Hey y’all, trying to figure out how to improve my situation as much as possible within my current means. I’m currently unemployed and have been fighting depression but therapy has been helping. I’ve cleaned up my diet, and I’m starting to work out more regularly. Down 35 lbs so far with 35 more to go. I’ve begun replacing my wardrobe so I don’t look homeless using reddit’s male fashion advice basics. Read most of the sidebar and the rational male, still making my way through the book of pook. After that I will read day game.
My main issue is I have been spending my days playing video games and watching TV and never leaving the house. I haven’t been on a date in over 10 years and am still a virgin. I’m currently living with my parents. I’m planning on saving up to buy a house when I get a job, but I don’t think I’ll reach that goal for another 18 months for when I can get my own place. My current plan is to begin to re-expose myself to social environments and talking to people, and raise my SMV as much as possible until I can become employed again.
Overall Goals: -10% body fat -Find employment with at least 70k a year so I can save up for a house by the end of the year -Force myself to be social so I can talk to people without being weird -Ask a girl for her number before May 30(while this seems easy, I have never done this before and want to lose a bit more weight and finish fixing wardrobe before I try)
Daily Plan to Prevent Myself from self-isolation: Morning – Workout, Go to coffee shop and work on Resume/ Job Search 4 hours (Coffee shop is where I will be exposed to other people so I’m not isolated for days on end) Afternoon- Read self-development 3 hours Evening – This is the part I struggle with the most, my evenings are usually empty, and with that emptiness I just watch TV or porn. I plan to try and start volunteering in order to broaden my horizons and the number of people I meet while not spending any money except for gas. I will also try hobby group meetups for stuff I’m interested in.
Advice Needed: I am open to suggestions on any of this plan if anyone sees an issue I’m blind to. What are some good ideas on how to spend my evening productive, because I’m used to having the mindset “I’ve earned a break in the evening” despite doing minimal things to have earned a break. I don’t drink (sober 2 years) and don’t like bars, so I don’t really want to go there unless I have to, so open to suggestions on how to meet women or friends. All my friends are married with kids and don’t do anything, so meeting people through friends isn’t really a good option. For online dating, I’ve only attracted overweight women, should I just go on dates even though I’m not attracted to them for practice?
Brainstorming for current issues: For evenings I'm leaning more towards reading fantasy hobby or practicing a skill although I don't know what skills could help SMV while working on it at home. Meeting women I think hobby groups would be my best bet, such as board game groups, hiking groups, and running groups as these are things I am actually interested in. Are there any easy hobby groups to meet women in? As for online dating, my intuition is to not date women I don't have any attraction to, but I'm not sure if my lack of experience is extreme enough to date them anyway to try and get that experience.
I wasted my entire 20s to depression so really trying to improve now, thank you for your time and advice.
derdeutscher 1d ago
As someone who fought with lot of demons in his 20s, I would say following:
Find a job, definitely. Not having a job can be debilitating. Even if its flipping burgers. Nobody in the world ever got from being unemployed to a sallary of 70k. You dont just spawn there, you work your way up. You should have this much common sense with 30.
Never sleep longer than 9am. Most of the days get up at least at by 7:30. Accordingly, night is for sleeping.
If you have a masturbation problem, get it fixed. 1-4 times a month is normal anything less or more is fucked up.
Get active. Weight lifting, bike riding, swimming, whatever rocks your boat.
Limit screen time (TV, smartphone, computer, whatever has screen) to reasonable amount.
** Dont do too much for beginning. You will just give up. Introduce changes easily. Example: start relaxed with gradually better meals instead of jumpin in on some crazy 2000kcal a day calorie program.
** Practicing social skills and reading books is useless if you dont feel good about yourself. You will never have confidence to pull anything off. Fix few things, like I said, and confidence and skill will appear out of "nowhere". THAN you can read about some tips and tricks.
** A bit rude, but your head is deep in your ass when it comes to some things. You wont start with 70k or "maximize your SMV before you find a job" (which sounds dumb).
As for what to do with your evening, combine useful with nice - for example school of german language: you meet new people, you are out, you learn a new skill, and one thats sought after in USA for that matter, speaking german can land you a job in many fields.
GetMoreBooks 14h ago
Thanks for the feedback. I should I clarified, I meant I'm focusing to maximize SMV while looking for a job, not waiting to apply. I like the idea of combining useful with nice for evenings, will definitely try it.
mattyanon Admin 1d ago
re weightloss: great!
forget book of pook. it's awesome but incomprehensible unless you already know it deeply in which case it's useless.
daygame is awesome
living with parents will make live more difficult . no job same. no friends same. no social life same.
Look...... you need to get your whole life together. job, house, friends, social life. You've got it all to do. Not saying that you have to do that to get laid, but you absolutely have to do that if you want quality long term women.
job first my man....... job first.
this is just an excuse not to find a job.
they don't start at 70k
Get the best job you can RIGHT NOW. Otherwise you're just procrastinating.
Nope.
Morning: 8 hours job search.
Evening: 4 hours job search.
Self development is what you do, not what you read.
Sure....... do that in the 4 hours you have left and weekends.
You are lazy which is why you're in this position.
You are making excuses to stay lazy.
"No job until I find one that pays 70k a year" is just a way to avoid work.
work
get a job
no
right.
you're depressed because you're going nowhere.
you're going nowhere because you're lazy.
Stop finding excuses....... get a job...... talk to people........ talk to women.
You are engaging in avoidance that takes the form of "read how to get girls / look for job / self improvement".
It's bullshit.
Here's a better plan: Talk to girls / work / sleep.
GetMoreBooks 22h ago
Thanks, while I disagree with some stuff you said I can see your point about prioritizing getting a job first.
No-Stress-Cat 1d ago
Stop thinking about girls. You got a long way to go before you're even close to getting a girl. You waited this long, a couple more years isn't going to hurt you any.
Get your finances straight, get out of your parents' house. All that time you spend playing video games you could be looking for a job, or driving uber on the side or doordash or a part time job at McDonald's or some shit. As a gamer myself, I know you're not playing just a couple hours here and there, you're spending all day on that shit.
Stop buying into the narrative that there's something wrong with you. Society only tells you that shit because it gives you a crutch so that instead of getting off your ass, you can have an excuse to not get shit done and doctors can get rich off your gullible ass by selling you expensive meds you don't need. You're not depressed. You're just unhappy with your situation. Only you can fix that, not some miracle drug and a professional brainwasher.
Love, Dad
GetMoreBooks 16h ago
Thanks, definitely been playing games all day up until recently. I'll focus on finances first, definitely seems like the most important step in order to move on.
Jackmoter 2d ago
Every single day secure yourself 1 hour before sleeping to wind down and relax. This can involve simple chores, breathework, reading and other low-light and simple activities. That is your relaxing time every evening, 1 hour, not the entire evening. What else can you do? Read the sidebar... Go through the top TRP posts... Plan the next day... Meal prep... plan the next adventure... etc etc.
Cut porn out immediately. It is destructive. You are quite literally training yourself to be a cuck. I know it's hard to stop at first, but it gets easier. Install chrome extensions to block anything that has the word porn in the address bar. On your phone too. No more porn and limit masterbation to every other day at max.
A running club would be a good idea for your evenings and to meet women. But you shouldn't join the club to meet women. Join to run with companions and if you meet women that's great. You might make some great friends too. (Buy some Zero Drop, Wide Toe Box, Road Running shoes like the Altra Paradigm 7 and for the love of god do not heel strike).
You could also start volunteering at a local charity once a week. There will be plenty of women there and you'll get some new life perspectives and it will build your character.
If you're going for an evening hike, message all your friends and a few days before, tell them your plan and invite them along. At first they'll probably say no, but after you keep doing it and your hikes get cooler, they'll start getting that masculine craving to come along. Maybe invite them every other week. Doing shit by yourself is also important.
I'd say go on the dates with the fatties. At minimum you'll get practice communicating on dating apps, getting numbers and setting up dates. You can also work on your first date conversation style, the 36 questions to fall in love is a good place to start.
GetMoreBooks 1d ago
Thanks, I appreciate all the specific and actionable steps.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
I'm going to echo what some of the others have already said: start trying now.
1) you might be surprised at the kind of women you can get now, and even if it's none....
2) the more experience you have (even if it's just at facing and powering through rejection), the better you'll be at talking to and gaming women in the future.
3) as you continue losing fat, building muscle, tweaking your wardrobe, and refining your game, you can see how much easier it gets as you get in better shape.
In my experience, dressing well is overrated. Your mileage may vary, so observe your results as you change things up. I think I'm in the minority on this one, but I also think that for a lot of the dudes who swear by dressing well, their clothes served as a Magic Feather (that's a "Dumbo" reference, kids!) and they were ok all along and didn't realize it.
Anywhere, and everywhere. I just advise against on the job or in the gym (exception for the gym is when she makes it so obvious that she wants you to talk to her).
Learn to notice IOIs from women. When you receive them, strike up a conversation. Even if you don't get anything from it but practice, that's good.
Example: you're in Walmart looking over some produce. You look up and make accidental eye contact with a cute woman. She smiles and tucks her hair behind her ear (2 IOIs at once: smile and preening).
You: those are nice earrings. Where'd you get them?
Her: gift from my mother when I finished my master's degree.
You: ah. That's an accomplishment worth celebrating for sure. I'm GetMoreBooks. What's your name?
Surely you could take it from here.
GetMoreBooks 15h ago
Thanks for advice, I'll definitely worry less my about my wardrobe and start approaching. Where would be a good place to start learning IOI's? Or is the best place to learn experience?
ObliviousDuck 3d ago
This is the kind of attitude that put you in this mess in the first place. You will never be ready, because it's impossible to ever be ready for anything.
You think it's hard to ask for a number? It's not. What's hard is coping with the expected and inevitable rejection. You WILL get rejected and there is no amount of preparation that will prevent that.
Accept it, go out there and talk to people.
I'd be careful choosing your hobbies based on female interests. That said, there is nothing wrong in trying and seeing if it truly interests you, that is, would you still be doing it if it wasn't for the women. You have to be truly honest here, else you will end up in a few year having invested your time and money in an empty hobby.
GetMoreBooks 2d ago
Yeah, I've always had a fear of rejection so I need to desensitize myself to it. Good call on the hobbies, I'll try some where I have a chance to meet women (right now my hobbies are male dominated) but only keep doing it if I enjoy it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3d ago
I'm not totally sure you attempted to answer your own question per the AskTRP rules, but your goals are close enough. Just keep that in mind going forward
GetMoreBooks 3d ago
Thanks, added a brainstorming for current issues to try and answer own questions.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3d ago
No problem
Musicgoon78 2 3d ago
You are going to get stuck and stagnate if you wait. I see this over and over.
Don't wait to lose weight before you try. Get a fucking haircut and take a shower. You can get women in jeans and a T-shirt.
I was 35, a single dad, severely overweight, broke. homeless and only owned a motorcycle. I still approached women. I was very successful. Don't get caught up in some stupid body fat metric. That alone will not get you laid.
I'm going to let you into an obvious insight from an older guy. Most guys won't say this because of ego. Almost every single problem you will have with getting women is a roadblock that you create for yourself. Read that again and let it sink in.
Getting women is really easy. But you will have to sacrifice your victim mentality and own that you want this to be difficult. Most guys will never do this.
If you try right now and take action, you will be successful. If you wait, well chances are you'll stay stuck reading material and not doing anything.
GetMoreBooks 3d ago
Good advice, thank you. I have a question about confidence though, an area where I'm severely lacking. I understand this is probably one of those roadblocks I'm creating for myself, but my thinking behind this is if I achieve those goals, it'll give me a base line confidence in myself that I wouldn't otherwise have, and that'll drastically improve my success as compared to where I can barely look a women in the eyes right now. Should I just try to "fake it till you make it" and approach now? As I'm writing this out I realize I'm making another excuse to not approach now, but I feel like the question of "when do you start feeling confident?" is still there for me.
Musicgoon78 2 3d ago
The only way out is through. If you get 10 percent body fat, you still won't be good with women. You'll be a virgin with low body fat. Confidence comes from success. You'll have confidence with women when you start approaching and getting laid. Then you'll start to realize you are attractive and this stuff really is only hard if you make it that way.
Keep in mind that most people are going to sell you outrage and doom. Truth is, the dating market isn't as bad as you think.
Go out and talk to women and simply have fun. Then go after what you want. That's the recipe for success. It's really not complicated.
GetMoreBooks 2d ago
Thank you for the advice, I do have a tendency to over complicate.
First-light 3d ago
Date what you can get for now. Experience really helps with women, just spending the time in a situation where you are being considered as a partner is very valuable. Just don't get oneitis for the first landwhale you finally nail. (this will be a lot easier said than done for most guys).
You do deserve a break in the evening but you need to stretch yourself from time to time too. When you feel rested, then try a hobby you like in an evening.
Actually your interests are quite handy for meeting women. Running groups are currently a popular route for finding partners (women love the idea that a guy gets them). If you can tolerate living with someone who wants to get up at 5.00 Am to get in enough miles to prepare for a marathon or are prepared to waste weekend days driving to an athletics track in another county to watch her warm up, run a 1/2 mile, then go home, she will buy in, provided you are not beneath her in ability. Many women will want a freely available pacer who will stop them getting scared running alone (while you will risk losing the joy of a lone dawn run at your own pace). In the end a female runner can see considerable benefit in having a male partner who shares her hobby. Briffault always wins with relationships -provide the benefit, the woman will appear. Clubs usually train twice a week in evenings, come when you like. If you go to the races at the weekend as part of a team, you will get social interaction and the whole lift share experience. Hiking is a good bet for a weekend activity group where you will meet women, provided you don't want to do the big hard routes.
GetMoreBooks 2d ago
Good advice, thanks. I'll start putting myself out there. I'll definitely need to up my fitness to be a pacer but now's a great time to start.
First-light 1d ago
I would definitely give it a go as you would get the fitness benefit plus the social one. You never saw a good runner with a high body fat percentage either.
I also think that mitochondrial health can make a big difference with overcoming depressive feelings too -you just have more energy available. So really its a straight win. A lot of guys here are big into the gym and high intensity exercise is one route to better mitochondria but endurance runs with a speed development session thrown in once a week and one or two strength sessions on the weights will give you both the endurance and the high intensity routes and all the circulatory benefits. Won't make you massively jacked but will make you fit and probably happy.
MrSupreme 2d ago
You know what you can do to add to your overwall wellness, SMV and just to have fun, pick up a creative hobby. something you enjoy and can develop: photography, guitar, dancing, painting, something artsy.
GetMoreBooks 2d ago
Good idea, I used to write some but haven't in a long time. I think I'll get back into it.