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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago Stickied
Related reading:
"Saving the Best" by Rollo Tomassi.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
The final paragraph of that article is a gut-punch. Women who say that their past doesn't matter and that even husbands have no right to expect anything from their wives truly have no idea how emasculating that is. Emphasis added:
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
This is why I think men should only go for women with low body counts for potential relationships. But sex has to factor in to that relationship before marriage. If she really wants you, all of those “gross” things would be done with absolute glee. Hell, my girl has hinted at wanting to try the backdoor, and I’m the one who is uncomfortable with that (everything from the logistics to the fact that I’d imagine it could hurt her).
Basically, if she behaves like she’s not attracted to you, then she probably isn’t.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
The "Saving the Best" guy's wife claimed that she had only been with one guy, as I recall. By manosphere standards any woman with a single-digit n-count is basically a virgin.
The right answer is zero. The number one factor that predicts whether a woman will file for divorce is whether or not she's ever had sex with another man. The difference between zero and one is as significant as the difference between one and twenty-one. The Heritage and Teachman studies made that point very clear.
I created a short saying that encapsulates the data:
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
That is true. Though stats I’ve seen suggest that it’s like 0, 1-9, and 10+. 0 is the best chance you’ll have. 1-9 is probably a coin flip. 10+, there’s no way.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
It’s hilarious that I’ve literally been the “white man” in this equation. Dated some Indian girl for awhile. She outwardly told me that she preferred white American guys to men back home for a myriad of reasons. As she probably mentally compares the average man from central India to a top 10% white American man without realizing it.
Then those top 10% men won’t want her anymore, and she’ll probably crawl back to Indian dudes. Assuming that they can pay the fee.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I’ve been on the same end of this too man. They want nothing to do with Indian men in general. True hypergamy at its finest. There is this strong notion to them that white is somehow better. Look no further than the scores of Indian tech bros who make good money but still struggle with women. It’s bizarre. Being a single, tall, white, high earning, decently attractive middle age man is the counter to peak female beauty. It’s living life on easy mode. As an aside, I know this statement may sound controversial, but I’m basing it on studies that show women’s preferences on dating apps, and not some personal axe I have to grind. It’s just an observation.
I dated a Pakistani pediatrician for awhile. The way that she looked at me and the things that she would do to and for me was quite eye opening, really putting me up on a pedestal. There were a variety of other incompatibilities, but the desire she had for me was something else. It’s addictive to see women in their peak giving feminine form.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
You don't spend your 20s pumping points into the "slut" talent tree then try to unlock "wife" class perks.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
The last paragraph is chilling. I can't put together why? What can I do to snap him out of his insecurity?
The guy woke up, and its sound like it was just in time. He figured out that he was her beta bucks pension plan. No man wants that. No man wants reluctant, clock watching duty sex. I'd rather have nothing. It would be less humiliating.
It's not insecurity - its actually situational awareness. She could benefit from some of that.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
Women love to call men acting in their own interest "insecurity". It's a manipulation tactic.
"You don't want to marry a hobag with a high notch count? You're just insecure that you can't measure up to her exes!"
"I can't believe you don't want me to go to Vegas with the girls! You're so controlling and insecure!"
Etc.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I think Lone Ranger deserves a flair upgrade for some of his insights. Impressive
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
Heh. Let nature take its course.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I’ve already told my girl that I’m cool with her going out. Why? Because she’ll go out with her aunts, she’ll tell me where she’s going, and she’ll text and call me when she’s out. So when women complain that we are “insecure”, maybe like 10% of us? The rest just aren’t sure why you need a girls trip to Cancun when you have a husband and kids at home.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I just turn their bullshit back on them.
"You don't like me going out drinking with my ex? Why are you so insecure?"
"You don't like that I go on personal vacations without you? Stop being so controlling!"
"I don't have to reply to your messages right away, you're not my mom."
DextroShade 1y ago
He wasn't her first choice he was her last choice. She gave her best years to the streets and now that she's mere months from 30 she expects a betabux to take her in and put up with her in exchange for once-a-month starfish sex. Good for her boyfriend for seeing through her scam. To the streets she shall return!
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yeah, it’s crazy that she thought this was acceptable. You’re at least supposed to fake sexual passion until you get a ring! A guy with little experience can easily fall for that trap, because they’ve never experienced how a woman behaves when she truly wants you. Hell, my girl initiates with me constantly. That’s how it should be.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
Some? That's quite a tell that she tried to quietly slip in there. Let''s go on:
Boom. Headshot.
At least he won't end up like the "Saving the Best" guy.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
I immediately thought of that article too and stickied a comment linking to it before I saw your comment.
Fucker beat me to it!
Pic889 1y ago
Translation: Raj Betabux was getting the absolute minimum amount of duty sex required for the relationship to technically classify as an intimate relationship (emphasis on "technically").
It wasn't the WhatsApp, the WhatsApp was the confirmation.
And this folks is why, if you must get married (you shouldn't), because for example you are religious or whatever, you should at least live with the woman full-time for at least 4 years before marrying. The last 2 years of those 4 years is how your marriage will be like. It's easy to be blinded when the other party is putting up all the pretenses, but they can't do that for more than a couple of years.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I’ll raise this counter: if you insist on that long before offering marriage, then you don’t really want marriage. And if you don’t want marriage, there’s no reason to cohabitate with a woman. So, just don’t.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Disagree on the advice precisely because I am "religious" but I get your point.
Another way I've heard this put is that the "honeymoon" stage lasts for about two years, after that you actually start to see that the other person has flaws, and are more realistic about deciding if you can deal with those for a lifetime.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
It’s why I just let my freak flag fly early. If you don’t like me throwing melties over some bad results in online multiplayer modes of video games or watching sports like a zombie, or my odd quirks, well, there’s the door. These are harmless oddities.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
"Sorry that you wiped the whole raid, honey"
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Notice how at the end she makes his interpretation of her past transgressions all his fault too. Self awareness is a tool of the patriarchy!
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
As I keep saying, her past taste in men is her current and future taste in men too. If you aren't like them, you are getting a preview of the kind of man she is going to cheat on you or leave/divorce you for.
Or worse, stay with you and try to guilt you into accepting a far worse deal than she offered other men, like this slag is trying to do. They never seem to grasp what a mortal insult that is to a man, but of course that would require them to see a decent man as a human being instead of a status or utility object whose only purpose is to make her life more convenient.
thekagaccount 1y ago
boyfriend is a well put together guy, smart confident. He is respectful to the women in his life, has a great work ethic and a great communicator
Wonderful. Since women are universally and exclusively attracted to good people, I'm sure she gets wet just by thinking about him.
All that changed after snapchat pulled up memories from "5 years ago" and it was a picture of me cuddling next to a guy whom I was hooking up with at the time...Later that day he then starts asking me about the people I have dated in the past saying he is just curious and that understanding my past helps me better understand the woman I am today.
It would seem that the image he saw, plus additional factors in their relationship, compelled him to launch an impromptu audit.
There were periods where I just wanted guys to hook up with but then there were times I would try to get into relationships but I would often go for guys who guys weren't long term relationship material, and guys who weren't into me but just wanted attention and sex. It wasn't until when I hit 29 that I was like okay I need to really date with a purpose.
Since she would, in her own words, "go for" guys who weren't long term relationship material, and guys who weren't into me but just wanted attention and sex, it is logical to assume that these men sexually interested her. Furthermore, it is logical to assume that those whom she did not go for, did not sexually interest her. Then, at 30, she ends up with Rajbux after deciding to "date with a purpose [other than sexual excitement]". Well, some men accept that, so the audit doesn't have to (and didn't) end here. Moving on...
...then he is like do you mind showing me some photos of what your situation-ships were like? I said that it was weird and I don't feel comfortable
Why did she feel uncomfortable? Because her subconscious mind knew that her value to him was being assessed.
he then says that it feels like I am hiding stuff and that when the snapchat notification came up I acted too nervous like I had something to hide.
Why did she act nervous? Because her subconscious mind (perhaps even her conscious mind) knew that she might be audited, would almost certainly fail, and lose a valuable man forever.
He then asks me if I have dated any Indian guys (we are both Indian). I am like yes, I have.
"Of course! Since 29 years old :)"
And then he is like not just going on dates were any of my fwb were ever Indian. And I was like that is such a weird question but no. Then he is like oh okay. And then just drops the conversations.
He inquires whether she has ever found a man like himself attractive enough to lie with, without any commitment. She felt it was a weird question because her subconscious knew that the answer would decide what timeline she would inhabit: a universe with him, or one without him. He dropped the conversation because the audit was finished. Let us see the result:
We finally have this talk and he says that he has second thoughts about our relationship, and he thinks that White guys are my actual type and that I am only with him because I wasn't able to actually date the type of guy I really wanted long term not just hook up and that he is the fallback plan. I told him a 1000x times that he is my first choice but he starts saying that our relationship isn't very sexual and that he feels like its because he is not White and I have all these boundaries with him.
With his audit finished, these factors now make sense to him. To all the mods here: he was able to do this because of people like you, thank you. Your work is absolutely not in vain.
MelkorHimself Mod 1y ago
She also didn't praise her bf's appearance once.
maseboogie Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yep. You can always tell their level of attraction (or lack thereof) in their bf by what they don't say about the guy's physical features.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Yeah if he had been Chad tier she'd be salivating at the opportunity to increase her social standing by proxy by talking about how attractive he is. And she'd have next to no boundaries because that's a great way to make Chad insta-bail and these women know that though they'll never admit it openly.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
It could not get out without all of us putting in the effort. Speaking of which, please cross-post this to reddit and flair it as dual-mating strategy.
https://old.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/
thekagaccount 1y ago
Done (different username)
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
Thank you.
chunky 1y ago
She's getting roasted in the comments, too.
Wouldn't surprise me if she takes it down, soon.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago Stickied
If you also comment at the subreddit, don't reveal that you sought out the source. Rule 4 on our sidebar:
That was to protect the subreddit from overzealous admins accusing us of brigading and harassment.
On this forum, I honestly don't see a problem with it, as long as you don't comment there or talk to that OP.
tag: @moorekom, @Kevin32, @lurkerhasarisen - thoughts?
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
From forums perspective, there is no reason to prevent people from commenting at the source as long as they do not reveal where they saw it to prevent bad optics. However, considering that reddit waatgm still exists, we still have to play it safe enough so that we do not get axed there. It is still recommended to keep the discussions to the reddit or forums versions. As long as we keep to ourselves, no one can accuse of harassment of any kind.
@kevin32, @lurkerhasarisen.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
We have gone to great lengths to keep ourselves off the naughty list over there, and we extend courtesies well beyond what we get in return because we all know that the admins there are about as even-handed and neutral as the DoJ. That said, I think the rule that keeps us from getting deplatformed there is a net positive. Over here? I couldn't care less about preserving the fee-fees of man-haters. I don't care to go out of my way to harass them, but if a guy wants to point out the obvious... that's not my business as long as there are enough degrees of separation to eliminate any blow-back.
Personally, I have given up engaging with them at all (although it took me a long time to stifle the urge). The only minds that might be opened are people who lurk, but the ideologues and regulars are too far gone to be logic'ed out a position they didn't logic themselves into (and they're shout you down and downvote you to invisibility, at which point the mods will remove the comments and ban you anyway).
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
Looks like you are becoming as jaded as I am. The big difference between an argument and a discussion is that in one of them both parties are open-minded and are willing to learn.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
I've been at this for a long time, and I realized long ago that my real audience was... the audience and not my "opponent." However I have even (mostly) lost interest in doing that. There are plenty of sources of truth for people willing to know it, and my willingness and ability to thoroughly and systematically demolish the "arguments" of feminists, leftists, atheists, etc is largely a matter of "throwing pearls before swine."
If some of those lurkers would chime in once in a while I might feel differently. I know they're out there because many web pages list the number of page views, but if they're not going to engage they must not feel all that strongly about it. Hard truths are... well... hard, and most people prefer pretty lies and the path of least resistance.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Reminds me of my mental mind state a while back with that one fool on the twitter-clone side of this site whose political viewpoints had very apparently not been updated since the early-mid 90's and who got their panties in a wad that I did not use labels they personally approved of.
Just could not be arsed to indulge their bullshit, especially since I had directly served in the institutions they were arguing about.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
Username checks out!
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Shocker that Reddit would allow the people to stand up for men of any race/religion/language/etc.
But yeah, it’s simple. Let’s take race out of it. If every guy a girl dated from 18-28 was some sort of jock, and suddenly around “settle down” time she wants a nerdy dude, the nerdy dude is going to have questions. Especially if she’s stringent with the sex, while other guys had her coming over when they were bored on a Wednesday night.
MelkorHimself Mod 1y ago
"Making a man in your present pay for stuff in your past equals no future." --Kevin Samuels
https://youtu.be/six3vlPSE1c?t=197
Jules 1y ago
Daaamn, that's such a great line
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
I found it interesting that although KS told her to fix her problems before she put herself in the market; he would have been willing to cut her a lot more slack if she had been a virgin. He didn't spell it out explicitly, but the obvious implication was that a woman who's not a virgin can't expect the next guy to be willing to wait a long time and jump through a lot of hoops. A virgin can.
That's one of the things the writer of the original post doesn't get: once you set the bar at a certain height, you're going to have a hard time convincing a guy to let you raise it starting with him. It's not just the length of time she wants to make him wait, but also the "boundaries" she sets that she never set before.
When this topic comes up in the misandry community (I could name half a dozen subredidits), the women always claim that what they did in the past should have no bearing on what they're expected to do in the present, while also claiming that past "trauma" is a get-out-of-accountability-free card when the current man wants to same things they gave to the previous men... especially if she wants to increase the "price" by demanding a level of commitment she never demanded before.
I agree: it is her right to put any conditions on anything she wants, just as it is his right to walk away if he thinks he's being played, or is dealing with a woman who hasn't dealt with the consequences of her bad decisions in the past.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Virgins should be taught what a precious gift their virginity is, and that once lost it can never be recovered in any sense of the word. Once you separate from that first man, you are forever damaged goods. Sorry, but that's the way it is ladies.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
Youth and virginity.
maseboogie Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Epiphany Express right on schedule!
Shout-out to the guy for his "All-22"-style breakdown of her choice in previous guys and why she decided to get with him. That Snapchat ping was a God send.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
"It wasn't until I hit 29 I thought that I ought to get off the CC. I mean, damn I do love those Bad Boy Tingles (TM) and it sure is very exciting how they would treat me like the worthless piece of shit that I am, but I knew that I was going to have to lock down some beta bux because I can't manage bills n' shit on my own, plus I really need to replicate because all my friends have had a baby and I'm feeling left out."
FIFY
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
Lol. There is a polite and politically-correct way of defining being pumped and dumped.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
she means the CC.
NewReligionOfSociology Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yeah, most of us white nerdy types know that this is true, but from the "receiving" side of the exchange. I'm ashamed to have participated in it. Modern love life is brutal for south and east Asian men. He made the right choice though, he can find someone else. She's less likely to recover so easily.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yeah I remember like a decade ago, talking to my south Asian friend and what a struggle dating is, because women automatically assume he’s some nerdy guy. I thought I had struggle as a white guy for years, but thats nothing versus what I’m sure Indian men go through.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1y ago
I find that the type of guys women prefer to hookup with are their actual type, they just can't lock them down because they guy is in a hookup mindset or has options because he is sexually attractive.
A woman's flings really are an insight into what she actually was looking for to me
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
The type of guys they prefer are everyone's type.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1y ago
You know I never thought of it this way. You mean the kind of guy virtually ever girl goes for?
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
At least the majority.
Jules 1y ago
Apart from the personal preferences (which I would say play some, but rather a minor part overall), it also depends a lot on culture, I think. In the west, we have the Chad archetype of 'tall, dark and handsome' whereas in South East Asia for example it is somewhat different:
The culture thing works for guys, too - most guys in the West don't like overweight women. I think I've heard in parts of Africa, girls with a bit more meat in the bone are preferred. It makes sense - because in a poverty and hunger stricken environment, overweight is the rarity, not skinniness.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I have noticed that Indian women are crazy for white guys. They really really really want to lighten the skin tone of their offspring, for social status reasons. Pale skin is like a fetish for them.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
I was talking about the underlying basics. This conversation will have to about the distinctions on top of it. No girl wants a loser. Yes, she might have her "type", but more likely than not, he has to be in-demand.
Einsamer 1y ago
I think it's more nuanced. Girls have types too. Some like super jacked, others like defined or even cute/feminine. You certainly can get some insights into what their type is.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
Read up on preselection.
Einsamer 1y ago
What's your argument?
NewReligionOfSociology Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Are the cute/feminine guys you're talking about just famous / singers?
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
What she doesn't say is revealing everything.
She loved bad boys that treated her like shit. Now she is ready for serious dating. Boyfriend realises that he is her beta bux choice.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Yup, he realized he was far from her First Choice, more like her Last Resort. Which is insulting enough by itself, but then she quadruples down on it by lying to him about it and expecting him to accept a worse deal than prior men got for higher prices.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
100% correct. It would be so humiliating to accept the deal that she is offering.
Jules 1y ago
Dude would make a fine interrogator. Don't starts off by accusing but rather asks and prods, let's her talk and hands her just enough rope to hang herself.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I know a ton of Indian women, they absolutely love to talk and gossip and nag, even more than American women if that's possible.
I've sat with a bunch of Indian guys in my house talking about how their wives make them do stuff they don't want to do, they are all afraid of making them mad, the tongue-lashing they will get.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
What an awful way to live. The thing is... the women don't like it, either. They would be much happier if their husbands would tell them to shut up and put them in their place, but they've been conditioned to view anything other than contempt towards their husbands as degrading. Unfortunately, the legal system can out-alpha anybody, and the guys themselves have been told that putting up with wife agrro is their job anyway, so on it goes in a cycle of mutual bitterness that the women could break but won't.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
This is exactly why it’s so important to set tone, frame, and expectations early on if you choose to be in a relationship. Even with that you run the risk of being “abusive” when she talks to her girlfriends, but personally I don’t care. Women lack the requisite self awareness to give proper advice anyway
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yeah the Indian parenting is quite different for boys and girls. Girls are treated like princess flowers, the boys are smacked around (physically and mentally). Also Indians in general have a much stronger connection to extended family, and therefore are afraid to be seen as "rebels".
I've known a bunch of incredibly smart Indian guys, but never met one willing to stand up to his wife and tell her "no".
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
thotaudit
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Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
It makes sense that guys will want to regularly fuck the women they are willing to marry because Men WANT Women. Gals are willing to marry men they are not at all sexually attracted to if they feel they have to get married badly enough because Women NEED Men.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
That sounds familiar!
Tag @loneliness-inc
Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 1y ago
It sounds familiar because it is familiar
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
She means to say that he came along after her odometer flipped past 999,999,999 miles....
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yeah, first choice, but last to be fucked.
This bitch. I really loathe what women have become because they could be so much fucking better.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Still plenty who are and actually reward the man that they accept commitment from with sex and love. But those women get snatched up fast. What’s left is a bunch of emotionless CC riders who got told by someone that they need to act like a good girl to get the “good provider” that they really want. Guys who want a family tend to not have a high body count.
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