Good day everyone. I have been a silent reader in this space for quite sometime now and it has been really helpful.
I started being actively in game last year and it has been great. Just a minor challenge.
I am having a huge issue escalating to sex when girls come over. I have read the sidebar so the preliminaries before sex are not my issue.
Here is how i usually do it:
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I make small talks with them to get them comfortable.
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If they are not sitting closer to me, I invite them or I playfully collect their phone or something which forces them to leave where they are and come to where I am
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After some minutes, I compliment something on their body: either their hair, dress or earring, anything while touching them lightly at the same time just to gauge receptiveness.
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I start touching them on their laps while still talking. After sometime, I slip my hand into their shirt to grab their breasts while kissing the neck. I meet resistance.
- I withdraw. After sometime, I try again, same thing. I keep trying but same thing keeps happening.
I don't know if its my approach that keeps getting in the way. It has happened to four girls so I know the problem is from me.
Musicgoon78 2 1d ago
Ok bro. Let's have a candid talk about this. I can really appreciate you trying and giving us this info. In this respect you are doing much better than the vast majority of guys. So you will get to mastery with this dedication.
Now just from reading, you have a very rigid 'paint by numbers" approach to game. It's too forced and robotic. It misses a human touch and playfulness that is needed to give a girl tingles.
I'll break this down further. Escalation is both physical and verbal. Without the emotional component, you're going to come across as extremely creepy.
Never go straight for a breast. The breast is a second point of contact after you've established reciprocity.
What I mean by that is part of a push/pull method. For example you kiss her passionately. Then you pull away and observe her actions. Is she smiling. Is her body language open or closed off? When you go for the second or third kiss stop a bit short of the kiss and see if she will move towards you. This is reciprocal action. After a bit of push pull you can move to the breasts then eventually down south (I hesitate and cringe even suggesting this to uncalibrated guys).
Escalation should be smooth and continuous. If a woman feels like she's being taken through a program, you're going to scare her off and creep her out every single time.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
What girl wants to not even be kissed while some guy goes straight for under their shirt and gropes* them, only to awkwardly withdraw and do nothing else just to grope again. That's such sloppy escalation and gives women massive ick.
This is exactly what happens when men try to escalate and can't possibly imagine the female experience and treat women like men. If a woman you wanted to fuck just grabbed your dick inside your pants you might be a little taken back but you'd probably enjoy it and be ready. Women ARE NOT MEN.
They want it to "just happen" and feel natural. They want to be seduced and turned on. Your escalation is sloppy as hell, gives them no spark, and is random af. You're doing absolutely nothing for them sexually. They're getting the opposite of turned on from that when you already have a vibe going that you otherwise shouldn't be bungling if they agreed to come over.
*The difference between groping a chick and touching their breast is pretty notable. It's the same action but their perception of it is wildly different when you do it at the right time.
mattyanon Admin 23h ago
Solid post
Vermillion-Rx Admin 17h ago
Thank you man :)
universitythrowaway 1d ago
It seems like you're escalating but you're missing a big step in between 4. After you start touching their legs/arms go for the kiss. While you're kissing you can physically escalate more. Follow Dicarlo's escalation ladder.
Kiss -> let your hands wander around her body over her clothes -> rub her nipples over her shirt -> put your hand under her shirt etc.
You're putting the cart before the horse.
MrSupreme 1d ago
What Vermillion said, you need to escalate before going to the breast/puss. Kiss around her neck, hold her close to you,I personally like to give em a warm massage on her back and shoulders, sometimes it serves as an excuse to make her show more skin, If you wanna read some of it, read the Sex God Method, it is nice to understand what you're supposed to be doing(what women like) vs what you want to do(what you like). They're not men.
First-light 23h ago
She has to feel happy and relaxed with one level of touching before going to the next.
She needs to feel safe to feel relaxed. If she thinks you are about to spring on her, she will be edgy and never relax. She needs to be wanting the next stage not fearing it.
When she is happy and relaxed, she will give some reciprocation, even if its just by noticeably relaxing muscle tension or breathing more deeply but probably she will touch back a little or push her body against yours or pull you to her or something you will notice.. Without some sign, do not escalate further.
Its a bit of a pyramid -lots of good talk and good body language, a medium amount of hugging, some kissing and running of hands over her, a little bit of groping and bang away. You may not even need the groping if you are both very excited. You want her all fired up and willing you to get on with the next stage.
You wouldn't drop a match on some logs and expect a fire. Similarly, you can't go from touching to a full blown grope and expect it to work. Prepare your hearth, sort your sticks by size, rub your tinder and make a good bundle, apply any spark from a scintilla of hot iron struck off with a flint to a smouldering coal made by rubbing sticks, fan the bundle, blow the bundle, then once it flares, just put the sticks onto the burning bundle in the right order and you will have a fire in minutes that will burn a whole green tree in a rainstorm. However, put a blow torch to big green logs and you have nothing but singed wood to show for a bottle of gas. Starting a fire is all about going through the stages, the less fire ready the material, the more stages. Preparation is everything, execution is simple if preparation is correct and material is suitable.
mattyanon Admin 23h ago
First off..... great work on getting them over. That's 99% of the battle.
I hope that there is some flirty expectation of sex-as-a-possibility and that it's not "invite them over as friends and then surprise! I have a penis!"
ASSUMING that's the case, here's a better model:
They come over and you hug them tight. If things are already flirty between you, grab her ass. If not, let go of the hug and lead her by the shoulder somewhere comfortable.
Then BACK OFF..... give her space..... then make her feel comfortable by showing that you fully support her leaving....... "How long can you stay" or "I've only got an hour" or "Let me know when you've got to leave and I'll walk you to the bus station" or whatever.
After that things should progress organically with a combination of escalation and backing off.
DO NOT EXPECT HER TO MAKE THIS WORK...... you are driving, she is following. You are escalating, you are teasing, you are touching, and you are pushing her away.
Dude, this is kinda fucked up.
Look at their lips....... lean in to kiss her..... then stop and back off a bit....... then more....... hand round back, hand down to her waist..... then around and back up....... don't just stick your hand down her shirt unless you know what you're doing (which you don't yet).
Right.
LegendITM 19h ago
Thanks to y'all for the wonderful advices. I really appreciate. I promise to put them into action and bring by wine of appreciation to y'all ????. Thanks