to women. It's a good lesson for anyone reading this sub to learn.
dirtyratchet 10y ago
FYI, the misogynistic element of what you're saying is that you think (I'm guessing) that promiscuous males are perfectly normal and healthy while a promiscuous female is damaged. You probably justify this by appealing to social norms and saying that women who go against the social norm are more likely to be damaged. sadly, this may even be true, this is a BAD thing that women don't have the right to be promiscuous if they want to be without being "damaged"
don't get me wrong here. im a guy, i totally understand the appeal of a girl who hasn't been with a lot of guys, but if i sit down and really think about it, i can't intellectually justify it.
trudatness 10y ago
If I were a rational female and I was looking for a stable LTR, I would probably want to avoid men who who are solely interested in casual sex.
Men who have pathological sexual compulsions that lead to self destructive sexual behaviors are probably not the best LTR candidates either.
Remember that gender dimorphism is a real thing. Men are driven more by testosterone related urges than women are. It's more of a physical compulsion for men, than it is for women. That's kind of why male ejaculate is sometimes called a release. Women experience sexual pleasure, too, but have different rationales pushing and pulling them.
The whole story above should help in justification for why hyper-sexuality in women is a red flag.
dirtyratchet 10y ago
I mean there is no way a rational human being could think that this is an iron law of the universe. some women can be perfectly self respecting and trustworthy while being promiscuous, they simply enjoy sex with multiple partners. some women can be promiscuous because they're trying to fill a void because their father didn't love them or something, some can simply be very immature. human behavior isn't as clean as you want it to be.
the problem with you is that you use an example where a promiscuous woman was immature and untrustworthy to "prove" that this law of yours is right. its called confirmation bias and this subreddit, in my opinion, is a full blow celebration and embracement of confirmation bias.
trudatness 10y ago
No not really.
Being sexually desirable is a part of feminine power. Women know that men tend to distrust women with a higher number of sexual partners. It makes them less desirable. They don't want to compromise their feminine efficacy.
The feminist narrative seems to aim at changing male attitudes about female sexual promiscuity so they can be as promiscuous as they want and retain their feminine power.
Hyper-sexual women tend to treat men badly in long term relationships. The more sexual partners they have - the less they consider the physical act of sex to contain any profound meaning. This is statistically verifiable.
Meanwhile, whether a man has had 1 sexual partner or 50, he still considers sex to be a very important part of his romantic relationships.
Feminists can continue to try to shape opinion all they want, but women who openly engage in frequent casual sex are higher risk LTR candidates. As long as these kinds consequences for men continue to be the likely eventuality of "wife-ing a slut", men are not going to buy the whole "She's a rational, well-adjusted, empathetic person who just happens to enjoy sex with multiple partners" line.
If I put my hand on a hot stove and it burns me, I'm going to believe the pain more than I'm going to believe you who tells me it's not going to hurt next time.
dirtyratchet 10y ago
Yes I'm aware that the people of this sub are the quintessential example of generalizing and confirmation bias and pseudo science.
trudatness 10y ago
Sexual dimorphism isn't psuedo science
Neither is the statistical study of female hyper sexuality
But I tell you what dirtyratchet... I suggest you put your theories into practice...
Go out and marry a sexually promiscuous woman who simply enjoys sex with multiple partners and let us know how that works out for you. It's your life. Feel free to shit-can it however you like.
You want to discredit the /r/TheRedPill and label us all as a bunch of troglodyte imbeciles. That's no secret. I'm here to bring the word of truth to you brother. You can do whatever you want with it.
I'm telling you that you face risk of personal harm I doubt you can properly conceptualize. If you were able to, you'd have a bit more reverence for the message I'm bringing you.
The risks are very real and quite profound. It's best you go through life with the ability to recognize what can cause you harm. Don't assume the best and get shocked by the worst.
You want to engage in fun sexual affairs with women who consider themselves sexually liberated? Knock yourself out. Indulge yourself in waxing intellectual with these women as you rub your naked bodies together in a celebration of carnal senses.
But don't marry them, because they'll break your heart and steal your lunch money.
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dirtyratchet 10y ago
Haha you seem upset. You have a profound misunderstanding of what sexual dimorphism is and how it can be applied. Sexual dimorphism refers only to phenotypic differences between males and females. In laymen terms... Differences in how we look. Trying to say that men and women behave differently due to physiological factors is profound pseudo science with 0 evidence. Most evidence suggests that behavior is much more a reflection of social and cultural circumstances and is quite malleable.
Also cool story written by the heritage foundation. A conservative think tank who display consistent selection and research bias through out. I'm actually a statistician professionally so if you'd like me to point out why that article is bull shit and if you think you'd understand I'll indulge you.
As for my personal life. I don't consider sexual history when looking for a partner. Crazy me I look for things like do I enjoy her company, is she fun, is she good to talk to? Is she nice? Mature? Does she make me want to be better? Is she supportive? So far this has worked out for me. I'm sorry you've had such bad experiences with women. Maybe it's because of the way you view them though.
trudatness 10y ago
It's well known that there are definite physiological differences in males and females that extend to the endocrine system of humans.
You don't think hormones affect brain chemistry? You don't think the level of testosterone has any bearing on sexual behavior? Come on... Don't piss on my head and tell me its raining.
OK indulge me then... (actually don't bother, lol)
This only counts if you've actually ever had sex.
No all kidding aside... Adam followed all your rules. He enjoyed her company. Thought she was fun. Talked to her until he was blue in the face. Thought she was nice. She was college educated and seemed pretty smart. Certainly made him want to be better and more successful. She definitely knows how to be supportive when she needs to.
You see all that bullshit can be faked. How fucking naive you are.
How do know what is real? How do you know when you can really trust? Again, do you realize what you are putting to risk - remember I'm talking about marriage here. Are you really going to marry a woman who's fucked 100-150 dudes by age 25? Really? You don't see a problem there?
The narrative that sexual history is meaningless is the biggest of all cool stories, because in the end hyper sexuality is a pattern of self destructive behavior.
If you actually took the time to read through the thread, you'd see that I don't expect women to be chaste virgins, but I do expect them to exhibit self respect and rational behavior.
If you start dating a girl and she seems really nice and everything that you said, but then you find out she's fucked half the students at her campus - you can't be blind to that. That's a symptom of some profound latent issues that are going to eventually rear their ugly heads - and it's you that is going to suffer the biggest consequences when it all goes to shit.
Which of course is if you are actually a man, which I'm beginning to doubt.
In any event, I've lost interest here. I've said my peace and it's up to you to live your own life as you see it.
You want to make the claim that we're all bitter assholes living out the consequences of our cis-gendered bullshit - hey do what you like.
But don't come crawling back to /r/TheRedPill after your blue pill ignorance leads you down the primrose path.
[deleted] 10y ago
"Women will shit inside your heart"
-- Louis CK
TRPsubmitter 10y ago
I'm atheist, but the Bible is a cultural document. WOMAN is out of MAN. Woman will always take their livelihood ("rib") from men. At least the ancients who wrote the Bible knew this.
bonekeeper 10y ago
You know why "God" took Adam's "rib" and not a toe or something else?
A lot of Genesis' creation myth comes from the Enuma Elish, including the "Let us make men in our image, after our likeness" bit - after all, the Sumerian Gods were humanoids while the Jewish/Christian God has no form.
Link_GR 10y ago
Alphas wrote the book to control the Betas, so, yeah, you're onto something.
[deleted] 10y ago
Idk, I think there are scripts that have been lost and that King James left out a lot with multiple sea scrolls that deteriorated.
Not to mention the fucking Vatican holding onto some scripts whiten by Barnabas and Timothy that none but Catholic archbishops or higher have seen. I believe in God, but not the whole organized religious bullshit.
[deleted] 10y ago
Rode.
FTFY.
trudatness 10y ago
Thanks grammar authoritarian.
gg_s 10y ago
We overlook minor grammatical errors all the time, but saying "road" instead of "rode" is pretty fucking stupid. You did it twice.
trudatness 10y ago
I'm not sweating it - your criticism/trolling is completely non-consequential as far as I'm concerned.
[deleted] 10y ago
Actually three times.
sway_usa 10y ago
I understood perfectly what he meant, a minor grammatical error is not noteworthy.
[deleted] 10y ago
Another disadvantage of wifing a slut is, do you really want to go down on her where everyone else's dick has been?
trudatness 10y ago
Well that goes without saying.
Who the hell wants a wife that has had half the town's dicks in her?
down_with_whomever 10y ago
In my experience, people like Eve often give generous warning signs about what type of person they are. They very rarely keep it a total secret. If someone is really paying attention, he can spot them.
I think the moral of this story, in addition to OP's, is of the value of being a good judge of character. To spot the warning signs early on and take them for what they are. Because I'm certain that Eve had many.
[deleted] 10y ago
More than being a good judge of character, experience enough sexual abundance that you can look at a woman objectively rather than from a place of scarcity or loneliness.
I'm a good judge of character. I can read people like a book and yet I made the same mistake as Adam in this story when I was an afc. I overlooked every warning sign from my Eve and ignored my intuition. I did so because at the age of 21, she was the first girl who had showed affection to me. She was also very physically attractive, probably a solid 8 by my current standards.
As you can guess, it ended in disaster. The moral of both these stories is to have an abundance mindset. You get an abundance mindset the by experiencing abundance. Hence why Rollo Tomassini recommends not having a committed relationship until age 35.
deepthrill 10y ago
While true, many guys purposefully put their head in the sand when an attractive girl gives them attention. Adam may have noticed all the warning signs, but subconsciously not cared. The validation he got likely overrode the warning signs in his mind.
I don't know much about Adam, but this is especially dangerous with men who have not had much female attention for most of their lives. When they followed society's pre-built path and hit their late 20's, have a stable career, and aren't horrible looking (not too difficult with minor effort of staying the pre-made course), they are a huge target for women looking to settle down. They are ripe for the taking and blind themselves to any negative warning signs since attractive girls are finally giving them attention.
trudatness 10y ago
The perplexing thing is Adam should have known better. He's has had his fare share of GFs and then some.
My personal theory is that he got some crazy bitch level sex that spun his dome, messed around too long and got hooked. That and this chick is a superb manipulator who knows how to play dudes.
He was in over his head from the get-go.
iluminatiNYC 10y ago
And this is why it's a good reason for men to sleep around some (or if you're religiously inclined, at least date around). Some lessons only come with experience, and without them, you'll get burned.
itsmsbetty 10y ago
I don't think there is any warning sign bigger then that. If I knew a girl did that, i'd instantly nope (maybe i'd fuck her and then NOPE THE FUCK OUT). The fact that this guy, Adam, knew this and married her? Holy fuck he deserves every fucking shit that happened to him. You can't blame a women for this, he LET him self get into that horrible position.
trudatness 10y ago
You ain't bullshitting. I didn't hear that part of the story until recently. When I heard it, I was like wow - yeah not shocked at all this shit happening.
cottonsweatpants 10y ago
This. I guess these stories serve as a warning to the very very inexperienced, but they provide most of us with little to no education.
trudatness 10y ago
You overestimate the collective level of awareness that exists out there.
Luckyluke23 10y ago
I think he did pretty well to get out of this.
a very entertaining story i would say.
trudatness 10y ago
He doesn't think so at the moment, but I would agree he is lucky to get out now.
tedcase 10y ago
Wow, This could have very easily been my life. I discovered TRP pretty soon after i had "forgiven" my wife of 5 years for fucking about while I was deployed. A few weeks of reading around on TRP was all it took to file a very quick and very cheap Divorce.
I was lucky, I got out easy. Far too many men are not. I wish you all the very best of luck.
silverfox007 10y ago
Was with a girl (fwb) for a year, learned that in her teenage years living in Brazil (club promoter) she was riding the cock carousel for about two years. She acknowledged a range of 50 to 90 guys. So basically a guy every weekend for 2 years if not more.
After this though she was with a guy for about 10 years, before ending things. Would this be an example of the carousel rider having changed, or would those qualities still be with her?
trudatness 10y ago
10 years is a good run, but still it ended. Marriage is forever and divorce from a 10 year marriage can wreck you financially to the point of permanence.
My ex wife also was a cock theme park aficionado, we were together 9 years. That ended like the Hindenburg.
Spacepatrol 10y ago
Can someone explain a fraternisation and morality policy. Are you telling me a company can stop you dating colleagues?
trudatness 10y ago
Its a harassment lawsuit waiting to happen. Especially in this instance - Director level man and married office support level woman (even though she was likely the instigator).
My understanding is that the company president freaked out and went into immediate damage control mode.
PulpCanMove 10y ago
why would any man choose to get married? talk about a bad bet.
shamanbard 10y ago
It's good that your friend had dirt on his wife's parents, OP. I would have used it to extort a cheaper divorce though, had I been in his shoes.
iluminatiNYC 10y ago
It's shitty that he had to threaten to snitch, but considering the circumstances, it wasn't like he had a plethora of good options. After all, Eve was talking about lying on him to get him thrown in jail just because he cut off the gravy train.
trudatness 10y ago
It ain't over yet...
Tastysalad101 10y ago
"Never wife up a slut" never marry at all it's pointless and all you do is lose from it even if it goes perfectly well you just spent like 30k on a bullshit day of pointlessness instead of paying off student loans or putting down a deposit on your house.
Link_GR 10y ago
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm all for long term relationships and living together and having kids but there's no way I'm betting half my shit on another person's character, even if I love them incredibly. Even if you account for tax write-offs and whatnot, I still think it's negligible but what do I know. I'm just a guy on the Internet...
mr_kat 10y ago
In Canada it doesn't matter. You live together long enough and the government considers you common-law married. It's not even that long, 6 months or so.
[deleted] 10y ago
Same thing in Alabama.
trudatness 10y ago
Wow in Canada they make sure you pay the woman - no escape.
Whisper 10y ago
Marriage.
Not even once.
Gfresh405 10y ago
TL DR; History repeats itself.
Hyooge 10y ago
Came across this on Twitter.....
A prime example of the lack of accountability. She didn't want to take responsibility and negative judgement for doing what she did so insults those who look at her negatively.
hitchhikerpirate 10y ago
Also, her spelling and grammar is beyond atrocious.
bonekeeper 10y ago
Sure... because it's so much easier to judge someone based on their future. /s
Hyooge 10y ago
She didn't really think it through...
[deleted] 10y ago
Why get married at all? There literally no benefits to getting married.
trudatness 10y ago
The benefit is felt by your children, but other than that you're correct.
Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago
There's also the fact that if you're a Christian, Muslim, Jew, and I think Hindu (Not sure) sex outside of marriage is a sin. Basically, if you're religious, you shouldn't be fucking outside of marriage.
ERP_BLARP 10y ago
I had oneitis for this bird once and I'm so glad I didn't marry her or have kids. Jesus. In a similar vein she had done the carousel and I felt like she was settling for me because I made mad cash at 27. It was a constant worry but either way, in the end, it was all over. Looking back it was the best thing to have happened. It could have been much worse...
rapmachinenodiggidy 10y ago
Well... More fool Adam
trudatness 10y ago
Biting the apple = bad idea...?
Sometimes wisdom is gained through the trials of adversity. The costs can be somewhat high, however.
rapmachinenodiggidy 10y ago
yeah but it seemed like all his woes were telegraphed.. if she was a trainwreck before he got with her then he was very naive if he thought he was going to fix her
trudatness 10y ago
Yeah, I was out of the loop when he got with her. If I had of known the true nature of her character, I definitely would have given him the "WTF are you thinking?" talk.
There just is no justifiable rationality for marrying a woman like that. It's a bad deal waiting to happen.
borderrat 10y ago
So he knew about these alleged shenanigans and kept going back to her? I've got zero sympathy. This has nothing to do w TRP; it's just a story of two fools who couldn't stay away from each other.
JungleMuffin 10y ago
TLDR: OP writing about his own divorce and needs a place to vent his delicate fury.
Sounded like some bloke bashing on women because he's had his heart ripped out in the past and is now bitter. Stopped reading it after the the 70-80th paragraph of butthurt rage.
IMO, there's a difference between TRP, and being a bitter, woman hating crab. Man up, bitch.
trudatness 10y ago
"Man up" huh?
A shame tactic....
This is not my divorce story. Mine is a fucking nightmare story that would make you cry yourself to sleep. If what happened to me happened to you - you'd probably would have slit your wrists long ago.
I went from living off the charity of others, being court ordered to live off of $13K a year - to having a waterfront home, rental property income, driving a phat BMW and getting totally in the black in the span of 7 years, /r/junglemuffin.
I'd say I manned up. What do you think?
iluminatiNYC 10y ago
Salute! And why is it that men aren't allowed to be heart broken? Pain is normal. It's what you do with it that matters.
TheOpposingView 10y ago
Learn to spell rode.
trudatness 10y ago
Learn to be less of a condescending OCD grammar nazi shitbag
TheOpposingView 10y ago
You are like a bear that flails and roars harmlessly when prodded.
I am trolling you, but you are easy.
Chill.
JungleMuffin 10y ago
I'd say you're spewing out "Woe is me" bullshit, just like every other overly emotional wimp that is par for the course these days.
Id say you just dramatised your experiences, to make overcoming stock standard life experiences appear like some awesome godlike manmode achievement.
I'd also say you just tried to validate yourself to me, because as much as you try to portray strength and confidence, you're ultimately an insecure runt.
I'd say this is fact. What do you think?
trudatness 10y ago
I think you're just a clueless asshole trying to troll me.
JungleMuffin 10y ago
I couldn't care less what you think.
Go cry yourself to sleep over how hard your life has been, or unsuccessfully try to cry yourself to sleep, over dramatise something, or whatever it is you do. Just get the fuck off my internet, thanks.
trudatness 10y ago
Get off my Internet
Delusional too I see.
LOL, What other flame tactic you got?
JungleMuffin 10y ago
I see you have a hard on for people who dominate you.
Sad.
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JungleMuffin 10y ago
I read this as.....
"I'm a neckbeard that has the intelligence of an anal plug, I don't say anything worth reading, bla bla bla bla"
/meh
:clicks FRONT button: :waits for front page to load: "AHH, FINALLY SOMEONE WHO ISN'T A FUCKING IDIOT I CAN MSG"
Please, if you're a fucking thick cunt, don't bother messaging me. I have little tolerance for muppets.
[deleted] 10y ago
What the fuck is a neckbeard ? I see people like you toss that word around casually like as if a derogatory term in some context.
trudatness 10y ago
Pretty typical for you to say this is normal male life - things like being forced into poverty, being jailed without due process, garnishment of wages and estrangement from children are trivialized - as if men should just get over it.
Kind of goes with the plugged in narrative of male disposability.
Being an insulting troll who levies personal attacks is not going to win the point here, but since you've decided to get into a trolling match - a brief overview of your posting history reveals you are a school teacher by trade - seems like you are the one projecting your insecurities here - not me, but I digress.
Hopefully, it'll dawn on you soon that overcoming these kinds of adversities is no small trivial matter. Not everyone can overcome. I'm a survivor. Not only that, life is damn good for me now, although it took no small amount of hard work and guile to get here. I'm just trying to spread the good word.
Lo, I am a herald of the lightning, and a heavy drop out of the cloud
You? You're just a hater.
If you want to make a point, go ahead and make it. However I see you have no point other than to kill the messenger - that and you're headed for a ban.
JungleMuffin 10y ago
Do you seriously not understand how fucking melodramatic you are making it all out to be?
I can guarantee you, it has got absolutely fuck all to do with men being trivialised, and everything to do with you as an individual. What trivialises male hardships isn't "THE GUBMENT" trying to keep men down, it's people like you, who cannot take responsibility for their fucking actions, and look to blame everything under the sun for being the cause of their hardships, instead of having a good, hard look at themselves in the mirror.
The people who trivialise male hardship, are you, because instead of taking it on the chin and getting on with life like every other bloody adult on earth, here you are, trying to place the blame on a crooked judge here, or a biased social counselor there, or being out of cash because you have to pay child support for your own children and calling it "society/government enforced poverty".
You are to blame for your mistakes, no one else. It just stinks of a 17 year old teenage girl looking to blame Daddy for all her problems, because he didn't buy her a brand new fucking car for her birthday. Jesus.
You aren't a fucking survivor, what have you survived? Not being able to pay child support? Being sent to jail for being a scumbag? You aren't a survivor, you're an attention seaker, looking for pity for stock standard hardships that most people go through during their lives, that blames other people for everything that has gone wrong in their life, instead of facing up to their failures and taking it on the chin. You aren't a survivor, I'd argue you aren't even man, you're still a self entitled kid, looking to blame the world for all your problems.
My point is this: You don't need to swallow TRP, you need to get rid of the chip on your shoulder, swallow a cup of concrete, and realise you aren't a special buttercup that deserves the world, like mummy told you.
P.S. Love the history stalking, it absolutely shows what a calm and centred man you are, that has everything under control.
Stay cool Clint Eastwood.
trudatness 10y ago
You sure are putting a good deal of effort trolling me.
Who are you, the Internet Carl Jung?
So I successfully overcame a bad marriage and a nasty divorce and I want to either help other guys do the same or help them avoid these situations in the first place - and this makes me some kind of attention seeking loser piece of shit?
Is me telling subscribers to read the warning signs and not marry loose/selfish/dishonest women really that threatening of a message? Ha ha ha. Unreal.
"Man up"... Trying to attack my manhood... All par for the course with the usual SRS style trolling. Typical reddit bullshit shit trying to shout down the message.