Seriously considering banning posts in which the only substance of the post question is a trivial "should i?" premise.
"Should i text this girl?"
"Should I ask this girl out?"
"Should I approach this girl?"
"Should i fuck this girl that doesn't make peepee big?"
"Should i fuck this girl?" posts with zero indication she even wants to fuck
Seriously, fucks sake you guys don't need internet stranger's permission to talk to a girl or to send a text or get the tingling sensation in your dick satisfied. How much scarcity do some of you boys have to have where you think it's the end of the world if you make up your own decision and get a rejection/uncomfortable reaction at the worst?
Deal with it. You win some, you lose some, you learn some sometimes. You guys don't need the resources of the front page deciding banal decisions for you on trivial matters. Especially if you've read the sidebar, which a lot of you spergs probably didn't.
Srsly, getting really tired of seeing banal questions. There or more serious "should i?" questions in the world to ask:
"Should i commit to this girl I've been seriously dating for 5 months? here are my reservations "
"Should I end my 3 year relationship?"
"Should I leave my wife? (we have 2 kids)"
"Father is dying but I hate him for how he raised me. Should I make peace with him?"
Edit: sounds like this post needs an edit. There are other places on the site to post trivial "should i?" questions that don't abuse the AskTRP space as an excuse to achieve total dependency on what internet strangers think. Solely talking about abusing an official forums space for trivial questions.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
I finally finished reading through all of this thread yesterday.
MRP implemented something for askMRP years ago, which while their way goes a bit too far, is a decent idea.
Maybe instead of on any question, even your first one ever, having a questionnaire to fill out as to which sidebar reading you've done so far and what your 1RM is in each of the big 3 lifts, allow newbies to get away with it once, and have some kind of boilerplate reply along the lines of:
Anyone concerned about "muh censorship" doesn't really know what that is or how forums work. If I ran a forum dedicated to recipes using cilantro, I wouldn't allow posts from idiots who just wanted to whine "cilantro tastes like soap!" or posts talking about the latest episode of Keeping Up With The Kardashians. Freedom of speech isn't getting to say anything, anytime, anywhere; it's being able to have a venue for what you want to say. If you can't find a venue/platform for what you want to say, either make one or revise the quality of it such that some platform allows it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Maybe we could figure out some way to implement this. I have less control over what becomes a post than for example reddit where I could program post prompts.
The question becomes what do I do if a post fails to include one and there are already 10 comments on it by the time I see it? Do i delete it? So some people would be held to the standard depending on how fast I see and it and others wouldn't.
It's dicey. In such case I'd just have to issue a warning. What makes it difficult is I have to make up instructions where built-in functionality would curtail it otherwise and i don't have that functionality to pre-emptively employ before they smack "post" or apply the rule fairly and evenly
Devember 4mo ago
You can proceed with materializing the warning on a poster, without taking an action on the post. The contributors stay unpunished while the OP is.
The tangible rules makes for an easier and less skewed moderation. The slippery slope is a reality for anyone even with the best intentios.
Even if you dont wanna ban, then there should be a clear indication, they the poster doesn't plan to put any affort.
Someone was saying that sometimes ppl have an urgent need to fix something NOW. True I posted here with this kind of urgency.
People think about the forum only. Thats ok, but having no moderation or burned out one will suck and if they do not plan to chip in, then the moderation has to think how to protext themselves.
seekinghelp4 4mo ago
No censorship please. Maintain asktrp
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Quality control does not equal censorship. By that standard we have extreme censorship on here as is. Have you seen the posting standards on TheRedPill forum?
whytehorse2021 4mo ago
It's a slippery slope... I just skip past those questions.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
Should I have gin or rum tonight?
It was a hot day. Both can be refreshing.
I can make gin tonics with lime and/or lemon.
Or I can make dark and stormies (spiced rum, ginger ale, lime).
I can't decide. Internet, you decide for me.
But I reserve the right to go against what all of you say, and still blame you for not getting the outcome I want.
benzino 4mo ago
I'm against all kinds of banning. It's a slippery slope before we turn into reddit.
The downvotes are there for a reason. What you need to do is to have votes actually affect the visibility of posts. The lower the votes, the less likely people will see it.
It's much better that than arbitrary banning something a newbie who just found RP might post. It feels like we're gatekeeping something that's not even ours
Durek_The_Bald 4mo ago
In principle, I'm absolutely onboard with your points of view there. However, in a pragmatic sense, I just don't see it working (at least not yet).
The voting system is usually in the -3 to +3 range. So that means we're, what, maybe 5-6 guys actively up-voting and down-voting posts on here? And even when we do down-vote, what are the down-voted posts supposed to be buried in? More loser posts we just haven't gotten around to down-vote yet?
(By "loser posts", I mean posts that demonstrate that whoever wrote it hasn't read the bare minimum - which is ok once , but not repeatedly).
We need some quality control of the active user base here, lest we want to remain primarily an incel forum. And I'm not even saying the bar needs to be high. I'm not saying you need to be ripped or jacked, get laid left and right, or anything like that. But users need to demonstrate they're willing to do the bare minimum of work before they can become active users, and take up a lot of space, time and attention.
I think there's a sweat spot somewhere, where the user base is large enough that what you and I both want in principle can work - but not so large that it becomes normie central either. I think currently, the user base here is just too small. And as long as that's the case, we want to make sure that this place doesn't scare away potential quality (or at least relevant) posters due to what they're associating themselves with (inceldom and legit retardedness) by being here.
I'm also a big believer in "practicing what you preach". I think it's important that this site does just that. And conceding so much space and attention to guys who might just have an IQ of 85, or are just too lazy to get going on the sidebar, is pretty much an antithesis to TRP. It is literally giving away one's time and attention (the most precious thing we have as men) for cheap.
In addition to that, it sets the bar too low. It's not that I care about the look of this place to the outside world - I really couldn't care less about that. But I'm thinking in terms of the internal processes of each and everyone of us here.
Loserdom is infectious in the sense that it sets a low bar of "success", and make people go: "Well, I can't be doing that bad, judging from the other people here". And that should never be the take-away from a site that claims to be "red pill". The general take-away should be: "Holy shit, I need to get to work!"
Hopefully, in the future, the user base of this place will be large enough that it can be policed by the internal justice of the user base itself. But until then, the user base can't be grown on the foundation of inceldom and retardedness. That just won't lead anywhere good.
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
I see what you are saying, and partially agree.
Perhaps it would work better if we gave Admins, Junior and Senior Analysts a 3x rating, so that everytime they downvoted a sperg, it counted as 3 down votes.
@admin - would that be something easy enough to code in?
That way, if we stayed vigilant, we could downvote to hell the retardation that seems to keep coming back like Japanese knotweed.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
@ "admin" doesn't tag me (or any of them) if that's what you intended.
That user profile actually isn't even an admin. It has zero admin privs.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
Firstly and mainly, I doubt there's a good way to implement that in the site's coding.
Secondly, Junior Hamster Analyst and Senior Hamster Analyst at flairs at WAATGM, and don't necessarily have anything to do with any other tribe or forum (including TRP and askTRP). Similarly, the point flairs here at TRP and askTRP don't have any effect on getting flaired at WAATGM. While RPS was kind enough to play host for WAATGM, we are still a separate entity, albeit one with a lot of membership crossover. He made similar offers to /r/MarriedRedPill and /r/MGTOW (before their ban from reddit), but they declined.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
You could do it for admins, unlikely for any other flairs which are just that, flairs and not actually code value. Admins have code values. My account status has a code but my flair itself for example is i think just words on a screen
It would be impractical as well @Lone_Ranger and not completely objective. I wouldn't want additional voting power.
The bigger problem is people that don't vote. A lot of people neither upvote nor downvote even when they hate or love a post or comment
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
great response. I love throwing in some downvotes and simply tell them them that they are retards.
Also, I think more focus on Sperg of the Month awards would help.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
I've really neglected that tribe this past year.
I'll try to get it going again.
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
I nominate you for neglecting the tribe.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
Cry me a river!
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
I didn't say banning users i said banning certian kinds of posts. As in, the second i see a retarded "should i?" Question remove the post immediately
This isn't even gatekeeping, this is stopping newbies from asking retarded spoon feeding questions, which they use as a buffer for developing any kind of independent thoughts or autonomy
Wut? Who do you think made TheRedPill? These ideas did come from our sub. They were centralized in our sub. They did not exist elsewhere. This makes no sense we did originate just about all of this information it wasn't even spoken about much prior to us
benzino 4mo ago
what I meant is these knowledge are shared, made by the community and for the community. Older members sharing what they know to absolute beginners.
Gatekeeping in the sense of "no stupid questions allowed" - I think everybody starts somewhere and especially for someone who just stepped out of the BP world and maybe even a bit of a sperg, it is to be expected from him. He needs help, either through actual advices, or a good dose of tough, honest love.
I am an advocate for free speech and that includes stupid questions, which will likely be ridiculed. It's how we learn to be better.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
People ask stupid questions here all the time..what makes other stupid questions more acceptable is that it is not asking us to make a basic coin toss for them.
Newbies are neutering themselves with stupid "should i?" Questiond and then ignoring the answers anyway
Also, you do realize people can post those questions in the hub right????? Banning it from asktrp isn't censorship, it's asking them to post their stupid shit somewhere less formal and abusive
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
I also disagree that quality standards = lack of free speech. Why would anyone tolerate a space with zero quality control?
benzino 4mo ago
I'd go with quality control by the community rather than by admins (no offense to you of course, I know you give good advice), it's just a matter of principles.
It's like the problem with social media fact-checkers, whom Musk replaced with a community notes model. It's bad to place the power of censorship on a single party, whether that is AI or people.
I support the right to be stupid and ridiculed, I don't support hand holding and requiring posts need to meet some sort of requirement. Perhaps you can separate that into different subs, such as Serious AskTRP, and an offtopic sub where everything goes.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Why? It already exists, you can post as much dumb shit as you want in the hub as is?
AskTRP also has riles already,which these stupid questions reasonably violate
More than likely i just going to make users post their should i questions in https://www.trp.red/feed/t/asktrp which I'd less formal
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
And most reputable users are tired of the crap should i questions. They are already downvoted and it's ruining a lot of users exprience
benzino 4mo ago
yeah it's one of the problems I have with the forums, it's a bit confusing and hard to navigate. I don't even know the hub works lol. I login and it takes me to one site, when I ask a question, it goes to another site, when I click on notifications, it logs me out and redirects me to another one.
I'd say if you have a dedicated place for stupid questions then it'll be the best solution. If AskTRP already has these rules then you just have to enforce them.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Yeah i understand that and we're not swimming in bucks to fix it
It's a known issue but stupid questions are pushing away our most knowledgeable users
Wintergreen 4mo ago
You have asked if you should bang girls before. Although it wasn’t on the forums, it was in discord so it stands to reason that these questions are valid and common. Perhaps users should be directed to the main discord server for these questions to avoid making posts about them.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
I've privately debated pros and cons of banging certain women knowing it might be a problem at my dance venue.
A private, casually mentioned conversation is not tantamount to spamming the front page with these questions. The same users post dozens of should I questions and it is not appropriate for the forum front page. This isn't a space to publicly inquire about every minor decision a man wants to make, which is the main issue
The same users do it REPEATEDLY for EVERYTHING
Wintergreen 4mo ago
Yeah, that’s why they should be directed to the main discord server to ask questions that don’t merit a post. They probably have nobody to talk to in private about these things.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
I understand the sympathy of that, because that must suck. It's just clogging the forum space and it is anti RedPill to be able to make zero decisions for yourself.
It's one thing to casually ask it's another to need to hit AskTRP every time one has to make a minor decision. The bigger problem is that it is usually from men with almost no xp who would actually just benefit from taking action
Wintergreen 4mo ago
I agree. And in reality they would just be dogpiled in the discord for asking those questions anyway after the first time or so, so it’s best for them to find some friends here or in real life who they can talk to.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Yes. Probably just going to make users post stupid and banal AskTRPs in the dot reds AskTRP, which isn't as serious as the forum space.
Some of these questions belong in the public square, not the forums page
Musicgoon78 2 4mo ago
As much as I despise the "should I" posts, I think that it's important to show stupidity and how to correct it. In this case, develop a protocol for this type of question.
You can auto ban posts, but all that means is more work for mods. And it doesn't stop more and newer retards from making these types of posts. It just reduces visibility.
The more I've thought about this, the more I think that a generic answer would suffice.
This is a question that is subjective and personal. The best answer for your question will come from you making your own decisions. Being decisive is a necessary skill. Feel free to ask us questions after You've made your own decision and taken action.
Some of these guys want attention. Just like children or women, you don't want to reward bad behavior. So we as the ones that respond, fire a warning shot. Everyone can paraphrase the last paragraph in bold.
The OP doesn't get rewarded with attention. Instead he gets a locked thread with only one answer: Make your own decisions.
JamesSkepp Moderator 4mo ago
What is a trivial question for us might be a very serious decision for a someone new to dating.
I get you, I really do. This is why (way to hastily) tried to implement a rule that required people posting questions to propose their own solution based on their reading of the sidebars (on the surface it seems a great opportunity to learn). But as it turned out, not even one poster did that. I also strongly suspect people don't read the sidebar until after their posted concerns are resolved in real life when they have the freed mental/emotional capacity to read a post that talk about how TRP will solve their dating problems a year from now if they stick to it.
This happens b/c the need to solve the basic question like "should I ask her out?" is so urgent in their mind that this urgency prevents them from seeing the big picture. Sort of a dating "fight or flight".
Banning people/posts for not following my rule (read the sidebar and propose a solution based on that first) would be banning for not being able to detach from the urgency of the moment. Banning for trivial question would be banning even earlier than this. In both cases we would be teaching guys that its not worth posting here - most of them would not understand the triviality of "should I text her now or tomorrow?" and go read the sidebar first to understand the entirety of TRP theory.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
This is why I ask the community (experienced, mod, newbie) what they think before weighing final decisions or how final decisions might look).
I do understand the newbie's point of view. I was once the newb that sweated bullets before texting a girl. I don't want to immediately penalize them or insta delete. I don't even mind seeing such questions but when it's the same asshole asking 50 questions it's like "what the fuck are you doing here?" Being totally dependent of everyone for everything indicates a clear non-commitment to red pill readings and principles
Often time after wasting hours on these users find out through interview or post content that they are desperately clinging to blue pill ideals, follow "ex-redpill" on their reddit page, follow retards like Casey Zander etc. they don't want to commit to learning RP they just want Yahoo! Answers from guys that fuck.
The main struggle is where does sympathy for their plight end and maintenance of TheRedPill goals and objectives and sit structure prevail?
I understand the good faith user that is struggling and asks 1-2 dumb questions before actually reading the sidebar. I understand the guy who "doesn't get it" and was lucky enough to find TRP at his low point. I get it.
It's just how do you balance the guys who don't want to try with the enjoyment of guys that "get it" on here trying their hardest to actually help for nothing?
I remember this and it is STILL stickied (albeit in utter vain). Hence why this requires a more aggressive approach.
How aggressive is the question. I don't want to shit all over newbs but also don't want to be a Yahoo! Questions sewer either.
Einsamer 4mo ago
Optimally it should be locked with a reference to the sidebar. That is transparent for everyone and makes it less of a time waste without having to straight delete it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
We can't "lock" posts here
@redpillschool, how difficult would it be for the dev to add a basic reddit "lock" feature where mods can still comment?
redpillschool Admin 4mo ago
That's weird. It's built into the code. No interface for it? We can fix that
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
I would absolutely love that feature as well.
CC: @moorekom, @lurkerhasarisen, @woodsmoke, @Impressive-Cricket-8
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Posts auto lock at 1 month or so on posts. I have no ability to manually lock them.
Durek_The_Bald 4mo ago
I'm torn.
Ideally, the voting system would take care of it, but I think the user base is too small for it to work. Votes are usually in the -3 to +3 range. Also, there isn't enough activity on forums.red for poor posts to get buried by good (or at least relevant) posts.
It is a problem though, no doubt about it. The vast majority of posts on forums.red are either victim pukes, or askhole behaviour from a (small?) collection of repeat offenders, who absolutely refuse to read the sidebar and recommended literature.
I'm in favor of a "one allowed, then one strike, next you're out" sort of policy with regards to both victim pukes and askole behavior. New users need to be given one chance. But if they demonstrate an unwillingness to do any kind of work (like reading the sidebar), there's nothing anyone here can do for them anyways, and so they should be permabanned.
There's also the issue of "you are who you associate with". And currently, associating with this place means associating with losers 90% of the time. I suspect this is an important reason why we've lost some quality posters over time - because someone who've internalised the red pill is likely to just leave without making a fuss about it (which is the proper way to deal with time wasters).
Even this thread sort of demonstrates the problem of giving too much time and attention to lazy losers who just don't have the cognitive capacity to do the bare minimum of work. Because, once again, we're talking about it. Once again, we're giving it attention. Suddenly there's a bit of activity and discussion going on here, only because we're talking about these lost causes again. And that is the infectiousness of loserdom.
Still think the sidebar should be more visible though. Also sticky some classic posts from the TRP heydays. I thought the revisiting of old posts you had going was a good effort in that regard. After all, everything TRP has pretty much already been said before. There really isn't much new to bring to the table when it comes to the basic stuff.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
This is what I'm thinking. This is pretty nuanced
A lot of us were "that guy" who as @JamesSkepp aptly pointed out where some trivial banal horseshit like wondering if they should shoot their shot or not really was a monumental deal in the urgency of the moment
At the same time this isn't reddit where you can hit extreme negative karma (well reddit doesn't show below zero anyway) but there usually isn't enough earth shattering down voting on here to make a community stance as you point out to really make.it known how badly a newb might be unwanted after a few rounds
The general problem I am confronted with is lack of some basic "redditesque" tools like temp ban and lock post. So it's usually an all or nothing type deal. I have to either axe them from the AskTRP entirely or site ban if they are truly insufferable @ testme @ nubias
I would like minorly punitive tools @redpillschool for people that need an example, maybe even having new registrations get directly linked to the sidebar link @redpillschool with some kind of disclaimer when they first reg
It is a touchy subject but at this point I'm thinking the one strike read the F'ing sidebar and don't do it again for trivial shit and/or having them actually have to take our advice would be the best bet, because it is so nuanced. Some guys are genuinely just that socially uncalibrated.
I'm thinking offending twice maybe having to have them post in the AskTRP on the dot reds, which again is muddy And shitty without a temp ban mechanism. Otherwise I have to do it manually which is muddy and prone to forgetfulness etc.
I'm not for full banning etc it's just a pain to cater to every newbs needs while simultaneously not trying to piss off people actually trying to help ya know. I like your approach and this is probably what I'll go with whilst reviewing the other options.
The current near unlimited chances is just unsustainable and no one wants to see it on repeat
Durek_The_Bald 4mo ago
I don't know the ins and outs of what you can do as a moderator here, but I believe your account of it.
Don't know if this is even doable, but I suggest a sort of "purgatory" for new users. That would be the only place they're allowed to posts until having received X amount of points from an admin or moderator.
I'm on a football forum that has a system like that, and it seems to be working quite well. They have an own forum for new users, which you actively have to visit, and which doesn't show up on the front page unless you're actively subscribing to it.
Every now and then, the admins and mods have a look, and hand out points to new users who post relevant, thought-out stuff, or get good discussions going.
This is to prevent people who don't watch football taking part in a football forum - which is kind of the same as people who don't read (and much less practice) TRP material poisoning a TRP forum.
It took me about 6 months of posting in the newbie section before being allowed anywhere else (besides just reading).
That would also take care of the problem of users just switching to a new profile to get around bans, seeing as that means starting from scratch again.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Appreciated, as i am being completely transparent which tools i do not possess.
This is potentially possible but would require an entirely new admin tool where we'd have to manually look at every new users posts and manually screen it. What if they post 20 posts? That's 20 posts across anywhere in the site (satire, WAATGM, memes, hub, etc) that I'd potentially have to squander monitoring. And some of these places are essentially just casual Twitter chat
There is also no general karma feature. A post might display -20 votes but that is not reflected in some grand master calculator. A user could have -20,000 votes and it doesn't register. It's only per post, there is no scorecard, automatically or manually.
Keep in mind also, this site operates entirely on tribes. This forum is merely a forum version of a tribe. It also has a dot reds tribe. It is currently set to "subscribers" can post. Meaning anyone. I would have to whitelist People or give invites manually or accept requests if it was set to anything else.
I think that is overlooked. I could for example make my satire tribe contributor only or higher and it is not. Every tribe owner (or tribe mod) can set their own level of invites or whitelisting and the feature you are describing is totally separate from the existing infrastructure for literally all posting locations on the site. Even the hub is a tribe, it just so happens to be that's where the dot reds url takes you for the "what's hot" default, but it is nonetheless a public open tribe where anyone can merely type into it unless banned form that tribe specifically
Elsewise admins can site ban, which means you cannot post anywhere at all, even if you are privately in some tribe I don't even know exists in the first place (private tribes exist and i wouldn't know they do because i can't see the full tribe list).
Meaning, short of leapfrogging the site structure, some kind of arbitrary or even calculated karma whitelist is impossible.
Further you have people i redirect from r/TheRedPill. They break the "no personal advice questions" rule over there, i delete their post and they come here as instructed for AskTRP. Now they have to go through whitelisting? It would be impractical especially because i have to mod TWO places that are intertwined, not just one.
Hence a strict welcome message with sidebar attached and some clear rules for key locations such as AskTRP might be the best route. Everything else is a total site rework with non-existent tools and is against the current site infrastructure
I like the idea but it is impractical for a number of reasons as listed above. What if someone wanted to say "let's go Brandon" in 'the dark winter'
What's the whitelist process for that? I like the idea but the site is so diverse in functionality that you'd have to nuke many of the basic navigation and posting perms unless it was somehow isolated to tribes that I'm already instructing people to immediately post in from the reddit
I see the idea and the point but what i have to go by is the existing infrastructure. Hence having to resort to behavioral modification over set site tools
Edit: for example i suppose it might be possible to specifically program AskTRP to behave a certain way, since it is the biggest hotspot for problem.
Durek_The_Bald 4mo ago
I'm not a very tech/IT savvy person, so a lot of what you're describing there...it sort of hurts my brain just trying to understand it lol.
But it sounds to me like the basic infrastructure of the place is too complicated. Although it's a cool idea (and very TRP themed) to build everything on tribes, it sounds like something that would be more fitting of a significantly larger user base.
Like I said, I'm ignorant when it comes to this sort of thing. But I just don't understand why it can't be, say, maybe 4 things: forums.red, trp.red, newbie central (purgatory), and whereareallthegoodmen (since they've got their own thing going, and apparently quite successfully so).
I don't understand the whole "tribe" thing.
Oh, and one more thing: I know I was in favour of integrating forums.red with TRP.red when we had that discussion. I thought it would bring more quality from TRP.red over to forums.red. But it seems it had the opposite effect; bringing shit from forums.red over to TRP.red. So I'm revising my position on that, and think it would be best to go back to how it was.
Seems we've lost @Whisper since then, which is a damn shame.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
I can't speak to the initial discussion. I was awol after the Nuke on reddit and rejoined 3 years later (ironically enough for an AskTRP i had at the time)
I do agree the navigation needs to be accompanied by some brief message indicating the difference upon joining the site for the first time @redpillschool
The forums clearly acts as a reddit clone but i can see where a lot of confusion comes in for immediate regs and perhaps for new regs forums red and AskTRP should be prioritized because that is likely what people are looking for upon first joining.
I think the site has a dot reds bias over the forums for site interface which can be confusing
Durek_The_Bald 4mo ago
No, I mean the recent change, where new posts on forums.red also show up on trp.red under the "new" section. You and I and a bunch of others had a bit of a back and forth about it on TRP.red before it happened, only a few months back.
But as it turns out, it's made the "new" section on TRP.red into a bit of a mess. And now everyone's starring their own posts on TRP.red, probably for visibility in the "hot" section. Probably a sign that people are avoiding the "new" section now.
If I remember correctly, @Typo-MAGAshiv wasn't a big fan of the change. And I have to say, I've come to agree with him. I thought it would bring more quality in one direction, but turns out it brought more shit in the other direction.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
I truly tried to be open-minded about it at first, but askTRP forums stuff was burying things at trp.red that I'd have liked to see.
@MentORPHEUS had similar complaints.
Threads:
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/199304
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/199391
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/199460
The OG feed that @redpillschool implemented solved that. I can keep my trp.red experience separate from my forums.red experience, which is how I like it. I can also completely skip askTRP if WAATGM has stuff going on and I'm short on time.
Though I have seen better stuff on askTRP lately.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
I star my own posts because it's funny. This was a thing going back well before the change. Titus and typo were already doing it and i started doing it before the change because it's a knock on assholes liking their own Facebook posts and i laugh every time i star my own posts no matter how stupid they are.
I don't use the new feed. I use the OG feed. As you pointed out, i also had my critiques of the new feed and still do. It has some utility for people who normally don't use the forums seeing forums posts. My critiques were publicly available and still are. My user behavior on that side of the site reflects my critiques as does my loyalty to to the og feed.
Just understand it isn't a malice/incompetence thing we are hosting our own site and i always advocate for navigation fixes.
We have had far bigger priorities like staving ddos and even having a provider at all than dumping resources into navigation. We're not exactly drowning in funds
Most of my tags on this post have been for navigation development
Durek_The_Bald 4mo ago
I see. Didn't catch on to that.
I get that.
redpillschool Admin 4mo ago
@Vermillion-Rx and @Durek_The_Bald
I read this exchange and I'm taking notes. I'm not 100% with our latest feed changes so some tweaks are still necessary. We don't intend on ever removing the OG feed (But we are renaming it to sort by date for simplicity).
We have some big plans for the near future, but lately I've been pulled off on real life work. We'll implement soonish. It greatly simplifies what the tribes / chat / forums are all about and reduces the extra links in the sidebar.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
It influences the feed on new but not on OG. But i can see the criticism. But yes that's not why i do it.
I will keep pushing for nav fixes. That is my # 1 priority for site features
Devember 4mo ago
JamesSkeep's Durek's +1
This.
I have also proposed to introduce standard protocol for asking a question.
First Post's window should be pre-fed with questionnaire.
This SHOULD be lengthy but simple. One simply cant have a plan to improve if one doesnt want to invest 5-10min to answer simple questions that also enable other user not to waste time asking them.
Trolls will get bored fatser to make up shit.
Person that really caress about improvement will have to pass this gatekeeping.
We test ppl for an intent and investment. Let them tell on themselves, rather than actioning not sustainable hand removal of the posts.
Having the answers to the questions, not only will improve a quality of an advise, but we will also be able to see the patterns happening in the wild Much better, increasing a quality of the notes as the time and the world progresses.
OP's investment in written word will be a clear indicator of how strong the will is.
PeOpie will often disregard important details, take for example personal hygiene, you would think that every guy cleans his dick and asshole before hitting chICk, well we all know this is not the case. Guiding starts with signalling what are important information, that the op needs to provide on compulsory or voluntary basis.
Minimal poster's investment and huge response, feeds narcissists coming only for a validation. Arguably NARC wont contribute to the questionnaire .
Draft:
Age (bracket)
Town size (shithole,50k, 200k, 500k, 500k+)
Country/state
Length of each relationship in question
How long/often do you have sex in general
How long/often do you have sex with a woman in question
How many women did you have sex within the last year
Do you live on your own
Do you have a car
Do you earn enough money to pay your own basic bills + 20%
How many times per week in a gym
What kind of activity in the gym (heavy, cardio)
Did you ever check your T level, outcome bracket
Do you have friends (male female)
Did you read sidebar (which)
Do you watch any TRP channel, which
What is the 3rd iron rule about, give the examples, write an essay 1000 words minimum.
Devember 4mo ago
bug
Combination of , and < without a space causes any text following it to be lost.
I used < in front of 50 and other numbers in previous post, all the text disappeared after a coma.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
All good man shit happens i understood the intended direction of your message
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Unfortunately with how diverse the site is this is possible on probably just AskTRP but impractical given where newbs usually post
There SHOULD be a welcome message with critical information @redpillschool and probably some prioritization to improvements to our navigation infrastructure, considering most incomers are probably seeking AskTRP in many cases.
Navigation is the #1 site complaint.
The problem is it would kill engagement. One of our main appeals is user anonymity on a sensitive website. A clear and direct welcome message with a sidebar link and rules for AskTRP and TheRedPill would probably suffice.
I do think there should be some kind of welcome message making it more clear that this is not a free for all for total dependency and retardation
Devember 4mo ago
Message will liely work as good as the other cookie warning annoyances.
Off I get anonymity point that I have expected someone will bring up... there is many annoying questions that can increase investment without REQUIRING to aswer to more sensitive questions.
I would still leave more personal Q and give a freedom to answer.
Im sure MRP did that.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
I can't speak to MRP, I'm sure rps might have some mod access there but that is so far removed from anything I've ever touched that i can't vouch. I've never been a member of it nor even messaged their mods before
Should be programmable and probably is going to have to be a necessity. Even if just for AskTRP. A lot of this comes down to programming over any actual rules
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
LMAO no.
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/167207
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/82270
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/149925
Tag @redpillschool
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Oh. Lmao i forgot about those
Devember 4mo ago
I agree that you can programm many things into the website. Prefilled posting window tho is super easy and takes, say 5 min (very basic webs I did took so much) . I look at the lowest entry cost for an improvement, seeing that the other changes are rather slow, I manage the expectations.
Other way would be to block replies and send automod message with questionnaire that would auto unblock thread after any reply.
Generally burden of performance should be on the poster rather than mods, admins and exp users.
They should automod themselves out.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
We don't have an automod. That's another feature reddit has that we don't. I suppose spam filter is to a degree similar but has zero integrations with notifications and does not behave the same way
Devember 4mo ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/4z84w5/posting_quality_guide_for_rmarriedredpill/
spartanblood1 4mo ago
No ban, I like this freedom of speech, after all, this sub is to ask questions.
Silly ones or not, we teach 1 person at a time
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Look I'm not swayed by the "freedom of speech" argument. This has been negotiated to death on here. You do not, for example, have the freedom to encite violence or glorify it one here.
This has been litigated to death, no one has the right to reduce the quality of the site such that it pisses everyone off. I've banned countless of users for being total retards that pissed everyone off endlessly.
"Free speech" is absolutely meaningless with no quality control. Women for example aren't allowed to post in AskTRP or TheRedPill but can elsewhere here. Is that a restriction of free speech. Sure. But the site has an objective. If you do not share the objective to become a red pill man do you get to babble stupidity till the end of time and waste everyone's time in the process? No.
At some point, as an inexperienced user (not you I'm speaking in general) you have to get with the program or find a community designed for meaningless validation of time wasting victim puke and askhole questions
First-light 4mo ago
I think you highlight a problem but I am wary of banning anyone unless they really won't learn and won't behave sociably.
The problem is with most of the posters, rather than the posts. These guys don't get a lot of things about how people relate. This means one wants to help them ...if they would just listen and behave more sociably.
Finding some systematic approach to help them to see what is reasonable would be good. -Advising, then warning them that they must change if they persist, then temporarily banning them, then banning them would be most ideal I think.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
Banning *certain posts* not people who make the posts. Particularly such posts that are repeated abused here in AskTRP specifically
This is what i am referring to, however, it is the utterly banal "should i?" posts that are the most massive behavioral gateway enabling for askhole behavior on here. Again, as you pointed out, at the user level and not the posting level. Which is what the banning of such posts are intended to curtail.
If, for example, such askholes were not allowed to have their banal yes no questions stay up, especially those that schew the basic side bar teachings, would they still go on to post even dumber shit? Probably not. They are abusing low hanging questions to answer their dumb shit, because they are not thinking critically enough to do anything else.
The idea is that taking their mouth of the teet of repeatedly asking stupid yes no shit would make them actually have to put in the work and think for themselves. Notice how I'm not thinking about banning other kinds of questions, just the low effort yes/no should i horseshit that enables so much of askholes behavior on here.
Well yeah. They'd get a warning I'm just sick of telling the same askholes the same shit. 1-2 warnings max depending on context/reasons for posting but them constantly asking helps no one, not even themselves, because they are starving themselves of independent development
First-light 4mo ago
I think a simple system that the more aspergers challenged can work with will help. I think Apergers may be the biggest problem with most of these guys -both with their posts and with their interactions with women. They probably know they have some autistic issues but they don't use that knowledge to moderate their impulses and behaviour to work their weaknesses to be more social. Instead they come here looking for a system to make women put out and sperg out in their posts. This means they will benefit from external moderation for their own good, for the good of the community and for the outward image of the community.
They would probably benefit form a hard system of rules -i.e. An informal warning in which you are told its three strikes and you are out, this is strike 1. A formal public warning that you will be suspended if you do it again A suspension of standard duration -say 2 weeks after which you are forgiven and get a fresh sheet
Those who really don't seem to learn then need permanent banning -just as girls will block these guys' numbers. Perhaps 2 suspensions and then the third time a permanent ban?
We do need to cultivate freedom of speech, we do need to act as a community to support our more challenged members but we also do need to expect adult male behaviour -self regulated and with some regard to your fellow men. I think setting out a system may help the more challenged.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
I need temp ban ability to do this otherwise I'm just marking in my calendar when to inna these dudes. I could do it manually it's just a pain but maybe i have to.
I don't think 90% of these guys have Asperger's. I think most of their problem is their refusal to make friends. Most of them opt to make any friends (male and female) or have friends that are not conductive to developing sufficient social skills (i.e. other losers that only talk about loser things) and then try to learn trp wizard game and predictably it doesn't work
Then they keep looking for game instruction when it's a futile endeavor. Without requisite social skills they are fucked and no perfect game lines or anything makes you for it.
I wish these spergs would just acquire friends but most refuse. Helping them becomes a time sink of their own making.
But yes there needs to be a strike system, i am tired of kindheartedly giving out endless chances for zero progress spergs. There is one guy on here for example with something like 200 posts before he even saw a tiddy. I'm tired of it
Boosted_Arrow 4mo ago
I agree with benzino. we shouldn't ban or delete anything, that's just not RP. (As long as it fullfills Rule Zero, which these posts still do.)
I'd say making another flair, tribe or whatever with "specific personal situations" makes more sense, so that all that spam gets contained in one place while still being available and the guys being able to receive help.
Also it just leads the community to be gatekept to the guys that are already experts in the theory which will make this page another reddit with spergs that have a superiority complex. Being able to ask stupid questions is also important, every uni-professor of mine says this. And even for sb who's been here a few years I also have pretty basic questions in certain areas, I bet everyone does.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
This isn't what i was getting at with this post
The problem is the same exact user will post "should i xyz" 20 times for different scenarios. They don't ask for clarification of RP principles, they don't ask intricate questions, they don't ask something regarding their personal development.
They ask "should i go to gym? Should i approach x girl that i already failed to approach? Should i text this girl back?" Etc.
Now I'd completely understand if a user periodically asked such questions but there are specific users (4-5 as of late) that have been quite literally assembling the entire front page to help them with a dozen such questions in a row. Why????
Must someone consult AskTRP for EVERYTHING? there comes a point where it such a repeat offense from the same user as to be wtf are you even doing on here to learn RP or improve long term?
I'm not taking about guys that ask àsk for situational consultations here and there, i am talking about repeat offenders who have almost nothing else to ask, perhaps I should have emphasized that in the original post as opposed to leaving it so general
Since getting a lot of comment input about the posters psychology, i am specifically referring to repeat askholes that can't think for themselves
Again. Not talking about stupid questions. There are plenty of other ones to go around. The problem is guys asking 50/50 should i do x stupid thing that most men wouldn't spend two seconds debating, yes or no?"
Those are specifically the questions I'm talking about
Boosted_Arrow 4mo ago
In that case we should just bully the shit out of them.
But yeah, in such extreme cases banning or sth seems appropriate
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
If you notice the first couple of times we don't but then if they are just plain defiant we start bantering on their posts.
If you look at the satire tribe you can see ample examples of posts using recent AskTRPs as inspiration for shit posts that somehow still manage to sound like typical AskTRPs
I want newbs to succeed but there is a point where it's like: "bruh"
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 4mo ago
LOL
It's really difficult to tell the difference sometimes
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
And that's why the satire tribe will never be a forum tribe
No-Stress-Cat 4mo ago
I think they would be better served if moved under a single collective post, or into another section of like Frequently Asked Questions.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
It might take a singular post to link to them that contains all pertinent links and information, will consider this
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
@Vermillion-Rx I have a genuine question - I am very retarded, should I become even more retarded?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4mo ago
This is your 10th time posting this question. Go read the other 9 times people told you how retarded you should be
Durek_The_Bald 4mo ago
Yes.
The worst kind of existence is when you're retarded enough to be retarded, but not retarded enough to be oblivious of the fact that you're retarded. If you find yourself in such a limbo, you must be more retarded.
Watch more Marvel movies, and read The Alternative Red Pill Handbook for Retards:
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/190294
Lone_Ranger 2 4mo ago
Have a look at this for an example of optimum retardation;
https://www.forums.red/p/asktrp/323161/should_i_fuck_a_girl_i_m_not_attracted_to_for_practice_or_sh
OP sounds happy. Probably because he has no idea how retarded he is. So he is sort of in the goldilocks zone of retardation - he is too retarded to realise that he is retarded but he is able to put his shoes on by himself and go for a walk.
He is super brain damaged, but he is able to breath without a ventilator.