I honestly am not sure of the point of this post or what I'm trying to articulate, but I've just been feeling anger recently towards women? I'm not even sure. I think i'm still mad at what women are and I think of the cat analogy of how you don't get mad at a cat for being a cat, but I can't seem to grasp it.
Maybe its recent experience but I just keep think how much better I am than these girls, I didnt focus on them at all for a couple months and accomplished a lot and now I just look at every girl and think there nothing compared to me. But then this in turn makes me even more mad when they go for a loser. Sometimes its par for the course and its whatever the guy genuinely has good game, but then I see these girls obssess over these average guys and it pisses me off.
maybe its where i'm from I was talking to my friends about this how I grew up in a school with rich kids and girls would obssess over guys who would be losers in real life.
But at the same time I get so jealous envious when I go to the gym and see someone bigger than me, or even a bar I just think immediatley if this guy has game that he would take my girl and theres literally nothing I could do.
Something similar happened last wk this girl I had been talking to was giving my friend googly eyes and all I could think was how mad I was and that in the end is she wanted to there was literally nothing I could do to stop her from fucking him. I don't understand how you don't feel emasculated by something like that, I wanted to tell her how bad of a person she was she couldnt even have the respect to not flirt in front of me, then I remembered she doesnt give a literal shit and anything I would do would make it worse. It made me hate her and I didnt know what to do with my anger. It was like how Jeff bezos girl looked at leo. It was like I know im cool but heres this other fucking cool guy that girls love.
Getting a lot of competition anxiety, maybe im acting blackpilled and such, I think for me its hard to conceptualize game because I can't hear their game I think in the male pov where we would choose the hottest girl, I just see a bigger guy, or a jacked guy and immediatley I think fuck she'll choose him, even though I like myself over most guys.
Most of the time i'll be envious and then i'll talk to these guys and be like oh he was actually cool. But these women, I think it just goes against my personal values and thats why it bothers me so much, no respect, no honor, rewarded for being a bad person, with no retribution in sight.
I have no idea what Im trying to say so if anyone can make sense of this.
Problematic_Browser 1 3mo ago
I occasionally get called a nigger by people who still live with their parents. I got told that I'm "no prize" by a coke abusing granny who works gigs because she can't hold a job. I got asked "what makes you so great" by someone who was literally the direct beneficiary of the things that make me great.
Other people are just stupid assholes sometimes and the only way they can feel better is to try to tear down others who are doing well.
Ignore them and keep winning.
mattyanon Admin 3mo ago
Understandable. You've been lied to about women, relentlessly. It's understandable to be angry at the lies and at the situation. You're not going to get what you want out of life because it doesn't exist, and honestly it is within their power to be more honest about it - but the lying and misdirection is part of their nature.
You are still over-investing.... you are still caring..... you are still acting as if they are not fickle cheating whores. You have not internally accepted their nature, and you are still over estimating them.
Right. You've not intermalised what you know.
Right.
Internalise this, and then make a plan for what to do about it.
Durek_The_Bald 3mo ago
...unless said plan will involve doing some crazy, evil shit.
benzino 3mo ago
The thing about envy is it actually more about yourself. You don't hate these women or men, you hate yourself for not getting what you want, for not being good enough, and you're projecting this anger out to the world.
Brother, realize that you can't and won't get everything in life, at least when you want it. Things come and go and it's not in your control. Everyone has bad days and it just happens that yours are coming now. What you need to do is be strong and push through it.
On the bright side you already have some motivation, you just have to direct that energy towards your goals and forget about the rest. Women are overrated to be honest, and it can be a good thing that you don't have any to distract you.
It's also good that you recognize this behavior is detrimental. It does fuck all for you, and it in fact chases away what you want in life. You really need to direct those emotions towards something beneficial instead of letting it drive you in a cycle of destruction.
Set out goals for yourself and yourself only (health, fitness, wealth) and keep working on that every day. Trust in the process, block out all the noise, don't try to chase and what you want will eventually come to you. (If you build it they will come, like that movie quote)
oowiw 3mo ago
Life isn't fair and it feels like it should be, but it still isn't - so your anger is you chewing on and resisting accepting that principal.
You focus a lot on the guys who have genetic advantages over you, but consider also that there are many guys you have genetic advantages over as well.
If we adjust for game and status and personality - same game and same status and same personality - blackpill is of course what is left. But while you're not at the top of that hierarchy, you're not at the bottom either - instead of just focusing upwards try focusing across and down and try to feel gratitude for where you are. You're not going to change the blackpill elements, that's what defines them, their immutability - so it's up to you whether you're going to have elevated cortisol levels all day and die early, or choose another emotional response. Your mind is part of your health - you don't eat junk (much, i hope) so don't think junk either - persistent stress and anger is going to fuck up your health just as surely as junk food will - you need to curate your emotional state.
The heuristic that helps me is: "Regardless of whether my anger is right or justified or whatever, am I going to take action on this anger right now? If It's not actionable, it's cortisol for nothing, and it's not worth it."
Shifting my sense of when to be angry away from what's "right" and towards what's "actionable" has made a tangible benefit in my life. When things (like social media) are elevating my cortisol levels but are not immediately actionable I cut them out. Same with people. And over time, I'm getting better at interrupting my own anger and saying "I'm not about to take action on this, so I don't need it right now" and letting it go.
wswZtyqNGQ 3mo ago
OK, seeing as you keep "respecting" stupid women let's get down to the absolute basics.
A cat has something that you want and wants something that you have:
Cat has: athletic powers, feline-ism
You have: intellectual power, resources
You can can make a deal with a cat:
Cat provides: entertainment
You provide: safe living conditions
This is a good deal. You need only to find a cat that will accept the deal. Many will not.
A woman has something that you want and wants something that you have:
Woman has: non-diseased vagina, femininity
You have: intellectual power, resources
You can can make a deal with a woman:
Woman provides: sexual exclusivity, children
You provide: safe living conditions
This is a good deal. You need only to find a woman that will accept the deal. Almost none will, but there are some.
joyboy 3mo ago
Yeah i feel the exact same way dude. I get pissed at guys who are better looking/taller/more game or whenever I see a guy with a cute girl, just pisses me off so much. But there's nothing you can do other than improve and become the best version of yourself to be able to compete
joyboy 3mo ago
What did i say
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 3mo ago
This post's comments section is full of a lot of better ways of looking at things than through a lens of anger, envy, and resentment.
Read through them and try to restructure how you think about some of these things.
Whatsnext 3mo ago
you dont want an obese 500lb women covered in stinky sweat. gotta be great. also anger phase is normal itll turn into thinking its funny and not taking anything serious. atleast thats where im at rn
First-light 3mo ago
I think Benzino makes a very good point about the self loathing thing. You hate the fact you have not got as much success with women as you would like and that projects a hatred of the failure out onto everything that touches the subject.
Its important to see that this is not a totally abnormal feeling -the drive to succeed with women is very strong, Its the driver of evolution that has put us all here. There are guys on this site who have give up a great deal to pursue women or as a result of pursuing women. This drive makes fools of us all. There are guys like me who have lost a great deal in a divorce years ago and will never really commit to any woman ever again, there are guys shrinking their nuts and damaging their health and fertility with testosterone to get bigger to attract women better, there are guys who have given up their fertility by having vasectomies so they can fuck consequence free. This drive screws us all up.
Its important not only to see women as being like cats but men are too. Trying to control and manage these desires of ours is a thing that occupies our minds a lot of the time -how to get enough success to be happy with ourselves and how to reduce the harm it does to us is most of what is talked about here.
If you can make yourself see that you are just the victim of your inner drivers, the hatred may start to be about your inner situation not about the things that surround you. Then you can start orientating goals more internally -improving your life in measurable ways. Women tend to be driven by their own weakness towards men who are strongly in control of their lives and are happy, so it has this bonus too.
There is no magic pill to fix this. A bit more success with women would probably be the biggest helper. Its easy to despise women for enjoying their options but look how the guys on this forum with lots of options are behaving -it cuts both ways. Women just have a huge helping hand from the gynocentric society and men just get told they are bad.
Its going to hurt, one just has to make the best of it possible and hating on the things that could make you happy or could make you sad has got to be avoided. Diving into the game and controlling what you can control about your own life has got to be better than watching angrily.
Anyway sorry you feel kike that. Its not easy and I hope you find a way out.
Lone_Ranger 2 3mo ago
Wow -
Good news: you were very honest in your post, which is important. Nobody can fix anything until they start being honest. Being honest is step 1 of any kind of progress.
Bad news: you are really really far down the incel rabbit hole already. You need to fix this shit ASAP. Reasons:
You see other men as competition. If you see other men as competition, you are basically being cucked by all of mankind, all day long, forever.
You see all women as bad because they don't choose you.
If you put this altogether, I would say that you worry me. I would be worried about you if I were your friend. You urgently need to fix yourself. And its not gym and game and fashion and money that will fix you. I don't know if therapy will help.
I think you need to make friends with other men in the real world, talk to people, get perspective, learn how to socialise and network, learn how to have fun in groups. There are lots of things you need to learn
Other men are not competition. They are friends. men help each other, protect each other. I highly advise you seek out a mens group and join it.
Women are not your enemy. You don't own them, they don't owe you anything. Your seething resentment (that they don't choose you) is all caused by baseless entitlement.
You may not be very attractive. This might be physical, and more importantly, intellectually. The reason why women hate incels? Many reasons - one reason is that they are scared of them.
This reply of mine might be hard for you to take. You might downvote me, or lash out. But if there is one thing this forum might be useful for, its feedback.
You asked, you got.
MrSupreme 3mo ago
You just gotta figure out how to continue living after realizing women are a different animal.They think different,they act different,they feel different,they are treated different and they live differently.Its like finding out they are basically aliens or some other species. Its harder if you got red pilled after thinking men and women are equals. It's a bunch of emotions, first thing to do is realize you got this issue and then meditate upon it, it is completely possible to get over it, slow and steady.
User4566 3mo ago
Hey man, to each their own. I’m 6’4” and have chad attributes, yet girls sometimes choose my 5’10 buddy over me.
I’ve been reading this book called “Models” by Mark Manson. In the book, he covers what your talking about as neediness. You are putting way too much emphasis on her validation and that’s needy asf. Tell you what: go put alone and talk to girls you like. Find the ones who will give you the time of day and which ones you click with. I know it sounds impossible, but I know for a fact there’s at least 5 chicks willing to give you a shot if you go out to a bar/club.
Stop relying on your buddies to hold your hand, go out there and do what you want you bad mother fucker. Also, there’s a free PDF of the book I mentioned online. Strongly advise you to read it.
Problematic_Browser 1 3mo ago
I occasionally get called a nigger by people who still live with their parents. I got told that I'm "no prize" by a coke abusing granny who works gigs because she can't hold a job. I got asked "what makes you so great" by someone who was literally the direct beneficiary of the things that make me great.
Other people are just stupid assholes sometimes and the only way they can feel better is to try to tear down others who are doing well.
Ignore them and keep winning.