It always comes back around to sex anyways. Remember selfish gene theory we exist as the expression of shoe strings made of molecules and are driven to survive and propagate by design. Everything else revolves around those two goals. This is why a lack of female companionship is what really kills the souls of incels it signifies being a dead end- a surplus male. I think however that doing things that uplift your family and community can also give a feeling of purpose since it aids your genes in a tertiary manner.

I never had success putting women first. It was only when I put myself first that I had success.

why is getting women considered bad motivation for becoming better (build more muscle, get more money, etc)? i understand if it's for catering to specific women and basically being a more productive slave for them, but why is it bad if your motivation is to have more/better looking women in your life?

I don't think it's bad.

Working hard on your muscles to get girls is fine.

Nobody fucking loves cardio and dieting for its own sake.

why is it bad if your motivation is to have more/better looking women in your life?

I had this argument here.

I am speaking the following on my own behalf. Even if I speak in imperatives or in second person in the following, it is merely to maintain a flow of text - and is not a command or judgement.

In fact, you have already answered it partially : basically being a more productive slave for them

Now, for me:

My motivation is my own personal thing. It is not controlled by any external "woman" pantomiming motivation into me. In fact the outward to inward injection of motivation is fighting with my own motivation. Allowing a woman to be the prize for your self improvement is like allowing a sparrow to ride an eagle, which is fatal.

This implicitly allows the woman to be the controller. You implicitly place her on a pedestal.

On the other hand, the other remix of the same idea of letting women be your motivation is, if you do X, then women will come. But that is a parasite, a "winner fucker". That I not a woman I want. Therefore, rubbing it in my face, that fundamentally I am alone, and only can get to cosplay a "relationship" if I compensate in some ways, is the kind of negativity that I dont need in my life.

I will remain a blackpiller/incel/fuck my hand/ insert categorization here - that's fine.

But I will still wake up every morning with a motivation to continue my UAV business, continue with buying real estate, continue parachuting because I like to watch my shadow on the clouds, and continue my adventures with my doll.

again, to recap, this is my personal outlook.

As a reference point, you can compare my ideas, of why it is not motivating for me to think about women, here is OsloMGTOW describing why women who come after you own is not more valued than discarded newspaper.

Women should never be the focus of a man's life. For anything.

Putting women at the focus of a man's life is actually a turn off for women. Because they think, "Doesn't he have anything better to do?"

You should improve your physique and style to feel better about yourself. You should progress your career so you can buy and experience cool shit. You should develop hobbies because you enjoy learning new things.

Women will naturally come.

A lot of dudes start out doing that shit to get chicks.

Somewhere along the line, many of them realize that all that work has other benefits, and that beyond sex most women are more hassle than they're worth.

That's when those men start doing those things without women as the motivator.

I think it is a great place to start,but not as a sole purpose.I started out seeing some pickup vids a while ago,then I wanted to pick up MILfs and that's where I found Roissy and started reading about dark triad.Then the rest of the red pill after that.

Ended up in a whole different place.Women can mark the spot but they're not the prize

Part of it has to do with frame and mental point of origin. It's too easy to get your motivations twisted and wind up doing things "for" women, when you're better off doing them for yourself, and let attracting better women remain downstream of that.

Its good for getting you started, but ultimately the biggest reward is internal validation. The complete trust in yourself. The kind of trust that will allow you to ensure that you make the right decisions for your own well being, and eventually the well-being of the people you care about.

Reproduction drive is a kickstarter towards your journey of self-improvement.

After a while, you do it for the intrinsic satisfaction.