As the title suggests, every time I enter a relationship—even with a "perfect" girl by RP standards (younger, virgin, cooks, cleans, submissive, affectionate, loves children, shares my beliefs)—I still find myself thinking about being with other women. My girlfriend is 21, and I’m 24.
This happened in my previous relationship as well. I spun plates for a while before committing, but once in a relationship (currently almost 2.5 years), I start thinking about being single again. I’m unsure if this feeling will ever go away. I see mixed opinions—some say they prefer a committed relationship over spinning plates, while others insist they are strictly non-monogamous.
How did you determine whether monogamy was or wasn’t for you?
Did you experience similar thoughts about other women while in a relationship? If so, did you act on them? Did those feelings eventually fade?
I feel torn. I can envision a future where I embrace non-monogamy—only spinning plates or having OLTRs. But I can also see myself settling down and starting a family with my current girlfriend, as she checks all the right boxes. Am I feeling this way due to social conditioning, or is monogamy simply unnatural for men, as history and nature seem to suggest?
I’d love to hear your experiences and insights on how you figured it out.
Mosomoso 2w ago
I went through the opposite. Was highly promiscuous and sort of accepted a couple of open relationships in the past, which I did not take very seriously. I was in for the sex and little else. Without a strong emotional commitment I could avoid any emotional distress, though I always longed for a monogamous relationship. But the real issue is health. You WILL get sick a lot, not just from STDs, but also by random stuff like colds, balanitis due to PH imbalance, yeast infections and all that shit that condoms don't prevent. You'd be surprised at how common crabs are too and those really suck. It's exhausting and it causes a negative spiral where you become hypochondriac, your training goes to shit, you're always anxious and your career suffers. I can't even imagine how that would be if kids were involved (which is a whole other can of worms). Every open couple I know have frequent trips to the doctor and often take antibiotics. My own health suffered in my promiscuous days and the difference is day and night now that I pursue monogamous relationships. Take care.
Lone_Ranger 2 4w ago
I really don't agree with this idea that monogomy is not natural. It is perfectly possible in theory. There is no reason why two people can't be happy just fucking each other in an LTR.
I honestly believe that monogamy is much more compatible with men than with women. Most men seem ok with monogamy than women. If I am with a woman in an LTR, and there is plenty of love and affection, then my partner can be more attractive than any other women. It's all perfectly rational - sex with a woman that you actually love is going to better than the physical sensation of fucking some slut that you dont care about.
The issue is almost always with the female -they get bored very quickly, and they lose respect for men that only fuck them. A man that just fucks his wife is a loser in the eyes of his wife - a 'semi' incel.
mattyanon Admin 1mo ago
I finally snapped when the girl I was dating told me that we are not having much sex any more before I am "not the new toy".
She finally opened my eyes to the fact that women are just not suitable for monogamy. If they wanted monogamy then they would reward monogamy. Instead the punish monogamy by withholding sex and losing interest.
Wanting to fuck other women is 100% natural, for men especially.
What you do with this information is up to you.
@Vermillion-Rx
Lone_Ranger 2 4w ago
I would add that it is also 100% natural for a man to only want to fuck his partner. That is totally normal and acceptable.
Men usually stray because their partners are disrespecting them.
Lone_Ranger 2 1mo ago
I guess that men are all quite different. Some men don't want a monogomous life, some men really enjoy just having one woman.
I prefer having just one woman that I am really bonded to. This is probably the cause of most of my problems in my life - because no woman seems to want that. The women I have known SAY they want that, but when you start doing that, being faithful to a single woman and treating her well, she loses all respect for you.
Women want to be treated ok by an amazing man, men want to be treated amazingly by an ok woman.
Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
First off stop referring to what a perfect girl is by red pill standards. That's a faggot thought. Fuck what all the larping spergs on here think. What do you want? That statement shows me that you haven't fully ironed out your own standards for a woman. No woman is perfect.
So here's what I can tell you as an older guy and you're not going to like it.
A "perfect" girl is not what you want. You are just like me. You want a challenge. Guys that are good with women want to tame a hot mess.
I had a very submissive housewife type of girlfriend. She gave me sex whenever and she was super loyal. I trusted her with her free time. She was bland and lost her luster quickly.
Who said you have to be monogamous? I can't do it, it doesn't sound you like it. Why do something you don't enjoy? It's your life bro. Sow your oats.
SpiritualEnema 1mo ago
Don’t listen to this guy. Trying to tame a hot mess leaves you with your car windows bashed in and some women’s rights activist judge holding you behind bars for setting boundaries with said crazy woman.
No thanks.
Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
There's a difference between a hot mess and someone completely mentally ill. You're confusing the two. One is trainable the other is irreparable.
With experience comes the knowledge of what red flags to look for.
Regardless, too perfect is boring. If boring is your thing or going with safe and easy, go for it....
Hugo_The_Great 1mo ago
I think that, based on the little OP said, it's a little presumptuous to say he wants a challenge, or he gets bored. Also, definitely not all guys who are good with women want to 'tame a hot mess'.
I think it's natural for a guy to get bored a little of 1 woman and to lust after other women while in an LTR.
Where it goes from there, ultimately depends on how strong that urge is in an organism.
Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
Wait, it's presumptuous to say that he gets bored, but you say it's natural for a guy to get bored.
Guys get bored because there isn't a challenge in their current relationship. That's what the thrill of the chase provides.
I guarantee that if someone gets everything they want too easy, it won't be seen as valuable.
universitythrowaway 1mo ago
You're right. It seems like monogamy isn't for me. My standards for a woman align mostly with the RP ones, but I'm strict on wanting a virgin girl if its for an LTR. When I'm single though I sometimes think about the perfect girls I used to date. And as I age will it be harder to find them due to society and virgin girls being rarer. Also because I'm done university now so it's harder to meet younger girls.
As an older guy how do you find the plate spinning/OLTR life? What are the ups and downs and do you ever think of settling down?
Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
So as an older guy I've done it all. Relationships, monogamy, polyamory, swinging, spinning plates and a. Wife and kids. I personally don't see any logical reason to get married. And I haven't heard even a remotely sensible answer about marriage. It's just something you do because "you're supposed to", yet all you get from it is you are legally responsible for paying a woman for the rest of your life regardless of how she treats you.
Now if monogamy doesn't sound good or feel good right now, don't do it. You can always quit non monogamy later. Enjoy being young. Being old and stuck with someone that doesn't care for you or care about you really sucks.
Now guys don't hit a wall per se. My SMV just keeps getting better. I haven't had problems getting women that are younger or the ones that are closer to my age.
Plate spinning is fun, but you can get addicted to it. At one time I was juggling 9 different girls in a week. It stopped being fun. I have a daughter. That's enough responsibility for me.
I love the variety and the chase. The downside is almost every single woman will try to lock you down eventually. So you have to be ok with being a bit of a heartbreak for women. But overall my life is very good. I have one non monogamous girlfriend, many side chicks, a good family and friends. It's not lonely or boring. People make it seem like if you're not married and monogamous, you're going to be sad, depraved, and lonely. That's all bullshit. Most guys want to have crazy sex adventures. They just don't have the balls to pursue that.
Kloi 1mo ago
Fuck you for tickling my ego.
Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
Hit a vein of truth didn't I?
Kloi 1mo ago
I swear I'm man enough to turn a ho into a house wife!
On a more serious note, recently with my hair stylist I discussed the fact I don't ever think I could be with a normal girl, who hasn't dipped her toes in the party lifestyle.
The more I'm out of that lifestyle, the more I feel my statement loses validity but there are just certain aspects of me you're not going to get if you haven't gone on a month long bender.
Then again a woman doesn't need to full understand me.
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
Your young age plays a large role in how you feel about this topic. I would say you’re likely to feel this way until you’re 30.
Physical and mental changes happen, and the effective years you have left to look for the gold standard of women start to dwindle a bit. You’re likely to feel the pull towards starting a family getting stronger. Then again, people differ.
universitythrowaway 1mo ago
I've considered this, which is why I'm thinking if staying in an LTR that ticks the boxes is a good option.
MrSupreme 1mo ago
Easy, after years of forcing myself to be monogamous with my LTR I looked back and wondered why i was fantasizing about being with other women.That is not happiness
Doesn't matter if it is evolutionary psychology or something else that explains it, if you are happier spreading your seed across many fields then that is what makes you happy,why try to be something else? Be yourself,explore that side of your sexuality.
First-light 1mo ago
Monogamy is not really natural for men but it is an arrived at compromise in the modern west between men and women. Women get to exploit one man entirely, men only get one woman but she was supposed to be loyal.
However, the thing to understand is that once you accept you are non monogamous, you are now in a big wide world of possibilities. Its like accepting you are not monotheisitc -suddenly you are no longer worried over if you practise the right form of worshiping a god from a long gone far away people to be allowed to go to heaven. You realise you can be a hindu, a buddist, an odinist ...and they are all equally valid paths for the right person. You could choose to follow the cult of one god that resonates with you or just drop in to worship any god that you feel drawn to that day or just keep yourself to yourself and worship your ancestors and local spirits. Like polytheism, non monogamy has many forms and you do not have to be wedded to any of them. Only monogamy makes you be wedded to one ideal and concerned when you fall short.
You could have an open relationship or you could be a polygamist having two or more women who must be faithful to you or you could just cheat a bit or have whores on the side, the possibilities are many and one should not get too hung up on them, particularly not to the point of losing opportunity. If you want to settle and have kids you can. You might need to get her permission to entertain yourself elsewhere or you might just step out. You might even do all of these at some point in your life.
I am non monogamous. I have openly had two women at once and also had 3 covertly. Both options ran me ragged. I am rather tired of women's selfish neediness these days. I live with one. I have no intention of being unfaithful to her. I doubt that right now I would replace her if we split but that is just because my priorities have changed in life. I am practising monogamy now but not from principle but because it is the compromise that suits me best at the present.
Once you face up to being non monogamous by nature, don't get too hung up on having to pick a path. The world is now open and you know yourself. What you do sexually is just a compromise between your natural desire to dump a load in every hot woman on earth and the practicality of getting on with women and raising children. Only the innocent and the simple think there are any moral rules.
AbusiveFather1 1mo ago
Monogamy is only viable when it’s enforced by society/the state, and polygamy/promiscuity is outlawed. But monogamy is definitely the go to relationship model for a functioning, prosperous society
derdeutscher 1mo ago
Just find a wife that will accept a side piece bro.