Your post is way too long dude. Fuck you.

Hey man, Id caution against this wording. While I would agree that straight out cold approaching wont get you far--particularly if you live in a small town, I would have to say that even in a small town, and even in a gym...as long as you have the comfidence (frame), you can litterally do whatever the fuck you want. So long as you are sincere in your actions, it don't fucking matter what you do. Case in point: I go to the same gym every day in a small town. The chick that works behind the desk is a blonde HB 5-7 depending on ur standards (mine are pretty fucking high as I can tolerate the dry spells), 22 y.o. College chick. Every time I walk in she gives me shit. (I play more of a being a dick with a smile game--seems to do ok). The last time I walked in, she gave mea bitch face and said, "eww." I walked up, looked her square in the eyes and told her the only time a girl gives a man shit is when she wants to fuck. She immediately blushed, and smiled with the doe eyes--u know what I mean. Now I will say that what you were getting at was social calibration. In my instance, there was nobody around for her to be embarrassed. Cold approach all day if you want! Just be aware of your surroundings. I will say though, at a regular place, the slow game is ALWAYS the best shot. Totally agree. Just say hi and introduce yourself. Leave it at that really. You will see her again to build more of a connection over time.

Why the fuck you lyyyyin~

Seriously, this is the dumbest thread ever posted. You aint shit

I would agree that spamming a cold approach is never going to generate good results. You would have to do this all day just to get a handful of numbers.

HOWEVER: Going about your day and smiling at people, keeping your eyes open for attractive women and IOI's goes a long way. If I see anything that might indicate interest, I approach. But I would never tell someone to just walk around hitting on every sausage wallet that walks by.

It would nice to read a good post about hiring a pro in the US. While some might downplay it as being beta (pay for sex), I think that it would be an experience I'd like to experience once to understand the dynamic, particularly in the event that I am presented with the opportunity in a more legal fashion abroad (ie. Germany). Anyone know posts or resources?

Okay, completely confused what 'cold approach' is. So essentially, when you go to a venue with a mate, a girl clearly checks you out, you approach at an appropriate time, i.e. coming from a bathroom, ordering drinks, smoke, whatever, then that is already NOT a cold approach? And when you literally stand near mall fountain, waiting for a girl to pass just to talk to her, that IS cold approach? P.S. who would do that? People actually buying that advice?

Been saying it for a while now, you need a reason other then:

"Your hawt", "I wanna stick my dick in you", "I like your (physical feature here)/Your (physical feature) is so beautiful"

to talk to a woman, period.

The most simple thing is comment on an accessory or her shoes and say your niece would love them or something. But honestly even that isn't as powerful as catching an IoI and just saying "Hi".

Without an IoI approaching cold the only way to generate excitement is via your looks, you have to be so hot to her that she is getting wet looking at you. There is nothing for the hamster to get riled up about. She knows you hitting on her because you think she is hot, mystery gone so unless your ungodly hot it's a lot of work and effort, if it even works now a days because of the PUA hysteria.

versus

Catching an IoI and just calmly walking over and saying "hi". Now the hamster has an endless supply of things to run with. in fact my theory is most cold approaches that work usually just the guy getting a good break and actually missing some IoI but still hitting on her at the right time anyway.

When the hamster has energy to play, the vagina gets wet and so does your dick. A bored hamster means a dry dick.

As far as gym game goes, especially If you only go to one gym, is to do any approaching and closing on the way out, or in the parking lot. If the IOIs are there or even if you just said 'hi' in passing, you benefit in the following ways:

• You don't interrupt your workout

• You don't get rejected 'on stage' at the gym and maintain your image.

• You aren't going to get reported or cockblocked by a beta cuck trainer who then proceeds to get your membership pulled for 'inappropriate behavior' which can be further amplified in the event that you fail an approach.

• Her ASD is lower, as she isn't 'on stage' and is more receptive to approach.

• Upon leaving, you have a better chance of going straight for a coffee insta-date, which you should be going for anyway over a n-close.

If you're at a gym at a hotel, or on a guest pass somewhere you never go though, you can toss all this and just approach and do whatever since odds are you wont be going back there. Context is very important.

Cold approach is one of the most valuable skills you could ever learn, it puts you in direct control of your dating life.

However like any skill worth learning you have to work for the skills, calibration and empathy required to do see any kind of results

Reading through the way some of the guys on this sub think, they dont stand a chance. Women would destroy them. They lack self control, no way they can take control of a women if she gave it to him

Thanks for writing this out.

Best advice I've seen on here about game.

Running direct spam approach "natural game" is the fucking worst form of game and in my opinion for peasants. I don't even consider it game.

Sad this type of game is still getting taught and used. If you need to approach 30 women in a day just to fuck one, you don't have game.

Back in the old days, as in decades ago, there was a technique called Stroking. It was how you get a woman to talk about themselves. It involved listening and adapting i.e good game.

It involves rapport and creating a conducive atmosphere. Then all the hidden innuendo can run riot. Like a good movie you don’t speak the premise.

So cold approaches need to establish this or have it preestablished by IoI. Much better to small talk and kid around with sales girls.

Agree completely with this post, OPs thoughts are pretty much along the lines with my own thinking. In general, the better looking you are the more successful you will be in approaching women, but logistics have to play a role as well. It has be the right context. You wanna know why I have absolutely no problem approaching girls at concerts, bars, and clubs? Because at the end of the time I likely won’t ever see those bitches again. Plus, the place is so busy, nobody would care if my ass gets rejected. Now if I hit on a girl where I frequent such as the gym or work? You betcha my image and reputation would be garnished especially if shit goes south. Solid post.

When most guys I've seen do cold approach it pans out like OP described and it ends up backfiring. The guy gets a bad reputation and basically screws himself and that's why a lot of them have to travel to different neighborhoods or areas where nobody knows them.

Don't see a lot of counter arguments about cold approach. But you hit it spot on. This is why I don't run around cold approaching in my small town. You come off as desperate and needy. NO OPTIONS other than to run around asking for numbers. Like you said, people see it, and it lowers your SMV massively.

I Don't know about night game as I mostly daygame. I don't have time to do night game and I live too far from any Good night game venues.

During daygame indirect approach is king. You can do a few approaches at the mall, but it always must seem like you just happened to be walking beside her and made an off hand remark that sparked a conversation. That maintained plausible deniability. As OP says, maintaining plausible deniability is vitally important, even on the approach. Everything has to seem like it happened by accident and is eased in. Never go direct during daygame, for most guys it doesn't work. Indirect has worked best for me.

Same principle for gym "game". Treat it as a multi-day affair. You just happen to be working out on a machine or squat rack near the girl. You just happen to make an offhand comment about something gym related, you're just being a friendly guy. You talk a bit and get back to your workout but Don't ask her for her number, you'll likely see her again. When you see her Next, don't boldly walk up and talk to her, talk to her as your walking by on your business and leave. Maybe third or fourth time you see her say that it would be nice to hang out in an offhanded way.

I've studyed pick up and social skills since 2009, I lift, I'm fit and dress well, guess what? I'm 29 and I've fucked only 1 escort, 0 results from cold approach ( thousand of sets in a lot of cities in europe ). I'm short, bald and ugly, girls reject me harshly. The whole PUA industry is a scam.

Most men are scared of women and they can tell.

Every failure that occurs from doing a cold approach in the same area can damage your SMV exponentially. I used to watch dudes come into the college bar I worked at and go from one girl to another cold opening. If a girl sees another girl shoot you down in front of her your odds of success are near zero unless you are extremely good looking. If a girl sees multiple women reject you, nothing can save you.

Good one for you guys: Say jokingly: "Would you like to have the privilege of going out with me?" Then, if she's receptive, say "If you don't want your friend does, look at her face, how jealous she is".

Another: If you're at a party where alcohol is for free, ask her name then ask if you can pay her a drink.

You already won for being funny.

The greatest thing about being good-looking, I’d say is the rejection is taken with a grain of salt by the girl. It was “cute” and “lighthearted”, and the the gym doesn’t transform into an unbearably awkward setting, if you’re calm and collected. I have had girls show up the following day with even more provactive attire.

The purpose of cold approach is to practice. These are usually done in highly populated areas where no one judging you will see you again.

tl;dr: Ugly? Don't approach.

We definitely need more posts dedicated to not doing things, especially over-written, highly hamstered ones like these.

// , This seems to almost imply that there is rarely such a thing as a 100% 0-degrees cold approach.

Like 0-kelvin in real life, it is impossible to reach this except in the cold vacuum of space.

Even in a foreign country, your approach has some background to it, and people need to learn to take advantage of it.

People will take section 4 the wrong way, though.

You getting the picture? These guys are known by the girls in question or recognized as being officially established in that environment. Take them out of it, and they'd have to start all over, or at most get little success. Let me repeat, the 'cross contextual chad' is mostly a fantasy. YOU LOST YOUR STATUS THE SECOND YOU LEFT THE JOB. You don't get to leave the 'gang' then drop by and expect the privileges. As an employee who engages with these girls, you're at least a part of the 'group' and have a reason to be there. That's all gone. That's why the same behavior you displayed while employed was no longer deemed acceptable.

This resonates with me. I used to work as a bouncer for a while and had endless women trying to fuck me. Once I left and went back to school, I had the worst dry spell of my life since I had become so dependent on that circle.

This is why you adapt. Gym is not a traditional pickup venue. It is, however, a social venue where you can be friendly with everybody.

Your appearance is only one part of the equation for a girl, so don't be limited by it. Girls are not as shallow as we are and tend to look past men's shortcomings if they feel strong emotions. If you have low self esteem and believe that the girl will reject you because of your looks, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.

So how to game at the gym? Be friendly and talk to everybody. Guys, girls, newbies, etc. Don't give advice unless they ask for it, but offer it to newbies. If you are the newbie, people are usually happy to demonstrate and help you out. Organize an event and invite people to it. This way the girls you invite see you in a different context where you are the leader. If they can't make it, take pictures / videos and post them on instagram so they can see how fun you are. Once the girl is out you game her normally.

Cold approach is all about calibration. If you go direct you put a lot of presssure on the girl. If a direct approach hits, then the rest is pretty easy. Indirect = less pressure, less intent, so you can build more comfort and then indicate that you are interested. It's important to have a buyer's frame regardless of the style of approach.

Even if you just know her on a friends basis, if you get her alone in a bedroom at 3 am there's a high chance that something could happen.

Can you feel the black pill slowly creeping in and taking over?

You need to be atleast average in order to cold approach. I have two friends. One is 5'6 and the other is 5'8 (so not tall at all) and the 5'8 guy is average looking at best. Both have done superbly well in the cold approach setting (I am talking about europe). You don't get a leeway because you are good looking. You get it because you are not acting like an autistic creep

Thanks for calling me good looking.

so, I should not cold approach?

Should be sidebar material honestly.

The vast majority of guys will have to use some sort of indirect game.

Basically, if you’re a celebrity or top 10% Chad, you will find doors swinging open for you just by your very presence.

The rest of us have to knock first.

Cold approach is overrated. Not saying don't do it. But as this post greatly illustrates - it is extremely circumstantial. Success is only narrowly possible.

Too many autists here take the advice that you should hold approach to extremes and do exactly what the OP says not to do and cold approaches when the situation doesn't call for it. Then they post their cringey field reports here.

I've had success cold approaching but you really have to thread the needle and make sure the criteria is met. I've also never approached without getting an IOI first. I see too many posts here who discuss cold approaching without getting IOIs and I root for the person to get rejected.

It's true that looks are important for cold approach, but I believe charisma is considerably important as well.

It's bad if you're ugly, but it's worse if you're both ugly and go up to the girl with a terrible posture and a shaky voice.

If you're ugly as fuck then make sure you're aesthetic and stylish as hell.

Build a social circle or join one while simultaneously approaching on occasion and see for yourself if it works or not (don't spam, you'll make it worse for everyone). Calibrate, be socially smart, become aware of your weaknesses and work on them.

Be social with everyone at the gym so when you get to the gym you want everyone to be saying hi to you, girls will notice so if they happen to be next to you and you casually strike up a convo they'll just think you're like that with everyone.

That implies that you should be already going to the gym, you peasant.

Rule #2 cannot be stressed enough

Idgaf what these wannabe machiavellians think, reputation and image matters a lot.

There's nothing more damaging than a bad 'sexual reputation' like rapist

What should a man do if his angry ex GFs and ex Plates spread the rumor that he is a rapist in a small town?

solid post and the ending example is exactly what one should base cold approach on. approaching is context sensitive.

Why is this post upvotewd at all? Outsiders bang more chics than anybody. And if you understood Red Pill theory and evolutionary psychology you'd know exactly why woman prefer outsiders. Don't listen to this drivvle Go approach bitches, bitches. You fucking pussies!