I can't understate how important cooking for a woman for the first time can be for understanding what kind of person she is going to be in your relationship, apart from how easy the logistics are for getting a lay. And needless to say, it shows that you can lead and direct your interactions with her. Women generally love to see a man in action.
Not only have the best dates I've had (whether it's the first or second date) have almost always been cooking at mine (or hers), because is it conducive to leading to a lay and logistics already down, but you can really gauge a woman's personality from how she reacts to you cooking food.
Does she text on her phone while you cook or does she ask to help, stand next to you, look at your efforts with intrigue or desire? Does she come over to touch you or hug you while you're busy? Does she offer to clean any dishes? Does she take initiative to start doing any prep without you or her asking?
I've seen such a wide range of personalities by cooking for a woman for the first time, especially if we haven't yet been intimate before, but also after we have that kind of relationship already. Without fail the way she reacts to you cooking something for her and you was highly predictive of how she treated me or generally handled anything in the relationship.
A woman's reaction and behaviors to seeing a man cook for her for the first time says a lot about her as a person. Every man should try cooking for a woman and taking note of how she reacts.
Likewise, how she reacts and behaves in the ingredient shopping or shopping in general is highly predictive of her personality as well:
Is she okay with cheaper or generic ingredients? Is she picky? Does she offer to buy anything? Does she add random items to your cart without so much as discussing it with you? Does she let you pick everything? Does she voice if she actually doesn't want something you've selected? Does she give suggestions? Does she text and get distracted while you're shopping? Does she go out of her way to mention something is cheaper that you could have picked or conscientious of anything else? Does she have excitement or gratitude? Does she touch you or get excited just from being in the store with you? Does she get impatient or irritable while you're shopping or make the trip way longer than it should be? Is she a general pain or easy going during the shopping or have complaints about where you choose to shop?
This is something every man should try early on with a woman.
Likewise, also seeing how she treats employees or service staff in general (or people who can do nothing for her) is also a major vetting tell her that is highly predictive of how she will treat you in your relationship with her.
Shop for ingredients and cook at least once with a woman early on. You will learn more about her from that than most of the early conversations you'll ever have with her, and probably get laid from it, too. It's a great second or third date and a lot of women will do it as a first date even if you don't even call it a date. You'd be surprised at how many women will come over for food and cooking when you haven't even made a move yet. It's a great way to see if she is interested in you.
This notion isn't limited to just cooking or shopping, how she interacts with you on any team activities will reveal a lot about her and her relationship with you. Ideally she should help you or at least offer to, if she doesn't you've got your answer on what kind of partner she'll likely be.
~VRX
Lone_Ranger 2 5d ago
Jesus what a brilliant post. Absolutely spot on.
there is so much too this. For example, even just saying 'come over to mine, I'm making dinner' is the first test. if she is not enthusiastic, its a red flag. If she is disapointed, and she would rather go out to a restaurant, i would personally be concerned. She is going to want you to pay. she is going to want to go to an expensive place.
If she were really interested in you, she would be thrilled at the chance of being in your home, alone, where anything might happen. if chad asked her to come over to his house so that he could heat up a can of campbells soup, she would squeal with joy and RACE over to his house. if she is in the least bit hestiant about dinner at your place, she doesnt see you as chad, she sees you as BBB.
(Ps. as an added insult, if you do degrade yourself by bringing a 'date' to an expensive restaurant, she will spend her time being bored, looking around the room to see if there are more attractive men there, and then looking at her phone to see if there are any acual chads in her DMs that might want to rail her and then not call her in the morning.)
Vermillion-Rx Admin 5d ago
Lmfao the amount of personality in your breakdowns is always top notch. Agree on all points
Lone_Ranger 2 4d ago
cheers man. I'm just trying to spell it out for the spergs that still seem to think that a) leading with your wallet is b) listening to what women say they want is going to get them better results.
derdeutscher 6d ago
My current GF went once shopping with me and I told her she can buy whatever she wants. To see what she does.
She went and bought all that you need for cleaning and maintaining an apartment. Afterwards I went to work, I came home to clean apartment and warm dinner. I never asked her ONCE to clean or cook for me.
She could have bought cosmetics for her, fragrances, clothes, but she bought things to clean my crib. Even asked if its ok to buy a small pack of sweets for her.
Not even gonna lie, won my heart then and there.
MrSupreme 6d ago
When i was married, doing the shopping wasn't an "us" time. Everything item in the market, every store I picked was a bother, it was annoying for her, yet going to every department store to see things was mandatory, and was annoying as hell to me. Man those were unhappy times and I keep remembering stuff that point that out.
Fast forward a few years from that and when I got to do shopping with another girl, I picked stuff up and she was just happy to see what I was gonna cook, an excited and curious girl.I made her a delicious carbonara and picked up a bottle of wine, but simpler stuff was met with equal excitement.
Hadn't really stopped to think about it, but now that you say it,it makes perfect sense. Good stuff!
RikiGoesToHollywood 5d ago
Cooking wins with other 'action' dates by aready being in isolation.
A man showing an ability to Cook shows how redundant she is, if she is conscious enough and gives a shit. One might say the only thing she can offer then and there is sex.
It all makes sense.
Lone_Ranger 2 5d ago
Another point: when you do ask her to come over, resist the temptation to make it special. Don't go fancy. Just say 'Oh, I'm making chilli on Friday, do you want to come over?'
if she is actually interested she will be thrilled.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 5d ago
Yes this is important
Also i credit the OG archwinger with getting me to think of this topic:
https://x.com/Archwinger1/status/1902026123753521597?t=Bn7nwEDpP3aH_xetk_iQxQ&s=19
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 5d ago
Heh, this reminds me a bit of the conversation thread that started from when MSNBCorpheus, er, @mentorpheus posted about a book on this subject.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 5d ago
I remember that post. I think cooking has been mentioned countless times across manopshere but doesn't seem to be zerod in as a major form of getting laid anywhere in particular, but even so much less on theory of what also matters from it
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 4d ago
No problem man