Links: https://www.rooshv.com/men-are-wasting-their-time
https://www.rooshv.com/men-are-nothing-more-than-clowns-to-the-modern-woman
The current dating is not to the advantage of women. It definitely isn't good for most men. A woman gets nothing in getting pumped and dumped day after day only to end up a spinster. More often than not, she's getting random hits of dominance from men who are just dangerous enough to trigger her tingles but safe enough to satisfy her feminism fueled ego.
An exceptional man, on the other hand, can have his pick if only he is ok with losing some of the advantages a civilization would give him. A family, kids, a loving wife is the trade off for pumping and dumping hundreds of women. You might never sire children to further your genetic line, which is the fundamental goal of fucking, but hey... you can fuck those bar sluts all you want. Until men realize that this is a quest for fools gold, nothing will change.
Roosh, after years of being a PUA, nails the problem perfectly. He has openly admitted before that only in a society of decayed moral character can a PUA thrive. As I go through his older writing and the recent ones, I've noticed the difference in his writing and his realizations.
Men want to build something and be the leaders of that something. Women want to belong somewhere and to be loved within that. This used to be the family not so long ago. The respect they gained was a derivative of the well being of her family. Now, it's their own feminist circles. And the respect they derive from this circle is based on sticking to the party line and denying nature.
As women have made their choices to forego family, men have been forced to change their focus to pursue these vacuous women. As a side effect, men are becoming vapid too. In my journey, I've come to understand that women feel sexy when men are chasing them. But they're only happy when they're chasing an exceptional man, trying to win his approval and love. Nothing makes women feel special than to be acknowledged by such a man. But such men, these days, are getting increasingly rare mainly because of the behavior (and the choices) of women themselves. Whether you want to enjoy the decline or to build yourself up is up to you. Nonetheless, these articles are well worth a read and a consideration.
redshieldheroz 5y ago
I want to ask a question to enlighten me. So I read a comment about you can only love a women or understand them.
With already the RP knowledge. There is no coming back. We can understand and see women.
But I want to ask if you can rationalize love, accept the women, play the manchevalian tug of war. Will it play just fine?
Im capable of going on my own way. As I love adventure and experience than setting someone in the pedestal.
But the purpose of men is to create men who will build societies. So the idea of 'having a child of my own is open' in the later part of life but not marrying.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
If you have RP knowledge, you can't have the puppy love for women that society expects you to have. But you can indeed love women. But that love won't be puppy love. It will be conditional, just like a woman's love. You demand a high standard of behavior and reward her with your love if she abides by it. If she doesn't, you should punish her by abstaining.
Almost every trp journey starts with quantity and ends up with quality.
If a girl is genuinely feminine, you should reward that. If a girl is actually fun to be with, you reward that. If a girl is trying to test you or trying to make you chase, you punish her by completely withdrawing your love.
She has to prove to you that she is worth committing to. I am at the stage where sluts do not interest me. Sure, I might fuck them if they are low effort, but I don't expend too much energy on them. I don't respond to shit tests from sluts because I don't even consider them worthy of shit testing me to begin with. Funny thing is, sluts shit test you the most and I eliminate most of them pretty early on. You do not have to be a serial seducer. But you do need to be good in seduction. I would recommend you to listen to Patrice Oneal's Black phillip show. I might end up writing a post soon on game. I would suggest you to check it out if you can.
redshieldheroz 5y ago
Thanks for the thoughts. I will check that.
The next post of yours on game. Will you relate it with Neil Strauss? Im not interested in his books but I just read him in wiki and here in reddit that he was divorce and such.
I will definitely wait for your post.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
I have not read Strauss's book or even mystery method. My reading was mostly from RoK, Roosh, TRP sub, a lot of youtube in-field videos and of course, practice. In game parlance, it is mostly going to be about Inner game. I have found that what works for me is just having the right attitude and maintaining the proper frame from the very beginning. I do not have to go through a lot of shit that PUAs go through because I am not looking for quantity to impress viewers or readers. I do not worry about being a wordsmith because your attitude, delivery and body language makes most of your communication.
I am a big fan of Patrice O'Neal and his core teaching is that for your relationship to work, your girl has to see you as being better than her. My theory on game, based on this, is very simple: make her chase you. Do not chase her. A successful pickup is one where she asks for your number or where she is dropping hints all over the place that she would want to meet you again. Number close is for newbies who have to go through quantity to get the proper mindset. Be polarizing: either encourage the girl to eliminate herself or encourage her to acknowledge that she will be the one chasing you.
I can point you to some of the comments that I will use to base the post on since this might take a few weeks to consolidate, stream-line and make it part of a series (since this is not a seduction sub) that answer women asking the big question.
You can find it here, here, here, here and here.
When you are done reading, let me know what you think.
Boggob15 5y ago
Roosh although wise (from years of experience), will/ and is inevitably going to cuck himself. I remember reading a post he wrote on "the misfortunes of the good guy and how the world will change them". He's been depressed for awhile and hates seeing the world fuck it's self over. But if he thinks sacrificing his dignity to start a family with a tramp stamp or a chameleon is for his own betterment he is sadly mistaken.
In our current age of technology, you can start a family without having to engage with a women who will screw you over (Surrogacy & babysitters).
DO NOT FALL FOR THE TRAP.
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Is this Roosh V? He legit wants rape to be decriminalised if done on one's own property.
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moorekom Mod 5y ago
True. Like a lot of PUAs, he made pussy his mission. Is it any wonder he now is burnt out and feels unfulfilled? But that said, it was his decision to make. He will now have to live the consequences. Roosh is very good at getting laid. But keeping women around might be his issue. Mystery was the same. As soon as he had a girlfriend, he developed oneitis for her and got fucked hard.
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moorekom Mod 5y ago
I share your opinion.
frikabg 5y ago
I am sorry but I find Rooshe's opinion retarded.
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Really... men are doing that? In which reality do you live to yet again blame this on men I wonder? :\ in 'Men are wasting their time' first paragraph Roosh admits it himself that men are reacting themselves because women and society have become too toxic but i guess they should stop adjusting stop carrying on and just continue taking hit after hit on the chin? O_O MGTOW is a direct consequence of the world treating society badly also the main idea of MGTOW is to build yourself up because building a life with a woman is extremely risky or impossible if you are not attractive and yet it is somehow not good enough because again in the first paragraph the author says:
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I am an average dude who is visiting the gym 4 days a week, I am also chasing 'material toys' of some sort my go to toys are computers but that is me there are plenty of guys who like bike some like cars others want to buy the latest sound system either way it is a matter of using the money you earned to get ownership of something that is making you happy! Every single men around me is the same this is the moving force behind the civilization that we know it people want to chase better life and in order to do that they are becoming materialistic. Could this be bad? Yes everything that comes close to an extreme is bad but is it if applied in enough quantity? HELL NO!
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I can also confirm 10/10 times this materialistic thing that I aimed for don't make skin-deep difference they make a WORLD of difference! Would I feel happier if I have a grown up mature wife that loves me and support me someone who I can trust and someone who I can have family with? HELL YES! But that is not realistic and that is not happening in this day and age! Women are poison and are off the table for obvious reasons so all I and people like me have left is working on myself for myself! I didn't choose this WOMEN chose this they decided to become too much of a drain and risk to the point where I don't want to talk to them.
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2 days ago a friend of mine and I went for a walk the weather was nice and all so I said why not. He is 33 he turn to me and said 'I wish I could find a good woman but I can't all that is left at this point are single mom's and women that are too damaged and I am so sick of being used for cash and favours by women that at this point I don't think it is worth trying finding the right woman.' This is a nice hard working men who spend his LIFE literally being a white knight blue pilled mangina.
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Roosh is a full he is talking about creating a family and how men are focusing on owning shit as a result of women and society like it is theirs fault as a man I can say with 100% certainty FUCK THAT! FUCK YOU ROOSH! STOP BLAMING MEN FOR THIS BULLSHIT!
moorekom Mod 5y ago
Remember that Roosh is a PUA and most of his audience is too. He wishes for a family and a loyal wife. He is frustrated that this is not possible because of the reasons you have stated. I don't think he is blaming men for this situation necessarily.
frikabg 5y ago
I believe the part where he is frustrated but not the part where he is blaming men simply because it is written down that man should wake up. The focus is on men fixing things in order to fix their lives but the truth is that when women let us down and the government let us down he is holding men responsible i mean just look at the stuff he write down. Men are focusing on the materialistic stuff, some group of men (the elite) is ruling over the majority of the world men this men that. It would be perfectly fine for me if he spend as much time blaming women or society as a whole but instead the men focus of his articles is how men are at fault and once again how they have to fix this... Fix what? Fix women and their diseries? Unless he makes women submit to men 100% which would mean literally making them a second hand citizen I don't see how he or men in general can fix anything and control the outcome of the results because no matter what fixes you apply in this day and age women having a free will and the right to vote will keep on voting for more free shit and for more rights for themselves which ALWAYS come at the expense of men.
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Good post.
The sex isn't what damages these men. It's not having sex, or sex with a lot of women, or knowing or dating a lot of women. Men are built to have sex, have lots of sex, and spread the seed far and wide.
What damages these men is when the sex becomes an end in and of itself. What damages these men is having no other purpose or plan than knowing where the next fuck is coming from. What damages these men is having to constantly keep a woman close by for validation so they can masturbate into her vagina whenever they feel they need to.
What damages these men is having no life purpose, no mission, and nothing to live for. And one of the main reasons these men have nothing to live for is that they'll never have families or children of their own.
And because they won't have families or kids (or did have families and kids, but they were ripped from them in a divorce), they have nothing and no one to build anything for. Why should they build anything? They have no one other than themselves, and they don't need much on their own. All they need is enough to live on frugally, enough to retire cheaply in their 50s, enough to keep them fed and housed and in a hobby or two they enjoy. And men don't need that much on their own.
Women forego family, but only until they're in their 30s, at which point they get desperate. So they want family; but don't marry until it's too late, and then they have their one Down Syndrome kid.
I for one don't agree that the sex harms men. It doesn't. Not as much as it harms women. So I would tell men to go out there and have the casual sex they want to have. I'd tell them to get comfortable with having casual sex with women who want casual sex with them. Because most women today ARE ok with casual sex for the right man. Just be the right man.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
We have to consider the fact that Roosh is primarily a PUA. So is the primary audience he is directing this to. Most of what you are saying fits them very well. These are men who chase after women, spend a lot of time and money in chasing after women. I know because I was a fledgling one myself for a little while. Some of them even define themselves by their notch counts. We cannot hold them to trp standards. Roosh, I believe, is in the process of redpilling himself. He has chosen to go the religion route but I doubt that that will be end of his journey.
As for casual sex, I agree that men should be free to fuck any girl who wants to fuck them. Personally, I do not approve of fucking chicks in relationships but I do not wish to grandstand on that. I think chicks who are into casual sex can, at best, only be girlfriends. Don't wife them up. Don't live with them. With them, she is not yours. It's only your turn. So, reap the benefits but invest low.
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BoskOfPortKar 5y ago
Fucking women (often multiple partners not knowing each other) was killing me from the inside.
Then, I found my wife at 20 yo... who had "everything", even though she was an 8. I stopped all my sex friends and became faithful. 25 years ago.
Of course she cheated once. But that is life. Some men can take it. Others can't.
EDIT: improper use of "riding the CC" for a man changed.
Charlamagme 5y ago
U rode the cock carousel and it destroyed your insides? Lmfao
BoskOfPortKar 5y ago
I corrected.
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So you were having sex with guys, met your wife, she cheated on you, and you're faithful? Did I read that right?
BoskOfPortKar 5y ago
Not guys of course ;=) But whores will be whores. Real men don't care. And I could be "unfaithful" when relevant. There are no more vows. Just transactional on a daily basis. She'd better make my life awesome till ...
RealityBitesU 5y ago
Till what? They find a cure for your weaponized autism?
frikabg 5y ago
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When? When they are 20? Maybe when they are 30+ definitely not most of the men i met at that age were a lot more interested in a woman who they can have/create a family with than someone to fuck and dump and that is considering that most of the men i am talking about were ignored by women throughout their lives(which makes them a very good candidates for your theory).
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Professor-Spam 5y ago
Why?
Fabianstrategy1 5y ago
I wouldn’t claim to be Chad but I’ve slept with probably 30 women in 15 years (married for 7). Having this much experience with women just makes relationships vacuous and pointless. It gotten to the point where I don’t even see them as people anymore but more of a past time.
Flesh_Pillow5 5y ago
Please elaborate as I'm headed there
Fabianstrategy1 5y ago
https://www.rooshv.com/men-are-wasting-their-time this is a pretty good summary. They’re just junk food for the soul.
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squeakypancake 5y ago
I agree with you.
Obviously a lot of people will talk about the difference in women's declining fertility (women have a small window, while men basically have a barn door), which is a legitimate point. But much as with women, I think the real damage is done to your soul. People here talk about women developing an inability to 'pair-bond.' This appears to be a real thing. I've even had personal experience with it. The claim is that men don't have this problem. But honestly...have you read the way that actual PUAs writing changes over time? Maybe men have a little bit more wiggle room here than women, but it's not unlimited, as some people like to pretend.
I've been reading Roosh for well over a decade (not religiously, but I pop over to his website(s) from time to time). He has gone from shameless and eager in the early days, to somewhat bored and listless (but still convinced that what he was doing was essentially virtuous -- or at least not unvirtuous) to...whatever he is now. He seems to actively hate his lifestyle and much of his past, and talks about it in a way eerily similar to how a 40yo spinster might talk about her party years...a certain wistfulness, but also a much more sober understanding that it gave her absolutely nothing of lasting value. This seems to happen with a lot of PUAs. Some of them get married eventually. Do any of them ever end up happy with it?
FatKnob 5y ago
There's also the chance that she's married (sometimes Chad is left out of the loop), and finds a jealous spouse on his tail!
Professor-Spam 5y ago
I disagree, but I appreciate the thorough answer.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
You handled it very maturely. People, this is how you state your opinion without debating.
"Have an opinion. Don't let your opinion have you."
-Patrice O'neal.
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I see what you are saying, but I also disagree in your regards for why it destructive for men.
Unlike women, men's bodies don't quit on fertility until much later. Which means men can be 45+ and have kids while women usually cant.
Not to mention, the thing that make women valuable throughout western socieity (looks) isn't the same as men. Men more often than not get more valuable as they get older due to increased salaries and wisdom.
Ultimately, it is your own opinion, but women suffer for riding the CC too long, not men.
zaze12 5y ago
Also,to have a lot of sex men have to display value and be able to do it,women just have to say yes.
usa_foot_print 5y ago
Yea but men’s sperm go downhill as you age. Your children would be less fit if you wait
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That's a very vague statement. What kind of money should a man in his 40s be making to keep up with their physical decline?
And that still proves the point. Men on average tend to be better off single in their 40s. Especially if they want to settle down and have a family.
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So to make up for being an in shape balding 40 year old, you need to make around 250k a year to get women in their 20s? We must be looking at different things...
At least where I'm from in California, I've seen many guys making between 60-85k landing good looking women in their 20s.
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I'd say a mix of both. Better looking guys bring less to the table, but have better chances at them. Average looking guys may have that stigma of a provider, but there are plenty of chicks in their 20s that are good with that. Most likely using them, but they still get it.
The best one's my buddy gets are from the local colleges. He's an average dude in his late 30s making around 70k, but he has them on rotation.
loneliness-inc Mod 5y ago
Good article except for one thing:
He seems to buy into the whole conspiracy thing. There's no master plan to corrupt society. Each person who plays into the game is responsible for their small degenerate contribution to a degenerate society. Personal responsibility fellas.
PolukranosEatsWords 5y ago
Right. There's no central planning to all this. It's like a force of nature operating on its own.
When we look out to nature and see all the patterns, it wasn't a design created by mankind's hand. I don't see why patterns regarding human interaction/sexuality should be any different. Sexual selection is an ancient machine that grinds on through epocs of time.
Maybe this has to do more with our psychology. Perhaps it's easier to fathom existence when you personify it? Ancient humans did it their own ways by creating god's and myths. Maybe we fulfil that same desire by envisioning humans pulling strings... How is that any different than Zeus lodging thunderbolts?
Hillarysdilddo_2016 5y ago
So... a group of people setting curriculum in university... I mean they spoke and decided to promote Marxism post modernism feminism cultural Marxism. Then they taught it to everyone. So we can say they conspired to do so which has negative connotations because of CIA psyops to promote disinformation campaigns to counter resistance.
Now that’s just one level... the university. Now add in government, ngos, non profits, corporations, media, social media, and ... really? No one discussed this idea? Only basement dwelling neckbeards noticed a phenomenon and came up with “conspiracy theories”? Like there’s literally no ones job in a think tank to try and figure out how social changes can effect the economy? Productivity? Retirement? Worker pools? Wages? Policy? Demographics?
Weird thought that no one discussed this and implemented it. “It just happened” awalt. Lol
loneliness-inc Mod 5y ago
Individuals come up with ideas which they try to promote. Some mean well and others mean ill. Some are successful and others fail.
The reason why idea x takes off with overwhelming success and idea y fails and gets buried, has nothing at all to do with the promoters of the idea. It has everything to do with the masses who accepted or rejected the idea!
Example, most big tech giants live in a small part of northern California and have a certain worldview. I'm sure some of them mean well and others mean to exploit. Regardless, they hold a lot of sway because they control the tech industry. They can choose who gets to have a voice and who gets to be silenced.
On the surface, we can say: the big tech conglomerates are conspiring to mold the world into their ideal version. In a sense, that's true. They are indeed trying to do that.
But who gives them the power to do this? Why can they decide who has a voice and you can't? Why do they have this power and you don't?
It's because millions of people Give them power through their actions. If everyone stopped using their services, they'd lose power instantly.
Same with government and with anything else.
You may not be powerful enough to rein in big corporations, but you can do your part to not empower them further if you don't like what they're doing. It's useless and stupid to blame others for your problems, it's much more useful and more difficult to look inward and find out whether you're contributing to the problem.
So no, feminism didn't "just happen". Feminism transpired due to millions of small choices by millions of people. Sure, it's easy to blame the preachers of the feminist religion, but that would be assigning responsibility onto others and you know who's notorious for doing that, right?
Hillarysdilddo_2016 5y ago
You have valid points and we don’t disagree as much as it may seem. My main complaint is people too easily dismiss things as “conspiracy theory” when they are literal conspiracies... ie more than two people discussing a plan and then implementing a plan.
I won’t digress into off topic debates but I’ll just say this line of thinking that “individuals hold power” is complete nonsense that has been the demise of the right. The individual cannot defeat the monopoly. That’s why governments and laws exist (anti-monopoly laws). This is also why libertarians are doomed to fail as a political ideology. Atomized people have no power. A single user cancelling their FB account does nothing to the beast.
I’m not saying it has literally no effect, but you need more powerful tools than atomized, individual action.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
True. His article is shared here because he nails the problem with the genders. Not because of his conspiracy theories. I, personally, agree with your sentiment. Is there someone behind social changes? Who knows. It still doesn't change what you need to do to counter it. Focusing on who instead of why is a stupid mistake.
frikabg 5y ago
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I don't want to be a dick but... REALLY? :D Who knows? I am surprised that most people don't! I have lived enough at this point on this planet (no sorry only on this one :P ) to say one thing with 100% certainty! People(men and women) love power and money! A lot of us are willing to go far and beyond in order to obtain them and the only reason to be on top is to be as immoral and unscrupulous as possible! Money, power and empires are being built on the back of others. You want to be rich? Find a way to exploit other people to work for you and produce a product that earns you 1000$ while you pay them in wages 100$. The closer you are to the top the dirtier your hands will get. There is a competitive company that is stealing your workers? No problem we will bribe someone to push a law and make them move their main factory, or get a new law in or go blow up the owners car or buy said company and than do the rest with every competitor. Once you are on top you can bribe yourself into everything and in this day and age you are untouchable. Your only job is to literally buy off or make anyone who starts climbing up the ladder fall and when you have so much power and money you don't know what ot do with them... it is really not that hard.
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It isn't so much as a people meeting in some sort of secret society as it is a human greed! I want all the shiny things for myself and if other people have to be enslaved to do it meh so be it!
moorekom Mod 5y ago
I agree. Still, it does not change what you need to do to counter it.
There might very well be a conspiracy to promote certain issues by a select group of people. But trying to find out who is doing it is not going to solve anything. Conspiracies aside, the simplest cause and effect reason for most of these phenomenon is completely economical, as you mentioned. It only takes a group of rich people who pressure and lobby government to make certain decisions because it is beneficial to them. Incentives are the reason why society goes a certain way. Look at the average salary of a CEO three decades ago and look at the salary of a CEO right now and you can tell what they would do and did do to further their interest.
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No, men are forced to do the math and ask themselves, "Is it worth it?" With the marriage rate and the frequency of sex down; a lot are saying, "no".
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Men change the world, women are to have babies. Men's priority is change the world, and then sex. The women's priority is to mate and stay with the best guy she can.
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Ghenis Khan kept on conquering lands even though he could of stopped half way in his life. Half way through his life, he could have had sex with different women every day until he died - he was that powerful. Instead, he kept on conquering. Men's primary goal is to change the world; not be a slave to vaginas.
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Nice! As they also say, "Men are here to advance civilization, women are here to make more men."
MarzMonkey 5y ago
I'd rather put my savings on red at the roulette table than marry someone of my generation; they crazy.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
This is the very attitude that is fucking us up. I agree that it can look this way, but if AOC and Hillary Clinton are any indication, MANY women are not interested in just babies. They want power - MEN's power. And they are getting it.
Stop underestimating women. They are using foolish ideas like this to seize impressive amounts of power in the US. Look at the last decade of changes in Sweden for what happens when women take control.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
Agreed. Don't underestimate your enemy.
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Women want relationships. How many F up spinsters over the age of 40 would trade in their voting rights just to be 18 again? All of them. Feminism is giving women more "power". That's because blue pilled simps are allowing it. However, when there is a war, or a major catastrophe, women will be standing behind the men. Men change the world (or allow women to), but we are the gender that gets things done even if that means giving "power" to women to allow them to destroy our society because of stupidity.
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Men need to understand this. Without men, women would be nothing. If all men understood this, than woman would have no power. Sweden is cucked, but if the men there stood up for themselves, things would be a lot better for EVERYONE there.
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Eh, ghengis khan destroyed most worlds. And his formula made his off spring kill each other off. His lasting impact was only thru raping every woman in every village/town/city he conquered.
What he did was worse than Hitler, had he the same tech, he’d be considered just a foul.
It today’s world Jeff bezos can’t even keep his aggression down since his life support wife found out about him being Unfaithful. Whoever his enemies are, they made sure to remove the thing that kept bezos level headed.
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Ghenghis khan establish trade routes connecting europe to asia. Ghenghis Khan was religiously tolerant and allowed people to worship as they please. He did not rape every town/city/etc. He gave them a chance to join his kingdom first. If they resisted, he would then sack the city (rape, pillage, etc. what the majority of conquerors did at the time, i.e., standard operating procedure). His kingdom was based on a meritocracy. He united many warring factions in china. He was only one of a few conqueror that died peacefully in his sleep. IIRC, there has been research that suggest 10% of all asians have his DNA. Hilter is not like ghengis khan because hilter believed in genocide; Ghenghis khan did not. Also, Ghenghis khan's sibling were relatively peaceful among themselves compared to the infighting of rulers in Europe.
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If you don't want to use Ghenghis Khan as an example of men's proclivity to change to world instead of chasing vagina; how about alexander the great? Charlemage? Heck, Nikola Tesla? Chasing shirts came in 2nd place, or not at all to a lot of men.
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Hahaha, ghengis khan was tolerant to the 1% he didn’t slaughter. You weren’t even allowed to live if you didn’t have a skill set that contributed to his cause.
I’m not arguing men changing the world, I’m arguing using examples of war mongers as a poor example.
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moorekom Mod 5y ago
Thanks. I'm adding this to the post above as it not only accentuates the points there but also ties it to the theme of the sub.
Edit: This also goes very well with a post I wrote here. Roosh is a great example of an AF and it is no wonder he's feeling what he is feeling.
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Clown world before it was a meme.
Logandanielsboi 5y ago
And it’s mens fault for being simps and putting up with it
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Someone should post this on dating advice and OKC and a few of the other subs to try and red pill some of the guys there. Most of the people there are cucks and NPC's but we might be able to reach the younger guys. Roosh was a big influence in my eventual blackpilling, even if he annoys me and i think he is kind of a fraud. He jumped off the PUA band wagon when most of the autistics realised PUA was bullshit.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
Whatever he is, he has some salient things that we can consider. It has been said that you will know a lot about women by being the man she cheats with rather than the man she cheats on. As a PUA, roosh has a better understanding of women than tradcons ever would.
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In fairness to Roosh i think he has been deeply affected by the death of his sister recently and he was clearly pretty depressed about his life before . I think by cheating with all these women you're right. He has learned more than he really wanted to about them.
I have said for a while now i think there are two kinds of men in the world. Those that can love women and those who understand them. I came to understand them i think Roosh has probably come to wish that he didn't.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
PUAs chasing after pussy and feeling burnt out after is not a new thing. Unless you have a mission in your life and treat women as the accessories that they are, you are not going to be content with life. I mentioned here in another comment that Roosh is a perfect example of an Alpha Fucks. But, he is not an Alpha Bucks. AF guys rarely stay AFs for a long time. Only a few of them retain that mentality of quantity over quality. Most guys would rather have one chick who will be loyal to them and would rather concentrate on conquering the world rather than to spend time chasing vapid women.
PS: Check out this post if you want on AF vs AB.
theoracleofosiris 5y ago
That article in 2014, he starts to see PUAing for the clowning it is. You can’t outalpha society and the state. The modern female has female nature on steroids. You’re replaceable. Even a 2/10 can get 100s of msgs on tinder in half an hour.
He’s come a long way from his ridiculous advice on how to avoid a false rape accusation.
In the end, all roads lead to mgtow.
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frikabg 5y ago
Unless you work for the mob and she knows if she leaves you she will get killed there is no way to make sure she will stay. The biggest issue is the LAW because according to the LAW she owes 1/2 of your shit regardless of who did what when etc. You as a man have the right to take care of her and the child and she has the right to milk the fuck out of you!
moorekom Mod 5y ago
With lower smv chick, it's a matter of time.
If it's apparent to her she can't, she will leave and he would be that abusive asshole.
With higher smv,
She feels sexy. But she doesn't look at you like you're worthy of respect. Women in love will change themselves for the guy they're in love with.
anrii188 5y ago
Thanks for sharing. Interesting reading by the way. I will be following these articles i guess.
Does women with good morals values and behaviors still exist? I have my idea about that but i want to hear your opinions..
sleepyweaselisawake Mod 5y ago
No. Women are fed a steady diet of praise and validation from puberty to the time they slam tits first into the wall. Women have no use for morals or good behavior because no matter what they do the result is positive reinforcement for their behavior. They don't learn humility until they've aged out of the dating pool or become single mothers. Suddenly, sometimes overnight, they have morals and values but only for the purpose of convincing a man to pay for the lifestyle they're entitled to.
The best thing you can do as a man is improve your SMV as much as is possible. Leverage to meet women 1 or 2 points below you, enjoy sex or a relationship, but never forget it's temporary. When things inevitably end, move on to someone else as quickly as possible.
frikabg 5y ago
I spend some time thinking about that and the issue is not only women but men. Men's morals are being erased mainly because being a moral law abiding citizen in this day and age is not profitable and society is punishing you if you are being a good person. 'Good guys always finish last.' is a very good saying simply because 1. It is right and 2. Is a perfect example of where morals get you.
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Since women don't have morals and men are being stimulated not to who is going to teach the next generation? No one! The good part of men is being killed by everyone since being good is bad for you as a person and you can be good as much as you want to but when you are dead or out on the street homeless it does you not good now does it? :)
sleepyweaselisawake Mod 5y ago
The good part of men is being killed by everyone since being good is bad for you as a person and you can be good as much as you want to but when you are dead or out on the street homeless it does you not good now does it? :)
A man who is good to himself, looks out for himself, improves himself, and looks out for himself is not going to end of dead or homeless. A man must be selfish with his resources both time and money in order to be successful. In the end everyone dies, that's inevitable. Why accelerate the process by stressing over making some woman happy?
frikabg 5y ago
It is not about making women happy the point is that if you do everything you mentioned above you are turning into a ruling class person who has a lot of money and power and you are doing it only to serve your own purposes. A point which Roosh is complaining about because apparently having a lot of cash and power as an investor of a corporation or other means is bad and defending those interests and making sure you keep those things is even worse.
It also doesn't change the fact that you can't be a selfish ashole and be a moral person at the same time you have to pick one.
sleepyweaselisawake Mod 5y ago
Living below my means, investing my money after taxes, and using my earnings to make myself happy does not make me the "ruling class," it means I learned at an early age to maintain a budget and live well. Believe it or not almost everyone can do the same thing. You'd be amazed what can be accomplished when you're accountable to yourself.
"A point which Roosh is complaining about because apparently having a lot of cash and power as an investor of a corporation or other means is bad and defending those interests and making sure you keep those things is even worse."
Worse for whom? Worse for people (typically women) who want to coast on other people's hard work? Worse for people who work at dead end jobs, but refuse to ask for a promotion, work toward and education (even if it's one class at a time), or seek better job opportunities?
How am I being a selfish asshole? I pay taxes on every penny I earn, I pay taxes on my capital gains, I pay taxes every time I purchase something. I think that's more than enough. If you have a problem with the government programs distribute that money go out and vote. I already help fund welfare, roads, schools, slush funds for politicians, the list goes on. The rest is mine. I'll spend, invest, or donate as I see fit.
frikabg 5y ago
exactly my point(s)! There is nothing inherently bad at looking after yourself and your well being since no one else will when you are a man and you really can't blame other men for doing the same family or no family since either way the outcome is the same. Blaming the elite for wanting the same thing you do (money and power) is just being retarded since if you didn't want money or power you wouldn't even have a problem with them having it. This is why I am saying Roosh is full of shit.
How are you not a selfish asshole though? You see a woman being hurt down on the ground because she was just hit by a car you go you help her she takes you to court because you did cpr on her and caused her pain. You end up paying her compensation because you did the MORAL thing and helped her out OR you walked away and let her suffer. This is just a simple example and let us be honest in this day and age unless you are dumb you will do the selfish thing and walk away because again your number 1 priority is defending your own self and interests! By helping her you are risking losing a lot and gaining nothing so why bother at all? Being a selfish asshole is not a bad thing it is a survival mechanic at this point and for those who choose the moral path good luck to you just remember 'No good deed goes unpunished'.
sleepyweaselisawake Mod 5y ago
"Blaming the elite for wanting the same thing you do (money and power) is just being retarded since if you didn't want money or power you wouldn't even have a problem with them having it."
There's where we differ. I don't care about money or power. I pursue comfort and happiness. Money makes both of those possible because I can pay my bills, pursue my hobbies, and will have a comfortable retirement. If by power you mean attracting women, great! But, they're a fringe benefit, not a goal.
Choosing not to help a woman is not being selfish. Maybe I don't know how to do first aid and I don't want to cause more harm. That's not selfish. That doesn't mean I won't call 911 and stay on the scene until help arrives.
Furthermore, a woman's suffering is not my problem, especially if I didn't cause it. Single mom? I didn't have sex with her. Low wage job? I didn't push her to get a gender studies degree. 100K in student debt? I didn't tell her to take out loans. Gets treated like a pump and dump? Can't find a "good man," wasted her youth drinking, partying, and living well beyond her means? All choices that have absolutely nothing to do with me. So, why should I lift a finger to alleviate the suffering of someone who won't appreciate it nor lift a finger to help themselves unless they're reaching for my wallet?
moorekom Mod 5y ago
Women of character are not born. They are created by men of character. So, if she is still surrounded by men like this and is brought up in a circle that respects it, then yes. But still, you have to make sure she gets her validation from such a circle even after your commitment to her.
TrumpCardStrategy 5y ago
Likewise for men, which is why the plague of single motherhood is destroying us. It’s very hard for a single mom to raise a man of character.
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Great answer to an often contentious question!
This is an almost Nietzschean, empirical observation. Great stuff!
moroots 5y ago
indeed. fellas, if you have never listened to The Black Phillip show with Patrice Oneal, you should before getting into any kind of relationship.
one of the maxims Patrice teaches is "it's all your fault,"meaning that as a man it is your responsibility to shape the relationship and build your woman into someone who has value beyond her pussy. most women enter into a relationship only offering sex and nothing more, as a man it is your responsibility to make her more, and show her how to behave herself
plus it is just a goddamn hysterical show, Patrice was a funny motherfucker
brewmastermonk 5y ago
You can say the same thing about men.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
Not really. You can see a lot of guys raised by single mothers find their own way and become the father figure they desperately wanted in life. How many women can you say the same of? Women need someone to guide them. Men will find their way. It might take a while, but they always do. Men have to define their own path and walk it, whether it be positive or negative to society.
brewmastermonk 5y ago
Nah, I think this claim needs some statistics to back it up. We need a break down of how many men are raised by single mothers and compare their chances of going to prison to men raised in two parent households.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
Check this post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre/comments/bmlgq9/the_child_support_catastrophe_by_dalrock/
Hillarysdilddo_2016 5y ago
You have more patience than me... I just see “source? I’m gonna need a source for that. You call that a source? Haha lol haha.”
freenrich 5y ago
I'll probably get downvoted for this, but I used to use seduction and PUA tips to sleep around with women until I met my current girlfriend 11 months ago.
I see her every day and she is super affectionate. She was a virgin before I met her, and she seems to genuinely be in love with me and completely uninterested in sleeping with other men.
I know most of you will assume she's either lying to me or that her love for me won't last. But I do believe there are still girls out there with good moral values, they are just super rare.
So if you find one don't fuck it up!
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The less sexual partners a woman has had the more likely she is to be able to pair bond. You just have to keep bad influences away from her and hold frame for the rest of your life. Remember when dealing with women. Trust but verify. She doesn't need to know but always keep a close eye on her to make sure she isn't cucking you with Tyrone or the boss. If you have any children with her, check the paternity of them. She doesn't need to know.
frikabg 5y ago
This is the disgusting part for me not only do I have to live my life think about myself but I also have to keep one eye on her 24/7 simply because she can't be trusted. If women were adults like men why would I need to do that? I wouldn't still here we are!
PolukranosEatsWords 5y ago
It's this part here that gets me. Life had ups and downs and everything in between. You can't be strong 100% of the time. Health, finances, things are fragile.
frikabg 5y ago
The part that gets me is that a woman that I marry is suppose to be there to SUPPORT me not be a constant drain on my sanity. Why the fuck would I want to get together with someone who is a constant drain of money time and mental health? Just so I can have a kid which is going to make matters worse? Yeah thanks hard pass! I have no issue with sacrificing however if I am the only person that is doing the sacrifices...
moorekom Mod 5y ago
Why do you think you would be downvoted? If she is really a good girl, then good for you. Make sure she is a good girl and make sure you never put her on a pedestal.
freenrich 5y ago
Sometimes it feels that going against the attitude that literally all women are immoral whores on this subreddit can result in downvotes.
frikabg 5y ago
I am one of those guys you mentioned in my eyes ALL women are immoral and whores because there is simply not enough proof to state the obvious. However I am also a strong believer in 'in every rule there is an exception' because well that is a simple fact. So you say I found a moral trustworthy woman! I can say 'Good for you I really hope that you did!' and I really wish you all the best however nothing lasts forever. Women fall out of love a lot easier than men and when they do they can still destroy you on every single level. Those are again life's truths and they must not be ignored.
BluepillProfessor 5y ago
Women being immoral whores is not an awalt. Women being immoral whores if you let them is an awalt!! Men do not have to let them but for that you need a father and husband with options, game, and a dngaf attitude that will not tolerate whore wives and daughters. In short, it is an Awalt when she has no strong men in her life.I
Where are all the strong men! Right, they got me too 'd.
Thus enjoy the decline, and your cats.
frikabg 5y ago
That is the issue men can't stop them since chances are you will be breaking a law in a non making her pussy wet kind of a way. :) You can dngaf all you want right until you get arrested for being a strong men than you will have to give a fuck because you have no other choice.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
As long as you're not white knighting or debating, feel free to state your mind. Why would you let someone else's opinion stop you from sharing yours? Points you get or lose in an internet forum are not worth anything in real life.
Edit: I have to clarify here that if you do get downvoted, it will be for attitude like this.
Don't put her on a pedestal. Just because other girls are shit does not make her special by contrast.
freenrich 5y ago
Awesome! Yeah very true.
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Hillarysdilddo_2016 5y ago
Then you are a weak man who is not in control of his emotions. A man decides to enter or leave or stay in a relationship. He does not “fall in” by accident or through fate.
Fuck that. Leave now.
Just what every man needs a bitchy, abrasive, constantly fighting girlfriend just so he doesn’t feel lonely.
You need to be better for you. Not for anyone else. When she grows tired of you for being beneath her, what will you do then?
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Hillarysdilddo_2016 5y ago
That may be true, and I apologize. The problem is men get fed a lot of unhealthy shit about how they should be and your comment triggered that in me.
That’s not true at all. But okay we can agree to disagree. You don’t want a submissive woman and that’s your preference.
That’s good. It’s good to have people you look up to and get inspired by.
I still propose it’s much healthier for male-female relations (and for males in general) to be the best you can be on your own. And your motivation should be for yourself. A good woman will help a man grow but a woman is most satisfied when the man is a strong, self motivated leader.
Based on your first comment alone it just seemed like a relationship set for disaster. That’s all.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
This is you putting pussy on a pedestal.
This is you shaming him to make sure he falls into your frame and back up your ego investment. Consider this your warning. Next time, you will be banned.
u/Hillarysdilddo_2016, hit the report button next time.
Having said that, Dalrock put it perfectly when he said that men are expected to have responsibility without having the authority. If she expects me to be the leader in the relationship, to be the shoulder to cry on, to be the bedrock of the relationship and to be the pillar she can look up to, then she better submit 100%. I won't take disobedience when you expect me to be leader. I don't like back seat drivers. Either I'm in charge or we're fuck buddies with no intention of ever getting in a relationship. If that makes me an egomaniac, then so be it. I don't know who convinced you of this bullshit. If this is your girlfriend's belief and you think it's right, she's playing the long game. She has a better frame than you and you have already succumbed to it like a punk. On the other hand, if this is your belief, this is why you fight. You not only let her get away with drama, you believe that is necessary in a relationship. Drama is for bitches. Men expect structure.
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moorekom Mod 5y ago
Not only have you tried to shame a member of this sub, you have tried to shame me and guilt me to follow your frame after I pointed out exactly what you are doing. In game parlance, what you are doing is called as amoging. I know it very well, I've done it myself and if this had been directed at me, I would have laughed at your face. My anger comes from your attempt to slyly amog a member of our sub.
It is wonderful that you are fighting for men's rights. But there is a reason you guys have not won and might never win. It is because of your belief in gender equality and that men and women are wired the same but just built differently on the outside. Read some evolutionary biology and try to read some old age wisdom. I'm sure you are going to call them angry barbarians because you are so modern and human psychology does not apply to you or the woman you are interested in.
So you are fine with talking about dual mating strategy in abstract, but it makes you uncomfortable to think that it might apply to you as well? Your mistake here is the same as the one you tried to convince u/Hillarysdilddo_2016 of in an earlier comment. You are looking at all of this in a very negative light. I wonder what you are doing in our sub if you strongly disagree with us in the first place. PPD or bluepill might be a better fit for you. Your understanding of male dominance and female submission as a man forcing a woman lying beneath his feet to suck his cock is your problem. Not mine. Seduction takes a willing participant. Submission is the same way. How do you think BDSM works? You think all the women there are getting raped?
You are getting banned. You have been debating in this sub while it is not allowed. You have been shaming a member of this sub to try to make him conform to your beliefs. And to top it off, you still continued debating after being warned.
UltimateCurryCel 5y ago
Isn't Roosh a terrible guy?
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We don't need more kids, we still need more kids that have been raised to be functioning adults.
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BluepillProfessor 5y ago
The opening scene of the movie diocracy explains this.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
And who are they from?
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moorekom Mod 5y ago
Look around at the single mother profiles in the main sub. Now tell me, who are the parents of these kids?
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moorekom Mod 5y ago
That's plain to see. I'm asking to question why that is and who it benefits. Who do these washed up sluts fuck? Who are the fathers of these bastards? What effect would this model have on a society?
BluepillProfessor 5y ago
Strap in and watch because all your answers are on the news every night.
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moorekom Mod 5y ago
What do you mean?
anyoneinamerica 5y ago
Sometimes i wish that you guys would not delete the morons' posts so the rest of us late to the party can observe and learn. It could be useful to have examples of dealing with these dolts. Guns with extra ammo is better than ammo and no guns.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
It's mainly done so that they don't come back, edit the comments and ramble on. In this case, it was just a girl who was being dismissive and flippant since this sub challenged her views. I'm sure you can find the original comments in removeddit.
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Rooshv is an outed white supremacy supporter and pays for sex. He is full of shit
Hillarysdilddo_2016 5y ago
Doesn’t every single man on earth pay for sex?
What’s a “white supremacy supporter”?
Is he like a fascist or something?
moorekom Mod 5y ago
Maybe that's true. But it still doesn't take away his point. You need to learn to view opinions objectively.
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I pay for sex with a cute blonde hooker sometimes. Draining my balls every few months helps me focus and its a minimal drag on my time. I wouldn't exactly describe him as a white supremacist. He isn't white for a start and most of the "alt-right" shunned him probably because he promoted a degenerate lifestyle.
I myself believe in equal yet separate just as Malcolm X did. I believe countries should be partitoned along racial lines and different races should not mix as it creates significant problems of sexual inequality and leads to genetic mediocrity as each races specific gifts gained through tens of thousands of years of selection are diluted.
As a black man for example, if you let your daughter marry a white boy your grand son will have a tiny dick and never be in the NBA or the 100m sprint.
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What about IQ? Africa is getting colonised by China.
frikabg 5y ago
I just can't understand why people are hating so much on the whole concept of 'He supports whites!' or 'He supports blacks!'? 'Look at this guy ma he is racist!' When it comes to everything in your live it is ok to take X instead of Y because X is something you simply like better. But the moment you apply race here it is like you killed someone! Yeah I like working with white people only do you know why? Because the huge majority of population in my country is white! Because most of the time (not always MOST) when i deal with people who have darker colour of their skin I was robbed, beaten or had some other bad experience. If I need 2 employees and i get 2 applicants 1 of which is white and one is black I will hire them both pay them the same and expect them both to do their job. Interestingly enough mainly white people are being called for racism and mainly they are being held accountable because for some reason non-white people can't be racist. What I also find really fascinating is how although white people are the most tolerable they are also the biggest villains when if we take for example some countries in Afrika owning a fark and being white will get you killed and you land given to a black family because whity is bad OR if whity decides to go to China or Japan and expect to be treated like a yellow person he won't be. There are plenty of countries who are racists as FUCK and in those cases they not only don't hide it but are proud of it yet people don't give a fuck because whity is evil and bad and reparations and other stupid nonsense lol. :D
Hillarysdilddo_2016 5y ago
Lmao