How are you guys redpill aware but also true to yourself.

How do people repeat themselves but also repeat themselves?

So much of the redpill is about crafting the right response to a shit test, maintaining frame in someone else's eyes, doing specific actions to gain status, etc.

None of the more advanced guys around here are actively thinking about crafting responses, holding frame or doing any specific actions for specified results.

It sounds like before you learned the rules to life you were naturally doing all of the above subconsciously. TRP isn't a step by step guide how to be successful.

TRP is more like a set of guidelines to curate to your fitting. I always tell guys what works for me isn't going to work for you.

Trial and error is exactly how you develop your own style to life. Personally I'm too much of an ass hole and needed to tone it down to get further ahead most guys come from the opposite end of the spectrum.

It sounds like you might be too worried about being perfect/have a fear of failing now that you know the rules.

I agree with the other two users

You are severely overthinking this shit

How do you get people to do what you wanted before? You memorized and executed your blue pill belief system of human behavior. You never thought about it too hard.

Same shit about RP. Do i think about shit tests in the moment? No. Do i think about x in the moment? No. I just do it. Why? Because I've internalized RP. No one who is experienced is thinking about this shit in the moment. Maybe we reflect afterwards and say: "ah fuck that was a shit test i should have xyz" but for the most part no, we don't really think about it

Because you operate from the frame that you do not give a fuck. I really think a lot of us can fix the problems we have by thinking "Am I being a pussy right now?" Yeah? Ok I dont care about that anymore. When i failed shit tests I took what they were saying seriously or personally. When I pass shit tests I take nothing that person says as serious and make all conversation into a game and idgaf about the outcome and laugh at it anyway.

I think this is a good question and it exposes some of the weaknesses that red pill thinkers are commonly prey to -that of being co dependent, that of a man being the biggest pussy beggar out there, crafting his life to manipulate women by pleasing them iso they please him for fleeting moments. Such a man finds validation only in proving Briffault's law -that his relationships all revolve around him giving women what they want -the impression of high male value. Such a man is an actor, holing his frame -being in character. He is not authentic.

To balance that I would say that humans are a social species and we are codependent. If you want a relationship with another human, you do need to consider what they want and what they think and how to give them a good experience. I think some guys (including red pill authors) take it all too far sometimes. We really do benefit from seeing the truth of the world as it is but we still have to get in there and do our thing. Every man has to have his line that he will not cross when it comes to integrity as well as to know when to bend to being what someone wants them to be in order to get what he desires.

Embrace the knowledge, then do your own thing. Some of the guys who wrote this stuff don't even live by it now. This is not a religion with tenets and sins, where you get excommunicated for not doing certain stuff. Its more a science of reality. The laws of the world don't change but you can choose your own way through the world.

There's a new anxiety, knowing that Im being judged based on my frame, the possibility that an interaction was a shit test, the knowledge that life is a competitive hierarchy and we are judged based on our performance.

You were being judged on that criteria anyway, you just didn't know it happened. You were fine before (failing or passing), you're going to be fine know (both failing and passing). It's simply not that big of a deal in the long run. Also in the long run, you'll get better with practice and you'll fail less.

Isn't that a codependent thing, trying to make other people behave a certain way to satisfy your needs?

Before you found RP/Rollo you navigated blindly based on false principles (BP). Now you have the knowledge and the tools to make conscious choices and choose your responses. Women prefer men who "get it". You think that without RP/Rollo the interactions are somehow more genuine, they arent. This is b/c women are naturally RP, they already make their decisions based on RP principles. So now you have a choice to act like the guy who "gets is" or be the old "not-RP" guy who randomly stumbles upon correct decisions that make the girl like him more.

In effect you are making a conscious choice to lead your life and to lead her into having you (or eachother, depending on the perspective) in her life. You think it s an intellectual dilemma, while in fact it's a deliberately choosing to be the leader, something a men should be for women anyway.

you are over thinking.

There is a process - you wake up, and then you move on and live your life, and never have to be a victim again.

You sound like you are stuck in the 'waking up' phase. You're like some guy that has just found out that people can actually die in road traffic accidents, and now you're afraid to drive.

Knowledge is never a bad thing. Once you know that driving can be dangerous, you simply drive more sensibly. Don't speed. Don't drive drunk. Keep your distance.....etc.

Get on with your life. Enjoy it.

However, before the red pill I was already super focused on self improvement. I was coming at it from a place of fighting the need for validation. I believed that if I worked on being assertive and authentic, I would reach my goals with both women and life. I held that the most important thing was to accept what was out of my control. To not try and tailor my reactions to other people, but to just proceed with how I truly felt and what I truly wanted. Basically, to not be codependent anymore

This is the way.

So much of the redpill is about crafting the right response to a shit test, maintaining frame in someone else's eyes, doing specific actions to gain status, etc.

This is not the way.

Basically, you went from advanced-level, "inner game" mentality, to beginner-level, semi-autistic validation-seeking, PUA-lite craftsmanship.

What can I tell you? Just chill, and take a step back. Take a good, long break from everything red pill. Make sure to feed whatever other interests you have. Surely you're interested in other topics than just man-woman-stuff. Me, I like history, metaphysics, catastrophy, crime and court stuff etc. I probably spend less than 10% of my listening/reading time listening/reading red pill stuff. Make sure you do the same.

You already knew everything The Rational Male told you - that's why it was so familiar to you. It just taught you the vocabulary to verbalise it in your mind. So now it's in the forefront of your mind, rather than a subconscious script running in the background. It's normal when you first become consciously aware of this stuff. But it will pass, so long as you don't act like a red pill junkie.

Don't be a red pill junkie. Or in the words of Rian Stone:

"You need to learn this shit, so that you can forget it."

As for the anger phase, you'll learn to love the game. You always have the choice which way you want to spin the information you find in this space. A bit of love and understanding for your fellow men and women goes a long way for spinning things more positively. Water is wet.

Good, honest post btw! We need these sort of discussions here.

Follow-up question:

What specifically angers you?

Imo Anxiety might come from ie: discomfort, anger.

Anyway you learnt something and you are unsure were you doing stuff right. It should normalise.

People that (say) act alpha but later die due to 1000 concessions, don't know why. With newly acquired knowledge you have better chance to prevent yourself for falling for that.

Anxiety is coming from environmental changes, real or perceived. Your brain is ready to addapt.its a feature not a bug.

Sup man. I've been through similar thoughts/feelings.

Since september this year I started a new life and I wanted to implement all I had learned redpill-wise. I managed to dominate my new social circle, I became "alpha" and a leader with my friends and in Uni. This got me to bang the hottest girl in my class and gave me great satisfaction. Sadly, my transformation wasn't complete. I still unknowingly held many of my old bp beliefs, and I quickly fell back to old patterns. This girl dumped me after 3 months, my first uni course finished and I lost all the status and momentum I had built. I felt like a phony loser, an impostor. I almost gave up on the redpill, thinking that it only led to faking a personality and inauthenticity.

Luckily, I have regained some control over my thoughts. Also, I've been falling sleep every night to The Rational Male audiobook, and this is the main point of my response to you: read the part about "JBY" and "fake it til you make it". I believe it's a whole chapter. You'll understand how this process of becoming takes time (probably never ends), personality is a process, and "being true to yourself" relies on the fallacy that we can be what we are. There's a very interesting philosophical discussion about authenticity and identity, but the main idea is that they're never fixed: they're always in flow and open for improvement. This is not about trying to control what other people do or what other people think. This is about knowing what you want from life, acknowledging it to yourself, and reaching for it. You'll care about other people's reaction, this is only normal in every social animal. We're unavoidably dependent on others to an extent, we genuinely care about what others think of us because it is important to our survival. I think you just discovered and became aware of many things that were flying under your radar till this point. It can feel overwhelming but we will adapt. Good luck