OP you keep demanding to know what to SAY while ignoring what everyone advises you on what to DO. You will gain absolutely nothing from here until you understand this.

Best answer is to ignore them when they say shit like this. In the past i've said Hey no problem thanks for everything and wish you the best! But now knowing more I wouldn't even respond. Trying to make it work only makes them double down 100x harder. If they mention breaking up you have to be so outcome independent and abundant that they question their value. If you ask for her back she thinks "Im making the right decision look at this loser." Its fucked up but its what ive learned over time. As far as what to do now? Likely never talk to her again, go gym, start gaming new girls, do fun shit

Now you will know your mistakes and hopefully won't repeat them with the next girl.

All you can do is move on since this relationship is torched.

I recommend you start building your soft harem. After you start fucking other women, this will stop hurting.

She definitely overtly communicated that she was done and she's moved on.

Cut contact, and move on. She was already spinning plates, and making an ass of you with sexual innuendo towards guys she'd meet on girls' night out. That is not the behaviour of a hypergamously satisfied woman, so it's no surprise she's already on tinder. You gave her an easy way out by being a passive-aggressive bitch, but it was already over before that. Ignore the waterworks, it means nothing. Women can turn that off and on at will. She's putting on a show for her own mirror, in order to feel good about herself ("I cried, which means I'm still a good person").

Next time, with the next girl, be more assertive, state what you want, and be ready to dump them when conditions aren't being met. Your only power is your willingness to walk away. And throughout this, you haven't been willing to. You've just been making passive-aggressive threats, and then not following through on them. No wonder she lost the tingles then.

Read the texts she sent you again, and translate from womanese. She explained it to you quite clearly, what your problem is.

Askholes like you don't deserve advice.

If I did really want her back what would you say is the best thing to do?

Lmaoo my sides. She's probably getting her guts rearranged while you're here bitching.

You literally did everything opposite of what the guys here told you. Fuck off.

You want a girl already on tinder back for a LTR? She is going to need to do some character growth herself one thinks.

Yes agree with her decision politely and kindly. Yes start working on self improvement (and enjoying and liking your self and your company, don't forget that in all the self improvement). Then you can check in on her every couple of weeks, give her a little news, hear hers and see if she wants to talk to you again over time ad if you want to talk to her.

casual for 2 years

I find that texting is useless—it makes them lose attraction, you lose mystery, and it looks like you have nothing else to do.

From your last post. Treated girl like a plate (she was) for two years and then treated her like a plate after commiting. This is fucking retarded. You can't upgrade a girl and then not give her anything relationship or security related.

Not to mention this is untrue. You can fully text a woman funny and interesting shit that you couldn't do in person. You have a lot to learn

Doing "man stuff" like AC around the house is not a masculine way to lead a relationship. Wtf? I hate to say it but your understanding of relationships is very poor.

Need time and space

Are you a chick? Tell her what she did wrong instead of this hiding and space shit.

The fact she said she wanted to talk about it, didn't get a call from you and ended it shows she was thinking about it anyway. She just threw that out there as bait so she could blame you when you declined the first call. Learn to understand women it was already over and you played into that bait sandwich perfectly. It was already over and now she suckered you into feeling like the one who ruined it (although you don't seem to know how to relationship anyway)

She started crying more

Because she is a dumb child and is stressed out she has to endure the conversation of confronting a guy she's having to reject after four years.

Also on top of this I saw she’s on tinder already too.

BECAUSE SHE ALREADY WANTED TO BE OR WAS ALREADY GUARDING HER PHONE FOR TAHT REASON FROM YOUR LAST POST

and she's a hoe

Please no insults.

You need to open your eyes and hit the sidebar again.

Go lift at the gym, enhance your looks and game, get your shit together because this was weak stuff, and get in your redemption arc stronger than before. And then laugh at her sad single and and lonely social media posts 3 years from now while you ignore her texts asking to get back together with you while another chick is in your bed

Get on it. You fucked up and she also sounds like a hoe. You shouldn't have been in this relationship to begin with you don't know how to relationship

You can't fake being a self-respected emotionally stable, rational male. You are the proof of that.

You came on here and everyone tried to give you the right clues and advice - and still you did the one thing nobody advised you to do.

I will tell you, just accept what you are and follow your heart.

She is wearing your nuts as earrings, forever.

Please no insults.

It’s called tough love. Don’t be a little bitch.

I’m just trying to find a solution and feel better. Really upset rn. Thanks

We all told you what to do in the last post. Reread our comments. You did the explicit opposite of what we advised.

You fell for a bop; it happens. You had feels for the wrong bitch; It happens. It will suck; it will hurt. You can take that pain and let it throw you into a downward spiral of depression, deeper obsession with this hoe, continued derailment from your life’s purpose, etc OR you can take the redpill.

Upward spiral. Go the fuckin gym - you’re feeling sad and hurt? Lift till those weights and that muscle soreness hurts MORE. Over and over again until your muscles get bigger and stronger and that pain becomes lesser and lesser. Do this correctly and you’ll come out of this being much more attractive to bitches; pulling hotter ones etc.

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