I came to this conclusion from experiencing the local dating market in my part of the world.
The girls, although highly attracted by masculine men, are not looking to establish or build relationships with them.
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They either avoid them (and gaze from a distance).
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Try to shame them into becoming betas.
- Have short term flings with them.
I have come to the conclusion that they prefer to date and marry lapdogs and eunuchs that they can lash out on, not fuck and control.
They are looking for Labor, not men.
How is it in your part of the world?
mattyanon Admin 1mo ago
Fear/shyness
Right
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This happens, and it happens a lot...... if you look around at most dating, it's clear that women who can fuck hot guys are also, additionally dating betas for their supply of resources and especially security.
It varies a lot everywhere...... but if you want to date and commit, display more beta traits. But dating fucking sucks ass, so I wouldn't recommend it.
TRPDuryodhana 1mo ago
Wojou had done a great, detailed post about it... The alpha and the beta personalities: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/xuj9w1/the_alpha_and_the_beta_personalities/
For a LTR, in the current neolib culture, you have bring to both thrill (alpha) and security (beta) to the table. What a headache. But real sucker is that there are high chances you'd still lose. So monogamous LTRs are a big no for a freedom loving guy.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
I like my sex to be high quality, enthusiastic, low cost and low stress.
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
Where I live my wife and I are usually the hottest 2 people around, even in our late 40s. Every once in a while a younger couple will come along but the chick always has tats, dresses like a prostitute, and has a Chadling in tow along with a blue pilled clueless hot body guy.
We have a serious obesity epidemic. Everywhere I look everyone is 50lbs overweight. Only top 1% prostitutes and kids under 12yrs old aren't fat. Even then the kids are often fat. And I am talking about everywhere from the gym to Walmart to the local parks. The only time I get relief from fat people is when I go to the Asian store. Even taking my son to athletic camp there's kids 50lbs overweight.
I don't know why it's like this. Most people are Hispanic from S. America/Mexico and so they eat that high carb food. The rest are White/European and eat the standard high fucktose corn syrup stuff. I often feel like puking when I look over at their grocery carts. Like the last time I saw a guy in shape it was some 70yr old Boomer.
The point I'm trying to make is we have achieved a human version of Rat Utopia, especially for women. Most of our normal genetically programmed in behaviours are thrown out the window. Females don't rear their offspring and males don't help... We can't even reproduce anymore... The "pretty" rats sit around incessantly grooming themselves... The average rats lie about doing nothing...
So it's no surprise to see this "behavioural sink". Alpha immigrants running around raping women and children, killing betas, taking whatever they want from stores, etc. And the women just doing their nails and hair all the while.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Social collapse often accompanies moral bankrucy.
Now the decay is hitting the economy and finally it will be serious security issues (i.e. wars, civil or not).
The ship is sinking. As a fit rat, why haven't you abandonned the ship yet?
Can't swim?
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
I actually researched this from a historical perspective. Societal collapse starts with female liberation. Following liberation, women come into prominence. They become senators, judges, etc. Then they spread moral decay. By my reckoning we've had moral decay for 70 years now and the transition is complete.
Some key indicators are the military falling short of it's recruiting goals. Now our Roman army has to get barbarians to serve(migrants). Then there's the debt, inflation, lawlessness, etc.
I got off the ship a long time ago. 2005 if I recall correctly. Now I'm just eating popcorn and watching it sink from afar. I feel bad for all those people whose pensions rely on commercial real estate or thought their home equity would retire them. The numbers currently put this "correction" at 10x the GFC.
Einsamer 1mo ago
If I had to guess, I'd say you see yourself as an alpha but maybe the girls are not aligned with that view.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
I thought of that.
But I had girls tell me:
Judge for yourself
TheRedPike Senior Endorsed 1mo ago
Allow me to translate.
"You look too intimidating".= "Intimidate me." "You look too much like a player" = "Play with me." "I'm afraid you'll use me and throw me away" = "Use me and throw me away."
If they are saying it, they are thinking it.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
lol so what do you reply to that besides "you're damn right bitch!"
TheRedPike Senior Endorsed 1mo ago
Keep them talking so you keep it in their head.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Well, last girl I picked started distancing herself yesterday after calling me "lady's man" in a condescending tone.
As if that was a negative smh
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1mo ago
I got that a lot also.
When I was young and also now that I'm old, same thing. They'd actually come out and say, you are too much above me, you won't stay.
Look, some girls got burned, that hurt. They don't want it again.
Some girls go way overboard. I know girls who are like maybe a 7, really cute, nice bod. They date guys who are like 4-5, but really nice guys. The thing is, you know they are attracted to the good looking guys, they went out with guys who were like 7-8 and got burned.
So, now she's looking for comfort, not fun.
Do, I think the girls in these relationships have a lot of sex? Nope.
They are looking for comfort.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Yeah, I know some attractive girls who are attractive that are in relationship with guys who are frankly waay beneath them on the socio-sexual scale. Always wondered what their problem was.
And the sad part is, they openly flirt with other guys in front of them.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1mo ago
they usually treat these guys poorly. They know he's not going anywhere. They know that they are the best looking he'll ever get. Most guys won't walk away from that, even if the sex is drip fed.
It's why guys really make a mistake with that , going after girls above them in SMV for a LTR.
If their was not sexual desire from the start with her, hard pass. Guys need to get that.
https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/25/the-desire-dynamic/
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
The problem is not that they're above them in SMV, it's that those guys treat them like they are above them, pedestalize them. This is where they get the cue.
I have a friend whos average af in terms of looks, but his game is off charts. Back in HS, the hottest hoe was tying his shoes on a command lmaoo
Another one got too much in her head and slapped him, the mofo slapped her back and she started to cry. At the end of the year, she asked him to prom..
It's the attitude and FRAME that matters.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
frame and game are SMV points (only topped by preselection).
No, some guys are literal garden gnomes and act like sub-dogs to these women. The woman they are involved with hate them, despise them and openly flirt with other guys with them. they prefer security and control over their workhorse to fulfillment.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1mo ago
hmm, not sure what you are saying.
The girl I mentioned, a friends daughter, is way above the guy she is with in terms of looks, face and body. He's a 4, she's a 7.
He's a nice guy and puts up with her shit, she's high maintenance.
the guys she's been with prior, have been way better looking than current guy. They either cheated on her or dumped her, didn't treat her as someone they cared about.
That hurt her bad. So, she moves onto a guy who's way lower, he's nice, he's safe, won't hurt her feelings. No tingles though
are you saying it's not looks?
I mean, sure, game and social standing are important. but looks have to be there also for tingles.
I'm old, but over the years and still today. I see hot girls with fat average guys. The guys usually are fun and spend money on them.
$$$$ is always important to women, these girls don't show affection for their fat average guy. Just his wallet
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
Looks is important, but the SMV is pie chart, which means if you lack in some segment, you can increase another one.
Money will open her legs, but won't make her pussy wet. The guy in my example is not fat, but skinny. He's tall tho. Im just saying that women take the shape of the container.
Durek_The_Bald 1mo ago
A little bit of that (want for comfortable security), a little bit of not being able to lock down what they really want, and a little bit of realistic self-image.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1mo ago
exactly. some girls have common sense. Some girls go overboard, they got hurt and it really impacted them. They say guys have ego's, right. You've never seen a girl come to reality with her SMV potential.
Musicgoon78 1 1mo ago
I don't know where you got this bonehead shit from. Women have a dual dating and mating strategy. AF/BB.
Now a bunch of guys during the entire history of the manosphere are absolutely obsessed with this idea of "alpha" and sperg on it hard.
Now watch some guys get their panties in a wad here....
There's no such thing as a human male alpha. That's just a placeholder term or trope. Alpha Is a term coined for behaviors that are attractive and exciting. These are typical masculine leaning traits such as self confidence decisiveness and leadership. These unlock the sexual side of a woman's personality. Hence, Alpha Fux.
Beta is a term coined for more comfort based behaviors. These are less action based and more service oriented or nurturing in nature. This is the part of every guy that makes a good family man or partner. These are usually equated with female qualities. Beta behavior doesn't give sexual tingles. It does however create lasting connections and loving bonds with people you care about.
Beta Bux is a bit of a pejorative term but the idea is that guys provide and protect their women and children.
As a man you have both of these dudes in you. How you use them will determine what types of relationships you get and who will stick around.
This binary way of thinking doesn't do you any good and it's really detrimental for the other retards who read it and take it to heart.
I'm not sure the point you're trying to make or even if that was a question, but I don't agree with your statements.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
I know what you mean.
I am using these terms as placeholders as well.
Replace them with whatever terminology suits you.
But my point is, these women seem more interested in getting a guy they don't like under their thumb vs. getting under the thumb of a guy they do like.
Capice?
Musicgoon78 1 1mo ago
Women are not more interested in a beta they control. That's not something they seek out. That's something they settle for.
Are you telling the group that women seek out guys they don't like? Can you hear how dumb that sounds?
sean_karaya 1mo ago
For non.sexual purposes, yes.
"seek out" does not always have to correspond with sexual activities.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Tomatoes, tomatoes.
Yes, they select guys they don't like.
Musicgoon78 1 1mo ago
Naw. That doesn't track in my experience.
Lone_Ranger 2 1mo ago
In my part of the world its like this;
The woman are only attracted to alphas. They spend age 16 to 32 getting railed by alphas. They then believe that they are a 9.5, because the last 80 guys they slept with were 9.5's. (if you think those are high numbers, they are not - 16 to 32 is 16 years. So 80 guys is just 5 guys a year, what they would call a low body count). This is when they are average looking. Average looking 5s go around thinking that they are hotties, because they have been railed by so many 9.5 dudes.
They then start 'dating with a purpose' and go on OLD. They are shocked to find only betas and spergs on OLD. They reluctantly go on dates with the beta spergs, but are not attracted to them, so no sex.
Thats what's going on in the UK.
Birth rate of native borns (non immigrants) has fallen off a cliff.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Yeah.
It's actually the same pattern here, but with less sex involved.
Lone_Ranger 2 1mo ago
Well, its less sex for most men.
But there is clear evidence of the phenomenon of the 'super shagger' emerging.
As women become more 'independent' and less ashamed of being 'liberated' (sluts) their preference for chad has become even more pronounced. So the old 80:20 rule is breaking down...
The average woman (a 5) is no longer even interested in the top 20% of guys. They only want the top 0.5%. And if you look at the actual body count numbers, these are the super shaggers. Guys with body counts of 300 and up.
They are doing most of the shagging. Many find this hard to believe, but they shouldn't - its exactly how it works in nature. The true alpha is only about 1% of the animal population, and in herd mamals, only the alpha male (singular) is allowed to fuck the females. All other males are beta, and will be brutally killed if they touch any of the females. That is the law of the jungle.
Women are turning their backs on civilisation in favour of going back to the primitive times.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Sounds more like late stage capitalism and extreme wealth concentration.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
They'd prefer an alpha that could commit, but can't find it. They then settle for the only other long term arrangement they can realistically achieve, which is a beta or average dude they can control
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Alpha can and do commit.
But they can't be controlled.
And that's what bothers them.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
They commit to some women. There are more women to commit to than there are alphas to commit.
Hence why most women can't get one despite trying to get one to commit. Simple supply and demand issue. So most women have no choice but to go the control route, including trying to control an "alpha" but thru generally have to settle for controlling a "beta" instead
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
For women, happiness is on the other side of ego (letting go vs. trying to control).
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
I fully 100% agree. Control and leading is a masculine endeavor. Allowing oneself to be led in a care free childlike bliss is a feminine compatible state of being. You relax and maintain your relationship with supportive role behaviors.
Most women will never see that light though and instead bitch about how independent they are how much men are "intimidated" by their "value"
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
at least those girls that "bitch about how independent they are" are walking red flags. Easy to spot.
Here we got the insidious type of control freak. Outwardly feminine, nasty at the core.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Those ones are the worst. Luckily they typically have some other red flags that correlate with that kind of insidious control but it can be hard to spot in time
MrSupreme 1mo ago
Cut the alpha-beta crap, it's for some reference although lately it seems it's useful for nothing.
-Women avoid men they don't wanna fuck,although they make great orbiters.And they also avoid guys who they think are too much for them.They love when they guy seems good for her,a bit difficult but not too much.Thats why chicks on the uglier side don't respond well to the same strategy for better looking girls.You gotta be calibrating, sometimes less teasing/negging and more funny/kind works.
-Shame them into becoming betas,I don't think so.Theyre probably shit testing them,testing their frames.Although blue-hair feminist supercunts and particularly mean girls will make a habit out of getting guys to jump hoop after hoop endlessly, avoid falling for that.
-Have short term flings with them. So what lol, maybe you're looking for a LTR or marrying one and you're getting some anger phase because of the state of the sex market where you live, watch out for that.
How is it in my part of the world you ask. I live in a place that's pretty much one of the worse countries In the region to live right now.The girls get more desperate the worse the economy gets,meaning they're only scouting for the guy with the money, they don't care much about looks or game.The hotter they are,the more expensive they get. There's some "normal" girls around and they react rather nice to being approached,but even among the not so good looking ones there's a bunch lookiing for the resource guy, particularly if they have kids,Wich is a lot of women.Love is kind of nonexistent, there's few people who look truly happy, specially women,they're kinda soulless. I've been to other countries and the difference is abysmal.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
yeah, some girls "break" easier than others. While others, you have to go hard on the negging, even sometimes being outright mean.
it's part testing, but also part establishing their frame. Which is the gynocentric frame where men are expected to be chivalrous, selfless and sexless.
yes. I've recently given up on looking for an LTR. It seems that women prefer getting freaky with me in the car on a first date and then avoid me (or some forms of that). As for the ones that stick longer, relationship talk turns them off and they try to get me angry so I go back to being mean to them, which gets them horny again. It's as if in their heads there are only 2 modes: "mean jerk that fucks me" and "sweet idiot I can use and give nothing to".