Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
Clearview
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
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5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)
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5b. No posts of women who are merely fat, post-wall, unattractive, seeking sex or money, nor women merely behaving badly. (Examples NOT allowed)
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Wasted her 20's on men that would not commit (by her own admission), and is big mad that men in their 30's see no need to commit to a woman that did that.
Her entire cope and seethe is predicated on the assumption that men have nothing better to do with their lives than to comply with her chosen life plan and to hork like retarded seals upon her command.
kevin32 Ambassador for NiceGuys™ 1y ago
@Clearview, for future reference these women can be flaired Epiphany Phase since her focus is on how her dating life has changed being older than younger.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Her observation reminds me of how I, as a "seasoned citizen", realized in my 40's how employers took advantage of my "work ethic" I had been raised with to exploit me such as not recognizing the extra value of things I did for the company that weren't on the job description. I learned a valuable lesson on office politics which was that I wasn't being paid to bring value to the company, but rather for the PERCEPTION of value my boss thought I was providing to him. So even though my field has rampant age discrimination and I refuse to put up with unnecessary nonsense, I was able to offset that by figuring out their game.
As this woman aged, she has more demands but she hasn't increased her own value or even the perception of such (see above.) Despite being self-centered, she has little awareness of how she is perceived by the men she desires (or more accurately, the men who have status, money, etc. she desires.) Also, it doesn't occur to her that these men may have figured out what makes her tick. As we grow old, we have a choice in that we can also "grow" as well.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Did everyone notice how she framed hitting the wall as something positive?
To her, it apparently means she can be MORE choosy as she has the requisite life experience (ahem…notch count) to see through Chad’s pump and dump strategy.
What many women fail to understand is that it isn’t just your beauty that fades with time, it’s your optimism, femininity, and relative purity that escape with each thrust of Chad and Tyrone’s cock at 2:30AM. Nobody wants to try and pursue an alpha widow or a jaded whore with 20+ former partners, or raise someone else’s kids.
The game is so easy for women. Just select one of the millions of high quality options in your early/mid 20s that are literally throwing themselves at your feet and treat him well. Women can’t even do that. The allure of the cock carousel must be feminist catnip.
StrongWoman 10mo ago
Yes. At first, I paused and thought "No f*ing way"; I was actually impressed that she seemingly just within a rather short period of time, realized what had happened to her and what aging does to a man's perception of a woman like her. But yeah, no, actually she is just really mature now, and knows what she wants. I am really baffled as to how much women deem their own demands as virtues.
SSeuSS 1y ago
This conviction is pretty reasonable and coming from old crashtest commercials where scientific analysis showed that cars after hitTing the wall gained value and dummies with rearranged internals were more healthy.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
She's talking about a wall, not The Wall. This wall is of her own making You see, she couldn't get Chad in her 20s unless she was his booty call. So now she's choosing not to be his booty call and noticing plenty of other women, often younger, will do that. So she kinda identifies the problem but gets the diagnosis wrong. It won't be until she actually tries to compete that she will truly hit The Wall.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
One of the bricks in the wall is the one that takes her off the radar of men who set the top of their age range at 29 on dating apps.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Only a woman could say "hit the wall" and then try to make it out as if they've magically crossed a threshold where they don't take any crap.
No, you "hit the wall" for real, and your value is declining. Cope, seethe, whatever - your replacement has perky tits and an ass that won't quit.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
She used to deal with crap regularly cos she was young and 'living her best life', but loathe she is to admit it, since she has hit the wall, she understands that she cannot afford to waste her time anymore, but as we all know, she will start demanding more from men while offering less.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
I always marvel at that, and yet it's a constant theme here: women who have destroyed their value in the marriage market by slutting around in their teens and twenties think that they're entitled to men who have been building up their MMV the whole time.
All they demanded of men during their "Finding Myself" / Party years was physical attractiveness and a bit of swagger... things they were born with. And they gave those guys the very best years of their lives.
I would argue that not only do the women offer less: they don't offer anything... at least in the sense that they have negative value as potential wives. The guy who marries a woman after she's been flung from the carousel gets a woman who doesn't know how to be a wife and is likely to make his life miserable, and he doesn't even get to party with her.
She's done with that, don't you know? If she wanted to be fun she'd be with someone else (or a series of somebody elses).
Yet despite the fact that she went from offering a lot to guys who just wanted sex to offering less than nothing to a guy who wants a wife and kids, her demands skyrocket. Being tall and cocky isn't enough anymore: the guy has to have acquired all sorts of attributes that require years of work, self discipline, and personal sacrifice... years that she spent giving her irretrievable best to other men.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
She admits that she spent her 20s "entertaining" men who had no desire to commit. The THOT-to-English translation is that she was bed-hopping with men she found attractive. It's possible that if one of her f-buddies had offered commitment she might have taken it, but guys like that don't have to marry girls like her to get them to spread their legs. She's attractive enough that she could have gotten commitment from a HVM if she'd been looking for that and been willing to offer what wife-grade women offer.
Just yesterday in another thread I noted that as men who were previously overlooked come to the attention of women at the Epiphany Stage (like this woman), unless they're already red-pilled they're likely to interpret their sudden desirability as an indication that it's their turn to be a pony on the carousel. After a decade or two of getting scraps, they're suddenly getting love-bombed by multiple women.
When they're being treated like the Chads were being treated in their 20s, why would they act any differently when they are presented with the same variety of options in their 30s? It's not like those same women were demanding commitment as a prerequisite for sex before... why should a man with options commit to any one woman when he finally gets to take a few spins on the carousel himself... especially since there are plenty of women willing to compete for him in the only way they've ever known?
He's a pony on the carousel now... the fact that one woman wants to turn him into a plowhorse is of no concern when other riders are lining up. The fact that they're just trying to lasso him as a plowhorse is irrelevant... the motivations of the women throwing the V at him don't much matter as long as multiple women are doing it.
We often tell men that they can't turn a whore into a housewife, but nobody wants to tell women that they can't turn a carousel pony into a plowhorse.
Women often frame this as arrested development among men who don't offer commitment to Epiphany Stage women ("I grew up... why don't men grow up, too?"), but they fail to realize that their dual-mating strategy targets different groups of men. The men being pursued for commitment now are not the same men they were pursuing for tingles then. Quite the contrary, in fact: the men who are sought-after in their 30s are new to being chased. They weren't participants who might have "grown out" of their desire to party - they were observers who were never invited to the party in the first place.
After standing in the rain for 10-15 years they're finally being allowed to enter the rave, and as soon as they get to the dance floor some slut who's worn out from dancing with 50 guys wants him to take her home so she can get some sleep.
Nope.
Pic889 1y ago
This is why the the red pill was practically censored out of mainstream social media: Whatever obligation men feel to wife up a woman because HER time is running out goes out of the window the moment those men are exposed to the red pill. Which of course hurts women's feelings and is not approved by advertisers, and as such got censored out of mainstream social media using flimsy excuses.
Basically, if non-Chad starts getting the benefits of Chad in his 30s and early 40s by fake-promising marriage to women he has no intention to marry, it's over for the kind of strong independent womanhood that relies on financially and emotionally exploiting non-Chads.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
You're digging pretty far into the past. I made this comment eight months ago.
As it turns out, just yesterday I commented on an article that said that if a woman hasn't been married by her 40th birthday, she only has a 1-in-4 chance of being married by 60. As a practical matter that means that a woman who rides the carousel to the Epiphany Phase who doesn't quickly align her standards will probably never marry at all.
They waste their pre-EP years on AFs, then their post-EP years on men they previously shunned because it's their turn to be carousel ponies. After a few spins around the BF carousel, it's too late for them.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 1y ago
This is so well described that I wish I had come up with it.
Even if these women do not realize that these men are not in the same pool of men who were easily getting casual sex, they seem to get more mad at the guys who they previously kept on the back burner when the guy refuses to take up the provider role that the woman assigned him. They just assume that because they were getting all the best attention from the men who gave them the tingles, if they just shift their focus on a man who was left on hold until now that he will still be waiting for her.
Finding out that the man who was never on her radar until the moment she needed him does not want to go along with her plan is a harsh but deserved blow to these women. If you want something the most, you prioritize it. These women proved they did not prioritize the type of man that was stable and reliable when they expected them to wait over a decade when many of these men were ready to get started a decade ago. When you are not giving your best, you cannot be surprised when you don't get someone else's best in return.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
I doubt that it even occurs to many of them that the men they want for commitment at their Epiphany Phase weren't "getting any" during those earlier years. Such a woman doesn't think Bily Beta was "on hold" because it never occurs to her that people wait and build while going without... they just party until they feel sufficiently grown up to settle down. That's what she and her friends did, after all. To the extent that she was "building," she was building things that don't enhance a woman's MMV, such as career and credentials... and for women, such "building" barely interferes with their ability to get laid.
Most women have absolutely no idea how much different it is to be chased versus being the one who has to chase. Even an average girl can easily experience a level of sexual variety that is generally unavailable to any but a tiny handful of men. They just figure that a man who is well-situated for marriage came to that point the same way they did: screwing like a bonobo until he decided to grow up.
The fact that the only way a man arrives at the top of the Marriage Marketplace is by not wasting his teens and 20s never enters her mind.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yup. And what these girls don’t realize is that there’s other options out there, too. When I was doing my last dating period, I had women in their mid 30’s throwing themselves at me. I ended up with a woman in her mid 20’s. Why would I want a woman who only wants to be a wife out of desperation, when I could have a woman that wants to be a wife because she actually sees me as her alpha?
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I must remember "can't turn a carousel pony into a plowhorse".
MelkorHimself Mod 1y ago
Notice how quickly she deployed the SIGN language (hair line comment). Instead of taking accountability for her lack of poor planning, she projected her failures onto men.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
Yep. A slutty spinster on the wrong side of 30 should probably avoid calling attention to the fact that physical attractiveness deteriorates with time.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
And a lot of women think that balding actually looks good. My girl constantly tries to encourage me to shave my head. I don’t want to since I don’t think it would look great, but I’m sure there will be a day when I give up the ghost and shave it off. OTOH, thinning hair is never attractive for a woman. There’s a reason why wigs are so popular amongst women, especially in the black community (where women lose their hair somewhat frequently). Meanwhile, a dude like Jeff Bezos can buy himself personal training and look better with age.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Balding makes an otherwise young-looking man look very mature. This is a plus to women who are looking to associate themselves with "success". A bald guy in a suit screams it to them, easy vetting.
As a guy who has never had even a hint of baldness even into my 40s, I look at other bald guys and wonder why they try so hard. Less to take care of, and doesn't necessarily look as bad as you think it does. Chill, and enjoy the hairless life. Let the women be the ones paranoid about unwanted hair (and then later in life, the wanted hair).
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
For every Michael Jordan or Patrick Stewart who pulls off the bald look very well, you have far more men who like Prince William, went from handsome to homely without their crowning thatch of hair.
Pic889 1y ago
Good news is that hair transplant is a relatively non-invasive procedure. Meanwhile women can spend tens of thousands on facelifts, boob lifts, and butt lifts, and they still won't look naturally young.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
True. I understand that you don’t have to care because you’re going to be a king But age definitely hasn’t treated him well in the looks department. Oh well, I doubt he’s too shook about it.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
What consciousness? You gave yourself away when you said you
And used the example of a man saying he’s “not ready for a relationship right now”, and proceeded to shame men for their hairline. Translation: the men who are telling you that don’t look as good as the men who used to tell you that. Guarantee you’d be a lot more tolerant if one of the guys you used to deal with dropped the “I don’t want a relationship right now” line. But hey, these current men only give you value if they offer relationship, so you’re clearly ready to run through those just like you used to do so.
Also, you give yourself away by using that as your example. It wasn’t a problem if a dude didn’t want a relationship when you were 21, because he was hot and you could also potentially find another man who would at any time. But now you’re 30, and you NEED that security. You need the strength and breadwinning capacity and stability of a man. Hence why you’re so quick to go from man to man and make yourself perpetually available for “love”. I used to see these women all of the time on apps like match.com. Perpetually on there, looking for a guy who is willing to move fast. Because at 30, doing the “5 year plan” with a man could easily end in him telling you to hit the road when you’re 34.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 1y ago
Exactly. And she is more mad at the men who are not wanting to commit at the point in her life when she does not have an abundance of time to have the marriage and children that many women claim to want. While the men in her 20s might not have been that serious about relationships when they said they were not ready, she also was not taking her relationships seriously because if she had, she would not be wasting a single moment with a man who did not have full intentions to commit. Most likely, the men who said they were not ready were just looking for quick and easy sex, and if they already got that from her, it was an easy way for them to exit.
Another great point. This is why I say that women should be far more serious about relationships in their 20s if they want to have a husband and children in their future. Since those are the most optimal years for her to find the best man possible, it would be in a woman's best interest to not squander her time sleeping around with a variety of men or any other action that delays or inhibits her ability to be a good wife and mother. Any woman who says she needs to "find herself" or "experience life" or whatever euphemism she wants to use for being a slut just shows she does not take relationships seriously or have any sense of priority in the goal of being a wife and mother.
We only have this brief glimpse at this woman's life, but I would take a bet to give her the benefit of the doubt that she spent her 20s wisely in any capacity. And she can claim to have maturity, but if you gave her the ability to rewind time and make different choices, do you want to bet that she would not still end up single at 30 with just a different lineup of men with the same story as the first?
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
She almost certainly would. Because her ramblings are just accountability dodging 101. She’s not taking “I’m not ready for a relationship” anymore. Well fine; why did you take it in your 20’s? It’s simple, she doesn’t prioritize actual relationships. She is prioritizing herself. In this case, when she sees her fertility window rapidly coming to a close, she just wants to rope in a guy that can keep her from a tragic ending.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
If you've ever dealt with cattle you recognize the resemblance.