I made a post a week or so ago about some morons on Reddit mislabelling me as an Incel over something trivial, and a girl I've been speaking to on Facebook who's literally sent me nudes, and has begged me to fuck her also joked/implied that I'm an incel within the same timeframe. It put me into a bit of an introspective spin, but after a few hours I remembered the 100s of girls I've been with in my life and I somehow managed to let the subject go.
A few days after that post, the girl with the nudes explains to me why she implied I was an Incel. Fair enough, I said. Let's hear it. According to her (no joke), I was "arsey" to her in the beginning, which basically translates to: I teased her. That is literally it. So, apparently now, the criteria for being an Incel has been expanded to teasing women. Fascinating. So, basically this has become a counter to the ever more increasingly mainstream Red Pill culture mostly thanks to Andrew Tate, I suspect. I'm not saying the shit we do doesn't still work, I'm saying Incel is now a tool to shame men who resemble anything close to Andrew Tate and his behaviour. Even though Tate himself is not an Incel. It's a fucking joke.
On top of that, tonight I was messaging a girl I haven't spoken to in a week who is usually very high interest. Suddenly she does a 180 and tells me she thinks I'm disrespectful to women, and that I'm vile and cold etc. I laughed and said okay, how? And she wouldn't give me an answer. She kept childishly going around the question, saying men like me make her sick lol. Fair enough. I wished her well, then she tells me she's seen another girl commenting on some of my posts calling me "big boy" and said, "you'd probably fuck them as well, I'm not a statistic blah blah blah" despite the fact I never hid that I wasn't looking for anything serious with her or anyone else. I'm always up front about what I want, even if it's just implied. She was all down for it prior to that.
What the fuck is up with these girls? Or am I the problem here?
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MidgetSpinner 1y ago
Well, assault is not a good example. I'll put it as simply as I possibly can: If I go up to a girl I like and give her a little pat on the ass, it is only harassment depending on her reaction. I know it sounds fucked up, but that is literally what it means. The girl was not harassed if she enjoyed it. Does that make sense?
I mean, using your assault example. If we were good friends and you punched me in the face, that would be the end of our friendship and I'd call that assault. If for some reason I enjoyed being punched in the face by my friends, then it wouldn't. It would just be something I enjoy. Punching a friend in the face is not the same as lightly tapping a girl on the ass though.
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MidgetSpinner 1y ago
That's exactly why in one of my comments on Reddit I stated as clearly as possible that knowing if or when to do something as bold as tapping some girl on the ass really takes experience and intuition. Your average dude could not get away with this, and probably wouldn't even think to try outside the comfortable boundaries of a committed relationship. That's largely why I think I was misunderstood on Reddit, it could also be that I'm not articulating what I mean concisely enough for them. Either way, even if they understood me, you're rarely going to win anyone over with polarising opinions like that unless they've been there themselves.
I've gotten away with some things that most people would find literally unbelievable. I'd be called a liar, but when you're a good looking dude who's Red Pilled, confident and experienced, and most importantly bold in pursuit of your desires and momentary whims matched with a honed intuition to read body language and situational context, then you can try things most people wouldn't ever dare to. I don't mean anything illegal, I just mean things that might be considered socially risky regarding picking up girls.
Btw, sorry if I didn't initially understand that you were literally making the same argument, lol. Sometimes I need to go back and read a few more times before replying. I get a bit hasty and overlook important shit. Appreciate your comments and thank you for not thinking I'm some kind of sexually assaulting rapist incel. You obviously get what I'm saying, but you were right that I wasn't being clearer on my stance with that one girl. There is a lot of nuance to something like this which takes diligence, and insight.
Lionsmane8 1y ago
Second girl is DTF, her hamster brain though is trying to pull the brakes.
Also you're probably rubbing your "knowledge" in their face a bit too much. I've been guilty of that too.
Try to be more subtle with your "opinions", game them, fuck them, but don't try to explain, convert, reason or debate with them. Just enjoy them for what they're worth (which isn't much).
MidgetSpinner 1y ago
Yeah, I am guilty of rubbing my "knowledge" in their faces a bit too much. Not something I used to do, so it's probably an ego thing I need to let go of, but I'm definitely not overtly talking about the Red Pill with anyone either.
RedPill115 1y ago
Incel is literally Slut, rebranded.
Girls call other girls slut all the time particularly when the other girl isn't around, the next step is to push the same kind of thing towards men.
Imagine the old school preacher lecturing on about the moral failings of loose women, and you get the same dynamic of the lecturing men on being "incels".
I randomly commented on a girls facebook post about a car. She responded positively.
After that, apparently her inbox was flooded from older women it looked to me like because she's married and older women are insert themselves into who she talks to and doesn't talk to to make themselves feel important and useful and police what younger women do.
Same thing happens with women of the same age, her friends are upset someone else getting her attention instead of them.
This system isn't good for society and some sort of forces are trying to avoid 1 uncommitted Chad being the only person all the women casually sleeping with, just because women are lazy and copy whatever other women are doing.
MidgetSpinner 1y ago
I find it highly ironic that the same girls that implied I'm an incel, are also getting their clothes off for me. I guess I shouldn't be phased at all, it's just an ugly term to be tarred with regardless of whether they understand what it means or not.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 1y ago
A) women and soyboys misuse words all the time. You should have seen all the times bloopies have accused WAATGM of being an incel sub, when for my part, I'm about as far from INvoluntary CELibate as a man can get.
B) however, if you're getting these accusations IRL, you're probably talking about RP stuff too much. I only ever discuss this stuff with other men, and only when I can tell they'll likely be receptive to it. never discuss it with women. First rule of Fight Club.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
You're the problem. I tease the everloving shit out of women at times and I never get called an incel. Never.
If anything these girls tell me I have game.
You're 100% doing something to portray that you have negative manosohere opinions of women which like I said in your other post, naturally gets hit with the incel label regardless of whether you're getting laid or not.
You're probably also conveying you're not sexually successful somehow.
The combination of overt manosohere vibes in conjunction with not appearing successful will get you hit with incel labels
I've never been called this before. it's either you or you keep wading into unfavorable company
MidgetSpinner 1y ago
Well, I've never ever been called this before. It was only within that couple of days timeframe. I don't hate women, or blame women for anything, especially not if I'm unsuccessful. I don't really get it, because I like to think I'm quite self-aware and I personally don't see that I've been negative towards any of these girls. I usually make them laugh. It's not teasing to the extent that it isn't funny. It's all in jest. The girl calling me vile and cold could not give me a reason as to why, I'm still baffled by it because I haven't once been vile or cold towards her.
I mean, these girls got their clothes off for me so I've obviously been doing something right. As far as the Redditors calling me an Incel, that's just Reddit for you. I wasn't even saying anything negative, I was basically saying coming on to women is not a bad thing. Feel free to try and help me get to the bottom of this though, because I certainly do not want to come off as an Incel.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I don't know what to say then. Tone down the manospshere vibes and stick to fun and confident vibes and you probably won't get called an incel
I am not sure what's contributing to being called incel in rapid succession without additional context
MidgetSpinner 1y ago
I don't know either, even with the full context. I'm confused. I provided context on my last post:
The Redditors calling me an Incel were basing the insult off of my opinions and my own experiences with women. Here's the comment chain here: https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/10bkrzi/comment/j4fb0bj/?context=3
And another chain on the same post: https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/10bkrzi/female_reporter_pinches_the_bums_of_men_in_1971/j4fxb0q/?context=8&depth=9
I'm u/Based_Wizard_2023. The comment chains aren't massive.
The girl on Facebook who joked I was putting out "Incel vibes" said that in response to a Red Pill meme I shared. It wasn't a serious meme at all, but looking back, I could see how it would come across as a bit cringe. The meme was of a guy in bed with 2 hot chicks all over him, but the guy looks sad and the captions read: When she says she's out with her girls, but you're with her girls. I just thought it was amusing at the time, and wasn't sharing as a kind of "this is me in RL".
I don't know man. Want me to pull up the conversations too? Lmao
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MidgetSpinner 1y ago
I don't talk to girls about this shit ever. I shared one meme lol. The people on Reddit I could not give a fuck about so I'll discuss whatever there.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Don't focus in on the reddit hoes. There's a chance you project those vibes to the two in person girls that called you an incel whether you like that assessment or not
No other reason i can think of why two girls you fucked would call you an incel