June 6, 2022
Read all of these posts first:
Where are all the men? Checking their "male privilege"....
Well, the Good Men are Gone. They "Woke" Up
Then watch these videos:
Woman has words with men in road rage incident then is attacked Start the video at about :58 for the pertinent details. Watch what happens with the woman in the baby blue shorts.
Women think they can do anything they want, mostly because men have enabled that, and make it possible. All functional societies have a societal compact: Men don't attack women, men don't rape or kill women. Men show kindness to women. In return, women are polite to men and have some modicum of basic respect for men. Men or groups of men will protect women from peril if it befalls them, and will take some reasonable steps to get them out of that danger. In return, women do what the men say and show some gratitude.
What's changed now, is that women feel entitled to do and say anything they want anytime they want. They don't have to hold up their end of the bargain. They don't have to show any respect, deference, or gratitude. But they can still expect men to hold up theirs: Show extreme self restraint, and put themselves in harm's way to protect women.
The only reason women can move through society as "equals", doing and saying whatever they want, is because men play along. The primary reason men play along is because almost all of us know that if we do not, a more powerful man or groups of men will make us play along. More powerful men and groups of men have all kinds of ways to do that: penalizing us with fines or jail time for breaking the law. Refusing to hire or employ us. Penalizing us at work or firing us outright. Threatening us with bodily harm through fists, boots, knives or guns. Robbing us, burglarizing us, assaulting and battering us, Injuring us, killing us.
Women are the beneficiaries of this male violence, real and threatened. Powerful men keep all men in check. Feminism is the law of the land. Women are "equals". And all men play along with this fiction.
If men decided en masse that they're not going to play along anymore with feminism, then feminism is over. If men decided en masse that they're done playing along, then women will have to play along.
The point of this is not to suggest that men need to en masse break the law or start pulling women's hair on subways or beating on women who scream at them in road rage incidents. The point of this is to demonstrate what happens when men don't "play along". And when men don't play along, they believe they can do anything they want to women. If men won't play along, then a man can do what he wants to any woman he wants, as we saw with the NYC subway hair puller. And women's "protections" will be over. Women won't be able to move through society as "equals" to men. Women won't be able to do and say anything they want. They'll have to start restraining themselves and watching what they do and say. They'll have to stop emotionally overreacting and vomitpuking their emotions all over whomever happens to be around them. They'll have to stop attacking and disrespecting random men. They'll have to show at least a modicum of respect and deference, and they'll be expected to show gratitude when they receive help from random men. If they will not, then they'll be ostracized.
What you see now with a lot of women is ostracism. They can't get the men they want to offer them commitment. The men they do want, use them for sex.
Notice what I did not say in this post. I did NOT say that women will have to start having sex with men they don't want to have sex with. I did NOT say that women will have to date or marry men they don't want. I did NOT say that women have to be chained to stoves or barefoot and pregnant. I did NOT say even that women have to be nice to men or be friends with them.
All I said was that women will have to start holding up their end of the bargain - politeness, basic respect, deference, gratitude. At the very least, they'll have to stop being bitches.
Women are free to do what they want, because men play along. If they don't play along, that's where things start breaking down, as we see in the above articles and videos.
My next post will be about why no one stepped in to stop the NYC hair puller. After that I'll write about women acting the aggressor, then demanding men's protection from other male aggressors.
Be careful out there.
polishknight Endorsed 2y ago
Regarding men as a group in relation to women: Up until recently, western civilization was defined by the feudal order and normal men were largely disposable subjects and women as protected subjects. When feminists try to claim that men all were CEO's and women were chained in the kitchen, this is a naive view of what life was like back then. For men, things improved somewhat (at times) in the past 2 centuries but overall, we're back to a feudal order with the women as a protected class again but instead of them respecting the husbands who provide for them, they are subjects of the state and corporations.
Consider the Wild Wild West. It's often romanticized but it wasn't a preferred way to live in that if you built a ranch, rustlers and ruffians could murder and rob your homestead just like that. The feudal order, much of the time, was superior to freedom even as freedom does offer a possibility of joining the noble class: Invent something in your garage and become Jeff Bezos. Win the lottery. There's more flexibility in class, but it's also often illusionary. Richard Cooper says for all men to become alpha via hard work which, by definition, isn't possible.
Unlike these challenges that men have faced in disputes over Marxism, socialism, and theocracies or a combination of them, the relationship between men and women is far simpler: women are apparently unhappy with their own freedom in, and of, itself even with all other factors controlled. Men's primary problem with affluence and success is becoming weak and complacent.
nroo23 2y ago
This is brilliant and thought provoking. The idea of the feudal order hits so well. I was so close to putting my finger on this idea recently (our modern technocracy and centralized form of capitalism is essentially feudal) but never quite got there- but you nailed it so much more coherently and compelled than I could have.
The question is, at what point is a Wild West society preferable? I would assume only when the basic guidelines of a feudal order are completely untenable (maybe the majority of men cannot get laid - at all).
I see why preppers actually think this will happen as we actually statistically not that far away from this for Gen Z. The system is breaking down in many ways it seems (loss or nuclear family, massive wealth gap due to money printing and bailouts of rich bankers, no common societal traditions or norms, etc,)
I suppose that Wild West is the default for when a civilization collapses into just a society. This is an uncomfortable thought but our system really does not feel sustainable long-term- nor does the data indicate that it is.
polishknight Endorsed 2y ago
Consider also that this doesn't exist in a vacuum just as the USSR didn't. Feminists chuckle "hehehe. We're in power via our white knight white male oligarchs we claim to be oppressed by. Haha! NOTHING can get in our way!" Aside from the economic and cultural collapse, there's literally barbarians at the gates. We both know that the oligarchs that sold us out sold them out as well.
Feudal orders themselves also grow and collapse. I'm reading Henryk Sienkiewicz's classic "With Fire and Sword" series that goes into the collapse of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and how the monarchy and feudal lords allowed the collapse of one of the greatest republics in central Europe.
inevitableowl1 2y ago
Your final sentence of the second paragraph is kind of the problem I have with the ideology of some key strains of major Conservative parties (thinking of U.K. Cons and US republicans). This idea that if you are struggling/not successful it is because you aren’t working hard enough
In some cases this is true but in a great many it is simply not. Because if everyone worked equally as hard they wouldn’t be equally successful. That is absurd. The extreme example of this are sweat shop workers in the Far East. Deliberate hyperbole but there is still a point there
But this is rather off topic
I guess it can be brought around to topic of male female relationships by linking to rubbish advise given to men - just work harder / earn more. Just improve your physique etc
SpiritualEnema 2y ago
This is a great take. Thank you for sharing it. Men have indeed become complacent but are waking up. The base nature of most women is becoming more and more recognizable every day. Despite having the an exponentially easier go of it then their grandparents, women are much, much more unhappy now. Depression and anxiety is the norm in most single women. It’s almost as if the freedom they sought out has become another cage.
polishknight Endorsed 2y ago
That's not what I meant. Although it's difficult to compare the 1950's the present day (apples and oranges), men had it easier back then in terms of living up to societal roles and family. My mother's shit test of my father was giving him her name and having him look up her name in the phone book. All women back then wanted to shit test men, but this shit test was minimal.
Yes, they didn't have computers and they had leaded gasoline and nuclear bomb drills but in terms of living up to your role, you perhaps went to a community college or if you waited tables and studied hard, you graduated college and got a great job. You paid off your home in 10 years. Most people still paid for healthcare in cash.
For some women whose parents helicopter/tiger mom them, indeed life is quite easy all around: They get female scholarships and preferences and then sleep with men that their great-grandmother only saw in the movies. Then many do settle down and have kids and are both independent while demanding traditional treatment. But I think the peak for that, for women, was in the 1980's.
For many of them, as we see here, perhaps they're left with debt or things don't work out for them AND there is no prince to rescue them. Keep in mind that most come from broken homes (since half of the households are single mothers).
Grandparents, particularly women, were raised by older women they respected while I think my own mother's generation was the first in the 1950's to start getting their advice from YOUNGER women who also tended to be "independent". Even their own peers. So it was the blind teaching the blind.
But even when women do have it easy, their freedom hurts them much like the lottery winner going broke. I have a relative whose 22, gorgeous, and a great job and she's riding the CC and says she wants to go to get a PhD and then "marry a rich man". Will her increased demands of men, and being older, make her happier?
inevitableowl1 2y ago
If bumble is anything to go by then having a phd does not help you get a rich man. Or, it seems, any man
moorekom Mod 2y ago
They can get some man, but they want THE man.
tierteen 2y ago
and if past generations that we are considering 'conservative' and in majority, enabled all this changes then better not to expect any changes that will make things better
Boar_excrement 2y ago
Modern women mistake being difficult for strength and decorum for oppression. Men are beginning to take notes and respond accordingly. A lack of respect on women's part means that they are not willing to uphold their end of the social contract. Therefor, I have no interest in sacrifice or service on their behalf And I know I am not alone.
I have already seen this shift among my male friends. I have noticed more men doing the absolute best thing they could for these strong and independent women: nothing.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed 2y ago
As I commented on a post on plebbit, a lot of women out there are going to learn the hard way that equality means either providing for your own self defense or paying someone to do it for them, on top of learning that they are woefully unprepared to do either.
Vagina credit only goes so far and the last few generations overdrew their accounts so fucking hard that any man of means and sense is going to require upfront payment or do nothing other than watch as the woman crashes and burns. Which ironically is still better treatment that one would see if one were to flip the genders - a woman would more than likely kick a man in distress than just watch.
Because it is somehow socially acceptable for women to treat men worse than they would a stray dog.
inevitableowl1 2y ago
Wow - the comparison of how women treat men vs dogs hits hard. Probably because it is so true
polishknight Endorsed 2y ago
I remember almost like yesterday back in California back in the 1990's driving the freeway and seeing a woman struggling with a flat tire. I drove by. Nobody else stopped to help or worse, in that region, she might not WANT someone to stop if you know what I mean.
When men were respected, women were kind, forgiving, and desired relationships with men. Men felt loved and returned it by helping out and women would be emotionally supportive. When that ended, so did a lot of civil society. Nowadays, there's usually a 1/2 mile line of rubberneckers watching someone change a tire and not stopping to help.
Anyhoo, they can pay for AAA and what that gets them is someone to change to the spare but I did the math and I saved $1400 over the years by not subscribing to it. I can get such services ad-hoc if I really need them but I rarely do.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed 2y ago
Hell, it is in a man's best interest to not stop for an unknown woman, especially in a location with few if any witnesses. Could be bait for a trap.
Or the woman could just be a malicious ingrate that decides on a whim to ruin his life:
https://archive.ph/Frv7G
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Yeah I've withdrawn all protection for women that aren't my wife. Sorry ladies. You 'gon die alone... whether it be in an alley by a gang rape or of old age. It's basically like expecting a slave to save his master.
I'm reminded of a time when I helped 2 stranded hoes in central Java. Both Americans. Arrived at the bus station too late so they needed to stay the night. They couldn't speak the language, had no maps, no clue where to stay, nothing within miles, all taxis gone. So we took them to my wife's parent's house and let them stay in an extra room and fed them and took them back to the bus station the next day. Zero thanks. Fuck off. Never again.
inevitableowl1 2y ago
An example of what happens when the men don’t play along with feminism would appear to be Afghanistan. And as mentioned in this post - the women can do absolutely nothing about it
Many lost their high profile careers. It was apparent that men playing along allowed them to get them. And when the men (in power) stopped - it was gone
Nothing makes me more annoyed than women screaming about a patriarchy in the west that simply doesn’t exist. They really refuse to appreciate how good they have it
Karen Straughan made at least one (might have been two) very good videos years ago explaining the cultural difference in Islam which explains why the taliban apply those rules to women. It is really fascinating. Because as misogynistic and patriarchal as it seems it is all about how the man is solely responsible for the wife and family. How his income is literally the family income but she is not obliged (under sharia I believe) to give any income she earns to her family. Even her own kids. If a woman takes a high paying job from her husband and he can’t provide, refuses to pay for food for her children and they starve - it is the man’s fault. If she is right about that then the actions in Afghanistan at least make rational sense
Caveats : not advocating for that style of system in the west
A world where men refuse to “play along” is bad for smaller and weaker men as well as women. Society doesn’t function as such men are forced to watch from the sidelines and prop up the dominant men who take all the women - either by force or willingness from the woman. Like the animal kingdom. And we should be beyond that
But the way things are moving is back to them. A bunch of beta men given “nothing” (in a relationship sense) to work for. Such a scenario makes it more likely that they down tools and stop “playing along” (but in a different way to protection)
Although it becomes more nuances because as mentioned in a reply to one of those posts above - when it comes to protection women seems to want ANY man to step in. Even though some are in a better position to help (I guess a mob of average guys could subdue someone acting together). But then the definition of “man” changes rapidly when it comes to dating and relationships.
polishknight Endorsed 2y ago
Consider the promise of feminism which was that when women were liberated, men would be "freed" from the "toxic masculinity" role as breadwinner and protector. It's hilarious now to hear that, but that's what they claimed.
So women got the "civilized" men they claimed to have wanted: Men who respect them as equals and help out around the home and do dishes and these women find them disgusting. They not only continue to be attracted to 'bad boys', but even want an exaggerated version of him.
The fundamental problem with the western state is that it becomes corrupt: A state that sells out the average man to become a self also will ultimately sell out her as well.
nroo23 2y ago
Oh thank god these modern western feminist women aren’t looking for a rich and successful man to bail them out anymore, just an equal to so dishes, ROFL! I mean the days of waning rich guys are definitely gone LOL!
I agree, the state has become corrupt and is no longer acting in the best interest of its average man or average woman. It is become more about consolidating power and eliminating any wrong think. A top-down neo-feudal faux capitalistic hell.
sleepyweaselisawake Mod 2y ago
Men need to learn to embrace indifference. That's it, that's the key. Society can shame you, call you names, tell you you're not a real man, whatever but there's no law against indifference.
And, one of the wonderful side effects of indifference, if you take care of your physical/mental health, personal hygiene, finances, education, etc women take notice.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Indifference and self-interest.
reignoferror00 2y ago
What's that saying? "Don’t let your mouth write a check your ass can’t cash."
Right now women's (social) credit has earned its lowest rating, and any good will men had for them has been overdrawn. That check is going to bounce like your ass hitting the pavement after cocking off to the wrong guy. Your deep in arrears and the repo man has towed away your female privilege. The days of men co-signing any loan for you are dead and gone.
aldabruzzo Mod 2y ago
Kind of. More like "men haven't been insisting that you cash your checks; we men have been covering your checks for you".
What happens when men stop covering women's checks?
Women used to show basic respect to men, perhaps for no reason other than they knew what a man could do to them if he really wanted to and if nothing restrained him.