This has happened many times before. I'll be talking to a hot chick, and some brain-dead beta(s) will appear to talk shit to me.
Could be her orbiter, her ex, or whatever. These fuckers will keep passing comments to start shit, and so in the past, I have had to avoid even speaking with certain 'marked' girls in my school/college in some cases. While you may think that's overreacting, I have seen people get beaten by bats and stuff for things like this and so I mostly tried to avoid any headache with this sort of stuff.
Even in moderate ways, some betas will stare at you with a smug smile while you're gaming a chick in front of them.
Being around a group of friend helps but can't have that group protection at all times. The only other options seems to be to get rich and leave of my shithole neighborhood for somewhere more posh. But till then, what are some other options? I'm sure others have faced similar problems before, so how did you deal with this?
slowlylearning1 1y ago
Start going to boxing training, even just boxfit if you don't want to hit ; you'll learn some basic combos, punches, you'll end up in great shape too from it and the more you practice, the easier and more natural it gets. This will bring increased confidence too when you know you could throw a punch or two if something needed to be done.
Most of these passive aggressive betas won't do SHIT. Don't go crazy though and be aware of your surroundings, and try to de-esclate any potential violence but listening to why they are mad (if it does start to escalate). MOST people don't want to fight, and even if 1 out of every 200 does, with some basic training there is a good chance you will be able to defend yourself before getting the hell out of dodge. You don't want jail time, a record, or having hoodlums bringing shit in to your life for the sake of saving face.
Most men are weak though. I've had a few stares, odd confrontation in the past year. Luckily the few occasions anything has happened, they look away/down ; back track or say something then walk away. If do though, keep calm, have a relaxed manner, try to de-escalate of course but know you are ready to stand up for yourself. Both occasions, it was jealous men - one I kept making his wife laugh and the other was a guy who was incredibly drunk.
Its important to start learning basic self defence or take up a martial art. There's something useful in all the martial arts. You will find detractors so its important to be healthy and ready if they do come your way. Most are just gobshites who like to run their mouth and would be too scared or not know how to throw a punch in the first place ; but you do need to be careful especially if there is a big group of brutes, too.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1y ago
hmm, I'm old, but in my day for sure we had your betas/ white nights and the guys that women want.
I am one of the guys women want, not a chad, well, was in college but it really turned me off. I do recommend guys try it, to see for yourself what women say versus what they do.
Ok, back to your "how to deal with betas". I never worried about true beta's, as they are docile. They aren't the type to start something, even with numbers.
It's generally the guys, who think they are a chad/alpha, but obviously, aren't. Like a 5 or 6 guy, who thinks he's an 8 and pissed of why he can't get an 8.
MidgetSpinner 1y ago
Okay, so how would you deal with the latter?
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1y ago
myself, especially if they have numbers, I walk away before its escalated.
I have stuff. if you get into stupid situations when you have stuff, the courts, people, love to come at you and try to get it.
AbusiveFather1 1y ago
hot take: if a girl is in the company of a guy, ask that guy for permission to speak with the girl. this is how i was raised and this is how you avoid getting your shit pushed in by "betas". you know that the guy is trying to score, and even though he has shit game and probably won't score, you still shouldn't fuck with his chances - that's considered disrespectful.
in my culture, if you're doing things that will likely get you beaten up, and then proceed to complain about the deserved ass-beating - you're the beta. however, my culture and indians' are basically polar opposites, so take it with a grain of salt.
ncstaterepted 1y ago
TL;DR I told him I'm gay and de escalated it all and abandoned the set.
I saw somebody mention Indian. Are you going after Indian women with Indian men? This happens to me with Indian girls and Indian guys here in a large US city a lot. The girls like me very much and the guys come up and make outrageous displays of mate guarding. It's comical but they are 100% serious. I threw a drink out in a trash can at a large outdoor venue and a 5'2" college Indian girl with assets 8/10 was there. I walked away but turned back around and chatted her up. She was loving me, touching me, giving me doe eyes, laughing at everything I said. I was excited but slightly suspicious.
Suddenly a college Indian dude who was 5'4", fat, and balding rolled up to us. He got right in my face (my abdomen) and asked "Hey bro you know that's my girlfriend you're talking to?" I told him we were having a great conversation. He escalated from there to "Well it's over. Now get moving before I beat your fukn ass!" I could just laugh!!! I smiled and laughed! It made him more furious and he asked me if I think I could take him just because I'm tall. He'll knock me out. I promise you I kind of respected the dude and there's no chance I am hitting anybody. Anyway the girl started to flip out which was getting him more riled up. So, I said to her, "Tell him the truth, that I'm gay!" And then I patted the guy's back and said "I am gay bro!" and he calmed down and I walked away.
She was really hot, I am not sure how he is with her. I have two more situations like this just from Summer 2023. Indian college girls who are hot with nerdy pitbull boyfriends/brothers/simps or something.
AbusiveFather1 1y ago
First they come at you claiming they’ll beat your ass, and then, once you deliver the smack, they immediately run to the cops crying that you were harassing them. And the best part is they have no problem looking at their reflection in the mirror afterwards.
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
I'm an Indian in India, so yes.
However, Indians in states are quite different from Indians in India. Indians in states, generally, are usually more docile.
AbusiveFather1 1y ago
Bitch-made and scummy
MidgetSpinner 1y ago
Doesn't matter where you move to, because these little cock blockers exist in every arena.
My advice is to not even fight their pathetic little interruptions. Just casually walk off, and talk to some other people. If the girl you were gaming was interested, she'll find you.
There's a section in the Book of Pook pdf where he describes scenarios similar to this, and he basically says that you should allow the little betas to bark and simp so that they filter themselves out. This will do all the work for you. But he was describing the scenario within the context of being at a bar or somewhere similar. Of course every venue and scenario varies, but the general theme should be that you pay them no mind.
You don't have to fight these dudes. Never stoop to their level, even if they're aggressive. Self-defense only if it ever comes down to that. Other than that, just treat them like the petulant little turds that they are, with amused mastery, and let it slide. Your perceived value will automatically rise way above theirs.
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ogrilla99 1y ago
A few points. First, abundance mentality means that if gaming a specific chick gets too hard for whatever reason, move on. No woman is worth getting your ass beat for so if you think that's a real possibility, move on to some other woman.
Second though, is these guys are pretty easy to deal with. As @MidgetSpinner mentions, these guys may be huffing and puffing but all they're doing is filtering themselves out. Don't take the bait and get into a fight or argument. Smile, let them say their thing, tell the girl "nice to meet you, I'll see you around" and walk away. If the girl is really into you, she'll find a way to come back to you after ditching the other guys.
This happens for 2 reasons. Firstly, no woman wants a guy to decide who she's going to fuck. Not even her boyfriend / husband. Yes, if she decides she doesn't want to fuck you, and you're still persisting, she might ask a guy friend to get rid of you for her. But if she's enjoying your company and considering your offer and some other dude comes up and basically tries to make the decision for her by cockblocking her, she's not going to like it or like the dude who's doing it. IOW cockblockers are annoying to a woman whether they're other woman or other guys. So when one of her guy "friends" starts barking at you, all she sees is that a) he's trying to control her and b) he's threatened by you. If anything that raises your value in her eyes, and she'll seek you out even after you walk away.
Regarding reason #2 he's threatened by you. Again, not a good look for the guy. If you ever date 9/10s you'll realize they get hit on all the time. So much so that it actually gets annoying to take them out anywhere public. But if you want to date them, you have to have an anti-jealous personality. That is, if some guy walks up to "your" girl and chats her up, your attitude needs to be: "Feel free to talk to him because I know I'm better than him and you'll still be leaving with me. And if for some reason you think the other guy is better than me, go ahead and leave with him. No big loss as I have 5 other girls I can call up tonight." Acting jealous is a huge turnoff to women because it implies you're feeling threatened. In this case, the guys doing the mate guarding are acting jealous (would they be trying to pick a fight with you if you didn't represent a real threat / competition for their woman?) don't join them by arguing over the woman, implying that you perceive them as real competition too.
One time, I was at a bar and a bunch of guys and girls that I knew happened to be there. Two of the girls were hot and I figured this was my chance to chat them up. Each time I started talking to them, their "guy friends" would come up and start mate guarding. They were friendly (we all knew each other), weren't threatening violence or anything, but cockblocking nonetheless. Each time they came up and tried to interject in the conversation, I'd talk to them for a minute, then move to another part of the bar to talk to someone else. Inevitably, the two girls would find a way to ditch their guy friends and find me and wrap their arms around me and kiss me on the cheek as their guy friends would watch from a distance. And then they'd come over after a few minutes and try to break things up. This repeated several times during the night, and I played along because, honestly, it was fun and it was the girls who didn't want to break it off. I'd move away and go talk to some other girl or guy, and they would inevitably come over.
Finally, towards the end of the night, I offered to walk one of the girls home. She was down with it, but then her guy friends descended and were all like "hey bro, that's okay, she came with us, we'll make sure she gets home safe". I said "It's no problem, I live close by" but besides that didn't protest much, and just shrugged my shoulders and said bye to the girl. About a half hour later, she calls me. I ask her if she got home safe, she says yes, and that she really would have enjoyed walking home with me and sorry that she couldn't. And I just said "well, I'm leaving the bar now, I can stop by your place if you'd like". She jumped at the chance. I said a friendly goodbye to some of the cockblocking betas that were still at the bar, and went to her place and spent the night. Her guy friends were none the wiser.
Bottomline is, having guy friends cockblock you can actually be a good thing: it raises your value in the girl's eyes as long as you don't take the bait and get equally huffy and puffy and mate guarding. Make it clear you don't even think it's a possibility that she'll ever choose them over you, and that if she was dumb enough to do so, you've got plenty of other options. Do that, and she'll find a way to ditch the guys and seek you out.
MidgetSpinner 1y ago
I've actually had male friends, or who I considered friends at the time do shit like this and it always backfired on them. I felt no reason to compete because I knew I could get that girl regardless. The problem I've had in life mostly is that I've been sorely underestimated by people, especially by other men who didn't know me. Probably because I'm chill and not very tall (5'9"). To be honest I'm not actually sure what it is, but I'm not an ugly dude or incompetent by any means. As much as it has irked me sometimes over the years, it always ended up playing to my favour because I knew my value and why I was able to get these girls, and they didn't. So in a weird way I enjoyed being underestimated too, because them fucking around and finding out was always worth it. They really do filter themselves out, when you play it cool and let them dig their own grave.
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
While the rationale is on point, it fails in real life for most men. How many men can just drop a girl and then pick from another five they have in line? Extremely few--I'm certainly not one of them.
lmao what is this circus... some guys are completely retarded, aren't they?
Thanks, I'll try this. Maybe not say I'm gay or something but some variation of this.
ogrilla99 1y ago
And if for some reason you think the other guy is better than me, go ahead and leave with him. No big loss as I have 5 other girls I can call up tonight."
While the rationale is on point, it fails in real life for most men. How many men can just drop a girl and then pick from another five they have in line? Extremely few--I'm certainly not one of them.
Whether you actually can or not isn't the point though. It's whether your attitude conveys that confidence. I would say that I have sort of an anti-jealous personality. That is, if someone wants to shoot their shot with a girl I'm dating, my opinion is, go right ahead. Because either one of two things will happen: she'll either choose me (because she likes me more), or she'll choose you (in which case, I don't want her anyway; even if she's smoking hot and I have no one else, I'd rather be with someone who thinks the world of me). A jealous type would try to denigrate the other guy, cockblock him, or maybe yell at his girl about how she's being disloyal, etc. I'm the opposite. In my mind, if I've been dating a girl for a bit, she already knows me. I don't need to convince her of anything because there's nothing left to tell her. If she thinks she can find a bigger, better deal with someone else, she's welcome to leave. I won't stand in her way. I don't believe in keeping caged birds.
Another story, this one when I was (sort of) on the other side, where I was friends with a girl who was hanging out with a stranger. This was a little earlier when I wasn't yet full-on redpill but starting to get there. I went to a club with several friends. One of whom was this cute chick that I was friends with but there were vibes that we were both interested in something more. We get to the club and start enjoying ourselves, this chick and I are dancing, drinking, having a good time. I lose her in the crowd for a bit as I hang out with some of the other people in our group (not hitting on them or anything, just hanging out with common friends), but then I spot her dancing with some other guy, total stranger, not in our group. I shrug my shoulders and go back to my friends. Like I said, my attitude is, if you think he's better, go for it. I'm not one to get jealous. Anyway, she spends a long time with him, dancing, laughing with him. I occasionally see her out of the corner of my eye, but otherwise don't cockblock her or whatever.
Finally, our group of friends is going home, so I just go up to her, let her know we're all leaving, and does she want to come with us or stay here? She gives me a kiss on the cheek, tells me how much fun she's had that night with me, and then tells me she's going to hang out a bit longer and then get her own taxi home. I say sure, see you later, and leave.
I don't know if she hooked up with that guy, or actually left by herself, or whatever, because I never asked. And truth is, my attraction to her basically died at that point so I wasn't even interested in knowing. We still stayed casual friends but I never had the same attraction to her again. Why? Because we were already friends, so she knew who I was, what type of person I am. It's not like I had just met her and she didn't yet have the information she needed to make her decision. And she chose this stranger over me. Even if maybe that stranger didn't work out and she ever wanted to get with me, I'd decline. Because whatever I'm offering is obviously not enough. At best, she'll always be left wanting more, and consider herself to be settling. At worst, she'll keep looking for other men and trying them out for a possible monkey branch. Either way, I wasn't interested.
Now, at the time, I didn't have 5 other women. I didn't even have 1 (hence why I was pursuing this friend). I didn't really have an abundance mentality either, although I did go on dates here and there. But it was more a self-respect thing: I don't want someone who doesn't want me. And if I have to convince them why I'm the best person for them (after they've already known me for a bit), then it's already over. At the very least, I'm already over it and ready to move on.
EurasianChad 1 1y ago
I've dealt with this on many occasions. I've was shoved for making out with a chick who had an orbiter, and had to 1v5 him and his crew. Thankfully they were drunk as fuck and I was able to throw one dude into the gutter and then knock out his homie, which made the other think twice.
I was younger then. Now I'd avoid fights as much as possible especially on the street dude, you never know who has a knife. Its never worth it for a girl.
Use your social intuition when you enter a group, spot the sneering looks fast, meditate so you're always mindful, present and observing. Not in a paranoid way. But in a calm observant way.
Be socially calibrated like talking to the guy friends & being a chill dude. It's easy to dispell these guys and they look like total toolbags when they act jealous in front of the girls. Ask them if this is anyone's girlfriend before executing. Its very simple if you have basic social skills
Jealous haters will always be around. Its truly low value to act in that sort of way though, and you can easily spot guys who are compensating.
This is why it's essential to learn a martial art, and only hang with guys who you know are based and secure.
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
No chick is worth taking on fight with dudes. Fights can go either way. Even with martial arts, there are guys out there that won't get off your back until they've taught you a 'lesson' with their boys.
The only thing that seems to work best is to be more powerful than these losers: be rich, politically connected, built, etc. But that's a longggggg game.
EurasianChad 1 1y ago
It wasn't for the chick, it was a conscious decision I made about 2 seconds after being physically disrespected. He shoved me mid-makeout and tried to talk to the girl, so I basically grabbed him and threw him down the gutter nearby. I was already pretty muscular back then and could weighted chinup +90 pounds over my bodyweight for 5, so a 170-180 pound guy was far from max effort.
The guy was drunk and stupid enough to shove me. I knew I could take these guys but of course, like I mentioned and we are in agreement on, always better to avoid the fights.