Some people just can't figure out common sense. There's literally a group of people who lack this cognitive capacity ... then there are guys new to the red pill who forget they have this ability for a time. I'm skeptical that anyone will want to admit to identifying with this post, but there's a good chance others are seeing it in you - and in hind-sight, I wish I'd been self-aware enough a few years ago to know when I needed something like this, so let's see where it goes.
Google describes autism symptoms as "difficulty with communication, difficulty with social interactions, obsessive interests, and repetitive behaviors." Psychologists I have spoken with and examined as part of my career have noted that one expression of autism is when someone compartmentalizes a particular thought process away from all the others, or fails to recognize appropriate contexts or limits/boundaries for expressing that thought process through behavior. Another noted that what we perceive as common sense, they don't comprehend intuitively - they have to learn many such concepts the same way you would have to learn carpentry: study, observation, and practice.
Let's clean that up: autists have difficulty figuring out when to apply good advice and when not to.
EXAMPLES
Consider Sepean's 10 ways to fail at MRP post.
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You don't lift hard enough. Some guy reads this, doesn't actually research lifting or follow a program, but just puts more weights on the bar, then gets himself injured.
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You mistake your idea of a real man for being alpha. Guy has his own idea of "alpha" having a dominant frame, forgetting the importance of the quality of his frame, so he tries to dominate his wife in every conversation and it blows up in his face.
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You listen to your wife. Sepean already foresaw this one and addressed the guy who idiotically ignores everything his wife says, even in casual conversation.
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You're upset your wife is angry. Someone reads this and idiotically stops paying attention to legitimate emotional cues of other problems that don't involve you.
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You think your wife is a puzzle you have to solve. After reading this, you trivialize every differing thought and emotional issue she expresses, making you incapable of distinguishing fitness tests from comfort tests.
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You're angry at how women are. Guy reads this and decides that instead of being angry he'd embrace the nature of women, which idiotically came with an absence of caution when interacting with them, so he gets slapped with a DV charge, divorce, unexpected child support, etc.
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You go rambo. Guy decides not to go Rambo, taking things slow, and 5 years later is wondering why he's still not seeing results.
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You won't play dread. Guy decides to "dread" his wife by making hear jealous as often as possible.
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You half-a it. Someone decides he's going to be "all-in" and starts going Rambo instead, or so drastically changes his routine all at once that nobody else in his house has the ability to adjust or follow his lead.
- You don't switch into dominance and boundary enforcement. The guy reads this, ignores the "eventually" context and starts the process too early, resulting in massive Rambo-like explosions.
Let's add a few more common ones:
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Guy is told to STFU. He literally stops talking to his wife and won't speak during conflict.
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Guy is told to develop a strong frame. He becomes emotionally dead, extremely cold, and completely unlovable.
- Guy is told to AA through fitness tests. Starts cracking AA jokes during comfort tests.
You get the idea.
OBJECTION 1
But Red, most of these posts explain what they mean so people wouldn't make stupid mistakes like this.
You'd think, right? Turns out: lots of guys ...
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Skim rather than read
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Read, but read so much at once that they can't remember half of what they read
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Remember what they read, but don't process it
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Process, but don't apply
- Apply, but only the things they think are relevant
This entire sub is filled with gold. Yeah, there's some crap too. I've written some of the crap myself - stuff I'd go back and change, if I cared enough. I get it. But that's kind of the point. Don't be autistic and do something just because some rando on the internet wrote a post. Look for the guys who have a track record for reliable content. Read through the comments and figure out which suggestions work and which don't. It's often said reddit-wide that the best of reddit isn't the posts, but the comments. That principle certainly holds true here too.
Actually read and process what you read, then test it against your own common sense and instincts.
OBJECTION 2
But, Red - if I've been blue pill for so long, should I really trust my own 'common sense' and instincts?
No, but I'm telling you to anyway. Know why? Because that's what's going to pace you. Yes, your "common sense" is going to push against all of this stuff. But if you didn't have that, you'd apply it all way too fast in all the wrong ways, as many do, and end up blowing up your life rather than fixing it.
Instead, you read a red pill nugget and your common sense says not to do it. Rather than picking one or the other, this tension causes you to test/practice applying the concepts at safe contexts at a gradual pace. As you see it working and you become competent, your common sense adjusts to recognize that you can keep applying the concept in other contexts as well. In time, your blue pill instincts that were buffering you from going Rambo are now encouraging you to expand.
In this, you'll figure out quickly what works for you and what doesn't. And when you see that you're improving, but plateauing in the results you wanted, common sense would send you back to some of those principles you previously discarded. Maybe you weren't ready for them then, but you are now. Pick them up again and get back at it.
OBJECTION 3
But if she's disgusted by me right now, wouldn't a sudden, drastic change be better to show her I'm not the same?
No. I've heard guys say this. You don't change overnight just because you read an internet post. YOU have not changed. At best, your perspective has changed. Besides, questions like this still focus too much on her. Stop worrying about how she perceives things and you be better because YOU want to be better. All I'm saying is that if you want to do that in a way that doesn't blow up your life/marriage, apply some common sense.
The levels of dread are a great reference point here. Notice how you don't even start studying PUA until level 6, and you don't actually practice it until level 7? So what are you doing hitting on your waitress in front of your wife when you haven't even passed your first fitness test yet? It's right there in bold letter: "Move up these levels one at a time, slowly, and carefully, taking approximately 1 month for each level." Slow down. Master the basics before going on.
I still find that revisiting the basics has more value to me than trying to practice "advanced" concepts. Do I learn anything new when I do? Nope. But I certainly remember some things I forgot. And it reminds me that being a high value man, while requiring lots of effort, is ultimately nowhere near as complicated as some men try to make it. Common sense. Don't be autistic.
threekindsoflucky 4y ago
The ones who fail try to emulate the successful guys on here (without the supporting mindset). The ones who succeed understand how to integrate that which is useful without losing their own identify, but instead enhance it. It's the emulators that blindly follow instructions and fuck it up.
Blarg_Risen 4y ago
To add, look at every guy on here that seems like they've "got it". They ALL have a different approach. Because they've adopted "it" in their own frame.
Also, what will ultimately kill this place is not a mob of Reddit social justice warriors...its when those guys decide that their "it" is better than the collective "its"...and decide to break off on their own. It already happening.
threekindsoflucky 4y ago
Exactly it, and I believe this is what you were alluding to in your post
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
Take what works, be aware of the rest, but ALL of these guys are giving the same "got it" message: Establish your own boundaries, standards and your idea of what works for YOU and execute on that vision.
We don't give a fuck what your "it" is.
My "Morpheus" is of the same mindset as every other guy who "gets it" here, but he certainly wouldn't be executing on my vision nor would I be executing his. It would be incongruent. Neo had a different approach from Morpheus because he was self-actualized.
And as time goes on, those different ideas create more men trading notes for new men to help build their own vision. I see more guys "get it" here and they are doing things I have no desire to do - and I still respect the fuck out of them.
Thanks for creating and trading notes, gents.
Blarg_Risen 4y ago
No disrespect. I hope they're killing it.
That said, an analogy:
I respect a woman on Instagram posting selfies in order to create a social media profile because she truly wants to become a fitness coach (striving for personal growth). I don't respect the woman posting selfies because she loves the attention. (Validation whore)
I also respect the woman on Instagram posting for income because incels give her money to (take advantage of those willing to give it) I don't respect if she tells herself she's doing it in order to promote some cause or ideology. (Own what you do)
Red-Curious 4y ago
Well said.
part_wolf 4y ago
It’s not easy, but it’s so simple.
Figure out your mission and what’s important to you personally. Drop the unconstructive behaviors. Then replace them with new, more constructive behaviors. Keep working at it consistently and make changes at a measured pace.
Do most guys do that? Fuck no.
They come here looking for shortcuts and cheat codes and get angry at us for telling them the truth and laughing at them.
keepingittogether20 4y ago
Good post.
I went autistic and fucked things up. Early on I went Rambo as anger mode set in, then corrected course. I then got too comfortable and slacked on lifting/standards and shit fell apart.
I'll be fine. I've identified where I fucked up and am going back to basics (Lift, Read/Sidebar, STFU). My frame, charisma and game all are getting a much-needed boost as I move on to my next chapter.
BobbyPeru 4y ago
I know some guys in real life who are “red pill aware.” Many of them are stuck in the mud, making the same mistakes over and over. Almost without fail, they go on to talk about how they just need to “listen” to TRM again. They keep listening to the same 2-3 audiobooks, and they never really absorbed it because, like you said, it’s a form of “skimming” and too much at one time.
Then, they get ONEitis and dumped and talk about how they are going into “monk mode.” The way I witness “monk mode” with these guys, it’s just a way of avoiding rejection day-gaming. Then a few months later, they meet a new one, get ONEitis....
Rinse repeat.
Their blue pill conditioning is so deep, and they don’t reall want to see it... it’s too much for that ego. One of them even leads a FB page for local RP men he’s so delusional.
Yes , these men know the answers intellectually many times, but their BP default is so strong they can’t seem to use their common sense and go fully autistic.
A couple of them have told me how RP I am and they wish they were. It does absolutely nothing for my ego to see men not willing to put in the work. I am no different than them except I put in the work and continue to put in the work. My help for them is very limited because they won’t put in the work.
It’s really interesting to see it in real life, real time.... the denial, the ego, the anger, the shame, the same mistakes.... etc
This is a good post . Thanks for taking the time.
business---travel 4y ago
Finally, someone else says it!
This has always been my thought around guys banging the drum around monk mode. My biggest pet peeve around guys that claim they are in monk mode is when they mention something along the lines; "I have taken a few weeks off to hang out at home playing X-Box, drinking with the boys, and smoking some weed too! I'll be back on the RP journey in a few months!" - really, WTF?! I see this happen all the time on the main TRP subs from guys looking to get away from the actual work. The same guys that claim they are going into monk mode are the same ones (as you mentioned) get oneitis for a girl and promote her to a relationship after a month or two of dating.
Red-Curious 4y ago
I like the way you put this. I definitely see how the mental masturbators can easily fall into this cycle, while telling themselves they're red pill because that ONEitis "isn't really ONEitis, I've just found a really great girl who is actually worth my time more than all the others."
A good friend has taught me a lot about handyman work around the house. I've been putting it to good use lately. Built a gigantic playground for my kids. Just cut up my deck and added a new set of stairs over the weekend. Cut down a tree this weekend too. I've now built a tile shower from scratch, done dry walling, built a stuffed animal cage for my girls, plumbing, flooring, and more. I've figured out a lot over the last couple years, and am about to work on remodeling my basement (bathroom, bedroom, home gym, theater room - though I do plan on hiring help for some of this).
In all of this, my buddy has a saying: "You've always been handy. You were just too scared to start doing it."
The word "scared" always threw me off until I realized he was right. I was scared (1) of trying and failing, which really wasn't as big a deal as I thought, but more significantly: (2) that once I started doing it, I'd realize my own competency and have no excuses for not doing it later.
I think a lot of guys are in this second camp. They realize that once they begin and see how capable they are of living in light of their innate masculinity, they will never be able to go back to their blue pill laziness without a shame looming over them for failing to live up to who they know they are capable of being. It's easier just to stay lazy and pretend you aren't capable of any better - especially when you have a society that labels efforts to "man up" as "toxic" and immoral, meanwhile encouraging you to be lazy, then punishing you for it when you adhere to those expectations.
BobbyPeru 4y ago
Another variation I see (typically with the better looking , in shape guys) is:
ONEitis -> spin plates -> ONEitis -> plates -> ONEitis
However, they are never really spinning plates. They are able to pull HB9s and even HB10’s, but they can’t handle the stress of spinning plates, so they only spin plates for a couple months, and then it’s back to ONEitis. In actuality, they were never really spinning plates... more like auditioning for the next ONEitis. I have a buddy who does this cycle, and he has been in a ONEitis for about a year now... miserable, but he won’t break it off. It’s just another form of laziness not doing the work. He sees it as her being bitchy, and he can’t see it’s his lack of leadership. I can’t help him much because he’s not willing to see it or so the work. So, I watch the slow motion train wreck. He’s still a friend, but his passive aggressiveness starts to bleed into his other relationships... he’s your standard nice guy.
Good point about it being easier to stay blue pill... ironically it’s easier to put in the work rather than repeating the same insanity over and over. But, that would require an honest admission that they’ve been doing it wrong their whole life, which can be a big blow to the ego.
business---travel 4y ago
God, I fucking love the accuracy of your comments.
BobbyPeru 4y ago
Thanks my friend. Red brought the inspiration- I just expanded
You can learn probably more from in-person friends than on here, but you sure can learn a ton on here also
Red-Curious 4y ago
Something I wish more guys on reddit could figure out. Part of the reason I'm not online as much these days. Too much crap in the real world to get done. Let the internet be a hobby, not the primary.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
I have obsessive interests and repetitive behaviors, so today I learned I'm half autistic.
Good post.
Red-Curious 4y ago
Every now and then I joke with people that I have "obsessive OR compulsive disorder" ... just never the two together. A psychologist laughed when I said that and added: "that's why conjunctions in the DSM matter."
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
What's going on with your flair? I don't see any.
Red-Curious 4y ago
No clue. I assumed that's a mod thing.
Edit: Hey, there it is! Thanks for the fix.
red-sfpplus 4y ago
Thats me.
ApostropheSs 4y ago
You are right about skimming instead of reading, and reading and not applying. I am only a couple months in and there is so much content here and the recommended books that I am devouring. I need to make it stick and to make it work for me. Thanks for the post.
Red-Curious 4y ago
If it helps, re-reading is key. I remember in the first week after I discovered RP reading the top 50 posts at the time, NMMNG, WISNIFG, and most of MMSLP. That was way too much information for 1 week, so I went back and re-read many of these in a better pace. Much, much more useful doing it that way.
business---travel 4y ago
Great post!
I have been thinking about this a lot lately with some of these posts I've read over the summer.
All of the regular TRP subs apply to this.