Kevin Samuels was an internet YouTuber and image consultant who broke the internet about 18 months ago with this video he entitled "Average At Best". In it, he talks with a 35 year old black woman with a 13 year old son by an on again, off again sketchy baby daddy. He spends a lot of time talking with her about her "need" for a "high value man". You should watch the video - and Samuels' other videos - for a good red pill education, especially as it pertains to the black community.
This video is a neat, tidy microcosm pointing up everything wrong about intersexual relationships today. The woman is aging out of the market, with too much baggage. She doesn't even understand her baggage or that men don't want it - or her. She has almost none of what men want, and lacks even the understanding that she doesn't have what men want. She called in on his "Disagreement Day", a call in show where people are supposed to confront Samuels with their disagreements on his positions; but said "I just want some advice". Samuels is very patient with her, but she simply cannot understand what he's saying or how it applies to her. She then complains about how "mean" he's being to her, at which point he ends the call abruptly.
What is all this telling us about women?
--women don't respect men. This woman said "Damn his topic, I'm going to demand his time and resources and I'm entitled to them."
--women don't care about men. This woman wants what she wants, when she wants it.
--women don't know men. This woman doesn't understand what "high value men" are or what they want in women. She cannot fathom why a HVM will not want a 35 year old baby mama. She doesn't know who these men are, what they do, how they live their lives, or what they want in women.
--women don't have what men want. She cannot understand that her alleged "6 figure business^ running a doggy day care/pet grooming place doesn't make her sexually attractive to men. When she's asked what she has to offer, she says that she can help a man with his business, that she can plant gardens, and is into self improvement. It never occurs to her that high value men don't need women's help running their businesses; that HVM don't plant gardens and if they did, they wouldn't need help from women with it; and that they don't need help from women with self improvement.
Yes, Samuels contributed to the manosphere lexicon with "High Value Man" and a good, workable, real world definition of the term. But this video, the one that made him famous, points up an undeniable truth:
Women don't know men, they don't know what men are about, and they don't know what men want in a long term relationship with a woman.
Women aren't listening to men.
Oh, women understand that men are about sex. Women understand what men like to fuck. Women understand the kinds of women men like to "kick it" with. Women either don't understand, or don't care, what men want long term. Women don't understand or don't care what it takes to be a wife; and they certainly don't get what it takes to be a HVM's wife. Men are telling women over and over what they want for long term relationships; and women still don't understand it.
Unlike how MSM news outlets are spinning Samuels and his legacy, this isn't misogyny.
It isn't misogyny to tell women what we want and expect women to supply it. It isn't misogyny for men to want what they want.
It isn't misogyny to say that a 35 year old baby mama with a 13 year old illegitimate son who has a sketchy baby daddy isn't attractive to men and doesn't qualify for a HVM.
It isn't misogyny for a man to say to a 35 year old baby mama "No. I don't want you and I don't want that. You don't have what I want."
It isn't misogyny for men to have standards.
It isn't misogyny for men to tell women what they want, and to tell the women who don't have what they want, that they don't have what they want.
It isn't "mean" to tell women "no".
It isn't "mean" to tell women when they're out of order and being rude and disrespectful.
It isn't "mean" to tell women that they need to stop talking and LISTEN.
Until women start listening to men, the problems will continue.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
His message hit home DEEP for me.
I went to a HBCU, career military officer, now I'm on the outside making 80K a year just to read books. I'm 6'0, I bench 275 and have a fit muscular body. I'm well read, well travelled, and damn good looking.
And you know what? Dating is a wasteland for me because the exact reasons stated above.
One thing Kevin never mentioned is why these women are grossly unprepared to handle a man of value. It's the thing I tell every woman who thinks they qualify for me: "You wouldn't know what to do with me if you got me."
The modern woman can barely handle the average man because the modern woman is content with being trash.
If the modern woman really wanted a HVM, she would do the things necessary to get one. If a woman wants a degree, she goes to college. If a woman wants money, she gets a job. Women know how to get what they want.
What they don't know how to do is be honest with themselves. When they get to my age, they might need a HVM, but they know that it comes with work that they aren't prepared to do. They are trained to parrot the things they're supposed to say, but ancient red pill wisdom has taught us to "watch what they do".
The modern woman fucks with losers because she is a loser and being with losers allows her to function comfortably. Occasionally, I'll hook up with one of these women and invariably, they fall back into their old habits because my lifestyle is a constant reminder that they aren't where they need to be in life and that, without a lot of work, they cannot be a real partner for me.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I think one of the major achievements of Samuels that gets overlooked is his success creating content by black people, for black people, that hit into a larger audience of all colors. It wasn't some woke some woke Oprah shit either. If he'd had a fraction of the backing Oprah had from the mainstream, imagine how big he could have gotten.
There's a lesson in this for all of us. We can learn from his success. I could imagine making content by autistic people, for autistic people, that could hit into a larger audience of non-autistic people.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
He would never have found Oprah-levels of success because he broke the first rule about dealing with black women... NEVER make them look at themselves.
Oh you can hold a mirror up to them, but you have to then tell them that what they see is perfect. He just held up the mirror and made them stare... And it was enough to unnerve them.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Well that may be but if he had content writers making shows 5 days a week, editors, and advertising he would have done 10x what he did alone.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
You cannot get those things unless you stay On MeSSaGE
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 2y ago
They understand it just fine, but women know that they don't measure up. So they try to change the game.
Mundane_Worldliness7 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
There was much celebration on Black Twitter at his death, especially among women. Homie moved the ball forward, he mattered. The bitterness he engendered was real. Indeed, though most won’t accept it, his lessons were more valuable to women than men. So much of the problems in dating consists of women and their misunderstanding of their own mate value. When a women who is a four insists on wanting to date eights at minimum, a number of problems follow. Women incentive the behavior they hate in men, they are their own worst enemy.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
Women who were receptive to it.
MentORPHEUS TRP Endorsed 2y ago
Bonnet Crew and Big Shirley mad.
inevitableowl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Women clearly misunderstand their relationship value and notably the difference between who they can attract for sex and who they can attract for a relationship
I just re-read an old link that was hyperlinked recently (I think it is in the side bar) about the woman who wrote and article about being “the” woman that men will sleep with and not love. Packed full of cope. But the comments were most illuminating. One guy even called it out - she wasn’t “the” woman but “a” woman who was like that. The comments where packed with women saying “this is me” or variants of. Loads having empty casual sex and moaning about it but not really self reflecting as to why that might be
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
That they do.
I was in a poker home game last night and one of my poker acquaintances is 60, overweight, and single. Revealed last night that it’s been 5 years since he’s gotten laid. He’s on the dating apps, not getting much luck. I explained to him some of the numbers, like how there’s 3 men for every 2 women on the apps, and the #1 reason why women join an app like tinder is for validation while they’re bored. And when they do show interest in meeting up with men, they’re selecting the top 10-20% of men. So most men get nothing, and a few men get all of it.
Result? All of these women will have some short term relationship with a guy who will eventually dump their ass for someone else, and there’s no way they’ll accept dating the shorter, overweight version of that guy. They deserve HIM.
Also I wanted to tell him to seek out women in their 30’s, but seems like he won’t be doing that for some reason. I couldn’t imagine dealing with single women in their 50’s and the corresponding bitterness.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Single women in their 50s are basically at SMV=0 but with expectations of a 24yr old HB10.
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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
We don't want to pile on more responsibilities on men. Women are adults too and when they fuck up, they should be held responsible for their fuck up. Don't treat them with kid gloves and don't try to be egalitarian by pushing responsibility onto men.
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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
Read this link before you start participating again. Yes, I understand that you are not shaming men and that you are merely shifting responsibilities to men, but it still applies.
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Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
You're not listening. Just like the women in the video...
I'll explain it a bit differently than @moorekom did.
Women need men because they're incapable of taking full responsibility for themselves.
Male authority comes as a result of their responsibility (in a society that is not retarded) and in congruence with their degree of responsibility for their women. Because responsibility without the corresponding authority is slavery and authority without the corresponding responsibility is tyranny.
However, this does not mean that women are incapable of any responsibility at all. It certainly does not mean that women are incapable of choosing right from wrong.
Both conclusions are wrong. Clearly, women are very capable of responsibility, even if they're incapable of full responsibility.
Also clearly, that women are just as capable as men, to choose right from wrong.
Therefore, when a woman makes poor life choices...
It's her fault!
Period.
It is not incumbent on men to fix her poor life choices. Nor are her choices, the fault of men.
Stop blaming men for women's bad choices.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
He's banned. Some people have to finish their journey to be receptive of the message. He's not ready yet.
Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
I wrote it primarily for everyone else
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
I know. I informed you because I don't see any mod notifications like in Reddit yet.
MentORPHEUS TRP Endorsed 2y ago
Another one of his watershed moments was when he was a guest on the Fresh&Fit podcast and confronted a modern business-minded woman Amanda, who calls herself "half a man" and has a voice to fit the title. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxFUWreI7BA
The man's emotional intelligence was off the charts!
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I enjoyed how one of the girls on there knew what was going on and only chimed in to make an accurate statement (she was right in that Miami was founded by a woman). Amanda, OTOH, had no idea what was happening and tried to engage. But of course, her points were nonsense, she was called out, and she reverted to just being an angry boss chick.
This is why women who are aggressive are usually referred to negatively. Because it doesn’t come from a place of logic. It comes from a place of needing to be right. Everyone’s dealt with the woman who aggressively pushes for something detrimental, and no one wants to be involved with them.
MentORPHEUS TRP Endorsed 2y ago
She was a great example of what Kevin called SIGN language. That's the Modern Woman response toolbox of Shame, Insults, Guilt, and the Need to be right. Amanda also demonstrated her failings understanding the Map-Terrain relation. Kevin used the example of pretty girls getting into clubs for free while ugly girls pay full price as an example of unfairness and inequality that women are OK with because it benefits them. Amanda treated the map as if it was the terrain self, and tried to debate Kevin by refuting the analogy instead of the actual subject by responding, "I don't go to clubs any more."
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Yup, that she didn’t. Either she was too obtuse to get the point, or she couldn’t refute it. The point stands that modern women don’t have much to say when double standards benefit them.
A great example is sentencing at court. Men get longer sentences for the same crime. Just like the gender wage gap, though, it’s a lot more complex than discrimination. Men have more strikes against them on average. They have no problem acknowledging that. But reasons for women making less than men, that’s all the patriarchy to them because reasons.
inevitableowl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
The aggressive pushing of something detrimental comes up in any “debate” over abortion. I am in the U.K. where it isn’t a hot button issue but I still had a woman who is normally very calm and reasonable aggressively bust out the “we should give all men vasectomies that they reverse when they prove themselves ready for children” line
The levels on which that “argument” is absurd are numerous and not really worth going into. Point is that is comes from feelings and emotions rather than logics. As a simple starting point - it isn’t the direct equivalent, or even close to that; because we are not debating about tube tying women. They have taken “control of bodies” and gone straight to the emotionally driven extreme
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Yeah. It’s not the same. One is a stance held based on when you find a life worth being protected by law (immediately at conception? When it feels pain? When it can exist outside of the womb? All the way until Mom is pushing it out?). Another is an invasive procedure. Even if it’s reversible, it’s not the same.
But yeah, welcome to feminism. All emotions
inevitableowl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
They seem to have real trouble with the idea that there isn’t a male parallel they can sensibly use
I guess that stems from years and years of trying to deny the differences between men and women (unless such differences benefit them of course)
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I don't give a fuck if a woman gets an abortion if she isn't my wife.
With that said, you know the #1 cause of abortion? Pregnancy. Now, if I gave a shit about stopping abortion - REALLY stopping it - I know that the only thing I can really control is my seed and a vascetomy is the most reliable way to do it.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
And it sure as fuck isn't the same thing that women want or as I keep saying, if it were, men would just fuck and marry men.
ZZoMBiE13 2y ago
"Until women start listening to men, the problems will continue."
And if we talked until the heat death of the universe, most of them still wouldn't get it.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
One observation about Kevin Samuel trying to communicate with the woman was her claiming to "improve herself". It's tragic that if such women did "improve themselves", like men did, they would have a very good chance at landing a man with much of what they want (including height and money.)
As men are aware, the dating apps are a wasteland so many men eventually figure out game including social skills on how to approach people, network, and such. When a woman such as this says she's "improving herself", she means she's making more money (to price herself out of the market) but doesn't really improve her ability to find and appeal to men she desires. That IS possible but it would require her to be less demanding, bossy, standoffish, and lazy. These are actually the skills she thinks she's "improving" on.
These are skills women had in abundance about a century ago back when women were oppressed. Women outside of the USA often possess much of these charms to the disgust of American women. Nonetheless, they are traits such men desire and make them more available.
But why should we help women such as this? To assist their hypergamy?
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
A masculine woman is going to attract a feminine man.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
I observed my niece whose quite gorgeous, 23, and raised by an independent "career woman" mother whose in charge of the household. Her father blew about a cool quarter million on her education and I asked her what she planned to do with her high income job out of college and she said "I plan to get an even more advanced degree and marry a rich man." I wonder if she was joking but I doubt it.
I found out from relatives that she had already had 5 one year sexual relationships with Alpha Males. These men either were military/police guys or successful professionals but, supposedly, the men got too "bossy" and threatened her "independence" and she'd walk out on them. Then they'd cry for her to come back and she'd reject them as pathetic betas. This apparently has happened a few times.
So here's the thing: She did attract alpha males, including a few alpha bucks, but she doesn't like them talking back to her and they fail her shit tests. The vast majority of men don't have access to red pill/game wisdom so they learn it by experience. Such women may really attract alpha bucks in their early years, but they don't know what to do with them. By the time she wants them again, will they still be naive?
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
What attracts girls to alphas is their value, resourcefulness and their options. The minute they "beg" a girl for something, he is brought down from his mythical position to that of a mere human. I suspect this is why she loses interest as soon as they ask her to come back. The correct approach is to screen her early, to not commit to her at all after figuring out that she isn't worth committing to and to pump & dump her if one is so inclined. If she wants commitment, she must earn it by submitting first.
It is not easy and not worth it to undo the damage of bad parenting and ego-reinforcement by family, friends and society. It's far easier to avoid or to utilize her for what she is actually worth.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
Minor quibble: What attracts girls to such men is their APPEARANCE of value, resourcefulness and options. Game is about simulating "abundance" just as women use waiting for men to approach and makeup against men.
Technically, these men are still high value but just a bit young and naive. Quite frankly, I think they dodged a bullet.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
Appearance of value is enough. But actual value is what they expect. Only high value women have a chance to get that.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
I had an interesting thought about that distinction you just made: Maybe it's not they "expect" "actual value" so much as they don't even consider the notion that there's a different between actual, and perceived value or bother to think about it. That at least during courtship, perceived value is the same as actual value.
And then when it turns out to not be the case, they switch it: "all men are jerks" meaning that suddenly, NO men have actual value.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
Few men might actually have the "value" they're looking for. A lot more will have potential. Value and appearance of value are different, but not easy to distinguish for girls who are into the party life style.
12monkeys 2y ago
he kept her for quite a long time considering her playing with the phone like she didn't give a shit
tis episode reminds me of myself when I try to train sometimes some chicks: i would give punishment for talking back, but I allow talking back if 5 minutes passed form the topic.
Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Conversely, men listen to women. Oh boy do we listen to women. We listen intently and we take their desires to heart.
That's why every young man is a starry-eyed, blue pilled cuck. A spineless man who fulfills her every wish. A man who embodies all the traits that women claim to want.
What do they get in return?
They get chewed up and spit out. They get stepped on and disrespected. This is how men find the bitter truths of the red pill. Because a woman or women, shoved that jagged bitter pill straight up his ass with no lube....
When women fall in line with men's desires, everyone is happier. When men fall in line with women's desires, everyone is miserable.
Because men love women. Men care deeply about women. Can you say the same about women?
No. You can't.