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You know, I used to think that invasion of male spaces was merely nothing more than a tactic that undesirable women use to try to have access to a greater pool of potential mates, much like typical feminism, and well, to be honest, damn near all political philosophies. However, what you pointed out is an even better explanation, yet at the end of the day, it's still just a mating strategy. Good write-up.

I think your giving people too much credit. No one thinks this shit out. The reason why many women hate male only spaces is because they want attention, and such a space denies them attention. End of story.

If a man cannot be controlled by sex, women are powerless.

I agree that is their thought process, but tell me if you agree with this.

In reality, women have always had all the power over us they'll ever need, the ability to bring pleasure to life. The natural way females should influence us is with incentives. By trying to control men they will ultimately lose men. You can see this today in society, marriage rates, birth rates, single women with cats and wine in their 20's 30's 40's etc...

Men provide for life itself, for progress, for innovation. Women make it fun, enjoyable. At least they can. They can provide a home, they can give you comfort after the hardships of the day. They can give you an escape from the harsh realities of the world. That's the position they have the most power in.

But they saw men using direct control to influence the world, to exert their will on it. So they figured they could do the same, and to them, men are the world. What they failed to realize is they were already exerting their will on the universe, if it were left up to men we'd never have progressed society past the point of guaranteed sex/food/shelter.

To expand on point three:

Once you realize that sexual strategy is a zero sum game, a lot more things start to make sense. Someone has to experience a net loss.

Even a ONS where the girl gets pleasure is still a net loss for her, as she damages her chances for long-term happiness due to a loss in ability to pair bond and be satisfied with a man equal to her. Barring huge SMV differences, the girl is losing more in the end.

Conversely, men lose more in LTR/Marriage, barring huge SMV differences. A woman has lots to gain in a LTR.

An extreme (unicorn) version of this: you have no reason to commit to a woman unless she's a 10, filthy rich and doggedly loyal.

''At no time should her provider wander and spend too much time in a male space, especially those containing ‘alphas’. It would be like allowing illiterate slaves access to books and people that can read. Eventually, the slave may come to the conclusion that he has been lied to and believe he can exist outside the boundaries set by his master; that in fact, it is his master that needs him. He's in a prison of his own making.''

The only male-space he may be allowed in is a male-space full of men who are bereft of masculinity and think like women.

I am aware of certain churchians that give off the thinking and acting like women vibe in certain religious circles.

France completely outlawed private paternity tests[10] to “preserve the peace of French families”.

Little precision here : it is not illegal to do a paternity test in France. You do whatever you what. What is, is you can't use it in a courtroom without having the authorization of your partner. Doesn't change much, though. bUt hey, you can still go to belglium have your kid tested, so...

Very good read.

'' “Every woman is a whore, except my mother. But let us not forget that she is a woman, too.” – Napoleon Bonaparte.''

The only difference between a whore and a wife and mother is who she is being a whore for.

Either to multiple strange men or a single man for life in marriage.

The foundation of women's invasive stance towards male spaces is based upon projection which is induced by the psychological laziness of women at large.

Women believe that when there is a group of men absent of any feminine influence, said group maliciously conspires against women. They believe that it starts with talking about women in ways that dehumanize them, clearing the moral pathway towards planned attempts at passive agressive, underhanded exploitation.

Why do they believe this? Because this is what they do.

If you have ever heard women's conversations when they thought no man could hear them, then you know exactly what I'm talking about.

what the fuck did I just find?

women did not always have the control over men that they enjoy today, it will be fleeting. this is a great post and explains why married women dont want their husbands having single friends. dont want any betas having funny independent ideas now do we

I think the simplest explanation is that women love need male attention; time spent in male spaces is time that isn't spent on them.

Women feel the need to invade male spaces from gentlemans clubs to geek culture, and proclaim their 'right' to be included. Women so desperately want to be a part of great male-only circles and establishments, but when they scream and cry loud enough that they are begrudgingly let in, they ruin what made those things so great in the first place.

More male spaces means less time with women, therefore lower demand for women, and therefore less overall pedestalization. -/u/gekkozorz

Male spaces threaten the social paradigm of men pedestalising women; devoting time, attention, resources and energy to make them happy and the centre of male attention and desire.

How often have you heard some bullshit like "You have to please her, make her happy, give her your time, court her." Time spent with the boys is time spend not pandering to a woman's emotional needs, and they hate that.

A male space is also a place where men talk and share experience without being moderated by women (by them being there and/or guilt/shaming/moaning at "insensitive" stuff ). That type of environment (the hunting party) is like rehab from the female imperative. Spend 3 months working an oil field somewhere see how much you give a fuck about women and their bullshit. You'll lose patience for their lengthy and redundant speech patterns, their thin skin and delicate sensibilities. Their flaky, childish behavior won't be "cute" anymore, it'll be annoying. It will make you weight in if it's really worth it keeping one around for anything else than sex. - A since [deleted] TRP user

Very good read. My 2 big takeaways:

1. My wife is at her SMV peak right now while mine hits in 11 years.
2. There is no reason to ever share anything from TRP with a woman.

The book Men on Strike by Helen Smith has an entire chapter about the decline of the male space. In past generations, many cities had clubs and restaurants that were male-only. Then in 1987 the Supreme Court ruled that cities could ban sex discrimination by business-oriented private clubs. One example of a place that was forced to open its doors to women was the New York Athletic Club (established in 1868), which houses bars, dining rooms, an indoor pool, and a large gym.

In the book, Helen Smith posits that feminists oppose male spaces because they want to keep men isolated from each other. Because if men have places where they can speak without women present it might result in them banding together politically. This is also why feminists hate the Manosphere; men are starting to organize and call out the bullshit of modern feminism.

If a man cannot be controlled by sex, women are powerless.

The root of most lessons on TRP

Excellent, sidebar-worthy post. The great thing about this writing style, which you see a lot at RoK too, is how you explicitly state what's happening. A lot of people may have already understood what you were saying at a gut/intuitive level, but you've given your thoughts crystal clarity and left very little room for misinterpretation. Which is great because by spelling it out like this, everyone, even the "betas," can understand exactly how these sneaky whores prey upon them.

Many will read this post and finally escape the plantation.

(Also, is Mad Men that RP of a show? Because holy fuck, I might need to start watching it.)

This is one of the most well-thought out pieces on male/female sexual interaction I've seen on the RP.

Holy fuck god, that was beautiful. That was fantastically written, you provided links to valuable expository resources, and at no point was your message unclear. To those familiar with Red discourse, this was a work of art.

The powerlessness of an unconvincing woman is a terrible thing, almost like being crippled would be for a man. But a cornered animal is often at its most dangerous.

Wow the end of that clip the women says, (after a long pause), "I didn't realize it until just now... But being a man must be hard too." She just got a red pill crammed down her throat and you can see how unsettled she is.

This post gives too much introspection and credit to women.

Women are not, as a collective, attempting to intentionally manipulate men and society as a whole by deliberately going out today, being super-slut-whores, knowing full well that in 10 years, they’ll cover that up and snag a loser husband with an engineering or computer science degree to pay their way while they deny him sex, cheat, and eventually divorce him for cash and prizes. That’s not an intentional plan for 99 percent of them. That’s just a very unfortunate by-product of a society that idolizes women and puts absolutely no checks on their whims and self-serving behaviors. They're not trying to hide the "truth" from us. They barely know the truth themselves. They're just chasing shiny things like kittens because why not? They get nine lives.

If you let a woman do whatever she wants with no consequences, she’s going to do whatever seems like a good idea at the time. A hot guy is trying to fuck her and she’s attracted to him? Why not fuck him? Birth control is free, abortions are legal, this guy’s practically a stranger so nobody will ever know unless she tells someone herself, and society has pretty much made being a slut a virtuous rite of passage rather than something to be ashamed about. She’s not doing this as a part of some master plan to score this guy’s semen, sate her biological urges, intending full well to have a dead bedroom with her future husband, cuckold him, and divorce rape him. She’s just doing what seems like fun at the time, because society has placed no restrictions on her behavior. No consequences.

Ten years later, all of this woman’s Facebook friends are getting married and starting families. She’s getting fewer offers from hot men. She’s always wanted to have a bigass wedding. So why not? She does what seems like fun and like a good idea at the time. Why not try out this bigass wedding thing and have a slav..I mean husband buy her a house and support her for awhile? It’s no skin off her back. She doesn’t really have to do anything as a wife. She can work or not work, clean or not clean, cook or not cook, and only has to have sex with her husband if she wants to. Any time she wants, she can just renege on the marriage and leave. She gets the kids, half the assets, and a check every month for doing so. Hell, she can even have numerous affairs, be the one that initiates the divorce, and still get all of that. She doesn’t intend for that to be her future. It’s not her master plan to marry a loser chump then divorce-rape him later. But she has that safety net in place so there aren’t any consequences for her if this marriage thing doesn’t work out or she changes her mind. She’s not out to get men. She’s just doing what seems like a good idea at the time, because society has placed no restrictions on her behavior. No consequences.

Ten years and four husbands later, she’s not happy, but she’ll be damned if she lets on. She’s posting left and right on Facebook about how great her life is and telling all of the world’s young women how great it was to be a slut, then a divorcee three times over, plus a single mother, and how powerful and independent she is. Women never make mistakes. Society makes sure of it.

The best thing I've read on TRP. I actively create male spaces and the amount of hate is hilarious once you understand the evolutionary psychology behind it.

Good stuff.

My personal consipracy theory is, that this hate is deliberatly fueled by the elite's mass media propaganda machine.

Spaces where men come together and are safe to think and speak freely do not only pose a threat to women's power, but also to that of those who are actually in charge.

facts females wish to keep on the DL

Little did I know women hold the secret to a big deadlift..

Anyway, great post man.

great post thank you. very interesting

Gentleman, this is why male spaces are dangerous. A woman does not ever want the alpha-fux and the beta-bux to meet and greet. With enough time, the the alphas are likely to influence the betas, and wake them up from their blue pill conditioning; this is unacceptable. The betabux is her retirement plan.

This is one of the enlightening statements that pieces together so many puzzles. Great analysis. Makes sense why my friend's girlfriends HATE it they join me for happy hour and we talk the shit.

I hate that sometimes in this sub the AF's and BB's are pitted against each other when we should all be helping each other. If you're an AF and you're laughing at some BB because he wife's up the skank that you and your buddy gang-banged a few years back that makes you a fucking dick. BB's and AF'd both have something to offer the other.

It's why Germany outlawed private paternity tests without permission from both partners to prevent “the abuse of private personal data” and France completely outlawed private paternity tests

That's very alarming IMHO. Isn't that a direct admission that women as a whole are liars? If i were a woman i would find that offensive.

Just wondering if men in germany / france could bypass the laws by, for example doing the 23andme test (you and your child's saliva). I hope they are already breaking that law btw.

I though this was going to be one of those posts where a newbie regurgitates what he just read.

But this is good.

Awesome, thanks for this.

I'd like a more in depth analysis of the "nice guy" phenom around reddit. I think it is as important as the content of this post. Why they decided to shame the own thing they pretend they want?

Nitpick: theories don't become laws. Theories always remain theories. Theories can even trump "laws" eg Einstein v Newton

Guys, until we stop peeing on the toilet seats, think our male species has a LONG way to go. Lets get past that one first.

Just my observation. :-)

The whole Giordano Bruno thing is /r/badhistory gold. You'd think TRP would be pretty immune from progressive propaganda but there it is.

Yup they hate these things because they want to monopolize pleasure where men are shackled to the point where fucking shamu is the closest thing we get to pleasure. That is why they hate male space while rationalizing female spaces because men are somehow the oppressors.

This Bill Burr clip immediately came to mind. About how women have to take over everything geared toward males instead of just doing their own thing. clip

The real problem on this sub is the subversives and white knights trying to muddy the message, get men to "man up", get men to compete against each other, and all sorts of wrong things.

The elite understand this concept very well. I work in a very affluent area and there is a country club that is men only as well as invite only. The buy in is $300K and that's only if you get sponsered by an existing male member.

There have been multiple attempts by the newspaper/local news to make this space seem corrupt and evil, when all it really is a space for elite men to golf and hang out without the annoyance of the women.

Trust me, those in power realize how important male only spaces are.

I wish I could work for ten years, fuck as many women as possible and retire at 30. It's a good deal, all expenses paid and you get a couple of paid for holidays too.

Outstanding post. Excellent explanation of theory, well applied to real life examples and written with great clarity and fluidity (which is increasingly becoming something you can only expect from the top posters here).

It's a much more general and simplistic point but I think another reason why women hate male spaces is because they recognise that men are powerful and never more so than when they are together. They see that men are strong, wise, clever, bold, ambitious, loyal and firm but our weakness is that we are prone to subtle manipulations. Because it is something we are not raised to practice, we are not good at recognising or dealing with it. And women are pros at it. They know that if they can only isolate us from other men and male discussion they can manipulate us over time in myriad different ways with the net result of reducing our power.

You hit the nail on the head with inferior (non-natural) alpha sperm = rape.

I was on a sub of a TV show where a man lied about his identity to get willing sex from a woman. He didn't get a face change, he just said "I'm -celebrity-". There was an OUTCRY from women about how this was "Rape".

'The beta bux is her retirement plan' funny way of putting it. Great post OP

great post.

theredpill is the pinnacle of a male space, as any attempt to gradually introduce a fem-centric point of view is immediately shut down. women have invaded previously male spaces and they are already bowing down to the female imperative (women in military, pink ribbons in NFL).

This is why TRP is so frustrating to see for women. Women know that nothing but the truth is spoken here, but they are not interested in the truth. Women crave social cohesion and security more than anything else, and TRP is actively shattering the pillars of their current beta bux retirement plans.

The real problem is that women have been brainwashed by media and society to believe that they are people, like men. Women are selfish, greedy, juvenile, emotional shells of humanity. When they are given everything that they want they feel entitled and spoiled. Spaces for men are not FOR them, therefor they are threatened by it. When little girls are told their mother is going to have another baby, they often freak out and cry. This is because they are inherently selfish. The new baby will take away some attention, yes, but to the child the new baby will take away everything that they are entitled to simply by breathing. If women understood that they are inherently inferior to men, simply scientifically, if they actually taught the truth and not the liberal hivemind way of thinking, men would be able to have their own spaces and women would benefit too. Women are happy when men are happy. They cannot survive without us.

Excellent post.
Really need to find more methods of creating manspaces where women can't infiltrate.

My main problem with women in video games is the betas enabling this behavior. How many times I've seen men pedestalizing women who play video games as if they were the fucking Holy Grail itself is outstanding.

I'm not big into complexity. Women don't like them because women thrive on and demand attention. Anything that draws attention away from a women is viewed as a threat. My dog training friend says that a dog would rather have negative then no attention(desire for drama.) the difference is that when she has your attention she no longer feels she needs it. Guess that would be the dog chasing a car.

Good post. I want to add one more big one though: Power.

Men pursue power to have access to sex. Women pursue sex to have access to power. It's the mystery of women's sexuality that allows them to do this. If men don't know how women work, they just need to try all sorts of shit from power, to respect, to feminism, and so on. However, if we know how they work then we know how to get sex and we cannot be controlled.

Historically, sex has given women the power to pass constitutional amendments without even getting the vote, start wars, be rescued and protected from all danger, exempt from responsibility, etc. They could do this because they have a trump card. But now, what happens if men figure them out and women lose that trump card?

I dunno man. A lot of this implies that women have a thought out, pre-planned, introspective outlook on their sexual strategy. I don't think there's any grand conspiracy at work in the individual woman's sex life. I think her plans are as simple as "Am I showing enough skin, but not too much?" And, "Is this a guy I'm going to consider fucking, or just some guy I'm going to 'let me figure out if I like him' while he buys me shit?" I've spent a lot of time in my own head, trying to figure myself out. What do I really want? Why do I want that? Where do I want to go? What are my motivations? blahblahblah. I have yet to have a meaningful philosophical conversation with a woman, much less find one that really has a good idea why she wants what she wants. Without exception, it's like they're all just leaves floating on the wind, going wherever the breeze pushes them. (Frankly, like a lot of men, too. But that's another post.)

I highly doubt "women have always hated male spaces." Back in the days pre-2nd wave feminism, I don't really think there was a lot of gossip about what the men were doing in their males-only workspaces. I don't think that really started until after (during?) 2nd wave feminism, but I'll certainly agree that it's prevalent now in our Equalty Now! era. But that may just have to do with getting some of whatever special goods The Patriarchy is giving to all men behind closed doors. (BTW, if that's the case, Patriarchy, you must have lost my address, I haven't been getting the newsletter).

I will agree that women do tend to hate the Manosphere and associated information, online and off, but not for the reasons you state.

Women, whether or not they admit it, have a pretty good advantage over men in the plugged-in dating game. Everybody knows we neeeed dat pussy. And there's this fantastic press kit out there that women don't need no man, so it's pretty obvious that men have to cow-tow to women's bullshit in order to even get a whiff of strange.

Women don't like pro-man information because it turns the tables on that notion. It begins to weaken the argument. It begins to give a sexual and social advantage to men in The Battle Of The Sexes. That's your conspiracy, and it's not even that deep.

There is also the fact that women want to be the only woman in a group of men. That way there is no competition and no shortage of providers. They are hard wired to seek out that situation.

I just want to say, I'm glad I found this sub.

Generally good, but there's some subtle, but crucial, RP things I don't think you have right. This is the one that stands out:

the female sexual strategy, Alpha Fucks-Beta Bucks (AF/BB) [the foundation of this article], a subconscious process where the female divides men into two categories

There is nothing "subconscious" about this. I seem to be a person women tell their secrets to, even on a first date. I've had women tell me "I've never not cheated in any relationship I've been in... oh, I've never told anyone that!". And that's one of several examples.

The point: I've had 3 women articulate, in not more words than you used, the dualistic sexual strategy. They are not only fully aware of it, but they also are aware that they USE men with it. I've been told how "I can get guys I'd never fuck to do stuff for me", for example.

So while it's a subtle distinction, it's very important not to get the idea there is an excuse for the behavior. There isn't. It's their behavior, and as RP men, we know how to manage it. It's a part of the feminist narrative, strangely enough, that women aren't responsible for their actions (because the Patriarchy™). Let's not allow it to creep into RP.

The other main one was in the RB1 quote:

They don’t hate us [manospherians] for our views, they hate us for their lack of power over us.

I'm sorry, but I've found they LOVE their lack of power over us - when you really aren't in their thrall. The fact you don't give an attractive woman any leeway for a pussy pass challenges many of them. Yes, the feminazis and those who would have a difficult time pulling in a real alpha are livid over these men, but while their rhetoric is claimed by many women, the actuality for most of them is different.

Right now I have two plates doing gardening and volunteering to clean my bathrooms, kitchen, etc. Yesterday they were even both here at the same time, briefly. Both of them spout staunch feminist rhetoric. Neither of them can gain any ownership foothold in me, so they compete. I'm the prize. Feminists, beta men, and wanna be alphas hate that fact, but if you don't make yourself into a prize, then you'll never know just how much women WANT to secede power to an alpha man.