Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
Typo-MAGAshiv
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago Stickied
Normally, we aren't that interested in a man's response. Our focus is mostly on women suffering the consequences of the dual mating strategy and their own bad decisions. However, this one is exceptional. It's almost like his testimony is part of our sidebar (see: Michael's Story), but he uses no Red Pill or MGTOW lingo/jargon. It's as though men are coming to these realizations and conclusions on their own.
Another reason I don't think this guy is Red Pilled and trying to sow Red Pill seeds among the masses, is that he refers to his legitimate concerns as "insecurity" on more than one occasion. Dismissing a man's concerns and instincts as "insecurity" is a very gynocentric, Feminine-Imperative-serving move. He's still very much in the matrix.
Many people out there, especially on a certain subreddit that WAATGM was originally created in response to, would accuse him of being a NiceGuy™ and thinking he's "entitled" to sex. Like most men who get accused of this, he expresses no such entitlement, but rather confusion and frustration at not getting the results he was promised for the actions he preformed. It's sort of like if someone followed a recipe for chocolate chip cookies and his results were a liver milkshakes. Any reasonable person would be saying "wtf? Where did I go wrong? This isn't what was supposed to happen!" Yet the people who would deride this dude as a NiceGuy™ would also yell at our hypothetical cookie maker "you're not entitled to chocolate chip cookies!" Hopefully the man in the screenshot will find the correct recipe for whatever brings him happiness.
I, too, received the line about being "husband material" and not "boyfriend material" a few times. The one that finally got me to wake up and adapt was a friend of mine (who was also a girlfriend to another friend of mine) who not only told me that, but tried to make it sound like I would win in the end, after the women all "had their fun". My response back then, many years before the Red Pill was anything other than a prop in "The Matrix", was the same as it is now: sloppy 170ths isn't "winning". For all that women's advice to men is usually terrible, and I didn't take hers the way she intended, it was very helpful.
This dude seems like he isn't willing to adapt, and I can't really blame him. I adapted because for all that I was disappointed that no girls/women I had found up to that point had saved themselves for marriage, I still thought learning to play the game properly would benefit me. Now that the internet and social media have laid bare female nature, and young women are even less reserved than back then, many men such as the one in the screenshot are deciding that they just aren't worth bothering with.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Being referred to as "husband material" should be a compliment, suggesting that you would a man worthy of a woman's love, affection, sex and submission, but knowing how women put off marriage until they become single mothers or be in a need of a bailout of some kind, modern women make being called "husband material" quite an insult where you only exist to save her from her shitty consequences while she gives you almost nothing you want.
DextroShade 2y ago
"Husband material" is just womanese for beta bucks.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 3y ago
Good point on "husband material." Terms can be compliments or insults based on context. If a woman was gung-ho about getting married as soon as possible (and I don't mean only starting in her 30s, but rather making sure she does not delay marriage to "have fun" and genuinely desires marriage sooner in life), it would be a compliment. But for many women's approach to waiting until the last possible moment to actually work on getting married, it is an insult.
Another way to put it is that the term usage depends on how much a woman respects her husband (either present or future). She shows this respect with her actions and choices. Women who refuse to save themselves for marriage and instead sleep around with many different men certainly do not respect their husbands.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3y ago
Back when my parents met, "husband material" and "boyfriend material" were the same thing because the objective of dating was marriage. Doing the deed wasn't considered until there was an engagement announcement. Not only that, but people didn't "date" much as in a man or woman might have gone out on actual first dates with, perhaps, say, 10 people? And perhaps sex at most with 2 or 3 of them. This wasn't just due to the dating apps but rather women were more discriminating in their partners geared towards "husband material" and wouldn't go out with chad if they felt that he was going to demand she "put out."
Women also knew back then that the "good ones are taken first" similar to when you go Christmas shopping for trees, if you get there Christmas eve you're going to be stuck with that stinker that Charlie Brown picked out.
All that said, men who have value such as being good supporters and providers don't necessarily dislike those traits being seen as valuable just as a (chaste) attractive woman wouldn't mind her attractiveness having market value. The problem is when someone takes advantage of it or is dishonest with you. I came to the realization about 25 years ago that, hey, women were what they were and I was going to get the best deal I could get and when a plain woman expressed interest in me and met my intellectual criteria, I declined. I chose for marriage an attractive woman.
There ARE attractive women in their 30's with low body counts (not due to chastity so much as they were married to their careers or just lazy about meeting men). Courtship for the OP will help him sort out women who are just "settling" for him and have little appreciation for his personal value. Hmmm, it's kind of fun in that situation that just as women use shit tests to see if a man is sincere, men can use them as well.
PHALLUS 2y ago
I'm just gonna do a quick re-write and try to mix in a little bit of a twist, I'll assume you've read the original. I'm not demanding that you accept Krishna as your lord and savior, but if you are an atheist, this will only hurt your brain. If you want to debate religion and the existence of God, be my guest but before you do, I'll ask you, "Do you prefer ass or titts?" Think of your answer, wrong! You've been warned.
Being the security relationship or the "comforter" is great if you are doing it to gain favor with the Lord (other people are not the lord) until you realize how people are people and people act like people, i.e, they do the bare minimum to get what they want and only give begrudgingly. You start to understand that you are not valuable to other people, only what you can provide is valuable to other people. "Valuable" and "valuable to others" are not the same thing, especially when it comes to your own actions. For example, masturbation is valueless to you, but very valuable to the porn industry. "But, wait! I value masturbation because it makes me feel good." And this is why we can't have nice things or civil discourse, because everything is subjective and no one can be wrong so long as they "feel". You can't just say masturbation is bad or cutting off your genitals is bad, you have to say, "Well, it depends on the intersection of-- Jesus Lord Christ!"
If you do what you do to get people to like you, then you are going to have a bad time (hell is other people), I know that your intentions are "good", but reality doesn't care. If the dog is a biter, it will bite, don't matter if your hand only wants to pet it. If you do what you because you do believe it is the right thing based on whatever higher ideal you believe in, then you have truly won. Higher ideals differ from feelz in that you do exactly what you preach, instead of what you feel in the moment. If you are a gym goer, then you know that your muscles grow if you workout regardless of what you feel about being at the gym. I hate the gym, but I still go because I want to be able to carry at least one person out of a burning building in case I ever need to. "So, what you don't get an ego-boost from having big muscles?" I do and it does feel good to have muscles. Could you please stop interpreting everything I write as a claim to being some sort of unbermench superhuman?
Two paragraphs are dedicated to demonstrate that this man is acting in accordance with the code of chivalry. I've had my share of travel, pre-covid, and I can attest that what he describes is the basic decent member of society, any society and any religion and even any skin color, has this as the standard for a decent civilized human being. Decent as in will not try to fuck your wife while you are at work even if she comes on to me. Civilized as in will not shit on the sofa but will hold it till I find a bathroom. Human being is more difficult to explain, but basically will not kill you if you disagree on some point or an other.
In high school, a girl once told him he'd "make great husband material after everyone had their fun and wants to settle." And to be honest, I agree. If he is what he describes himself to be, he would make a wonderful husband. The key word here is "would", which does not equate to "will". This makes this man ask, "What's wrong with me now? What is my worth? Will I be loved for who I am? Or will someone come along and see the life I've built and think, 'he'll do?'"
Yes. This is exactly what will happen. Someone will come along and say, "You'll do." And you will have the option to "will" or "willn't". Who has the power now? You has the power now. See? Buddha does love you after all. You get the suffering first, then you get the reward. And not only do you get the reward, Allah is so generous that he won't force you to accept the reward, you can simply forgo the reward here and now, and add it to your credit for the time you meet Jesus. Freewill at it's theoretical best.
No human is going to love you for "you", because most of us are so solipsistic, that we don't even know ourselves, let alone know others in order to actually love them. If you want love, turn inwards, find your inner light and feel the love. We men were created to give love, not receive it (my own subjective belief, wanna debate ass vs titts again?). We get our love from Jahwe and pass it on the lesser beings in order to make their existence slightly less miserable. Unless you're a feminist single mother with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt pursuing a degree to focus on your future career in Underwater basket weaving. Talk about being like being totally soooooofa king haaappy all the time to the nth degree to infinity and beyond! Have you ever read any social media post where people are sooooofa king haaaaappy while struggling and being miserable all the time but being too good for life itself? Marrying a single mom would be the ultimate win for any man, but only if she is her ultimate true self at at least 90+ kg (180+ pounds).
Fear has multiplied. The girls many of us meet come from horrific family situations with no real support system and so many of us become the friend, parent, therapist, personal bank, tampon, carrier of heavy things, the girlfriend without the girly stuff etc... I've personally been there and I've ended things right before the sex was about to happen. I read studies that sex is not good when there is no intention of life long family and I stopped having it with friends, one night stands, dates and the like. Call me old fashioned, but remember that I'm convinced that I have a soul and that my soul will have to pay the price (ass or titts?). I'm not willing to do the time, so I won't commit the crime. Yes, I did have my whore days where I whored myself for any woman that would let me smash. I'm not nowhere near Roosh numbers, but I ain't no male virgin Mary either. I've had my humble share. Please, lets start a never ending debate on the exact number of "enough" (titts or ass?) and head into the rabbit whole of "everything is subjective".
"I want authentic love." Who doesn't? But, before you wish for what you wish for, try to define that which you are wishing for. Let's say that you actually found a woman that actually loves you "authentically," the way you define authentic where you say to yourself, "This is the one". Would you still see it as authentic if on your wedding night you found out she used to be a man? Get over yourself and I mean this in the exact opposite way of trying to be offensive. If more of us men got over ourselves, things would be better for all of us. We man carry the burden of logic and reason. Logic and reason are tools of the patriarchy because they can't be short-circuited with emotions without horrific results. "I should sow the field, but I feel that if I could just not sow the fields and have fun right now, then god will sow the fields for me. I mean what is god if not a glorified personal nanny? I'm not going to do anyhing and if god doesn't solve all my problems I'll be soooofa king unhaaaappy with him!"
Women are allowed to have delusions, men are not. This is not my opinion, this is what reality has taught me straight to the gut, face, balls, mind, legs, arms, ears, skin and soul over and over again. Give me around 400 years and I might actually learn that lesson for real, but don't hold your breath.
DextroShade 2y ago
The response to the comment about being a good husband that day is "but by then you wouldn't make a good wife." We need to be straight up telling these thots that every dick they take makes them less suitable for marriage.
carnold03 3y ago
Most high school girls are morons. Only a teacher would be aware enough to know that, let alone be daring enough to tell a male student.
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RedPill115 3y ago
I mean...I have seen these guys marry the girl, and not when she hit 30 or someone else's kid or something. Usually I was the more alpha and I either grew disinterested in the girl or just got tired of her crap (her ability to sabotage a girl who was actually interested in me from a distance without knowing about her was legendary).
What I don't know is how well that works out. I know the trp idea, but there's no way to collect real data.
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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 3y ago
This man does not want to just be needed, he wants to be wanted. This is a valid concern considering marriage is no longer held sacred by much of society. A woman can easily divorce a man and get great benefits from doing so, meaning that she can still get the resources she needs without having to abide by her marriage vows. Maybe he is not thinking of that prospect in particular, but he understands what it means to be used, and he certainly does not want that.
That highlighted portion, wow. That is straight up insulting and disrespectful. It is the equivalent of telling a woman, "You're a great lay, but I would sure as hell never marry you." In both cases, you are telling someone that they are not worth the full package of what he or she really wants. Men do not want to wait for a woman to spend a decade slutting it up before they are considered "worthy" of her time. Some men may accept such a bad deal, but this is not what they want. This statement does not even grant the benefit of the doubt that the women who are riding the carousel are somehow unaware of the fact that they are making the man they claim will be the most important to them (because being a husband to a woman is supposed to make him the most important out of all other men) wait the longest and get the least return of reward for his investment. A woman's word that your love is somehow stronger because of the ceremony that was done means little when her previous actions show no proper preparation for what the ceremony is supposed to signify.
With men seeing the deal get worse like this man did, it is little wonder more and more men are checking out of the whole idea of ever getting married.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
That's a great analogy.
Misterautismo 3y ago
I'm a femlurker and I rarely ever engage with migtow posts but I did create an account just to say that posting the first hand stories and experiences of men affected by the dating culture will always resonate more with women than your guys' regular content and shitty monologues ever will. Seeing the effects of "hypergamy"(?) and female dual mating strategy(?) on the mental health on nice, regular men does strike a chord with women because ultimately we are humans capable of empathy and seeing error in our choices when were aware of how it affects others. Women don't always understand how DMS can affect men because it's a side of the equation we're rarely exposed to, migtows in many ways aren't necessarily incorrect in what they say but you guys do truly suck at communicating your point to people who have never shared those life experiences.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 3y ago
WHO THE FUCK CARES.
We're not trying to appeal to women here: women aren't going to change and will never do anything other than act 100% in their best short term interests, and then lie about it.
hahaha this is hilarious.
Women care nothing for the struggles of men. Women see the effects of their actions on men all the time: men are very vocal to women who fuck them over. The female response is always to blame the man and then DO THE SAME THING AGAIN.
Women are not oblivious to what they do: they just don't care.
The only female response to stories as posted is "good, their are men out there waiting for me, but I need to pretend to be interested in them". Women will never care about men in any capacity other than how to maximise their own outcomes. It's how women are wired.
Women understand just fine. They choose to ignore it and blame men and then do the exact same thing.
We have zero intention of communicating our point to women. We've tried and we have all realised that women just don't give a fuck, so it's pointless to try.
I mean you PRETEND to be sympathetic.... but what actually changes? Absolutely nothing - women continue to cheat, lie, and manipulate men and social situations just to get a tiny shred of attention and temporary illusion of security.
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mattyanon TRP Endorsed 3y ago
Yeah..... women are always pushing the same agenda, even when they are on our site raising their concerns. "You guys have a point, but I am CONCERNED at the language you use". This is concern trolling.
Absoluitely.
This is my consistent experience too, and why I almost never "discuss things" with the girls I'm seeing. Communication just reveals your hand and she will never, ever change. She'll do what she's selfishly motivated to do, and that's it. And it won't change when a guy talks it through with her.
Been there, done that. "Just talk it through with her". And I tried, over and over again. Always the same result: as IBelieveInTheFallen says she appreciates the communication, promises to do things differently, and then DOES THE EXACT SAME THING AS BEFORE. It's unbelievable the first 50 times it happens, after that you just accept "this is how women are".
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mattyanon TRP Endorsed 3y ago
Put a > at the start of the line you're quoting
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ThisIsALine______ 3y ago
This isn't mgtow. A lot of us are married. We know there are good woman out there, they're just highlighting what is seemingly the majority, since, in my opinion, the poison of social media and the influence and pressure it puts on woman and young teens, has immensely changed the dating scene, and is becoming increasingly common.
A lot of us recognize that the woman whom end up sad and alone are victims of feministic influence, telling them their doing the right thing, and that is, albeit false, the road to happiness.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 3y ago
It's important to realise that this is not social media's fault. This is women putting pressure ON EACH OTHER, all in order to fight over male attention.
Nah, they know their choices. If they are choosing "I am going to party until I am 35 and then be rescued", they are deliberately planning on fucking over a guy who they intend to lie to. She has it all lined up throughout her 20's..... "I'm going to tell him I've only had three guys before, but he's special". She knows what she's doing - don't let women blame other women ("feminism") for their actions.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I've been happily married 17 years after going MGTOW and abandoning modern women. I am mostly here to prevent suicides/homicides and update my skills so I can teach my sons what they're in for. The OP will eventually see the truth and turn his back on modern women. His story is familiar to most men.It is a story that has been told for decades. He may go on to become an incel and ultimately a school shooter or suicide but not if I can help it.
It's unfortunate that you come so late to the situation. You should probably know what's in store for women. There's an actual medical diagnosis called broken heart syndrome. It hits women ages 50-70 mostly and has risen dramatically. Many modern women will die alone and work until they're 60. Many men are rejecting post-wall hoes that rejected them as "husband material" in their 20s but come running back in their 30s. It's going to get really bad really fast thanks to technology.
Anyway, you go girl! You can have it all. A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, right? Men and women are the same. Masculinity is toxic. Being a wife and mother is slavery. There's a secret tyrannical patriarchy out to get you. Children don't need fathers because all men do is yell and abuse people. Submissiveness and being feminine is bad.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 3y ago
Men work till 65 and die sooner than women, often still paying to support a woman who divorced him decades prior so that she could fuck other men having secured his financial commitment.
Technology has helped women more than men in dating. Tinder provides fast anonymous sex for all women and almost no men.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
I'm not MGTOW. I've been married 16 years now, sometimes happily, sometimes miserably.
Most of our (WAATGM's) mod team and endorsed members are married or have been through the divorce wringer.
As far as communicating to people who haven't shared the experiences:
1) most women don't listen and don't care.
2) most men have to learn the hard way. We're hard-wired to love women, and culturally conditioned to defer to them. It usually takes a jarring experience or two for a man to wake up.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 3y ago
Exactly. I've had several conversations with my mother about some of the shit situations surrounding being a man in today's world. She's a truly wonderful mother, genuinely loves her children and wants the best for all of us, but she's so stuck in the feminist mindset she simply refuses to accept the reality of how bad things are even when her own son tells her via personal experiences.
The woman who gave birth to me, who raised me and loves me more unconditionally than anyone else in the world is ever like to do can't see beyond the programming. Understanding that, I really can't be fucked about some random broad on the internet telling us the way we communicate and share information between men isn't effective at reaching women.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 3y ago
It's not a feminist thing, it's a woman thing.
Can relate - my mother is similar. All my experiences get interpreted through feminism, and it bounces back to me as "it's not these girls' fault, it's because......". And that's the end of the conversation. Zero recognition of the actual impact on me or men in general. Zero recognition of where the blame lies. And quickly followed up with the usual pro-female bullshit like "you'll marry a nice girl someday".
Women are simply biologically unable to understand or care about men or the male perspective.
Haha right :)