I was literally verbally attacked by a slut because I would not date her. She said, and I quote " you have a small dick so your only good for a relationship". Guess that shaming didn't work....I laughed in her face and continued moving on. Her MO was getting drunk and fucking multiple random guys on purpose. So to any female out there who thinks that as a man saying no is misogyny, look the godamned word up before using it. Refusing to be used and belittled isn't hate...and ACTIONS have consequences.

"I felt pressured" is the woman's answer for everything from getting married to having sex to finding a gd job.

Denial, it’s not just a river in Egypt.

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Sounds like she missed the memo that a woman can choose NOT to be in a room alone with a man at 3am...and if he presses the issue she can call for men in uniform before, during, and after the incident that will beat his ass for her.

But who are we kidding? She damn well knows this. She just pretends otherwise because admitting that she made the choice to fuck so many men is that much closer to being held accountable for that choice.

Even if you're dumb enough to take this at face value who the fuck would want to be with a woman that is so pathetic that she can't say no to a man pressuring her for sex?

Sooo the patriarchy that tried to keep you from showing your ankles is the same patriarchy telling you need to sleep around, alrighty!

Way to redirect responsibility. That's my input on the conversation . Use some of that autonomy you keep bringing up and make a decision you are comfortable with fool .

Is that another way of saying, "I say yes to anything that moves."

Its interesting, all I ever heard growing up from media and women was that men only want to sleep with as many women as possible and women commit.

In my 38 years I can say most women I know have far higher counts than pretty much any guy I know and pretty much every guy I know says the same thing. Damn near all have said "If I can find just one good one that would be enough".

I can tell you this, if you're in upstate NY, single and in your 30s you might as well forget about it.

The book of genesis was right.

He made me do it.

My friends made me do it.

Society made me do it.

Chthulhu made me do it.

Im not that kind of girl.

I was taken advantage of.

Why dont you believe me!? Can't you see im crying!?

"My body;My choice... unless that choice is being perceived as a slut. In which case, it is my body your choice"

They are always looking for an out of being responsible for their own actions. I have just come to accept this as fact for most women today.

She's right. I'm not ready, but there is no "yet" about it.

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I just ignore women like this unless we share hobby to talk about or something.

So women cannot be mature responsible adults?

Another dumb statement. I’m becoming addicted to this sub.

Just fucking own it. If you want to sleep with a guy, sleep with him and own that fucking decision.

But in my experience, if you tell a guy “I don’t want to have sex, I want to take it slow” then 99.999% of the time that guy will respect that. Just be upfront. The other % are the creeps and they are a small minority.

This is how they get you.

If you as a man initiates, and she consents, you are raping her.
If you as a man does not initiate, you are gaslighting her by pretending to be intrested then not following through (also you never have sex even with willing partners)

Or stay away from bad boy-drug dealer-criminal type of men? Just sayin’.. I guess we are not ready for that conversation either.

This wouldn't be a problem if she didn't treat men like Pokemon - she gotta bang 'em all!

What is a straip? I tried to Google it but found nothing

Do I learn about boundaries and how to set them?

Oh screw it, it's easier to get screwed.

so she is ok making the 'nice guy' want months for sex while she went to the club twice a week and got railed...because of sexual pressure

Yep. Came here to say what u/lurkerhasarisen said, but let me add:

If you are afraid to say "no" to sexual pressure from men, you should not be allowed anywhere near men. You should not be allowed in public unchaperoned and you need constant adult supervision.

All of life involves pressure from men. All of life involves other people trying to pressure you to do things, say things, take positions, and make decisions. If you are afraid to deal with it, then you should not be allowed to deal with men. Your father and the other men in your family should pick the men you date and the man you marry. (Gee, if only something like that had been tried...)

Grow the F up, ladies. Either you're a grown ass adult, or you are not. If you are, then own your shit and take responsibility for your decisions. That includes responsibility for your "yes" and your "no".

This is why women and their sycophant men push for "yes means yes" and "enthusiastic consent" laws. This is why they want "yes means yes" to replace "no means no". "No means no" recognizes how sexual encounters get started and proceed: Man initiates and escalates. Her proceeding along with him is a tacit "yes". It puts the onus on her to put the brakes on and stop the interactions by saying "no" and then putting up necessary resistance. Her "no" means "no". Anything other than "no" is "yes", which recognizes women's passive, indirect communication style. If she didn't say "no", she's saying "yes". It recognizes how women consent to sex with men - when a woman wants sex with a man, she just lets him lead it and lets him do what he wants. She doesn't say "yes I want to have sex with you so let's have sex". She just lies back and lets him have his way with her.

And women will "want" sex with a man for any number of reasons. She really wants him. She wants a relationship with him. She's lonely. She's bored. She's horny. She's his wife and wants to please him. She wants to get pregnant. She's desperate and panicking and trying to snag a husband. She's in love with him. She wants an orgasm. She wants bragging rights. She wants to see if her friends are right that he's good in bed or has a huge cock. Whatever.

(Men want sex for one reason, and one reason only - they need to nut. And that's OK.)

It also recognizes that men move things forward through their actions - through sexual advances. That necessarily involves some pressure, some bumping up against boundaries and her personal space, and some crossing lines. Each time she allows him in, each time she lets him cross a line without objection, she's consenting. She's saying "yes". She's giving tacit permission to proceed.

To get there, he has to press. He has to move forward. He has to apply some pressure. The only way to know whether it's "too much" pressure is to apply it and be told "no". The only way to know the lines he won't be allowed to cross is to try to cross them and be told "no" or "step back to the other side of that line".

I know this because I've done this. I've run up against a woman's hard boundary and been told "no". I've crossed a woman's lines and been told "nope, step back to the other side". But on the other hand, I've also run up to the boundary and been given the sign to go ahead. I've crossed a woman's lines and been told or shown "OK". I've also been told or shown "go ahead and cross that line". The only way to know is to try.

No means no means men and women are each responsible for their actions. She's responsible to set the boundaries and enforce them. She bears the consequences for failing to set and enforce boundaries (sex she really didn't want, regret sex, drunk sex, unwanted pregnancy, one more notch in the "N" line). He's responsible to initiate and to advance, and for crossing boundaries in the face of a clear "no". He bears the consequences for failing to initiate and advance (he gets no sex) and for crossing boundaries after getting a very clear "no" and for not stepping back across the line after being told to do so (criminal liability for sexual assault). Sexual assault happens when sexual conduct happens without consent.

"Yes means yes" gives women ALL the sexual power, and none of the responsibility. He is responsible for his conduct AND for hers. He is responsible to get "affirmative consent". She is responsible for... nothing. She is not responsible even to say "no". She is not responsible for the sexual decisions she makes - he is.

It's all bullshit - and it infantilizes women. Do women really want this? Do women really want to prove TRP correct - that women really are the "oldest teenager in the house"? Do women really want to agree with TRP that women have no agency and should not be allowed to act autonomously and independently?

"Damn it, Men literally don't know how hard it's for women to keep their clothes on when Chad's around. It's the misogyny for me

put in a situation

Women are not the free-thinking creatures that I assumed them to be.

Perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to sign contracts or own property or have their own bank accounts if they truly can't say "no" to anyone? They might give-away all their money or property to an unscrupulous man who would "put them in a situation"!

Perhaps they shouldn't vote or choose their own careers or answer the telephone? Perhaps they shouldn't drive cars or make medical choices or have any credit cards? Perhaps they should be kept in little locked dollhouses and be fed food pellets through the windows? You can't be too careful!

Her thought process…

I feel “pressured”, because Chad wants to get some action. He can get it elsewhere, but he’s here with me, he’s so hot and all my friends are jealous! If I say no, he’ll ring Ashley (that slag) and never ring me again. Then Ashley (bleh) will be so smug tomorrow, and I can’t let her think she’s better than me! Why can’t I just get everything I want without doing anything? Oh well, chug-a-lug!

Back in the “bad” days, when women “didn’t have any choice”, the default was “no until married”. There was no pressure for women to say no because society already said no. Those kind of women were protected. Feminists wanted to get rid of that, but I don’t think modern women are ready for that conversation yet.

when they are put in a situation

Again with the passive language. Last time i checked it was a crime to be forced to do something sexual you didn't want to. No, you put yourself in situations like that. You are afraid to say no because you know if you do, the guy you actually want that has options, is not going to wait around for you. Stop shifting the accountability. Either you are an adult that has agency in your actions or you don't. Can't have it both ways whenever it's convenient.

“It’s mens fault I’m a slut”

She spelled ‘other women’ wrong

What's a straip?

Edit: Nevermind, OP answered this question in the comments. It's Irish slang for slut

Where are all these passive women who do what they're told?

Thought no meant no?

This is like me telling a cop I’m drunk b/c the bartender keeps letting me buy drinks.

Gaelige - Béarla Translations:

• an straip = “a promiscuous slut”

Classic no agency argument.

"I can't do anything about what happens in my life, things just happen to me!"

'I'm too unassertive to not be a whore'

In before the Salem Bitch Trials in which we penis-bearers are burned at the stake for exist...

...shit.

Well on my case she’s absolutely right, I won’t be ready for conversation ever

I’m a man. And I have felt pressure to have sex by other men on dates. It’s a weird feel that you have to experience to understand. And I’ve done it. But, I also realize that I had a part to play. So. I’ve grown up and learned to say no. And if the pressure continues, I say “I said no”. Dead stop…

I cannot count how many times girls have come up and grabbed my dick. At 15 my brother snuck me into a club and a drunk college girl came and just basically molested me. I was so uncomfortable, still a virgin, but I had to play it cool because I was getting thumbs up from from all my brother’s fraternity bros. I remember her asking why I wasn’t hard and I made up something like “because I like you” and she went in even harder. I grew up as one of the bigger kids in my class so once my awkwardness of puberty was outgrown, girls were all over me. It was not wanted, I grew up shy from being so awkward. My first relationship in high school, a girl had me over to work on a project. Once in her room, she got naked and was trying to seduce me because she knew I wasn’t a virgin. I withheld and asked her to put back on her clothes. Meanwhile my girlfriend at the time cheated on me with three guys, that I know of. Because I am a man, I was taught to feel that guys are supposed to be okay with it and if I said anything, everyone would shame me. Now looking back and hearing all this Me2 bullshit, I’m fucking Me2 But I don’t sit and play victim. Life has moved on and will continue to move on. I’m past my prime so I’m hardly even around people but reflecting back, I’ve been sexually assaulted by MULTIPLE womyns. I’ve never shared that because I thought my insecurities were in my own fucked up head. It’s comforting that other men are sharing their stories and hear that they were uncomfortable with it too. Women talk about guys being grabby but being an athlete in my youth, I had girls constantly rubbing my chest and grabbing my arms. Mdma is what finally helped me get past that uncomfortable feeling because it happened wherever I went so I had to learn to be deal with it. I never even realized that until writing this. That was actually therapeutic. Thank you all for letting me get that out of my head.

Yea some. Overwhelming majority of them do this willingly though.

Im out of the loop, What does straip mean?

What’s a straip?

The psychology of a false accuser.

Illogical.

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