First of all, thank you so much to AskTRP and TRP. I'm growing financially stronger(Investing and trading) and physically stronger(3x gym and 3x cycling/running) and I'm mentally stronger(Stoicism). I came here to learn about women so many years ago.I got laid multiple times being in the East. Thank you once again.
The problem I'm facing right now is pretty common. I wonder if there's even a solution to this. I have been with so many women and all those women were so good to me at first but later most of them became so awful that I wondered if I had invested in the wrong girl. In fact, they were perfect marriage material for me at first. We know this is sidebar material. Hyper-gamy, Solipsism, light-switch mechanism and more. Believe me, there are cases where I didn't lose my frame and still these girls got rotten overtime.
This isn't even a problem for me if I were to pump and dump but I want to have a good family. I want to marry a good lady. I'm from a country where there are relatively good girls but those girls are rare. know there are no unicorns so even if I get a good lady, I'm not going to love her more than myself. I have done that shit before. Not anymore.
I believe the problem is I'm bad at shit-testing women or testing women in general. How to shit-test women? What are the questions you ask for shit-testing? I want to select a good woman for marriage. I can get plenty of virgins in my country so that's not a problem.
Update : I think even if I said I'm from the East, a lot of people didn't notice. I'm NOT from the west.
whytehorse2021 3mo ago
1,) Test for grace/humour/diplomacy: See how she handles a loud fart in a public space. Even blame it on her. If she laughs then she passes, if she holds it over your head forever she failed.
2.) Test for maternal instinct: Tell her you want 10 kids. If she's excited you want more than 0 or 1 then she passes. Assuming you want kids, that is. If she's anti-kids then she fails.
3.) Test for minimalism: Say you want a small wedding or to elope.
4.) Test for ride-or-die: Say you might need to relocate and see if she is willing to leave her life behind to be with you.
A lot of this could just be lumped under compliance tests but these are very specific situations that happen in life-long marriages.
BDATA 3mo ago
Cool. Is there something like this in the sidebar? Compliance tests.
whytehorse2021 3mo ago
Compliance Testing
Another carry-over from the seduction community. The compliance test is a method for gauging a woman's desire to have your esteem and validation. Compliance testing begins by making small requests of a woman. "Give me your hand, I'd like to read your palm". "Pass me that [X], would you?" "Sit here, won't you? I'd like to ask you something..." as you pat the seat next to you. These are all examples of simple, low-level compliance tests to judge her willingness to follow your lead.
As a woman complies with your requests, you slowly ramp them up, making your requests ever more laborious. Eventually, they lose all superficial courtesy and become outright demands and expectations.
"Give me your hand, I'd like to read your palm" turns into you holding your hand out while making strong eye contact, and quietly expecting her to give you her hand.
"Pass me that [X]" becomes "Bring me those [Xs] from over there." "Come sit over here, won't you?" becomes "Come here."
Compliance testing never truly ends. It begins with small requests and builds in the bitch's mind the understanding that you will make demands of her, and that she must comply if she wants to continue enjoying the benefit of your attention. From that foundation, it eventually becomes true obedience and a mutually-beneficial exchange of her servitude for your guidance and protection.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3mo ago
How to vet women for marriage????
First-light 3mo ago
Women love shit testing, so they will love being shit tested, right?
Men are tougher mentally and shit testing is pretty tough on them. Shit testing women is not something to do much of I would suggest. They are weak. Its best not to test women. At least that is the wisdom of the old times. If you test a good woman, she will usually just fail the test. Women give into temptation too easily. In any test there is the hard path to success and the easy one to failure. The easy one is too tempting for women. They are programmed to take the easy path and congratulate themselves for doing so.
Its better to select women with few bad habits and with good character and upbringing and cultivate in them the habits you like.
This is ultimately disappointing. You can't get a real life partner, just a good passenger in your bus. She won't necessarily come through for you unless she is all in invested in you and that won't be till her beauty is gone and she has born you a few children. Probably will never happen if you sign a marriage contract as then you are the one all invested in her while the easy path of divorce will give her all your stuff. Its disappointing and I think it is the hardest thing to bear with stoicism. They don't love you back like you love them. They are the weaker vessel. So get a good fairly new vessel and treat it well but don't spoil it. Then it probably won't fail.
So its the old wisdom really. Nothing has changed when it comes to women. Look at the family, particularly the mother. Look at the friends. Ask about her reputation. Select one from a background that will align as well as possible somewhere between your beginnings and where you think you will realistically end up in life. Then court and treat her well, while not tolerating unreasonable behaviour.
First-light 3mo ago
The biggest problem with following this advice is that of getting MMV to align between you and your choice. Women tend to over value themselves. Men tend to hope hot women will play fair when the hot women know they can do better in the SMV market. There is not good answer to this. You can go abroad and get a woman who is higher MMV but is adventurous, willing to make hard choices and ambitious as hell -or she wouldn't quit her land and follow you or you can play at home and find it hard to get good behaviour from women who are of similar MMV value to you, at least while they are young enough and free enough of bad habits to be worth starting a family with.
Really there are 3 choices -outsource, put up with a lot of crap, trade down your MMV to get one who is so pleased to have you, that she behaves well.
SwarmShawarma 3mo ago
And keep her lockked up in a tower
We know
If one found, keep her locked up in a tower
Tangible investment is my answer.
Hard cash, land, properties.
The way it was once applied, but now observed in a cucked Muslim/Indian culture (not more cucked than in the west tho).
Will that always work. No.
Is that a big shift. Yeah.
Relationship breakdown? Sure. Wipe the tears with the dollars.
SwarmShawarma 3mo ago
Consider that s'a shit testing does not exist, just for now.
What you get is talking shit for no reason, for no purpose, to no end.
Basically if you dont overdo it or someone is not too fragile, or you'll revela nothing, it means nothing and will be forgotten the next day.
If you say something extra witty and funny it will be remembered.
If you say something extra stupid it will be remebered.
Shit test is created while ineracting and getting other party to get some info.
A guy says 'I dont judge my girls for cock carousel', maybe a guy doesnt (a Chad not wanting to comit anyway) or maybe a guy has learnt to say it.
The men in principle do the same stuff that women do. You could call it shit testing, but since the men collect data with better accuracy and determination, the VETTING fits better word for it.
The Men then translate the info into a database, the women translate info into the feelings. While we keep the database and tweak the info stored, women cant do the same as the link between the feeling and an action is fleeting and the effects remind more of the Pavlov behavioural conditioning.
TRP is the mega database of all the info gathered. Skipping the sidebar is wrong, not reading it periodically is wrong.
The Trades people carry the books with the standards and calculations, and go regularly to the trainings or refresher trainings.
There is no reason not to follow the same routine.
Example.
I have asked my vet plate what would she do if she observed a fisherman and he caught a fish on a hook and he then realized that fish is too small and got to release it. But while removing hook he notices that he has raptured fish's lip. I didnt want it too morbid, so I have added that the fish has no nerve endings there so it doesn't hurt.
She claims she loves the animals and is veggie.
Then I have observed not only what, but how she says it and her attitude toward me.
Then she was 'upset' by being tested, so I topped it up by playful sadness, stating 'I know you hate when I do that' which was followed by an enthusiastic "no, I love when you tease me'.
Most importantly it has to be playful/teasing; once the test is finished you can ridicule the test (it was too hard or serious, without DEERing), leave it hanging and tease her more the next time, make it even more serious /accusatory if the vibe was good throughout.
Except of getting some info about her, you get the following benefits: you look like a player, an improved imagination and convo skills, you cretae with her a set of insider jokes that comes out of her saying something utterly silly and this on its own give you a PERMANENT funny teasing option.
It requires one v important thing. She needs to cooperate at some level.
Einsamer 3mo ago
In the west, there is no reason for you to get married. You can just have kids with a women and that's it. So ask yourself: WHY do you even want to get married? Do YOU want to get married or does SOMEONE ELSE wants you get married?
adam-l Moderator 3mo ago
FTFU.
Musicgoon78 2 3mo ago
Men don't shit test. That's not a thing. You can't use a feminine tool as a masculine guy on a woman. It's like using a bowling ball as a pool float. It's very dumb.
A lot of modern dating is like dumpster diving for something good. You're sorting through things that other guys have thrown away in search for treasure.
You can look for red flags up front, but really only time will tell you how a girl is going to act. I have a 90 day theory. In my experience any woman could hide their crazy for roughly 3 months before it would come out. So after about 90 days they would show their true side and I would plan my exit strategy.
I enjoyed the time I had with these women and would simply leave when it stopped working or would get bad. You aren't going to change these girls and you don't want to lower your standards for them.
Eventually one will come along that won't be batshit crazy or mean. Those types of women are few and far between.
Now I don't know what country you are from, but here in the USA marriage is a surefire way to make sure your life is enslaved to a woman. I wouldn't recommend it. Most people that get married don't have enough love or trust to simply stay together. It's really sad.
lambOfGod 3mo ago
You said that you discovered all of this a few years ago and you applied it "successfully".
Now, if you'd had any decent experience with many women, by this time you could have an idea about what you want in a woman for an LTR.
If you don't know what you want in a woman for an LTR, then it means you haven't dated enough or you just dated 1 or 2 types of hoes. Eastern hoes are the same as western hoes, they just hide and pretend better.
BDATA 3mo ago
I knew what I want from a woman even before I discovered TRP. I think most of us know that. The problem is wanting and getting are both different things when women quite often wear masks when we meet them first.
MrSupreme 3mo ago
You don't shit test women the same way the shit test you. What you do is establish a long term relationship frame, figure out what you want out of a long term partner, and vet women(as in many women) and see if they fit your criteria of wife material and maybe even a mother to your children. If the lady is interested then don't be afraid to ask questions about her suitability, like can she cook,clean,does she like kids and pets,has she ever cheated on a boyfriend,has she ever been in a gangbang,has she fucked more than 30 guys.
There are some basic stuff for vetting women,but the most important if figuring out what you really want.
BDATA 3mo ago
This is vetting. I know vetting. Most guys do this, isn't it? Yet the woman who those guys will see 5 years down the line is going to be a very different woman, isn't that the truth? I know what I want. The question wasn't about that though.