This post is not a troll post or a humblebrag, I'm truly at a crossroads. In know, AWALT.
I've followed TRP principals for 12 years now and have seen amazing success.
Quick background:
Had a troublesome youth up until college (drugs, robbery, breaking into homes, stealing cars) then got my shit straightened out in college, I was always a good student, but parents didn't care what I did outside of getting good grades, so I cut loose.
Got into college somehow, studied Engineering. Worked out a ton every day, went to church, studied hard and applied myself, made connections. 5 years of grinding hard in college paid off, I got a job at a defense contractor startup, worked there for 7 years, and the product we launched was tremendously successful and I'm now a millionaire at 30 years old.
Bought a house with 50 acres in the countryside and was able to pay it off this year. 3 cars, paid off, bought all the dumb toys and gadgets I want, really the next step in my life is to find a nice woman and start a family, as that was always the dream.
I've had 6 girlfriends, 6 hookups/casual sex. Most of my long-term relationships were virgins, debt free, no tattoos. Great girls overall but never had the makings of a wife. The rest of the girls I met at parties in college and hooked up with, casually dated, fucked, and moved on, or kept as a FWB. I could have easily had a 30+ body count, but I kept my schooling/career as my priority rather than trying to keep banging random chicks. I'm 6’3, handsome, jacked, charming, and above average package, so not exactly hurting for pussy ever.
I destroyed every woman I've been with sexually, many of them still reach out now and again to try and get me back, or just to tell me I'm the best they will ever get (most ex’s tell me that they have done stuff with me they will never do with their current man)
Again not trying to humblebrag, just trying to set the stage for my current circumstances
Anyways I met a very nice girl a year ago, we quickly fell for each other, took it slow and didn't fuck till 4th or 5th date. She moved in with me after 3 months of dating, and now we are seriously considering marriage.
She is as good as a modern woman gets. Tall, skinny, great body from college sports/ gym, stunningly beautiful. Great career, no debt, no tattoos, no drama, great in bed, cooks and cleans for me, supports me in all ways in life. Great with money, conservative, loves and respects me, listens to me and does whatever I ask her. Isn't an emotional wreck, very levelheaded, not a gold digger, very frugal, loyal, has a great relationship with her parents, no guy friends, no ex’s she keeps in contact with. She is totally committed to me and does all sorts of cute little things for me like writing me love notes that she leaves on my office desk. She even helps me at work from time to time and does an awesome job. If I leave for a work trip she will cry and text me how much she misses me.
She is truly my best friend and the greatest joy in my life, we have such a great time together and everyone always comments that we are a perfect couple. I love her so much and would love to spend my life with her. However there is a catch:
She was on a sports team in college and was very popular. Her body count is 12 (allegedly) 6 or so boyfriends, (all toxic of course), 6 dudes she hooked up with, dated casually, FWB, or a one-night stand.
I heard from the grapevine that she has a “hoe phase "in early college and then settled down, and tried dating the rest of her college years with limited success. She always tells me she regrets her past, and a lot of her choices were made while drunk and horny. She cries that she spent most her college single, and all her friends were in relationships, so she was trying to get a man to commit, and though sleeping with them would do that. She spent 2 years abstaining from sex before we met, as she was over men and gave up on dating.
I cannot look past her past. Of course, you'll never truly know a womans past, as they filter it to you so hard, so I'm assuming her body count is double that with even more one-night stands and hookups.
Ill be taking her out to dinner or paying for a nice vacation for the both of us and be like “damn I'm spending all this money on her and some dude got her pussy for free "or “I waited 5 dates to fuck and she fucked dudes on the first date”, or “she got drunk and fucked a dude in a bathroom, while she's cuddled up next to me in bed” or “damn im dude #13 (hopefully) to be inside her” as we are fucking.
Its seriously fucking with me. I have so much to offer a woman. All the “good girl virgins” I've met and dated ended up crazy. All the hook ups I've had were not quality women. I finally find a truly honest, loving, and supportive woman who would make a great wife and mother, and I must wrestle with her past.
Do I just accept that every woman, especially at my age (30), is just a batshit insane drama filled trainwreck of a human, and be happy I have a good one and look past her past?
Do I drop her and look for a girl EXACLY like her but who is a virgin?
Do I just accept that she is a human a well, and that humans like sex and make mistakes, especially when young and booze is involved, and that she only cares for me and me only?
Is my brain poisoned from the manosphere so much so that I cannot just relax and enjoy my time with an otherwise perfect partner for whatever time I have left on this earth?
Is this why all boomers hate their wife? (They worked their ass off to provide, and they snagged a woman who just slept around, then settled down, and committed to a man?)
Can any married guys chime in with how they delt with this?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago Stickied
Per the new AskTRP rules you need to try to answer your own question in the post somewhere
LeonBarosanul 1d ago
Want to marry her after ONE YEAR of knowing her? Where's the fucking rush?
You do realize you're infatuated with her right now, and hormones trick you, right?
Jackmoter 22h ago
Go to the sub reddit AskMRP and ask your question there.
P.S. they are all married and they will brutalise you harder than anyone here can.
Musicgoon78 2 23h ago
This is some bullshit. If you need to ask internet strangers to help you make the most legally significant decision in your life, the answer is no.
If the answer was yes, you would've asked her. You have nothing to gain from marriage.
Second is learn to be brief with your writing. I refuse to read a garbage novel.
Third, is dial down the ego. I refuse to read a garbage novel about how awesome you are.
StrongWoman 1d ago
Without reading your post, I would say you should not marry.
Redpillpusher 13h ago
In the words of the poet lil Wayne: She's a whore/what the fuck you think she's for? What is wrong with this mind of yours? She's a dinosaur/ She's a tyrannosaurus Rex for sex
You're blinded over this slut like everyone's been saying. She has all the trappings of a lady of the streets. She says all her exes were toxic, indicating accountability is a foreign concept for her. The fact that she labeled them all toxic reveals that they all had nasty breakups, indicating she has deep personality flaws. She has HERSELF admitted several times she regrets her past, she made a MAJORITY of her choices while drunk and horny, & that she tried to use sex to keep men (indicating that she is manipulative and idiotic, because only simple hos think that sex will make men commit). The fact that you even had the audacity to type these paragraphs to ask this idiotic question lets me conclude that you're one of these suckers who swears they pop red pills all day and have absorbed TRP but have no real understanding of this game here. Go ahead and marry her because as far as I see it, if it's not her some other jezebel turned to Jesus will fool your ass, your destiny is to give some ho half a million, embrace it. I know this because this girl isn't really actively trying to screw you over. WTH are you going to do when you run into a female who's really on the prowl for a sucker, may God bless your soul
MrSupreme 1d ago
You're using marriage as a statement to her or yourself about commitment and pure love with no boundaries. The only statement modern marriage (specially when a guy like you does it) makes is castrating yourself and giving her your balls as a trophy.Don't get married.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Breaking my not answering AskTRP rule to shamelessly plug my post you need to read. Dear God
Green-Tinted Glasses™
kernalkrackerz Should i (x1) 1d ago
i know what your saying, and i don't believe a word out of her mount, burned that bridge too many times in the past. I know how to translate girlspeak to reality. just explaining the stuff that she has to say for herself about her past
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Don't get married. Especially not to her. It's not your job to fix or save her.
mattyanon Admin 1d ago
What the fuck is this shit.
DO NOT MARRY
cundardunfinished 1d ago
After 3 months of dating? No. And you letting her move in with you means you haven't read the sidebar.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Damn I missed this detail, what the actual fuck
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
I did too.
To be fair to ourselves, it was a needle in a haystack of other details.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Lmao
Yeah this was like missing the burnt piece of the meat in between the parts that already went bad
coolsocks00 1 18h ago
Oh jesus me too
Vermillion-Rx Admin 16h ago
Holy shit I missed the entire paragraph, it was even worse....
@Typo-MAGAshiv
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 14h ago
I had seen and responded to the "didn't fuck till 4th or 5th date" but somehow missed the rest.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 14h ago
It's like waterboarding, some of the water is going to overflow and miss
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 14h ago
A tsunami of bad decisions and bad thinking
kernalkrackerz Should i (x1) 1d ago
your being a gay crybaby faggot. enjoy her company until she fucks up like they always do.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Really dude you just joined this site and you're shitting on people despite clearly not having internalized TRP in 12 years. Keep in mind this place is moderated, and this is your first post, which reeks of insincere TRP credentials and you're already lambasting the people trying to save you from certain catastrophe.
You're on thin ice.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
He's replying to his own OP.
I think he forgot to log out of this account and log into his alt.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
I think he might have been trying to reply to you but who knows I'll look
Edit: no signs of it. Probably forgot to hit reply to his intended target
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
This post smells fake to me. Just in case it isn't, here goes...
Married guy here. Met my wife in 2004. She joined my rotation of plates (back before Rollo coined that term). I eventually dropped all the others and married her the following year.
She was over 30 and previously divorced.
However, there were other factors that worked in her favor to get me to marry her. She treated me better than any other woman ever had (only one came close). She fucked me better than any other woman ever had (only one different one came close, and she was terrible outside of sex). I had an upcoming deployment to Iraq, and I would get a shit ton more money by being married. She would also be able to handle my shit for me while I was overseas. Etc etc etc. I was also fully bought into a lot of feminist/gynocentric conditioning at the time. Oh, and I was in LuuUuuUuuRrrRv.
If I knew then what I know now, I'd have never married anyone, ever.
She's mostly good to me, but the rough patch that led to my discovering the Red Pill still weighs on me. There's also this goddamn Sword of Damocles hanging over my head.
Anyway, I'm going to respond to some pieces of your post.
And you haven't grasped what a bad deal for men marriage is?
What would you get out of marrying this woman that you aren't getting now?
I can at least point to material benefits I got from marrying my wife 20 years ago. And I still wouldn't do it again.
You've "followed TRP principals for 12 years now" and haven't internalized that any woman who makes you wait for sex, the sex isn't worth the wait?! FFS, I managed to grasp that in 2003-2004 just via experience when there was no Red Pill.
If she truly wants you, she won't be able to keep her hands off you.
She was after something else, rather than after you.
Ah.
No one can answer this but you. For my part, I married a divorcee. However, she was able to prove to my satisfaction that her ex was at fault.
Only you can decide what you can and can't tolerate.
A) I spent my virginity looking for a fellow virgin to marry. This was the late 1990s and early 00s. I never found one virgin. Not one. If you think you can find one now, good fucking luck.
B) a woman's virginity is not some magic bullet that guarantees she's going to be a good wife. Every slut was a virgin once, and most virgins are sluts who haven't started yet.
C) you're focusing on the wrong thing. Here's what matters most:
1) the fucking laws incentivize wives to divorce their husbands and take half their shit!
2) 50% of marriages end in divorce, and of those, anywhere from 70% to 90% are initiated by the woman!
3) the most common reason given for divorce is that she's boooooooooored and unhaaaaaaaappy
Good fucking luck.
And you're even remotely entertaining the idea of getting married?!
Yeah, post smells fake. Fuck you.
This pic perfectly represents men who call their wives or girlfriend their "partner"
Faggot.
First-light 16h ago
I think odds on this is for real. Whenever they say "this is not a humble brag" its always a humble brag and only real guys wanting validation do that.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 14h ago
That has not been my experience. I see fakers bullshitting way more frequently.
kernalkrackerz Should i (x1) 1d ago
I understand marriage is a losing battle, but at this point I'm tired of just meeting a girl, fucking, then getting bored. this one at least keeps my attention and has a good personality.
and yes, all other girls ive fucked first date and either kept as a plate or dated a while before getting bored. it seems like women can sniff out my success and just throw themselves at me and its a bit cringe to realize that they don't like me, they just want a provider. this girl seems to just want me as her man first and foremost, not my wallet
your right about the virgins, all the virgins I've dated I turned into sluts and ended up letting them loose, they didnt have long term value
yes, I'm considering marrying this girl, maybe in 3 years if she still sticks around.
yea im a big gay faggot for calling her a partner.
Overkill_Engine 2 1d ago
This is a question you need to answer for yourself, do not avoid answering this question for yourself.
Seriously do not skip ignore or underestimate this question. If you have any sense of self preservation much less self respect, you have to practice a minimum level of pragmatic transactionalism because GUARANTEED the second you don't bring what she is wanting to the table, or she gets bored/finds a better buyer/the fried ice isn't hot enough/etc, she is fucking gone with whatever she can take with her no matter how good to her and loyal you were prior to that point.
Take off the romance lenses and FUCKING STEP ON THEM. Kill the romantic within you by any means necessary, he is a retard. Romance doesn't pay your bills, it pays hers.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Congratulations G, if you're tired of meeting a girl, fucking her, and then getting bored, wait until your wife stops fucking you, you get bored AND frustrated, AND THEN lose half your million. Then when you are down like a sick dog while she goes off tindering and partying with YOUR money, while you drink yourself to sleep, only to meet more women, fuck them again (while depressed instead) and then get bored while substantially less wealthy and having your ex wife tied to you, you will realize how foolish and superficial your reason for wanting to get married will be
If you're absolutely that dead set on marrying someone, which you shouldn't, at least don't marry a washed up slut that NO ONE ELSE HAS WANTED TO COMMIT TO FOR LONG for a reason
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Then get a roster. Have 5 girlfriends always satisfying your needs. It absolutely grinds mine (and everyone's gears here) to see a guy try to throw all of that away for a slut who is going to screw you over in 5 years give or take
It's a joke because every LGBT person says partner instead of boyfriend/girlfriend
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
And you think handing her the ability to take half your shit is the solution?
Jackmoter 22h ago
Ok so why do you need to get the law involved? You do know you don't have to get married to have a long-term partner?
First-light 1d ago
There are phases in people's lives. Its normal. Its best not to resist them as they are normal stages in our development and we will be happier if we develop normally but don't go all in on them either because they are just that -phases.
A lot of boys have a tearaway phase like you did. A lot of college girls have a hoe phase and get over it themselves like your woman sounds like she may have. You had the young self actualisation phase where you aim to make yourself the best young man you can be and get set up n life. You are now both in the "I want to settle down and have a family" phase.
You didn't go all in as a tearaway and become a career criminal and you haven't gone all in on the career and disappeared into it. Now please don't go all in and get married.
I have been married and divorced (which I instigated but most men don't get that luxury). I have since then had kids with other women to whom I have not been married and I can tell you there are only two differences between marrying the mother of your children and not doing so. !. If you don't marry her she will nag you unceasingly about not being married but it only hurts your ears. 2. You will sleep well knowing she can't divorce rape you. Life is a long journey. You may think you have it all sewn up safety wise now with your money but where will you be living in 20 years time when perimenopause and wall destroy her brain? What will the laws be like then? How much will you have added to the pot post marriage? Just keep it simple, don't go all in.
You will change, she will change. Many women when they run low on female hormones when the wall hits suddenly become amazingly selfish "I just need to think about myself now". You want to be able to say "no worries love, suits me" and go have some fun.
As in all things, keep your options. It makes you a stronger more useful and therefore more attractive man.
preach 1d ago
There are several issues standing out to me in this post that I'd like clarification on before I offer any sort of direct answers. And fyi I'm divorced. Been married once with 2 wonderful kids. Currently with a woman that I believe I will marry in a couple years.
You state you are 30 years old. How old is this woman you're thinking about marrying?
You mention she's great in bed. Any man who's gotten enough pussy knows the first time he has sex with a new woman, he can gauge roughly how experienced she is, meaning how many guys she's been with. So based on your experience having sex with her, is actually pretty good at it? I can tell you I have been with women who make porn stars look like amateurs and women who claimed I was the second guy they'd ever been with. Didn't believe them, after fucking them I believed them.
Now that you've accumulated a great deal of wealth and you still have a lot of working years ahead of you to continue growing that wealth and your career if you choose, have you engaged the services of an estate planning attorney? Have you considered if putting your assets into trusts makes sense? How exactly are you protecting YOURSELF for the future? What's the gameplan?
Do you want children? Does this woman?
You mention this woman has practically moved in. You also mention that she's been sorta running the household, which is ok. Has she contributed toward any toward household expenses such as groceries, taking YOU out for a drink occasionally?
Does the state you live in have community property divorce laws?
kernalkrackerz Should i (x1) 1d ago
1) Im 30, shes 27
2) Shes good enough in bed. I've had much more frequent and intense sex, pornstar tier, like you mentioned. Just that level of sex came with too much crazy to stick with long term
3) yes, all assets are in a trust, my father is the only person other than me that can benefit from the trust.
4) id like 3 kids, she wants 4
5) she pays me 400 bucks a month for utilities, and grabs most the groceries and does the cleaning. she takes me out from time to time if I'm busy with work and cannot make dinner.
6) no community divorce laws
7) no idea
coolsocks00 1 1d ago
There are no unicorns. Theres a few things to take from that. First, that she’s not that special. Second, that you can never find someone that’s perfect in every way.
Notch count is just one of those things that correlate with certain qualities. There’s no hard rule. Dont let insecurities dictate what you do. Look at her behaviours.
Lastly, dont be naive. Dont marry. You have to disconnect in your mind what marriage really is from what you feel about it. Do something else, create it.
No-Stress-Cat 1d ago
TLDR;
No. Marriage these days to men is a death sentence. Physically, mentally, financially, and eventually literally.
Unless you ARE a boomer, you missed the boat for marrying a decent woman decades ago.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
FTFY
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
True