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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago Stickied
Re-flaired from "WAATGM in the making" to "Epiphany Phase".
Flair guide: New Carols unlocked!
Dude, this is a great find.
LMAO.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
They must be INTIMIDATED. That's what it is, they're intimidated by educated and smart women, because men are cowardly, snivelling little mice, and we get freaked out when women can add up or finish the colouring in books that college makes you do before they give you a 'masters'.
Can we start making an 'INTIMIDATE BY WOMEN' flair? Because its just so common amongst men.
@Typo-MAGAshiv, can you start by flairing me as 'INTIMIDATED BY WOMEN', so that women know to avoid me, and then I'll be safe as a little incel in my moms basement?
Pic889 1y ago
If I may add, one of the things I don't like about modern academia is "degree inflation". Back in the old days, getting a degree meant something, now someone can have a degree or even a master's and it can be in something silly like "American Studies", "Gender Studies", "Liberal Arts", "Communications" etc (which means they basically got themselves into six-figure debt for a 4-year all-expenses-paid vacation) but it still enables them to say "I have a masters degree".
So, if a person says "I have a degree", always ask what subject it is in. If it was in STEM, law, medicine etc you can be sure that person would be bragging about it ("I have a masters degree in neurosurgery").
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
actually, what I have noticed is that most people that I meet that have a 'real' degree don't even mention it. I have a masters degree in economics from a top 5 UK uni, but I don't mention it. Because I don't need to.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yep. Because the results likely speak for themselves. I mentioned it earlier, but degrees can be used to create a hierarchy that the creator can place themselves near the top of. All hierarchies are arbitrary to a certain point, but some have more validity than others. Example: you make a lot of money, that puts you higher up the socioeconomic hierarchy than someone with a low income, and generally speaking, everyone in society acknowledges this hierarchy is important. Even a Marxist who opposes the existence of this hierarchy acknowledges its importance.
But for education, many people don’t even acknowledge that educational attainment is a valid hierarchy. And many who do acknowledge it as one, don’t place much weight in it.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Someone was trying to fuck above their weight class from 21 to 32 (and 32-34). That's why only short term "casual" fucking was all that was on offer. She clearly made the mistake of thinking she could pull the same tier of man that she could when she was college aged.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago Stickied
Not 'trying' to fuck above her weight class.....she clearly 'was' fucking above her weight class. That is basically how female hypergamy works.
Men DATE DOWN in the SMV, so ipso facto, women are able to DATE UP. The thing is, they have no idea that the men are dating down, so after 15 years 'in the market' they actually think that they are much hotter than they actually are.
What they never seem to realise is that men DATE UP in the marriage market, so ipso facto, women will have to DATE DOWN if they want to find a 'market clearing price'.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Basically what I meant - women just have this stupid assumption in effect that just because a dude stuck his dick in her that he'll stick around. So she tried that shit for over a decade and it didn't work out.
And STILL hasn't figured the core fact out.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Woman has hit the wall so hard she still has concussion, can't think straight.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
My theory is that most men have to provide an illusion of commitment and emotional connection to get laid even if it's obviously shallow such as 3 paid dates or chatting up for an hour about mutual interests. Men rarely "reject" women or dump them for the real reasons since women don't want to hear them (and will lash out if they're provided) so it's usually "the relationship didn't work out". The smart guys just intentionally fail her shit tests and get her to dump him pumping up her self-esteem even further.
It astonishes me that so many men she met online were upfront about wanting only FWB or hookups but this also likely means that the men in her filter were such chads they could get away with that. Something occurred to me that when women pull this on men, we're told that this is a "game" we should enjoy playing. "She's playing hard to get so you should just work harder to please her and hope she falls for you!" In other words, she could take the "FWB" line as a shit test to charm her way into his heart.
In other words, it sucks to be a man and after having gotten a graduate degree, now she gets to enjoy what us men have enjoyed: "challenges"
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Another problem created by women and their poor choices and being exempt from immediate consequences of such - no matter the pool size, or floor for tier of man, women will always chase the top percentiles. So as the bottom tiers of men get tired of no results no matter what they do, and drop out of the pool, women continue compete harder and harder for the attention of the top nth percentile of men.
And so those men learn they can offer less and less and still get their dicks wet nonstop.
Any woman that is getting nothing but hookup offers is the architect of her own doom. All she has to do is face the reality that just because a man will fuck her does not mean he will stick around, but they fucking refuse to.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Another aspect of the paradigm you mention is that as the bottom tier of men drop out, she will see nothing but hookup offers because the bottom tier men no longer offer commitment to get sex so she concludes that all the men she "finds" are hookup seekers.
I remember a conversation I had with women about 30 years ago when I described issues I had with women and they simply said "The women you're asking out are the problem, you just have to find different women." I was also told I should lower my standards because they assumed that I was being "Shallow Hal."
Hypergamy is a game of chicken in that it works great when the other side blinks (men marry down) but if the men don't need to marry down or "blink", she smashes into the other car or in this case, the wall.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Yeah the female ego never seems to consider the simple fact that if she is being faced with a glut of men to choose from (even if she does not want 95% of them), so too are the very men she wants happen to be facing a glut of women they can choose from.
And men benefit more in the long term from being single than women, so even if both sides are being present with a 95% no deal rate when it comes to the marriage market....
My only hope is we can put enough screws to the Welfare State to ensure that women that are either too stupid or too arrogant to properly compartmentalize MMV and SMV end up getting selected out of the gene pool over a few generations.
ObliviousDuck Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
5 whole years? Stop the press! A women couldn't get any for 5 years!
Oh... nevermind.
My bet is you have found them, they were just totally out of your league and were not interested in a committed relationship with you. Just because you can fuck 2 or 3 points above your SMV doesn't mean you can also get commitment from 2 points above your SMV.
...with you. Guy was 8 years older and you couldn't bag him? You must have very low marital skills. Scratch that, it's not skills, it's attitude. My guess is you are an insufferable, masculine bitch who thinks because she has a career, she doesn't need to please her man, but her man must do everything to please her.
Oh excuse me. All that time I thought you were complaining about how your failure at the getting-a-quality-man game was men's fault. But now your hamster changed gear and it's all right because you wanted to be alone all along and there is nothing to worry about.
Oh boy is it starting to smell like burnt plastic in here.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
"Intentionaly looking for a life partner for about 5 [years]..."
That's at age 34. So her search for a 'life partner' started at 29. Before that she was 'intentionally' looking for cock - to get dicked down by as many Chads and as possible.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
She is following the handbook to the T: a college boyfriend for status and acceptance, years of cock gobbling when it doesn't matter as much and then seeking a relationship when she no longer can effectively. We all know how this will go: she will either get married to a beta man, make him miserable, divorce him and be alone on her last years or she will skip all that because "never settle" and just be a spinster.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
You can tell by her thinly veiled wording that “education” is something she likely overvalues. I have never understood women’s obsession with degree attainment status as a marker for “success”. I’m a medical professional, who has a doctorate himself, and I can give countless examples of some men, but mostly women who are burdened with a literal mountain of debt ($250K+) from their overpriced, underwhelming indoctrination (university) degree. It always felt gross to me when women’s eyes would light up when they found out I had a Ph.D. As if that fact could tell them anything about my values, integrity or money management skills. It’s almost as if they care more about showing off material aspects like height and educational status to their girlfriends than actually having a good relationship or partner.
One thing that women will never seem to understand is that to good men, their university degree isn’t just overvalued, it’s probably a net negative. It isn’t just the likely student loan burden and probable leftist indoctrination that makes it so, it’s all the entitlement and hypergamy on steroids that come with that degree.
You can already hear the nails on the chalkboard screeching about “the partner I deserve” that comes along with that college degree. Princess over here with her masters degree has basically preselected out over 90% of the male population by obtaining a graduate degree. You know she is loathe to date someone with a lowly bachelors degree, or even worse a high school diploma. These people barely exist in her realm.
Many of you have also seen the statistics that college educated women initiate divorce proceedings 90% of the time when marriages break down, versus 70% of women without a college degree. If that isn’t directly correlated to hypergamy, I don’t know what is. And let’s say you do wife up this kind of woman. You think she is going to want to go back to work after the first baby? So now you also get to payoff that mountain of debt while still dealing with the demands and entitlement that come with that piece of paper that will never get used again.
Let these aggressive, bitchy, aging women stay single. They are generally unpleasant, insufferable and lack gratitude. As St. Kevin used to say, no man has ever fucked her degree.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Another thing men have started to realize is a lot of these women were awarded success well above their actual merit by the State, the same State that does not require good behavior of them in return. So these women end up being a toxic Dunning-Kruger afflicted social climber. At least with Old Money women, their families would attempt to enforce good behavior via nepotist favors for compliance and threat of getting disowned for bad behavior.
Aox1993 1y ago
Honestly I would much prefer a woman without a degree that's just smart enough to understand what I'm talking about but not too smart that they become overbearing. It's very much like the degree ends up becoming a chip on their shoulder and consistently conflate what they're looking for in a man for what they think a man will be looking for in them. The vast majority of men don't care about a woman's education and furthermore would be quite happy with a McDonald's worker providing they're feminine enough.
Yeah this woman has basically used up her peak SMV years chasing down the cock carousel and now the dildo of consequences has come and thrust her face first into the wall where she's now facing the realisation that she's wasted all that time. The only way this changes is if men on masse keep these women single
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Exactly! Give me the cute Starbucks barista with the sunny disposition over a “boss-babe” every single time. I would rather be looked up to than “challenged” on the daily by these career women. That’s masculine behavior and repulsive to me. If that’s a trait of “toxic” masculinity then so be it. Most women can’t seem to fathom that our preferences could (gasp) be different from their own.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
For laughs when some boss babe starts getting all mouthy and braggart like, just start asking her if she brags about her cock size to attract straight men too.
If you don't mind or care about potential backlash/burning bridges that is.
BobbingForBunions Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
The tendency to overvalue education is adjacent to the tendency to state "I know what I'm worth!"
It highlights a fear of the reality that the market determines value.
Possessing degrees doesn't make the degree holder honorable, useful, industrious, or pleasant. It doesn't even connote intelligence.
In the dating marketplace, customers who accept this reality place minimal value on degrees. Mentioning degrees as a point of pride is a useless flex.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
You nailed it. A degree is an accomplishment that’s actually concrete (as in, you can physically look at the conferred degree and see that they possess it). Similar to things like being an all state athlete back in high school. The achievement is concrete, but the value is subjective. So it’s easy to flex, and since the higher the degree, the more rare, you can easily create an arbitrary hierarchy ranked by education and place yourself at or near the top of it.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
May as well be bragging about their cock size for all the good it does in attracting straight men. A woman announcing that she has a degree is basically announcing that she is going to be expensive, and even if she does the SAHM mom role, her economic expectations will not get scaled back to account for the loss in income.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
That analogy is not right. A woman begging about her degree is like a man bragging about his ball size.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
Thirty-four years old. Thinks having a masters degree increases her MMV. Thinks very highly of herself as a wife prospect despite all the evidence to the contrary. No serious relationships but lots of sex with lots of men.
Why Will Nobody Marry Me?
Yeah... it's a real Scooby-Doo mystery.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 1y ago
While this is technically different than 2 and 3 being sex only "relationships," I have no doubt type 1 was also only really sex only with the "dating" being just the hoop those men were willing to jump through to get sex until they were no longer interested in the sex. Because based on the other details, it does not require any real commitment to get sex from her. Though some guys were willing to "commit" just long enough to get what they wanted.
I don't think she really understands how to properly search for the type of man she claims she wants (not to mention that the type she wants is probably not interested in her anymore). I would consider her 3 year relationship in college a fluke in terms of her own capabilities, as every other case does not appear to bring her any level of commitment. Also, it is easy to coast on your youthful looks at 18-21 to keep a guy interested. But if that is all she had, it would not be surprising that her future encounters were unsuccessful.
Most men who are aware of her past would not be interested in marriage or children this woman. And that Master's degree is going to be of any help either, especially if it is one with a field of study that is useless and/or comes with a lot of debt.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
I'm chuckling that I was purple pilled back in the 1990's and trying to lock down these kinds of women for marriage and they found me repulsive. The way they want it to work is: Hot guy with the right credentials games and wines and dines her into the sack, otherwise he's weak. Then after a few months, he reads her mind and proposes to her but again, he has to get the timing perfect or else, he's weak. It's all about the man escalating at the appropriate times with her simply judging and rejecting him.
For men, since the first hurdle is to get sex and he's punished for being 100% authentic, men learn this as second nature eventually. Just as a woman's body count is X whether she had 10 times sex with those X men or just once, it's similar with men. If he has sex for a few months and such but she's not wife material, then he just lets the relationship peter out as she gets demanding and he starts to intentionally fail her shit tests. The women think it's their idea and he moves on. After all, a man who knows how to get a woman into bed with say 5 dates or so will view that as a major cost savings compared to $2K/month child-support.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Yeah they basically punish men for not optimizing a pump and dump strategy, then wonder why the market is filled with men that pump and dump.
The sad part is it has become clear that even when a woman has the intelligence to realize their own culpability in that outcome, their ego still will not allow it and will continue to trot out excuses and rationalizations until it is way too late to course correct.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
It's even stranger than you suggest - they ONLY desire men that pump and dump women. The fact that a man is pumping and dumping women and has 'a bad reputation as a womaniser' is the exact thing that gets their panties wet. We used to joke about it in college. I remember one time my wing man buddy got a new leather jacket and we met up in the canteen, and he asked 'Does this jacket make me look like I treat women badly?' We all nodded and he gave us the wink and the thumbs up.
We joked about it all the time. I recall the same friend doing a hail-mary approach on some chick in the student bar at night, and he was being totally out of order, and deliberately sexist. After a while she said 'You make me sick' to which he replied...'No, what you mean is 'you make me wet'. She rolled her eyes but didn't walk off. Naturally she went back to his place for a good rogering later that night.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
You want casual non committal sex? Go after toxic girls.
Want to get a toxic girl? Be a total piece of shit.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
It works as a strategy. As always, ignore what they are saying and watch what they are doing.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I always do.
Just the other night I had an acquaintance tell me that she wishes I were single and starts telling me she loves me (in vino, veritas, right?).
If I were blue pilled, I'd have believed that nonsense. But I watch what they do and her dating history is nothing but "tortured artist" types - which is the exact opposite of what I am.
Maybe she does love me, but she doesn't get to ride the carousel with those kinds of men then try to stick the landing with me.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
there are so many men that are starved of affection that they will jump at the chance when a women says that she has fallen in love with them. They don't even bother to ask themselves if they are in love with that woman.
The thing to remember is that this same women is trying it on with all and sundry.
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
This one is buckling the female narrative. She fails to mention she looks like Margot Robbie. [Unlike the one from a few days ago]
Still needed to pat herself with "a perfectly lovely human being" though.
But what if she's not? And only thinks she is?
Gondola_the_Observer 1y ago
no, these men just don't want to commit to YOU
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
1) so she doesn’t explicitly say that she’s giving up the goods to a rotating roster of men, simply that it was on offer, but who really cares? She’s either doing it and is your garden variety modern urban woman with nothing interesting and distinguishing, or she’s a corporate nun bore that has nothing going on in life but work. Do either of those sound appealing to a man with options?
2) no man has offered her any sort of commitment, but she doesn’t see herself as a common denominator at all. Zero accountability. All of those short term guys and that man she was with for 18 months, they were just commitment-averse. If so, why did you date them to begin with? Or are they simply commitment-averse with you?
3) you don’t get what you want, but you mostly get what you deserve. In this case, she sacrificed focusing on the traits that would attract men, in favor of education and career. That’s fine, but a woman’s education and career tells me nothing about what actually matters to me, which is whether or not she has good nurturing abilities and if I’d feel proud to be seen with her in public. If, instead, she focused on what pleases a man, she maybe doesn’t have her boss babe career, but she would have a man.
4) you’re simply not allowed to call yourself a “lovely” or “good” person. On the same token, you can’t call yourself a “bad” person. These are qualities that are determined by others. I’m sure Pol Pot thought he was a great person for leading the agrarian revolution and removing “bad” people from society, for example. Now it’s okay to think you’re a good person, but words matter, and someone who conclusively believes themselves to be “good” is a yellow flag at least. This, plus her refusal to accept responsibility for her lack of relational success, plus her leading with her degree, suggests to me that she has a massive ego and is a pain to deal with.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
This poor woman is totally confused about the difference between the sexual market place and the relationship market place.
When she was young, she could pull in guys way out of her league simply by offering access to her vagina. She got used to chads. Now she wants to settle with a chad, but chads are not interested in a marriage with a 34 year old. Why would they be, when they can easily marry a 25 year old?
her true equivalent value male would look something like Danny De Vito at this state. And she won't 'settle' for that. So...cats and whine.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Hell, she'd be doing exceptionally well for herself to lock down some 5' tall balding fat bespectacled CPA at this point. That guy makes enough to afford whores and not have to buy her bullshit as part of the package.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Quite right. And the 5' tall fat CPA know full well that he is a mark for future divorce rape, so he's not about to give her 260% of his net worth for a few insincere fucks.
What he might do is pose as an interested party on OLD (I'm looking for my soul mate, want to settle down etc), sample the goods a few times, and then move on. That's what most guys on OLD are doing, if they have any sense.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago
I'm well out of the game, and OLD didn't exist when I was single, so I'm going off what I've read. My understanding is that what most guys on OLD are doing is coming up empty. The 20% of guys with very high SMV are getting laid like tile, the bottom 50% are getting literally nothing at all except bots, and the guys in the 50-80% bracket are wading through land whales and single mothers trying to find someone they can tolerate.
The short, fat, CPA doesn't even register for the lowest-of-the-low women, even though his MMV should make him a likely prospect for women looking for financial stability because of their idiotic choices regarding unsecured debt and/or birthing bastard children.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Back when Craigslist was glorious, I was really successful and my friend (who wasn't) couldn't figure out why.
I told him "the kind of man who is successful on Craigslist is the kind of man who doesn't need it."
Nothing better than rolling into a strange town for a night, dropping an ad, and getting laid with minimal effort.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
That last part ironically exacerbates the problem women are facing when using OLD. If a man goes his entire young adult life with the only female interest being blatantly transactional at best, the odds of him bothering to ever offer genuine interest instead of a one foot out the door pump and dump primed strategy start becoming nil.
Only so many times you can kick a dog before it either runs away or turns vicious.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
A kicked dog flinches from all feet.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I think you're correct Lurker. What I meant is that if the Danny De Vito guy is smart, what he will do is 'pose' as an interested party. He will have to be skilled fisherman. What he will like catch is the truly desperate post wall sluts who dramatically 'lower their standards' in a vain hope to catch a BB before the curtain comes down. He can then 'sample the goods' and then move on.
I've seen it been done a few times, amongst my less chad-ly friends. They have a sort of 'indian summer' in the shagging game, at aged 40 to 55. You could call it the average Joe's revenge. They manage to smash women that are well above them in looks, because the chicks get pretty desperate about 10 years after the wall has slapped them silly.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
You can also get a front row seat to it anytime earlier in life when there is a massive sudden economic downturn resulting in mass layoffs.
If you are one of the few that not only held onto a job, but also got promoted, "all of a sudden" female IOI's start getting tossed one's way.
Just don't make the mistake of thinking that that they want you. Keep one foot out the door and your wallet firmly closed.
AsianDude 1y ago
This 'confusion' is extremely common in 'educated' 30s women.
Recently, I bumped into a mid-30s Asian female colleague with a PhD who had slutted it up in her 20s at Boston & NYC. She proclaimed that she was liberal and far left, and was looking for a liberal man with traditional values and leader$hip who was willing to man up, marry her, and let her have kid$. The man also had to have an "international view", not be "a simp", needed to have similar viewpoints but not be too agreeable, and should be her "peer". She was also deeply in debt (US$500,000++) due to a housing loan. She told me it was very hard to find a good match or anyone willing to commit to her.
I was trying hard to suppress my smirk, while nodding to her complaints. I had never had a girlfriend older than mid-20s and had specifically set my dating filters to eliminate 'peers' like her.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I feel like I want to bang the this mid 30s chick. She's exactly the kind of woman that I meet in my work environment.
Notice that I said 'bang her'...I don't want anything to do with her other than access to her genitals.
I bet this woman (the asian one) can still get laid really easily. But that's all she can get. And that won't last for much longer either.
AsianDude 1y ago
Why would you be interested in a mid-30s woman? Aren't 20s women better?
Besides, she had her fun in college and mid-20s and ain't that sort of girl anymore. 3 years ago when we met, she was still talking about living with her 'boyfriend', who I already guessed would never commit to her. Today, she continues to 'date peers', while continuing her search for something serious.
Yeah, she hinted to me that she had no issues getting short term encounters, just that she could not find any 'peer' willing to commit.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I don't like fucking women in their 20s because, frankly, they're terrible in bed.
Women in their 20s, by virtue of being at the top of their SMV, can get away with shitty performance in the same way a man in his 40s can get away with shitty behavior with women in his age bracket.
No man (well almost no man) is going to tell a woman "hey, look... The pussy was mid. I'm gonna move on." Young women get nothing but positive feedback even when they're objectively terrible at something.
Women in their 30s though... They have experience fucking (I'm not here to marry them), and they will be willing to take criticism. You tell a woman in her 20s that she can't fuck, she'll move on to the next man and have terrible sex with him. You tell a woman in her 30s that she can't fuck and she'll do homework to improve.
AsianDude 1y ago
Not all women know that early 20s is when their SMV & LTR potential are highest, this is why many are 'surprised' when they reach their 30s - 40s. The mainstream media programming is so embedded that I have had young 20s college girls who were genuinely worried that I would substitute them for high flying career women who were pursuing me aggressively in their late 20s - 30s. Some younger girls will also feel insecure, just in different aspects. E.g. They are still in t-shirt and jeans, vs. the older women in power suits and revealing dresses, they haven't traveled as extensively, they can't pay for expensive dates with me, they can't give me expensive gifts, can't discuss complex or technical topics, they aren't sure how to please me vs. their 'confident' elders who would skillfully display their assets.
It is true that I sparingly criticize the women I date, I think they can't take it mentally. I've had young girlfriends break down in tears when I am accidentally too harsh with my words. I'm often their first serious relationship partner, so I try to encourage positive behaviors instead of criticizing mistakes.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Would upvote x5 if I could.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
In my experience, no. The worst shags I've ever had were young hot women. The best shags that I've had were women that realised that that they were actually lucky to be railed by a chad so far above them in SMV, that they were willing to do everything, with genuine enthusiasm and plenty of please and thank you. When you're shagging a woman that knows she is lucky to have you in her bed, there is none of the nonsense. None of the Last Minute Resistance, no hesitancy, none of that bullshit.
A woman in her mid 30s is starting to experience the golden ingredient....scarcity. She realises that the sun is setting. She knows that she can't pull her usual bullshit with a guy that is reasonably alpha. The seize at the opportunity to please you, and they try to make it a great expereince, because they are subconciously aware that the first time you fuck them will most likely be the last....unless they are exceptional in bed.
Give then choice, I would always choose a mid 30s women over a mid 20s women for a shag. Even older. I would honestly rather fuck a good looking and well preserved 48 year old women that was gagging for it that a mid 20s hottie girl that wasn't into it.
AsianDude 1y ago
You are certainly free to have your own preference. I don't have any experience in sleeping with women over 30 for several reasons.
1) I think that 30 - 40 is the age where women are trying their best to 'baby trap' men, so it's best not to start anything with them because these women are sticky. Sticky women are not ideal, some women over 30 (or late 20s) have chased after me across the pacific ocean to proposition me for relationships (including by entering my bedroom while I was sleeping to kiss me). When I try to turn them down nicely as I was already dating someone, I have been called 'cruel'. Note that these are just women I have texted or spoken to a couple of times, can you imagine the consequences if I were to sleep with any of them?
2) Women with more prior partners are more likely to have STDs (including ones that have not yet been discovered), I work in an adjacent field related to "rare diseases" and I know that even "benign viruses" can be associated with an increased risk of diseases such as certain cancers. I am also somewhat concerned with cleanliness. I get the mental image that I am going to the public restroom at Grand Central and rubbing my skin vigorously on the urinal.
3) In my interactions, I don't get the impression that older women are easier to please, honestly it is easier for me to impress some younger women vs. some experienced international career women "who know what they want". Younger women can experience scarcity too, I just have to be significantly "better" than their peers/friends in an aspect they value. I am treated like "The Prize". While her peers are still Netflix and chilling with gym jocks and guys who think that traveling is taking the train to the city next door, she gets to date an experienced and well-traveled millionaire who is more than willing to take the lead. I can also bring younger women to cheaper places/experiences and it will still be 'fresh' to them vs. an older woman who had probably "been there and done that" several times.
4) Sex is also about getting to know your partner better over time, I find it better to teach her about my preferences. I prefer LTRs and I will have time to build a connection.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
you write "I don't get the impression that older women are easier to please, honestly it is easier for me to impress some younger women"
Why would I want to 'please' or 'impress' women? It's the other way around dude. If they don't please and impress me, its next.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Women don't get that this is asymmetrical when it comes to the things men like. (They understand what they like very well though, weird.)
The things that men value are not the things women value and vice versa. A PhD on a woman isn't as sexually attractive as it is on a man. A bodybuilding physique isn't as sexually attractive on a woman as it is on a man.
You'd think they'd figure this out by simply observing who gets chosen to be wives.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
"You'd think they'd figure this out by simply observing who gets chosen to be wives."
As AsianDude put it, many women dream of their mate as a "leader" which, to them, means he does everything she wants him to do without her having to tell him. "He led by planning a date that I wanted and paying for it". "He approached me and asked me about what I was reading and then he led by asking me out." They rarely experience direct rejection.
Consequently, they don't think in terms of "observing" what men actually want because, see, the "leader" is supposed to do all that (observing what she wants). "Followers" wait around for the leader to take care of her, silly!
And that's kind of why Eff Dee Ess doesn't work: To even engage in basic manipulation, they'd have to actually (yuck!) WORK and EMPATHIZE (even if only for nefarious reasons) with someone other than themselves or their clique. They'd need to change themselves in a manner that isn't primarily about pleasing themselves.
AsianDude 1y ago
Some women do figure this out eventually, the problem is that it's often too late for many of them by the time they figure it out. After a "good life" in their teens and 20s, they just can't bring themselves to 'settle' for a man that would be their depreciated MMV match by then...
The main issue is the media exaggerates the "Women can have fun now and settle down anytime they feel like it" idea. And Women don't realize that the men chasing them in their teens and 20s often won't be there in their 30s - 50s, not until they experience it for themselves when they hit the wall. The mid-30's woman I mentioned had already noticed that she wasn't attractive to her 'peers' for commitment, it will take her some time to admit as to why nobody valuable wants to marry an "well traveled woman with experience, who now knows what she wants".
One good thing about being a man is that, even if we only encounter the "red pill" in our late-20s or 30s, as long as we had a career and saved $$$ in our younger years, didn't waste too much $$$ on women, and haven't committed some major crime, most of our MMV is still intact.
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