I wasn't going to post this but this has happened twice and it's started to piss me off.
So I've a decent amount of bodies but this particular situation which I've once gotten past has stumped me twice.
Essentially the setting is a night club. Me alone and three girls, I approach get familiar with all, get their igs, k-close my target and drunk dance whatever. Then I buy them all drinks (this has gotten me an hb9 b4 by being generous), and we are all vibing. All of a sudden a 4th of the group comes and cockblocks me hard. I try to linger and find someone else but I personally am "loyal to my hoes", retarded I know, and usually end up going alone like tonight. I sometimes manage to pull off the 1v3 but in this case as soon as anyone else joins the group I am cockblocked hard.
What is the solution? I've got their contacts I'm going to try to ask the one I k-closed for drinks a few nights down the road but wtf, is there a way to get past this? I know isolate but it's kinda impossible when shorty really into me but for some reason all 4 of her friends ain't feeling any dudes in the club and she's basically grinding on me alone while all her friends pretend not to notice us lol, I can't even talk to her ear with that pressure.
I apologize, I am currently drunk but this has happened more than once and if anybody has advice I'd much appreciate it.
Lone_Ranger 2 3mo ago Stickied
I can see you problem clear as day:
you are going to club and then acting like a gay bestie for girls. (hanging out and 'being friends', buying them drinks)
When a woman make the effort to get all dolled up and go out, she wants chad, and only chad. When she meets guys the club, she is basically interviewing. And you are failing the interviews. In the mind of any slut, she is screening between beta and alpha.
Recall that women want different men with different roles at different times. In the club, she is looking for the least suitable man, the highest value poon smasher she can find. And you are running around being 'friends' with them.
A venue approach is totally different from a day game approach. You need to let her know right of the bat, in the first 3 seconds, that you are only down for smash. That is what she wants. And there you are buying drinks for the group!
She is thinking - great, he is now our guard dog. He'll sit there and buy drinks and protect us. While we scan the room for actual chads.
MidgetSpinner 3mo ago
Agreed. He is ultimately wasting time. Get to the point quicker and stop buying them drinks. Also, don't get fucked up yourself.
AbusiveFather1 3mo ago
this needs to be pinned or something. this is the answer for most nightclub questions asktrp has
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3mo ago
Damn. Seconded
Lone_Ranger 2 3mo ago
On the bright side, OP can look after their handbags while they go out round the back to suck off chad next to the dumpster. Maybe later he can drive them home?
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 3mo ago
LMAO
Problematic_Browser 1 3mo ago
Jumping through hoops doesn't foster attraction
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3mo ago
Partially agree if 3 girls are that influenced by one drive-by hoe randomly shitting into the encounter, then those three have eliminated themselves as viable. OP should cut the chase before this happens though and not provide free drinks his thumbs are on the scale in counterproductive ways
Musicgoon78 1 3mo ago
Do you really expect to act like a provider guy and gives these girls the tingles? They should be buying you drinks. Don't be the thirsty drink buying chump.
mattyanon Admin 3mo ago
Fucking terrible idea: beta provisioning makes you a beta provider.
Being loyal to someone who isn't loyal to you is beyond dumb.
Less attachment to outcome. Less attachment to these girls.
Ask them all "who are you with?" and "what are your plans later?". This will tell you a lot, as well as setting the scene for more.
good
female group dynamics are notoriously hard because they are loyal to each other and not to you. Often the unpopular one wants to prevent all the others getting men so that she can keep her friends. The only really way to do it is to be friendly with all of them. It's a fucking pain.
yes later
"Let's go outside for some fresh air"
kv3_0833 3mo ago
How do you do block quotes
"Fucking terrible idea: beta provisioning makes you a beta provider."
Is it always a bad thing? I didn't lead with it here, I already made out with who I wanted to, but I'm introverted without alcohol and I figured I'd get them some too. It did get me laid once or maybe that was going to happen regardless.
"Ask them all "who are you with?" and "what are your plans later?". This will tell you a lot, as well as setting the scene for more."
This is probably the thing I've been missing. I've always been reluctant to ask that until near closing time because I always thought it "revealed" my intentions so to speak. If it comes up naturally, would suggesting my place for some plausibly deniable reason early in the night be too desperate?
"female group dynamics are notoriously hard because they are loyal to each other and not to you. Often the unpopular one wants to prevent all the others getting men so that she can keep her friends. The only really way to do it is to be friendly with all of them. It's a fucking pain"
Yeah, I've come to learn that. I've gotten pretty good at integrating into girl groups when going solo (I'm decently attractive so that helps), however more often than not as soon as one of the friends are having a bad night or something I always get cockblocked it's pretty frustrating lol.
"Let's go outside for some fresh air" Yeah I should've done that yesterday but whatever, if she's as into me as I thought she was she'll probably see me for drinks soon
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3mo ago
@mattyanon unsure if you know some sage keyboard wizardry or something but i just format my quoted text like this (no spaces after and > (or >> for secondary quoting) needs to be the first character on the line of text:
First example showing exact text input, second example making it happen
>Text to quote
mattyanon Admin 3mo ago
^ This is a reply. You precede the line with > or >> if you are quoting yourself from your previous post and it was replied to already.
You precede the line with 4 spaces to get a block quote.
You got laid despite your beta behavior, but it counts against you.
Let's say you meet a girl for a coffee....... sure, buy her a coffee. Incidentals don't count.
Meeting a load of girls in a bar and drinks all round? No, this is absolutely terrible.
Alpha fucks, beta bucks. Remember that?
Do it early. Do it in the first few sentences. It's a very natural thing to ask. It helps clarify options all round, and it gives you a lot more information than it reveals.
Right. Don't integrate into groups. Give them a great time.... then talk to other groups and give THEM a great time. Get them all competing for you. Be the popular guy. Be unattached. Be in demand. Don't decide early on any girl....... the problem is that you are accepted by these groups, but they aren't planning to fuck you. You become the "buy us drinks and look after our belongings while we dance" guy. A pet.
Don't be that guy..... you don't owe these girls anything. Make them jealous. Be popular. Be the guy that all the girls in the club want. Give them a great time, give ALL the girls a great time. Being in demand, having clear options and social proof will make isolation a TONNE easier.,
Sure...... it's just a line that can help sometimes.
No-Stress-Cat 3mo ago
Best way around a cockblocker is to just ignore their cockblocking. Be nice, after all this chick is your target's friend.
Me to Target: Hi there!
Cockblocker: She has a boyfriend!
Me to Cockblocker: Hi, nice to meet you.
Me to Target: So, what's your name?
Cockbocker: I said she has a boyfriend.
Me to Cockblocker: Thank you very much.
Me to Target: My name's Cat, nice to meet you.
Blah blah blah blah blah
whytehorse2021 3mo ago
Women(often ones with boyfriends) go to clubs for free drinks and male validation. They got what they wanted from you so you are no longer of any use. The cockblocker is the designated driver so doesn't need a drink. I gotta say, you're honestly scraping the bottom of the barrel for women by getting them at clubs, bars, parties, etc.