Synopsis: Relationships are like a motorcycle ride... the man needs to be focused on the road and his destination in order for the woman to enjoy the ride. If he turns his attention to her she freaks the fuck out.
Body: I think the problems in most relationships stem from men not understanding the difference between the sexes from a biological phycology perspective. Humans at our base instinctual level are the product of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and learned behavior based around survival traits. Women behave the way they do because they can't help their biological (emotional) wiring. Men behave the way they do for the same reason.
Men want sex.
Women want safety and security.
Unfortunately most men think that in order to make women feel safe and secure they have to emote and connect with women to make them feel emotionally safe. While this is needed sometimes, the majority of the time this has the opposite effect. It makes a women feel less safe and secure because her man is acting not like man but like a woman.
I liken it to a motorcycle ride. You are the rider and you are cruising down the road (You living your life). You see a little hottie on the side of the road and you pull over to talk to her (You meeting your SO). This shows her you have some cajones since you weren't afraid to approach her. Upon talking to her you think she's cool shit so you invite her to join you on your ride. You don't ask her where she wants to go because you were already heading somewhere specific (Your life goals). She likes that because women hate making decisions, so she agrees and comes along for the ride (marries/moves in, whatever, she is joining your life).
As you are cruising down the road you are controlling the direction, speed, etc of the ride. You are watching out for cars and other hazards. You are in complete control and your attention is on handling the bike and getting where you had in mind. She is on the back holding on to you, looking pretty, and leaning into turns to slightly assist the handling of the bike. She is not navigating or telling you where to go. In fact if she was you would kick her off for ruining YOUR bike ride. She is an accessory that compliments your ride, gives you some assistance should you ask for it, and looks good doing it.
At some point most men though fall into the trap of starting to worry about what the woman thinks. They start to ask her which way they should go (women suck at making decisions and navigating). They start to focus not on the road and the hazards around them, but on the woman behind them and her feelings and thoughts. They literally turn around and look at the girl behind them.
What does a women do in response to this?
She freaks the fuck out!
I mean why wouldn't she? Would you ride in a car with someone whose attention is on you and not the road in front of them? Of course not.
Most men are to stupid to realize this most of the time. They just sit there and say, "God, why is she freaking out? I'm just trying to find out what she wants."
What she wants is for you to stop worrying about her. She wants to know that her man is taking care of shit and providing for her safety and security. Does she want some attention and love. Sure, but at an instinctual level she knows it is in her best interest to wait for a rest stop or a break to get your attention.
The moral of this story: Make your mission and not your women your priority. You'll be happy. The women in your life will be happy. Everyone will be living there purpose.
csqr 8y ago
This is a fantastic metaphor. Looked at this way, even shit tests are her way of making sure you know where you are going and can keep the motorbike under control. Failing a shit test would be nerve wracking for her, she'll immediately look for a more fun rider.
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Forcetobereckonedwit 8y ago
Fucking beautiful metaphor. I am a lifelong bike rider...how did this not occur to me? Thanks OP. I fucking love this.
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PantsonFire1234 8y ago
There's also the case where she simply will jump rides if she finds some cooler biker dude cruzing along. When I started to act weird and out of my own comfort zone it was when my girl was already trying to branch swing. She didn't outright say it and I only discovered years later when I put two and two together.
It's actually fairly natural (for most men) to pursue their goals and lead their girl on. When a relationship is healthy and the girls affections are plenty full- nothing distracts. But men build a bond and in today's world that's simply a death sentence.
I can pin point the exact week where I suspect my SO to have met her new branch. Due to some luck and knowledge about how she met him I can tell. What was interesting was that moment also correlated with her change in behavior and consequently mine. I didn't behave beta/feminine or otherwise unattractively whilst the relationship harmony was intact. Only when it was shattered did I act clueless. Now I know how to spot it and I act accordingly- next.
Women shift in behavior, interests and composure when they enter another mans frame and your gut feeling takes notice of this. If you're inexperienced and no one taught you better- this could confuse any guy.
That's why it's more important to teach young men to practice independence and abundance. It's simply far easier for a woman to stray in today's tempting world.
UltramanShow 8y ago
You know the unwritten part of this analogy is that if she wants to hop off at any point it doesn't affect you. Your destination is still your destination and you are still going there regardless of her choices.
If she decides that destination is not for her then its for the best that she jumps off.
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
Nothing a woman does should affect you. She will jump for another ride eventually, either sooner or later.
StManTiS 8y ago
New interests or behaviors mean she got another dude 9/10. The 1/10 is a new friend. Either way I have never seen it be internal.
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
Their fucking obvious about it to. My SO kept comparing me to something I couldn't grasp. The usual "You're not this, you're not like that" "Why aren't you like this" "I like guys who are like x" Seemed really fucking weird for her to suddenly think of all kinds of shit she could judge me on. Where as before I was her perfect match.
Then I found out months later who she tried to branch swing to. And realized she had been describing him to the letter in the weeks leading up to our break up. I'm talking clothing style, looks, hobbies, personality, habbits- to the letter. She copied everything. Made me fucking laugh when I realized she had been so thorough.
Helped me put two and two together. This girl claimed she met him after our break up yet he seems to be a perfect match to the 'non existent guy' she kept comparing me to weeks before. The very week she began to copy cat him can be marked on a calendar. Girls aren't even subtle.
Of course she got played, the guy turned out to beta returning to his ex girlfriend and I got my actually great life back. Karma right. Very invaluable life lesson.
grass_cutter 8y ago
Overly simplified bull.
I thought we moved past the "90s sitcom/ Tim Taylor" explanation of male/ female dynamics.
Women also want sex.
Men also want the confidence boost and validation (and some an emotional connection). I've had women use me as a walking sex toy, and weren't really interested in me on a personal level, and the lack of validation from sex was ... new ... and ... revealed that I (like most men) are not that simple in motivation.
UltramanShow 8y ago
It's a metaphor/analogy. Did you want me to go into all sorts of ridiculous detail and write an epic worthy of the annals of history about it?
Yes!
Oh, my bad bro. I'll get on it.
grass_cutter 8y ago
No, the thrust of it sounds like bull, not the details.
Yes, women want you to lead, but your details are bull.
p00pey 8y ago
This right here. THis sub dumbs everything down, and looks at alpha dudes as masters of the universe and women as cum receptacles. It's amusing, but also kind of sad. And also, I'm fairly confident 80% of the shit thrown around here is pure fiction, as it relates to dudes talking about how many models they're fucking without any effort, the girls basically just drop their panties, eat some cum, and promptly get in an uber and go home, waiting for you to call so they can get fucked in the ass before calling another uber...
Take it all with a grain of salt, all of it. The core TRP stuff I believe in and like to read about is the self improvement, not taking shit from anyone in the world, women or men, not getting too caught up in other people's shit, finding your own happiness, etc. The rest of the PUA bullshit is just that, and most if it is fiction...
Lo-G 8y ago
Someone's salty. TRP is legit
UltramanShow 8y ago
If you believe in the core TRP stuff then this should be right up your alley, no?
The core message of this analogy is that you should have a destination in mind for your life and focus on that. A woman, or any other person for that matter, should not ever be your life focus.
THEDICKDEALER 8y ago
Thats a good piece of advice brodi.
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savoryprunes 8y ago
Good metaphor. Solid post. Even a veteran like me got a new perspective on this subject. Thank you for sharing.
UltramanShow 8y ago
Thanks glad I can bring a new perspective.
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Simple, precise, and totally fucking 100% true. Good job man.
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Expectations1 8y ago
Selling a motorcycle is like breaking up, you know you want to try the other bikes, but still got used to to your current one.
I went and tested a bunch of bikes, it felt like cheating on my current one haha.
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KartagoPill 8y ago
I understand now, thanks. It's really hard to find translation to man language.
harprakash 8y ago
Thanks for the content. Btw, 'cajones' are drawers, you probably wanted to say 'cojones'.
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lumberjackinla 8y ago
Women want the seed of the strongest man, while men want to impregnate the hottest woman. Everything else is rationalization. Providers dont play any value at the biological level.
UltramanShow 8y ago
True.
They won't view you as a strong man though if you are acting like a pussy and always worrying about them.
What they say: "I want you to pay attention to me and listen to my feelings."
What their behavior says: "I hate it when you act like a girlfriend and I really wish you had some sort of drive and ambition that doesn't depend on me."
Listen to how they act not what they say.
captainaryan 8y ago
This is a great way to visualize sexual dynamics.
A lot of what I see on here and at AskTRP goes against this: guys trying to gain validation from women instead of themselves.
Of course, it's an enormous and understated paradigm shift coming from being an incel to reach that viewpoint, but as such a visually oriented society, having simple visualizations like this could potentially speed up the swallowing and digestion process for a lot of us.
UltramanShow 8y ago
I think having simple metaphors and visualizations can definitely help a lot of guys in all aspects of life. Unfortunately for most guys our hamsters run just as hard as womens when trying to figure shit out and we tend to over analyze things and get it wrong a lot of the time.
Glad this post can help clear some things up.
Harry_Fraud 8y ago
I hit this situation today. And I reached the same conclusion on my own.
She sent "Daddy" a Snapchat on Sunday but bet I didn't say anything to her regarding her video of the camp kids playing dodgeball, today. Instead I went trail-biking and made that the snap story
Ahhhh that incoming-sophomore coed. Still freaky, yet refreshing. The true tonic of life, these girls.
I found the real fountain of youth, ya dig
Cuz it's like, C'mon babe I know you have it in you...no cookie for the dog that sits when it can also catch a Frisbee running jump off a diving board....I'm trying to steer this damn motorcycle, lady!
It's at that ideal point of knowing/not knowing each other, but having that first-night-fuck sexual compatability...You both know we fuck well together and like, maybe we should date? But also no because you haven't reached the date part yet, so neither party mentions it.
Very rare, this girl's game. She wanted my attention, but instead she got the dick and my respect
Screenp2 8y ago
And people ask my why the first thing I take off my bikes are the passenger pegs.. don't need nor want any type of distraction on my rides thank you.
Solid post bro.
UltramanShow 8y ago
A perfectly valid choice. Not everyone wants to bring someone along for the ride. Still plenty of places to stop along the way and meet people to have fun with during a pit stop though.
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farendsofcontrast 8y ago
Beautifully illustrated OP. It think this post puts it as clear as can be in layman's terms for anybody struggling to understand what relationships should be like.
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capt_behindsight 8y ago
This should be on the sidebar.
I'd add being ok when she decides to hop off since you know there will always be another, and not carrying her baggage (kids, disorders, high n-count) because you won't stay balanced.
Great metaphor.
UltramanShow 8y ago
I appreciate the love.
IDK if this is quite Sidebar worthy. But I'm still working on the writing so maybe I'll get there.
worktillyouburk 8y ago
this makes so much sense. so how do you translate this to everyday interactions? every time i make a plan, shes finds some other shit that happens that day or needs to be done soon, while not solving any of her shit first.
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Don't be a puppet. She's shit testing you. When you make a plan, stick to that plan. If she comes up with a different plan and you go with her plan, she is just pulling the strings. If she comes up with a different plan, give her the green light to follow through with it, but tell her you're going to stick to your plan. She'll either get pissed off (most likely contrived) or she'll follow your plan. Either way, there's your answer.
UltramanShow 8y ago
^ This right here is the correct answer.
Run your plan. If she wants to jump off your bike on a detour thats her choice. She is an adult. She can make her choices. If she wants to be in a relationship with you then she will either start making choices that show that or she is telling you through her actions that she doesn't want a relationship.
Either way you are still heading to your destination.
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So you only want to be with a woman that has no plans of her own except to serve you?
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Infer what you want but neither of us implied that. Simply put, if you make plans and she plans on top of your plans, she's most likely shit testing you. Follow through with your own plans and let her know that she is welcome to follow through with hers. A win for both of you.
UltramanShow 8y ago
I want (and have) a woman whose plans and goals align with and support mine. This is the leaning into the turns portion of the analogy.
She is going to the same destination as me and she is assisting me in areas I need it along the way.
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That sounds all well and good. Would you give the same advice to women? Find a partner who aligns with and supports your plans?
UltramanShow 8y ago
No. Which is the whole point of TRP.
There are differences between the sexes. Women are more happy when they are supporting a successful man, not the otherway around... despite what society tells you.
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CoClairvoyant 8y ago
What analogy would you give about social media?
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pdpbigbang 8y ago
Unfortunately women work more than ever and can provide for their own safety and security. They are used to making their own decisions however flawed they may be. Your metaphor is a wishful thinking and it's playing off of male bravado of how things should be, not how the reality is. The red pill has to be GROUNDED to reality first, not entertaining like a movie.
farendsofcontrast 8y ago
This is the reality that they subconsciously crave. Everything you mentioned is the made up baloonie world called "The Blue Pill".
UltramanShow 8y ago
So in what reality are you living?
I don't care if a woman is "independent" or can provide for her own safety and security. The cornerstone of TRP is that AWALT because of their biological wiring. Even the ones who are providing for themselves.
Those women just want a man to come along who can take control. Even they don't want a man who is focusing all his time and attention on them instead of his life and goals. All women (AWALT) want a man who is in control and focus on his goals, not one that is looking back at them worrying about their feelings/needs/wants when he should be taking care of shit.
You seem to have missed the whole point of this metaphor.
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p00pey 8y ago
I agree with a shit ton of the TRP theory, but a lot of the shit talked here about women relates to a very specific type of woman. Young, not a lot going on for themselves, etc. That's what makes them easy to game. That's why the theory relates to going after 25 and younger, after that they hit the wall, etc. And these girls that get gamed like this are also hard core manipulators themselves. Thus they feel comfortable in this game.
In reality, more than 80% of the women I know can not be gamed like this. I don't exactly hang out with 21 year olds, so not sure how it goes there, but in my younger days I gamed plenty of the youngins to know they can be gamed a 100 different ways, not just this TRP way. If a bitch wants to play the game, she'll play it her own way but also be a lot more succaptable to getting played too.
So yeah, all these theories about interacting with women apply to a very specific breed of women. ANd that breed is the minority. Now I fully understand abundance mentality and all that, so with billions of women, you'll find plenty that will lock into your mentality, but a very small amount. That's why a big part of the PUA game is hitting on a 100 women an week. You think any of them are getting even 5 of those in bed?
It's a big ass numbers game. Honestly, you can run any game you want, as long as you're not a 400 lb uggo and have decent confidence, and if you hit on enough women, you'll bang a small % of them. And no you don't need to have some herculean physique either. How long you'll be able to maintain plating them is a whole different story, and again will depend on what their intelligence, self respect etc is.
TL;DR: A big chunk of the TRP theory is basically a numbers game, using a very specific technique to manipulate. And there is definitely a group of women out there that will fall for it. It's not all that special...
But a lot of the non women gaming stuff I agree wholeheartedly with as it relates to TRP theory...
bokehnikon 8y ago
Theories such as hypergamy, alpha/beta dichotomy, maintaining frame? Seems to apply to the majority of females out there.
"PUA game" is just one small corner of TRP.
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p00pey 8y ago
There is no formula. Even these girls discussed continuously on TRP that jump on the alpha dick and ride the carousel can't be gamed with some simple formula. There will always be subtle nuances to each woman and what buttons you have to push to give her the tingles.
All the shit TRP advocated, which is focusing on yourself, increasing your SMV, confidence, etc applies to all women. Not putting them on a pedestal goes a long way. But if you think being aloof and calling a chick twice a week to suck your dick and take it in her anus is going to work with a majority of women, well I got bridges to sell...
To answer your question, confidence and masculinity are definitely universal. Not being a beta bitch is absolutely a must, but you can't be full alpha 24/7, most women with any level of self respect will bounce after a while. But I think that's what a lot of what is discussed here is about. Plate a bitch for a bit till she comes to her senses, and then move onto the next. More power to those that want to play that game, not really my thing...
Beyond that, I can't really answer your question. My life doesn't revolve around trying to pick up any and every half decent woman I meet. I get mine through natural interaction in natural environments. Being in NYC doesn't hurt, the ratio is skewed towards men having and advantage, but you also have a lot of money hungry bitches that I wouldn't even want to waste time gaming/plating just for a fuck. I'm in my 40s now, and sex isn't the only thing on my mind, nor would I ever consider a LTR unless the sun/moon/plato and venus all aligned. I'm very happy with my life, have plenty of hobbies that occupy my time, I travel the world, have a diverse group of friends, and all of that gives certain types of women the tingles for me. Just being myself is enough for the amount of action I care to engage in. And that's more than what I need out of life...and is also at the core of the TRP ideology. Live your life for yourself, find your happiness, and women will naturally be attracted to you. That's the one thing about TRP that confuses me. The dichotomy of claiming that life is about finding your happiness etc, but then seems like the most hardcore Terpers are utterly obsessed with pussy, as if that's the end all to everything in life. Does not compute, but it's the internet, and I take what makes sense to me from this sub and leave the rest of the bullshit behind...
bokehnikon 8y ago
True, but note the OP carefully laid the foundation that both sexes have "built-in wiring" regarding the roles of the sexes. Humans have been around for 100,000 years in anatomically modern form and have evolved over millions of years before that. 98% of that time was lived in a short and brutish existence. Feminism and women having "fabulous careers" has been around for barely a generation or two.
The "independent" career woman just wants an even bigger Alpha than the other girls. That's the only difference.
AWALT
p00pey 8y ago
100% wrong. This and what a lot of TRP implies is that all women, regardless of how smart, independent, self respecting, will jump on a derliect chad's cock any chance they get. That is wrong. Yes they're all looking for an alpha, but they can generally hold out for an alpha that isn't a convicted felon, and also has a lot of other high qualities that they might be looking for...
bokehnikon 8y ago
Funny, I didn't get that vibe from TRP. No, I don't imagine every girl's Alpha to be a tattooed band member. I imagine an "independent" career girl's Alpha to be an investment banker who is 6ft tall and making high 6-figures. Spend some time in Manhattan, the hypergamy capital of the USA, and you'll meet plenty of those types.
p00pey 8y ago
We must be reading different things than. That's the exact vibe I get from 90% of TRP. Pretty much everything is framed as, 'she's got her BB, but she's banging the chad with no job blahblahblah.' I know a lot of it is hyperbole, but that hyperbole frames a picture of women as wanting nothing but badboy losers, and all will ALWAYS cheat on their nice guy provider etc. That is not the reality in the real world. Just because a lot of us have been burned by these types of psysho bitches doesn't mean every single one is like that. All women want their cake and eat it too, I'm not going to deny that, but the perception of women here is delusional. And I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that too. But it goes against the narrative, and small sample sizes of very specific types of women that the dudes here interact with are used to build the narrative further. And it's fueled BBs that finally discover this sub and it all makes sense to them because they've been caught up in a mess with the worst of the worst type of woman. I've been burned by my share of crazy bitches, and I'm not sitting here acting like they're all good decent, logical beings. And AWALT applies to a lot of shit. But not the full narrative being pushed here...
You know it, I know it. But that's not as sexy as talking about how many hb9s any of us are plating at any given time. But hey, it's the internet, my opinion of something is as valuable to you as yours is to me for the most part. I jsut feel bad for the angry dudes that read this shit and try to behave in a certain manner. It could be downright dangerous. Justs today I read about some dude trying to go full TRP and getting fucked up more than once, physically...
p00pey 8y ago
I'm in NYC, believe me I see these bitches day and night. And I avoid them like the plague. I'm also not a banker, nor 6'2 blond haired blue eyed. But that doesn't mean every woman in NYC is like that. That's the exact point I'm trying to make. I know plenty of women in NYC that don't chase every rich banker chad around. Women that are very attractive, but also have a lot of other shit going on in their lives...have their particular preferences for whom they fuck/LTR, etc...
I fully subscribe to evo psychology, but if people can't understand that most of us have the ability to use our brains to override EVERY single instinct, than those people don't understand what differentiates us from monkeys or any other animal...
evileddy 8y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxYbcbCgkc
Many times with every girlfriend they tried to start up fights while glued to their phones and I am trying to concentrate on driving safely and they are doing their best to make me angry or upset... while I'm driving a car??
Just stupid behaviour.
cubicpolynomial3 8y ago
I think you missed the point of the post.