Tonality: breaking rapport tone. Not asking questions. downward/commanding/challenging tonality.
Playful: but not first. This is last. Playful and relaxed and IDGAF..... but AFTER the hint of danger and threat. Masculine polarity is more important, but a little playful can work wonders.
Comfortable with yourself no matter what happens. Not qualifying yourself to her. Escalation is fine. Rejection is fine. It's all as natural as escalation and you are neither too eager nor too repressed. It's all good, it's all fine.
General: completely non-needy. Not looking for ANY validation in any way shape or form from her. You escalate, but you have zero interest in her words, reassurances, respect, etc.
The nuke. Tell her that she makes you horny and if she is gonna withhold putting out then she needs to GTFO
Good idea, wrong implementation. Correct implementation: "Thanks, I totally understand" .... while you walk her to the door. You are clearly stating "sex or GTFO" but without the level of threat that she'll later rationalise as rape "he forced me to have sex with him by telling me I had to have sex or I would have to leave!". You walk her to the door, if she escalates then you go with it (but don't move back towards the bedroom the second she starts!).
Being generally unavailable/mysterious is good. It's actually just about essential in the early stages.
Soft next if major problems - this means you don't say a word, you walk out without saying a thing, and you ignore all her contact for a few days. If this doesn't fix her, nothing will, and she's a lost cause.
Never communicate verbally with a woman. They lie about themselves and assume you are doing the same. They cannot act/feel on the basis of anything verbally communicated. If she steps out of line say "don't do that". But don't sit down and communicate to her - it will weaken your position and strengthen hers. She will act on absolutely nothing that has been discussed even when she swears on her grandmother she won't (or will) do whatever the problem is.
Never confide or share your problems with a woman. Weakness = loss of attraction.
Don't commit too much either because commitment kills passion.
Her emotional turmoil DIRECTLY translates to your physical pleasure. Her satisfaction and security translates into your physical frustration and misery. You have to learn this for yourself to believe it.
Be prepared to walk away, always. Have a plan B on every date so that when things go wrong, you'll walk away happy. If she flakes, that's fine too - just do plan B. Don't fully commit even to a date.
Oneitis is your enemy. Do not commit to one girl - they don't appreciate it and you will start to backslide into betahood the second you feel you don't have the options you did. Cure oneitis by exploring other options.
Self first, mission second, women third. Say this to yourself over and over again. Then act like it's true - gym before mission. Mission before girl. Girl can only come over during your gym time? This is a test. Gym first = test passed.
Commanding: What does this even mean? I know not to create a high note on the end of a sentence, but that's all.
Commanding/challenging is like commands and challenges rather than questions or neutral.
You escalate, but you have zero interest in her words, reassurances, respect, etc.
This is contradictory. In order to open a girl you by default show an initial level of investment. What's going on?
Yes, there is an initial level of investment, but it's a tiny investment for you and you don't care what happens.
Best analogy I have for you: I give you a die and every time you roll you pay me a dollar and every time you roll a six I pay you twenty dollars. Every roll is an investment. You can roll as many times as you like. Do you cry and look nervous every time you roll a three? Fuck no. You roll, you hand me the dollars happily every time and sometimes you rake in your winnings.
Only a man terrified of losing his last dollar would be upset with this deal. I'm sure you see the analogy with women here.
Are you basically saying, "actions speak louder than words"?
Yes, but the words are designed to actively mislead you. This is why women demand to be listened to so hard - because it's vital that you listen to her. Because her actions are different.
I've read the bitch management post but I don't know how to set boundaries with both guys or gals. I thought you were supposed to keep things lighthearted. When you call them out on shit you become "that guy": the downer / too serious guy.
You can be light hearted and maintain boundaries. You don't be lighthearted in the face of EVERYTHING. Bad behaviour should be happily punished. YOU don't get upset, SHE gets punished. Push the bad dog outside while you laugh with your friends, don't spend the next hour crying and shouting at the dog while it's relieved that it has your attention.
People can fuck up (I've seen the post on "you have to train people, not everyone is perfect") and the worst I do is give them a look.
If giving them "a look" is enough, then great.
I also don't know how to make conversation. Sometimes things have to come up that are serious right?
Right. Some things really ARE serious. You can be light hearted or at least optimistic about serious stuff.... or be serious, that's ok too.
For example, you both fuck up on a test. You say "Fuck I made a 60%." They say "Hey me too." It's something you kind of bond over, make sense?
I dunno, I hate bonding with people over crap things. I'd rather "fuck, we need to sort this, let's work harder". But not with girls, because that's a future investment thing.
As regards "how to make conversation" ..... I do great at talking to girls but I know I really really suck in a few areas. It works best when they have a complimentary skill that makes up for my weakness and I'm attractive enough to them that they don't notice. It's not that hard but not that easy either :)
Going along with the stuff on top, don't know how to keep the turmoil while keeping her around. Seems like you're bringing negative energy just to keep her around i.e. you have to bitch.
Fuck no. I don't bitch. AT ALL. There is no negative energy.
The emotional turmoil comes from my unavailability and her lack of control when I'm not around. No future plan to talk. Ignoring her sometimes. Subtlely making it clear I fuck other girls. Making her jealous (apparently unintentionally). Not giving her security. Refusing to commit. Being really close one second and then distant the next.
I'm contextually confident – I'm good when it comes to topics I'm good at bc I'm more in-tune with the intellectual side. I have no fucking clue on social game, social circles, making friends with guys, banter, "just being one of the bros", just overall being a normal human lol.
Normal is average, and average is nowhere near good enough if you are not a vagina operator. Most people manage fine with a small close group of people they see regularly. Managing an extended network of friends and being popular with strangers is much harder and much more attractive.
I'm especially fucked up when it comes to being stifled with pre-TRP people or friends of friends of pre-TRP. Fucks up my daygame/social circle game even though thats the one I want to improve on most (nightgame/bargame isn't my style and is very looks/status based in college imo). I'm fucked as far as Law 5 so it makes me feel like shit tbh
You're probably fine but could do better. Keep working on it. fix your sticking points. Anything specific that you think needs work?
Social media is so 50/50 in this sub, between absolutely need and absolutely don't. Imo it's one of the worst ideas yet, people just stay inside and try to make their life look exciting, get out and do shit and then don't brag about it.
Think of yourself as a God Sun, and "people" are planets and comets that orbit you.
The one thing I consider to be the most valuable in TRP is that TRP is not only about women and getting pussy. OP words this nicely. Love the use of the word people.
TRP works on everybody, men and women. Obviously, we all want to get laid, but that comes naturally once you are following TRP in a natural way.
I would add a couple of points to your star of attraction. So, I try to balance my life based on the seven areas of life. You cover most of them in your post, but you're missing a couple and I think they're important.
Career - does she have a good career? Will she support mine? This is different from financial.
Social - does she have her own circle of friends, or would I be the centre of her attention? Who are her friends? Are they good people?
Family - Does she come from a loving, sane home? Is the father in the picture? Is he respected?
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emtium 7y ago
dope read
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Very nice synopsis. Let me add a few things:
Status:
Voice: Deep, low, slow, commanding.
Tonality: breaking rapport tone. Not asking questions. downward/commanding/challenging tonality.
Playful: but not first. This is last. Playful and relaxed and IDGAF..... but AFTER the hint of danger and threat. Masculine polarity is more important, but a little playful can work wonders.
Comfortable with yourself no matter what happens. Not qualifying yourself to her. Escalation is fine. Rejection is fine. It's all as natural as escalation and you are neither too eager nor too repressed. It's all good, it's all fine.
General: completely non-needy. Not looking for ANY validation in any way shape or form from her. You escalate, but you have zero interest in her words, reassurances, respect, etc.
Good idea, wrong implementation. Correct implementation: "Thanks, I totally understand" .... while you walk her to the door. You are clearly stating "sex or GTFO" but without the level of threat that she'll later rationalise as rape "he forced me to have sex with him by telling me I had to have sex or I would have to leave!". You walk her to the door, if she escalates then you go with it (but don't move back towards the bedroom the second she starts!).
Being generally unavailable/mysterious is good. It's actually just about essential in the early stages.
Soft next if major problems - this means you don't say a word, you walk out without saying a thing, and you ignore all her contact for a few days. If this doesn't fix her, nothing will, and she's a lost cause.
Never communicate verbally with a woman. They lie about themselves and assume you are doing the same. They cannot act/feel on the basis of anything verbally communicated. If she steps out of line say "don't do that". But don't sit down and communicate to her - it will weaken your position and strengthen hers. She will act on absolutely nothing that has been discussed even when she swears on her grandmother she won't (or will) do whatever the problem is.
Never confide or share your problems with a woman. Weakness = loss of attraction.
Don't commit too much either because commitment kills passion.
Her emotional turmoil DIRECTLY translates to your physical pleasure. Her satisfaction and security translates into your physical frustration and misery. You have to learn this for yourself to believe it.
Be prepared to walk away, always. Have a plan B on every date so that when things go wrong, you'll walk away happy. If she flakes, that's fine too - just do plan B. Don't fully commit even to a date.
Oneitis is your enemy. Do not commit to one girl - they don't appreciate it and you will start to backslide into betahood the second you feel you don't have the options you did. Cure oneitis by exploring other options.
Self first, mission second, women third. Say this to yourself over and over again. Then act like it's true - gym before mission. Mission before girl. Girl can only come over during your gym time? This is a test. Gym first = test passed.
freeeid 7y ago
Can you explain this turmoil thing more spesific?
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MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
are you sure it sounds as bad as you think it does? it probably sounds BETTER to other people.
the vast majority of people talk too fast
happy to elaborate, but what specifically didn't you understand?
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MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Commanding/challenging is like commands and challenges rather than questions or neutral.
Yes, there is an initial level of investment, but it's a tiny investment for you and you don't care what happens.
Best analogy I have for you: I give you a die and every time you roll you pay me a dollar and every time you roll a six I pay you twenty dollars. Every roll is an investment. You can roll as many times as you like. Do you cry and look nervous every time you roll a three? Fuck no. You roll, you hand me the dollars happily every time and sometimes you rake in your winnings.
Only a man terrified of losing his last dollar would be upset with this deal. I'm sure you see the analogy with women here.
Yes, but the words are designed to actively mislead you. This is why women demand to be listened to so hard - because it's vital that you listen to her. Because her actions are different.
You can be light hearted and maintain boundaries. You don't be lighthearted in the face of EVERYTHING. Bad behaviour should be happily punished. YOU don't get upset, SHE gets punished. Push the bad dog outside while you laugh with your friends, don't spend the next hour crying and shouting at the dog while it's relieved that it has your attention.
If giving them "a look" is enough, then great.
Right. Some things really ARE serious. You can be light hearted or at least optimistic about serious stuff.... or be serious, that's ok too.
I dunno, I hate bonding with people over crap things. I'd rather "fuck, we need to sort this, let's work harder". But not with girls, because that's a future investment thing.
As regards "how to make conversation" ..... I do great at talking to girls but I know I really really suck in a few areas. It works best when they have a complimentary skill that makes up for my weakness and I'm attractive enough to them that they don't notice. It's not that hard but not that easy either :)
Fuck no. I don't bitch. AT ALL. There is no negative energy.
The emotional turmoil comes from my unavailability and her lack of control when I'm not around. No future plan to talk. Ignoring her sometimes. Subtlely making it clear I fuck other girls. Making her jealous (apparently unintentionally). Not giving her security. Refusing to commit. Being really close one second and then distant the next.
Normal is average, and average is nowhere near good enough if you are not a vagina operator. Most people manage fine with a small close group of people they see regularly. Managing an extended network of friends and being popular with strangers is much harder and much more attractive.
You're probably fine but could do better. Keep working on it. fix your sticking points. Anything specific that you think needs work?
SmoothBeliever 7y ago
He is going to home
war_drunk 7y ago
Well said.
Corruptdead 7y ago
Social media is so 50/50 in this sub, between absolutely need and absolutely don't. Imo it's one of the worst ideas yet, people just stay inside and try to make their life look exciting, get out and do shit and then don't brag about it.
SmoothBeliever 7y ago
I looked at the stars
cheapcardsandpacks 7y ago
whats ur instgram and des this get you laid
SpinPlates 7y ago
"Playfulness blanced with danger"
This is my specialty whenever I take girls on my motorcycle and hit the gas/brakes hard and generally scare them a little. Girls absolutely love it.
Good Post OP. This will help out a lot of guys
SmoothBeliever 7y ago
I am looking at for a map
_MysticFox 7y ago
Social circle game / reputation gets me paranoid and not want to piss anyone off or say the wrong thing. Sucks
SmoothBeliever 7y ago
I choose a dvd for tonight
SoulRebel99 7y ago
This is great! Have an upvote!
SmoothBeliever 7y ago
He is choosing a dvd for tonight
thetrpthrowaway 7y ago
Excellent write up. I'll try thinking in order to get more points.
Though why did you post it in here and not in the main sub? More people will benefit from it over there
SmoothBeliever 7y ago
He is looking at for a map
topapito 7y ago
The one thing I consider to be the most valuable in TRP is that TRP is not only about women and getting pussy. OP words this nicely. Love the use of the word people.
TRP works on everybody, men and women. Obviously, we all want to get laid, but that comes naturally once you are following TRP in a natural way.
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SmoothBeliever 7y ago
I go to concert
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SmoothBeliever 7y ago
You are looking at them
TRPTosser 7y ago
Good list.
I would add a couple of points to your star of attraction. So, I try to balance my life based on the seven areas of life. You cover most of them in your post, but you're missing a couple and I think they're important.
Career - does she have a good career? Will she support mine? This is different from financial.
Social - does she have her own circle of friends, or would I be the centre of her attention? Who are her friends? Are they good people?
Family - Does she come from a loving, sane home? Is the father in the picture? Is he respected?
SmoothBeliever 7y ago
He chose a book for reading
kasper138 7y ago
So the red pill is about picking up women?
SmoothBeliever 7y ago
You chose a dvd for tonight
kasper138 7y ago
oh man now I feel reddit old.