I'll make this short and sweet.
About 3 or 4 weeks ago there was an incident in New York City involving a black psycho fuckhead acting like the nutcase he is on a crowded subway car. One of the things he did was force a white woman in her 30s to sit next to him by pulling her hair. She obediently sat next to him, in obvious pain and discomfort. During the video she can be seen grimacing, again obviously uncomfortable. Then she can be seen looking around and mouthing the plea, "Please help me". It's unknown if she made eye contact with someone, or was just mouthing the words into the ether.
After this incident were many articles, some of which decried the dearth and inaction of "Good Men" and demanded that men start stepping up to intervene. Others responded with "Good Men didn't act because you hate them and demanded they go away". You can guess which camp I'm in.
Why didn't anyone save this woman?
1) Women made it clear they don't want good men. Or, they want "good men" only when they want those men to do something for them or give them money or commitment. Or save them from whatever befalls them. Good men aren't going to put themselves in harm's way for women who don't want them or who demand their presence only when bad shit happens. Good men aren't going to help women who want those men only when it comes time to do hard work or endure pain or put up with shit. Good men aren't going to help women when they're wanted only when the bad shit goes down. Good men expect to be rewarded and compensated. If you won't give good men anything in return for their labor and attention, then you get nothing from us.
What's more: Women expect men to save them, without giving those men anything in return - not even so much as a "thank you" or a basic level of respect. Women don't think they should have to even so much as be polite to men who intervene on their behalf. It is just expected. Women view this as a birthright - they're just entitled to the use of any man, anywhere, to do her bidding, when and how she wants or demands, and she does not have to do anything or give him anything in return. This, more than anything, is the prime reason "good men" aren't stepping up or stepping in.
2) Women wanted this society. Women want the NYC Subway Hair Puller. Women fuck those men and submit to them. So women do not now get to complain or ask for rescue when the downsides of the society they demanded be created rear their ugly heads. You don't get to demand fun with bad boys, then complain and demand rescue when the bad boy turns on you.
3) Women are fond of screaming at us "you're not entitled to sex". Fine. Then women aren't entitled to our time, money, labor, attention, or resources. And that includes our putting ourselves in harm's way to help a woman who otherwise would spit in our faces and laugh out loud at us.
4) Women have been screaming from the rooftops for the last 70 years about their "strength" and "independence". They don't need no man. "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle." Fine. You're "strong and independent". Do it yourself. Why do you come to us for help? You don't need us. You said so yourselves. Why do you mewl "please help me"? You're "strong and independent". You don't need our help. Do it yourself. (Proving, once again, that women's "strength" and "independence" is wholly dependent on men. Women can be "strong and independent" because men play along, men finance it, men make it possible.)
5) Our society is fracturing and coming apart at the seams. There will be more of this. The best protections for individual women is to find a good man, latch onto him for life, submit to him, and do what he says. But who am I kidding - most women are not going to do anything like this because they don't like men, they hate men, they distrust men, they've all got mental illnesses and issues, they view all men as degenerate rapists and criminals, and they won't do anything any man says. The best protections for an individual woman from men like the NYC Subway Hair Puller is to be with a husband. But like I said - they're not sexually attracted to the men who would marry them, so they won't marry, so they're alone.
Which puts a woman like her in the position of meekly mewling "Please Help Me" to men on the subway who think "Fuck no I'm not helping you - I'm not getting knifed or shot or beaten for you when I know goddamn well you wouldn't give me the time of day otherwise. The only fucking reason you even look at me is because you want me to save you from a threat that you helped create. No. You're strong and independent - save yourself.
This is the world women demanded be created. And, as usual, they now prevail on "good men" to save them from the world they demanded be created. Really? What's in it for me? A bullet? A blade? A beating? No fucking thanks. The only time you give any attention to "good men" is when you need them. No. FUCK YOU. If you're not related to me, banging me, or paying me, you can save yourselves. You want "saved"? Find a good man, date him, fuck him, and pledge your life to him. Otherwise, fucking do it yourselves.
I'm sure this will be derided as "Those 'good men' want revenge on women who won't touch their pee pees. This is just a revenge fantasy." I don't really care. This isn't revenge. This is just reality. It's right there on video. What happened, and how men react in not stepping in to "save" a woman they don't know and who would otherwise shit on them if she didn't need their muscle, is right there on video and in print for all to see and read. I'm just putting words to what we all know the women and the men are thinking. Women's inability to handle the truth is not my problem. Women's distate for truth being directly and plainly spoken is not my problem. Don't like it? Start fixing it by fixing yourselves.
This isn't about men not getting sex. This is about women demanding something for nothing. This isn't about women's fever pitched pearl clutching about "revenge fantasies". This is about women's unreasonably demanding men risk their lives to help them while at the same time shitting all over those same men. And you don't get to do that.
The second complaint people have is that men have "duties" to "society". Men "owe it to our society" (i.e. women) to intervene when bad men do bad things. No. No I don't. Good men have no obligations to a society that shits on them every chance it gets. Good men have no obligations to women who laugh in their faces and talk shit about them behind their backs. Good men have no obligations to women they don't know who wouldn't give them the time of day unless they "need something". Good men have no obligations to women who scream about their "strength and independence"; then mewl like damsels in distress when in harm's way or when they need muscle.
No. I don't "owe" anything to "society" or "women". Lift your own goddamn suitcase. Move your own goddamn furniture. Do your own goddamn work. Fight your own goddamn battles. Get yourselves out of your own goddamn scrapes.
Problematic_Browser 2y ago
Independence from men means independence from men.
You can't just turn it back on when you want it.
The fucked up part is even IF she isn't a feminist, the fact is that her sisters-in-arms have fucked up the dynamic so thoroughly that men are afraid of the consequences we will suffer at the hands of women for interfering.
DextroShade 2y ago
If a man can take woman out and spend hundreds of dollars only to get shot down and told he isn't entitled to sex, then it is more than fair that women are not entitled to men they don't know risking their lives for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the woman on the subway was a feminist who believes that "toxic masculinity" is a real problem, that is until she needs a man to get violent on her behalf.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed 2y ago
This is real male privilege - the responsibility of either doing everything yourself or paying someone else.
Don't like it, ladies? Then stop competing with and displacing men and start completing them instead. Otherwise you'll get treated like a smaller and weaker male that no one has an immediate use for.
A liability at best.
aldabruzzo Mod 2y ago
In 1988, David Simon published "Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets" about following the Baltimore City Police Department's homicide squad for a year. In that book he summarized conversations with men in the department who decried female police officers as "secretaries with guns". One male cop told the story of a uniformed female cop outside a hot crime scene waiting for backup after a perp had fled. Was she in hot pursuit on foot? No. Was she helping anyone? No. Was she taking note of the surroundings so as to secure the scene? No.
As her backup arrived, she was standing in the house's front yard screaming for help and for someone to do something.
A uniformed police officer, to whom the society looks for help, and who is half an arms reach away from lethal force.... is having a nervous breakdown. In public. With injured victims and a fleeing perp.
Fucking useless. "smaller and weaker male that no one has a use for" indeed.
Seagram7 2y ago
His book was the genesis for the TV shows The Wire and Homicide: Life on the Streets. Both are great shows. But if you want female officers vapor locking, turning tale and running, publicly humiliating themselves and their department, I got tons.
Two that come to mine one from another department and one from mine.
Story 1. A Santa Barbara county deputy was getting his ass kicked in a parking lot. Female CHP officer drives into the parking lot sees the fight and keeps driving. As other deputies were responding, they see her face, see her car and the car number as she made a right turn out of the parking lot and sped away. Nothing happened to her, the CHP yeah yeahed Santa Barbara that we will deal with her the same way they are yeah yeahed the public now about Paul Pelosi's DUI.
Story 2. We had an active shooter about 10 years back, people were running out of the building to include our female officer. Citizens were pointing and yelling at her that "he's over there!" thinking that she was running the wrong way. One guy grabs her shoulder to point her the right way and she shrieks "GET OFF ME!!!" and shoves him as she kept running to the exit. Nothing happened to her. I think she is retired now.
lurkerhasarisen Mod 2y ago
Re: Story #2. I'm surprised she didn't arrest him for "assaulting a police officer."
Seagram7 2y ago
They want their cake and eat it too. "WE ARE EQUAL!" until it's time to move a fridge then it's "I'm a girl tee-hee." I read a Jack Nicholson interview in Playboy (yes i did read the articles too) a long while back and he said that if you really wanted to defeat feminism is to GIVE THEM EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT. You give them full equality and watch them sink or swim, as in move your own damn fridge. I think the whole problem with the feminist mentality is they conflate and confuse privilege with their concept of power instead of realizing it's not privilege, it's responsibility and not realizing that our responsibility is also our burden. The best example is women going to work. They really thought they were trapped and oppressed while men had the "privilege" of going to work. They had to find out the hard way that going to work wasnt a privilege, it is a burden men carry.
Look up the Costa Concordia disaster. A cruise ship that capsized and subsequent sinking of that Italian cruise ship which resulted in 32 deaths. Feminist and whiteknights were outraged when reports of men were pushing women out of the way to get to the lifeboats to save themselves. Many of the replies have pointed out to them that this is the society you created. We are equal so when did a woman's life suddenly become more valuable? We gave them exactly what they wanted and now you have just as equal of a chance to get to the lifeboat
inevitableowl1 2y ago
“Our responsibility is also our burden” - and if we aren’t seen as living up to it we are punished ruthlessly. By who? Feminists will say that it by other men due to toxic masculinity. In reality? Women of course
I had no idea about that Costa Concordia situation or that people pointed out “it is equal” at the time. But I was firmly plugged in
Seagram7 2y ago
https://www.thinkinghousewife.com/2012/01/isnt-this-what-feminists-wanted/
She does a good job of compiling the comments of the Costa Concordia comments of the time
lurkerhasarisen Mod 2y ago
There are two types of privilege: respect and protection.
Type 1. As a 5'7" small-framed man, respect was never mine by default. I had to earn it, and earn it I did, but even then I have to re-earn it every day. There's no such thing as "male privilege"... there is privilege (in the form of default respect) for men who are either attractive or are perceived to be strong. Smallish men are often left with the choice of accepting "doormat" status, or being assertive and being accused of having a Napoleon Complex.
Type 2. There is also privilege for people who are presumed to be weak through no fault of their own: and that has traditionally apllied to small children, the elderly, the disabled, and women. (That never applies to able-bodied adult men.) That privilege is different than the default respect given to men who are perceived to be strong, but it translated into the privilege of being protected.
As a group, women decided that they wanted to be respected like (some) men are. We all know that they based that on the Apex Fallacy, of course. They don't want to have to prove themselves like I always had to do... they want to have respect like that accorded to the small subset of men who get it by default.
But when they demanded to be treated like men they gave up the second kind of privilege: the kind that provides protection. Their problems became theirs to solve. Their battles became theirs to fight. The average American woman is 5'4" tall and clinically obese... men with those stats get neither respect nor protection: and if they demand either they get mockery.
This is what equality looks like.
UpsideDB 2y ago
The "Male privilege" they talk about is only enjoyed by the very top tier of men. The ones with way more than their fair share of money and power. But they blame all us shmucks that are working under this very top tier of men for the problems. A very large majority of us are being taken advantage of. They're blaming the peasants for what the king does.
aldabruzzo Mod 2y ago
Good point.
I touched on this in my first post in the series. There was an unspoken social compact between men as a group, and women as a group. It's just reality that men are larger and stronger than women. Most men can kill most women with their bare hands if they wanted to. Most women have the sexual access most men want. But we can't have that access if we kill them all, now can we?
So: Men treat women with a base level of courtesy and politeness. No, they won't get to sleep with most women. But they'll be polite and kind. They won't be complete and total assholes to women. When women reject them, they accept it and quietly move on.
In return, women treat men with a base level of respect. No, they're not falling all over themselves being obsequiously or profusely polite. They're not being deferential or submissive. They're just being polite and not overtly doing anything to piss men off. In the very, very likely event they have to reject a man or rebuff an unwanted sexual advance, they do so quietly, discreetly, and firmly, and they remove themselves. They don't nuke reject. They don't broadcast it all over town.
Men's kindness and politeness to women was a thin blanket of protection for women which served to keep other men in line. Women's base level of respect was a form of unspoken gratitude toward men that served dual purposes of social lubrication to keep things running smoothly, and incentive to men.
Men are to help women when necessary. You help get them out of the tight spot. In return, the women do what the men say, and display a small modicum of gratitude. This is the only time women are to submit to "men" they're not married to - when that woman needs that man to help her out of a tight spot. If she's relying on a man to help her, she needs to do what he tells her to do, and say "thank you" afterwards.
That was the compact. That was the unspoken agreement. That was the deal.
Women broke that deal when they decided all this was evil patriarchy and they didn't need it. They decided they could do it all themselves, and they could do it as well as or better than men could. They didn't need men, and they didn't have to be polite or show bare bones levels of respect. They sure as hell aren't going to take orders from men, especially icky unattractive men. They sure as hell aren't going to thank a man, especially icky unattractive men. Women are just entitled to whatever they want or need from a man, whenever they want or need it.
And so most men do what they usually do, and said "OK" and withdrew.
NotaBene 2y ago
"A lady is a woman who makes it easy for a man to be a gentleman."
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 2y ago
Your comment here could be a standalone post.
Tag @moorekom
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Agreed. @aldabruzzo, you can use it as one of the entries in the series on the NYC debacle.
inevitableowl1 2y ago
What you are saying here is why trans men often have such a tough time and you see lots of regret videos. They have no idea that being 5’3”-5’6” and “male presenting” absolutely sucks. You get no respect by default. You get figuratively and literally looked over
Even Norah Vincent had a torrid time at 5’10. Imagine being a more average woman and trying to live as a man?
I always remember an tv magazine interview with a dragon from U.K. dragons den (think shark tank). The guy was 6’7” and he talked about how he drew attention the moment he stepped into the room and pretty much admitted he was able to command instant respect. No one is going to be able to convince me that his entrepreneurial career wasn’t aided significantly (and perhaps even given the confidence to start) due to that. Now I know there are plenty of average or below average height entrepreneurs but that wasn’t really the point. It also bares out in the stats of the CEOs of top companies
lurkerhasarisen Mod 2y ago
That's an excellent point. Think being a 5'4" chubby woman is tough?... Try being a 5'4" chubby man! That's like playing on easy mode and then switching to nightmare mode, except it's not a game: it's real, and it's for the rest of your life.
Not only would a guy like that not be respected by either men or women, but if "he" tried to demand it "he" might well be in danger of physical violence depending on the context... plus "he" would lose all the routine courtesy and consideration women get by default.
I'll use myself as an example. I'm a retired 0-5 and I work with other military retirees. We travel for work, and at the end of the day we like to sit around and talk over a couple of beers. Mind you: these guys know me well, they know how good I am at my job, they know how intelligent I am, they know what I've accomplished, they know where I've been and the dangers I've faced. These guy are my friends, and they talk over me all the time. When I pointed that out to one of them he didn't beleive me, so I told him to pay attention the next time we were all hanging out. He was shocked at how much it happened once he made a point of looking for it. It's not that they dislike me, and if you ask them they would tell you that they have a lot of respect for me... and they would absolutely mean it... but because I'm the only guy in the group who wears size Small I get overlooked by people who know better without any conscious thought. The guy I had the conversation with is a a burly retired E-9, and he was mortified when he realized how often it happened.
If that happens among friends and colleagues to a 5'7" retired lieutenant colonel in great shape who's been to war, how much default respect is a doughy, effeminate 5'4" "transman" going to get from actual men? And as bad as that it, wait until "he" sees how women treat "him."
Overkill_Engine Endorsed 2y ago
As I have pointed out before, most men will be at worst indifferent to another man (or woman) below them on the social ladder who is not actively antagonizing them. But it is somehow socially acceptable for women to treat such a man worse than they would a stray dog.
Male privilege strikes again.
Problematic_Browser 2y ago
Women treat men that way because they aren't responded to the way we would a man if he did.
Last week I was having a greyhound smoking my pipe, reading my book and generally minding my fucking business, and some random broad starts in on me because the smell from my pipe was upsetting her asthma.
She was NOT polite. She was loud, crass, and in my face. Nevermind that we were outside.
If that were a man, that never would have happened.
inevitableowl1 2y ago
Most women treat the average man worse than the average dog. It really is pretty galling. They have been basically convinced that if they are nice to an average man then that guy will feel entitled to sex and then harass her. So they are at best indifferent and at worst downright cruel instead
aldabruzzo Mod 2y ago
And here are the effects of it. A five foot tall man who appears to be middle aged loses his shit in a bagel shop. A lifetime of mockery, abuse, ignoring, and frustration boils over on video.
This is what life is like being a shorter than average man. Unattractive, ignored, mocked, made fun of. That is what the guy was saying.
I knew a man like this. He was about 5'3". Bald, kind of chubby, and with a high pitched voice. There was literally nothing about this man that outwardly appeared masculine. I think he had some sort of medical condition. Lived an OK life, died around age 45 from a medical condition I don't know of now. He never married, never had any kids, never achieved any sort of career distinction or standing. Lived a very ordinary working class to lower middle class life... alone.
Look at Gary Coleman: Had a bad kidney condition that stunted his growth. But he was never taken seriously as anything other than a child actor and in his role as Arnold Jackson on Diff'rent Strokes, saying shit like "WhatchutalkinboutWillis" and being a short cute black kid. He married, but divorced his wife when he revealed she had cheated on him repeatedly, and "led him around by the hand in public treating him like a little child".
I knew another guy like this who had bad kidney problems and restricted growth. He's lived a good life and works a working class life, but does not project masculinity well because of his short stature and high pitched voice. He is not married and has no children. He probably will never marry.
For short men: the best advice I can give them is to get in shape. You just can't be short AND fat. If you're short and balding, you MUST get a body. You must get in shape. You must get your body looking as good as you can possibly get it.
lurkerhasarisen Mod 2y ago
There was a viral video a while ago of a short guy in some sort of cafe (it may even be the one you're referring to... I can't remember if it was a bagel shop), who finally got fed up with being treated like crap for no reason other than his height, and he snapped like a dry twig. Most of the comments were either mocking him about his height or some variation of, "Of course he gets treated badly: look at how he acts!" which puts the effect before the cause.
When a woman let's saaaaaaaay... murders her five children by drowning them in a bathtub... the entire world looks for whatever caused her to snap (starting with her husband), but when a guy merely raises his voice after the ten-thousandth time he was ignored by a person he's paying to deliver a service - after being mocked, ridiculed, and overlooked his entire life - the video gets a million views.
But you're right about being in shape. I'm not horribly unlucky: at 5'7" I'm within a StDev of the mean height. Guys who are shorter than I am have an even harder time. It's not necessarily insurmountable, but every inch of height below the average adds five knots to the "social headwind" a man has to overcome his entire adult life. For me, I've spent every day since puberty having to overcome a moderate breeze slowing me down (it's probably why I retired as a Lieutenant Colonel rather than a full Colonel or higher), while a guy who's below 5''4" (average height for a woman in the US) has to spend his life fighting a gale-force headwind just be be treated as human. One of the ways I deal with it is by hitting the gym - hard - and watching my weight. The key to looking better at any height is having the right ratios. Just as it's almost impossible for woman with a 7/10 waist/hip ratio to have a bad body, there are corresponding ratios for men. Waist/height and waist/chest are arguably the most important, but there are others that certainly help. At a minimum: if your inseam is less than your waist measurement, you have work to do.
aldabruzzo Mod 2y ago
Yes. That's the one I posted. Bagel Shop Guy.
inevitableowl1 2y ago
I finally started to notice that waist to hip thing for women. Maybe because some many are fat now. And then of course the ones who insist on drawing attention to it either by clothing choices or getting passive aggressive about their “mum tum” on the apps
But when people sometimes (not so much now) ask if you are a boob, bum or legs man i think I’d now actually say waist. Because that’s a better indicator of health and an overall good body. Of the three usually presented it is likely legs that prove that best as well.
Very hard to have amazing legs and also not have a good bum but the reverse doesn’t always seem to be true
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Aren't women adults? Why do they want to be treated like children?
SpiritualEnema 2y ago
You know the saying. Women want the authority of a man, the privilege of a woman, and the responsibility of a child.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
I know. It's their prerogative to expect that kind of special treatment. It's my prerogative to laugh at their face and to reject it.
aldabruzzo Mod 2y ago
Saved from tough situations; but otherwise left alone.
Women are "strong and independent" when it suits them; and helpless wee widdle ol' girls when it suits them.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Fuck that nonsense. They want to be adults. I'll treat them like adults.
lurkerhasarisen Mod 2y ago
About two weeks ago I responded to a woman at the Epiphany Phase who was looking for advice on the other site. I did her the courtesy of speaking to her like an adult: I wasn't rude, or dismissive, or condescending... I just told her that she had the wherewithal to fix her problem, and gave her advice on how to do it.
Within minutes I was called an "incel" and a "pedophile" by feminists; both of which are comically inaccurate. It turns out that when women get treated like adults they view it as hostility. The great irony is that feminists love to dismiss any man who complains about double standards that favor women by smugly saying, "When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
The irony of a feminist saying that is too thick to cut with a lumberjack's chainsaw.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
I'm married with kids and have been called an incel more times than I can remember. It has basically lost all meaning at this point. It's like calling a modern day German a Nazi because Hitler.
Problematic_Browser 2y ago
I get called:
Incel (by women I reject) Gay (by women I reject) Mysogynistic (by women I reject)
I wonder what the trend is?
SpiritualEnema 2y ago
They go straight to the top shelf with their insults don’t they?
Incel and pedophile when used in this context are completely meaningless
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Fortunately, I'm a complete asshole and I'm completely fine with walking away if I see cunty behavior. When you treat women like adults, most leave. Few stay and submit. I don't care who leaves.
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Seagram7 2y ago
I found this exercise program that I do now that is low impact high endurance and really burns calories. At the gym get a medicine ball. If you dont know what a medicine ball is, it is a weighted ball which is about the size of a volleyball. Most gyms have them. Take it to the treadmill and hold the medicine ball with both hands while you using the treadmill. The treadmill should have a high elevation and your speed should be a almost brisk walk. Picture marching up a hill while holding a medicine ball with both hands. The treadmill simulates the hill you are marching up. Adjust the speed and elevation as needed for your level but the key is to have a decent elevation as in it is enough that you are leaning forward and to march for at least 30 minutes. Do this two to three times a week and when it gets easier increase the elevation. Your goal should be max elevation and a decent walking speed.
Your are asking what does this have to do with the OP or how does this even tie in to the subject? I found this exercise program on TRP before the quarantine killed that sub as a response to a crosspost. The OP was a girl on the r/relationshit sub that was out with her boyfriend when they were accosted by "street hooligans." In defending muh lady, the thugs proceeded to absolutely beat the crap out of the boyfriend to the point that he is was put in the hosiptal. He now has chronic lifetime heath issues. She never said what kind of health issues, but I imagine it must be the kind of health issues you get from a severe beating. She was on r/relationshit asking on how to dump him and not look like a heartless bitch to her family and friends.
One of the TRP replies was this exercise program. In 6 months your legs will be steel springs. When you are confronted by "street hooligans," you run your ass off. As red/black pilled as we are, I know that answer made some of us cringe. The thought of leaving a woman in danger and running away goes so much against our basic male instincts to protect a woman; add the social shame of you running away and not protecting your woman, that running away is unthinkable, or should I say it USE TO BE UNTHINKABLE. This is the society they created and the new mentality that goes with it. What was unthinkable as not helping a woman little as 5 years ago is now becoming accepted in our society.
If the thought of running away from a woman in danger makes you sick, picture that you are drooling in your wheelchair and your diaper needs changing while you watch the love of your life that you took a severe beating for in the process of packing her stuff up because she didnt sign up for wiping your ass for the rest of your live. Then you make weird bleating sounds like a sheep crying sound as she walks out the door and gets on to the back of Chad's motorcycle.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Fighting for her - You chasing her.
Telling her that you're going to watch how she handles the situation - Her chasing you.
Guess in which one she stays and qualifies to you.
SpiritualEnema 2y ago
Fuck that’s dark. That’s their nature though, we are nothing more than tools to be used and discarded as they see fit. Fuck that, the only tool need in my life is one good solid hoe, to use and discard when I tire of her or desire to start spinning plates again.
lurkerhasarisen Mod 2y ago
That reminds me of a scene from the 2002 version of "The Four Feathers." It's set in the late 1800s when a young British officer resigns his commission rather than going on an expedition he's morally opposed to. His "friends" call him a coward and each give him a feather (a symbol of cowardice), as does his fiance when she calls off the engagement.
I've written extensively about this, but under the old social compact, the only way a man could lose his "man card" was through cowardice, so this was a really big deal. (Hence the "White Feather Campaign" in WW1 to shame young men into fighting the most pointless war in human history.)
Needless to say, the guy wasn't a coward, and when his (former) regiment got in trouble he went to Africa by himself to rescue his friends. To make a long story short, he rescued his (former) best friend who had been blinded by a misfiring rifle, and discovered that he was engaged to his former fiance. When everyone got back to England and the truth came out, everyone instinctively realized that it would be wrong to expect the girl to marry an invalid (including the invalid himself), and the original engagement was reinstated since the protagonist had proved that he was "worthy" of her hand. Her worthiness was never in question.
As disgusting as that is, it represents a world that benefitted women to an enormous degree. That's the world feminists threw away in exchange for being wage slaves and (occasionally) punching bags for dirtbags on subway cars.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
And I'm happy for the men it freed.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Yeah well it's an entirely different situation when that woman is your wife and the mother of your children. Obviously modern women have removed that option so there ya go.
Problematic_Browser 2y ago
Wives, you defend.
Guttersnipes? Fuck em.
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moorekom Mod 2y ago
Don't blame men for the behavior of women.
Scorpion69_ 2y ago
i blamed men and the lack of backbone the majority of em have. this causes misbehavior to be tolerated + no standards whatsoever for women behavior. this is what allows women to become shit over the time. Weak men + shit women = shit society. if men become shit then sooner or later women will become shit aswell. This stuff has been building up since the 40s, im not defending females.
i said this exact same thing in another post and u gave me a positive answer.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
That must have been an oversight on my part. We do not shame men. Especially for the shit behavior of women. Women are adults too and they are responsible for how they behave. If you do not agree or cannot abide by that rule, you might not belong in this tribe.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
We shame men all the time. Just not for womanly reasons. Just ask @financehardo420 and @IBelieveInTheFallen . Might have to fix that rule.
financehardo420 2y ago
this guy always chirpin me
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Not in waatgm, we don't. The rule does not need to be fixed.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
I understand you see lots of spam and hate comments. I also understand you see my comments and delete them. It's not really a forum, at this point, but rather an echo chamber. We can argue the pros and cons of echo chambers all day but it is what it is.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Enforcing rules and boundaries does not make a place an echo chamber. Inconsistent and selective enforcement of rules eventually leads to an echo chamber.
If you're with a girl, do you let her do whatever she wants? Or do you enforce your boundaries? If she calls you a dictator, what do you do?
Problematic_Browser 2y ago
Shaming men for shameful behavior is one thing.
Shaming men for how they react to this fucked up world is totally different. None of this shit makes sense and we're set up to play a losing game.
chunky 2y ago
I didn't help, because I was sitting in my seat, making sure to not manspread, and checking my male privilege. My dance card was full.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
I didn't help because I was raised by my single mother to avoid confrontation and not be aggressive in any way. I also pee sitting down and support the slut walk.
Vermillion-Rx 2y ago
These are all fantastic points. Another factor is that men occasionally face consequences from the women they help. There was one story a few years back of a man being accused of rape after helping a woman start her car engine.
He stopped to a do a good thing and almost had his life ruined. Men can't even help certain women in good faith under low or no danger situations without risking their life and livelihood just simply because the woman can be a danger on her own to him
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Exactly. I can harp on this situation because it's a NYC subway but you can never get away from the fact that it's occurring in the most crazy of places.
Boar_excrement 2y ago
This ain't nuthin' yet. Male indifference is only going to get worse. Eventually women will appear to do the impossible: engage in self-reflection and personal accountability. This will be followed by apologies and promises to change. Don't believe it for a second. This will merely be a ruse to keep men on the plantation through false hope.
HYPERGAMY NEVER SLEEPS. Women are still running CaveWoman 1.0 software. Their great problem (and victory) was in beating Caveman 1.0 (protect and provide) out of most decent men. These same women that decry the inaction of the men on the train would gladly fuck the assailant in other circumstances. Hyperbole? Hate fiction? Neither, just ask Manson about his groupies.
So, women got what they wanted: enlightened men who will not get in the way of their strength and independence. You go, gurl. You got this. Gurl power. You don't need no man....until you do.
I take much amusement when The Wall smacks them in their face. The realization that from 32 to 72 is a looonnggg 40 years with no chance of early retirement. And then it will be all on them.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Keep in mind she was probably a prostitute traveling to her next John's location in the middle of the night through a dangerous neighborhood. From the news reports you'd think she was a housewife traveling with her baby to meet her husband at 1PM on a Wednesday through a nice part of town.
mattyanon 2y ago
6) Men who help women are often attacked by the man AND the woman. They're often already involved, and both turn on someone stepping in.
As you say, men helping women is framed as obligation which means there isn't even any appreciation: it's our DUTY to help them. Fuck that shit.
Women destroyed chivalry...... holding a door open for a woman was one thing - we never expected gratitude.... but today men are attacked (verbally, emotionally) for HELPING women. We've simply got into the habit of accepting strong independent women as our equals. Women said that's what they wanted, I hope they're happy with it.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Did you ever notice those situations are generally whores at bars? Do you think the same thing would happen at a church social? Like as if the church guys would just sit there and let a woman be assaulted? Hell, pick any normal situation where normal people go and it would be different. This is a NYC subway, probably in a bad neighborhood, probably late at night. What is a woman doing there by herself?
redblow22 2y ago
1) Why didn't the gal have OC spray, and deal with it herself? 2) Why would I risk getting shanked? Where's my ROI?
whytehorse2021 2y ago
1) Protection is a man's job /s
2) You wouldn't be riding through a crack den in the first place so you wouldn't risk getting shanked saving a whore at 3AM.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Jesus my little 100lb traditional housewife would beat the living fuck out of any man that put his hands on her. She'd probably lose but he'd be walking away bloodied with a diamond wedding ring imprint on his forehead. Maybe it's just a different mentality. She knows when her man isn't around so she's hyper-aware of danger and reacts violently. If I were there and it happened to my wife that guy would be dead, guaranteed.
I don't know anything about the victim or her mentality but I've seen some shit go down in Asia. Nobody protects whores in the red light district. Husbands will come drag their whoring wives out of bars by the hair and nobody stops them. Judging by all the news I've seen about NYC subway attacks, it looks like the same thing. Bad neighborhoods, whores, drug dealers, crackheads. What woman in her right mind would travel there alone? Did you notice they don't mention the location, time of night, or anything about the woman?
sleepyweaselisawake Mod 2y ago
Women can fuck right off. I just had a major windfall, I don't have to work for the rest of my life if I choose not to. I'm not putting my health or risking the opportunity to enjoy the rest of my life by intervening in a woman's affairs. I'm on cruise control and women are off my radar permanently.
winteryknight Endorsed 2y ago
My blog post from this morning (came out before this post) talked about this story out of New York: https://winteryknight.com/2022/06/16/miranda-devine-asks-where-are-the-men-of-courage/
I talked about the story from the perspective that society has attacked male perspectives on protecting and providing, and should no longer feel entitled to these behaviors when it suits them.
My previous post was also related to male concerns. It talks about what it is like for fathers to have their parental authority overridden by feminist lawyers and judges: https://winteryknight.com/2022/06/15/psychologist-claims-father-is-an-unfit-parent-for-refusing-to-give-son-unhealthy-fast-food/
I hope you guys like these.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Good to see you here. Can you please post them to the below link?
https://www.forums.red/i/whereareallthegoodmen
We're only allowing posting in this platform because of increasing censorship in Reddit. Either I'll cross post them to the Reddit version with the endorsed response flair or you can post the link to the thread here and I'll pin it for the weekend with the endorsed flair in Reddit. If you want to, I'll also lock the comments in Reddit and redirect them here.
winteryknight Endorsed 2y ago
OK, I just posted them in Where All The Good Men Are, then noticed that you sent me the link to Where Are All The Good Men. So I hope it's OK for me to cross-post them from WATGMA to WAATGM.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
I have cross-posted and pinned your article about the pastor to Reddit and I also linked the post about the parent. I have locked all comments there so the comments can be redirected here and be as uncensored as it can be.
I posted the links to the Whereallthegoodmenare posts since the format in which you have posted them suits this sub better than Whereareallthegoodmen. You can use this same format to post in this sub. If you want to post to Whereareallthegoodmen, you can just post a link to the article in your site. Thank you for posting your articles.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 2y ago
I have a lot of catch-up reading to do, including the post at the top of this thread!
Good to see you here, @winteryknight.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
cc: @kevin32, @goodmansaysfuckyou, @typo-magashiv.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Can you please post the direct article link to Whereareallthegoodmen? You can use the flair "A response" or "Endorsed response".
Once it is posted there, either I'll post it to Reddit and lock the comments there redirecting the comments here or you can post the link to the thread here in Reddit waatgm.