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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 11mo ago Stickied
Take away the fact that she is 50 and read this again. And then realize that she is 50 years old. She is at the grandma stage in her life and she sounds like an immature school girl pontificating about her plight in life for having "high standards". At 50. Meh is all you are going to get if you are meh yourself. She has been on a relationship for 10 years and she could not fathom that a relationship is bigger than agreeing on trivial shit that will change as people and situations change. That is why you have an "ex-partner" and not a husband. You think you settled? I think he settled for your dumbass.
We are going to distinguish this post and make her the mascot of WAATGM for the new year for being this clueless at this late a stage in life. Good find, @polishknight.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
She kicks of by saying "Lately I've been contemplating..." (she is nearly 50)
Which is ironic. Because she should have been 'contemplating' all her life. She is trying to 'contemplate' now, but she has a lifetime of not contemplating behind her. Her whole life long she has just 'done what feels right'. The perfect time to 'contemplate' about the nature of marriage and 'what makes a good relationship' was about 32 years ago.
They always tell on themselves, in every single way.
DextroShade 11mo ago
This reminds of something Saint Kevin said about when to sell:
25: Time to sell!
30: 50% off!
35: Clearance
40: Outlet
50: Goodwill/Salvation Army
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
Posting under weekend content: @Typo-MAGAshiv "She is just having an epiphany phase this late in life and is still unwilling to "settle". The idea of "deserving the best", without the proper context (if you put in the work) is indeed a nefarious one. If you can post a comment along with the post and cover it along these lines, you are welcome to post it this weekend."
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 11mo ago
Thanks for the tag, but if this was because of this request of mine at the WAATGM tribe, I had meant can you please tag or DM some of us when you post requests for feedback there at the tribe. The one I was replying to was a week old by the time I saw it, and I only saw it because of @moorekom's reply.
Sorry if that wasn't clear!
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
"We couldn't agree....on who to vote for"
There it is. Just use your skill and judgement to figure what she is saying when she says that they 'could not agree on who to vote for'.
Just in case there are any women here today, reading this, let me explain how this works. You DON'T NEED to agree on who to vote for. You just vote for whatever you want, and that's all there is to it.
The fact that she thinks that some sort of agreement is required tells me all I need to know about this woman, and I already feel sorry for her ex husband and her children.
DextroShade 11mo ago
I already know she voted for Biden while he voted for Trump and being a shit leftard she threw a fit about it and called him a bigot.
Pic889 11mo ago
This also struck me as odd. Voting is a private matter, not a couples matter, a person doesn't have to disclose his voting preference to anyone, much less "agree on who to vote for" with anyone. If a husband demanded this from his wife, he would be instantly classified as an abuser.
Her ex made a wise choice by becoming her ex (unfortunately not before they had kids together). And guess what, he still has access to her geriatric vagina (whatever floats his boat, I guess) without having to commit to her.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Very much disagree. Almost everything my wife does is a "couples matter" because it reflects on me & the family as a whole. I didn't allow my wife to wear a mask during all of the whole covid debacle either. That's another couples matter.
Although I don't vote at all, so I don't have much of a dog in that fight.
Not by anyone I would call a friend (and the rest I don't really care about)
Pic889 11mo ago
Lol what? You do realise a mask does prevent droplets (from someone else's breath) that can be potentially containing COVID virus cells from getting into a person's lungs, right? It's not comfortable but it does it's job. A moot point now that almost everyone is either vaccinated or has gotten it once, but I wore it back in those days.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Not going to debate this on here, not the place for it. But you're absolutely wrong.
Glad you did your duty, citizen. Keep on wearing that thing.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
I knew I liked you, this is just icing on top of the logic cake.
Pic889 11mo ago
"Government said it's bad to huff paint, so I am gonna huff as much paint as I can, that'll show'em".
Yes, I am one of those people who were wearing a mask until vaccination so I wouldn't get COVID-19 while unvaccinated. I got it after I got vaccinated with very minor symptoms.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 11mo ago
Voting is a private matter but values are very much a couples and, further, a family matter. As the former is generally derived from the latter, it makes sense to want to find a partner with whom one is copacetic on such matters.
All of which is a moot point, however. As @NotaBene explained above, women shouldn't be voting at all.
Pic889 11mo ago
I disagree with the whole "women shouldn't be voting at all" btw. Like, do you want women to be independent or not?
Don't buy the whole tradcon nonsense that women are supposedly children and they need a man to make all the decisions for them and provide to them. You don't have to do that job.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 11mo ago
Whether I want women to be independent is immaterial. Most of them aren't and never will be. If you haven't realized that you haven't been paying attention.
I've never said women can't make their own decisions but voting isn't "making your own decision." You shouldn't simply vote for what you want, you should consider what's best for the security and prosperity of the community in which you live and vote for that. That may mean taking one on the chin in the short term to ensure things get better for your community in the longer term, with the understanding that a rising tide floats all ships.
Women aren't helpless children but they are naturally solipsistic, which generally makes them poorly suited to that sort of detached, objective reasoning.
Pic889 11mo ago
I can generalize this statement and have it make just as much sense: Humans are naturally selfish and biased towards the way they view the world. Even if they vote for the "common good", they do that under the belief it will benefit them to a degree or in the long run. Just look at how many men want UBI because they have given up on the idea of ever being part of the taxpayer class.
This is why I am against pedestalizing any gender. The problem with modern Western society is that it puts women on the pedestal and tells them their view of the world is always a fact (for example that their demands are always reasonable as long as they think they are reasonable).
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 11mo ago
I think you're overgeneralizing and arguing the exception to boot.
The existence of a relatively small subset of men who support UBI and don't want to be productive does nothing to invalidate the fact 99.99% of the labor necessary for civilization to continue functioning is routinely done by men. That doesn't mean every man in any circumstance will necessarily be better at said maintenance than every woman in those same circumstances (that's not how generalities work), but it does effectively demonstrate men are generally better suited to the task.
Nor am I claiming men are better than women, we're simply generally better suited to particular tasks because of the differences in male and female psychology. Voting is one of those tasks, as the efficient and effective governing of an ordered society is essentially protection (and sometimes provision) on a grand scale, which is the role men evolved to fill. Women generally tend toward the more insular pursuits of nurturing and caregiving, which often makes them good at running the internal functions of a household, but running a successful society falls very much outside that scope.
Much as I enjoy putting on the affectation of being a He-Man Woman Hater, I don't actually hate or think less of women. I just don't fool myself as to the different capabilities and natural inclinations of each (generally speaking, of course - there will always be exceptions that prove the rule).
Pic889 11mo ago
Again, that's pedestalizing of a gender, "only this gender can be trusted with the important decisions". And then there is the fact that in a democracy, government should have the consent of the majority of citizens.
Also, if you think that men who want UBI are a tiny minority, you haven't been paying attention lately. Lots of leftist men who view Sanders and more recently The Squad as their saviours.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 11mo ago
I'm getting pretty tired of you putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say "only men can be trusted with [voting.]" I said men are generally better suited to exercising the franchise responsibly due to our externally-oriented psychology. That doesn't mean every man will necessarily do so, nor does it mean no woman is capable of such. Again, that's not how generalities work.
I am neither pedestalizing men nor denigrating women. I am not, in fact, making any sort of value judgment at all, and I don't appreciate you insinuating as much because my acknowledging the fundamental differences between men and women apparently offends your sensibilities.
That said, we are now well into the metaphorical reeds and this discussion has clearly passed the point of productivity, so I'm going to leave it lie and move on.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
Yeah she comes off as a control freak frigid cunt.
nicknack 11mo ago
Hmm I really wonder which political party she worships……..
Well, I don’t wonder at all, even though she didn’t specify.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Woman who brought kids into a relationship with a man and is complaining about how she had to settle. I bet she flies a big old MAGA flag. /s
Jokes aside, it’s not impossible to get some redneck gun loving thotty that meets some urban dude with money and goes for that, and she’s annoyingly right wing while he’s more casually center left. I know of a woman who is this massive evangelical Christian, but also a baby mama who got bailed out by her now school administrator husband (who is likely not nearly as evangelical as she is). So it’s not impossible.
But, if I were a betting man, I’d know what side I’d take. Especially when she says “partner”. Like she should’ve been regarded as equal in any relationship. Maybe equal in law and equal under God. But not in authority. Her decisions bear that out.
nicknack 11mo ago
Even in that scenario, conservatives are generally not nearly as oppressive on others to force them to vote the way they want them to. They can be fucking annoying and stupid but they dont generally follow the iron fist totalitarian ideology liberals do.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Women should not be voting at all, nor should they have that right.
My wife doesn't vote because I am the spokesman for the family, and good wives are fine with this.
DextroShade 11mo ago
My wife votes the way I do, this year we are voting for Trump and whatever other Republicans on the ballot. #MAGA
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
There’s definitely quite a few republicans who aren’t giving me enough to warrant a vote. If they cockblock Trump at the convention, I’m re-registering for the constitutional party or something.
No-Stress-Cat 11mo ago
Found a gold nugget here, gentlemen! THIS is how it should be.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 11mo ago
You run the risk of your choices losing.
My wife votes, and votes the way I do.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago
Same. Women shouldn’t vote, but since stupid women do, my wife can cancel the vote of one of them.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago
It would be tempting to roast this woman for the usual things, but the underlying factor is that she wants a “partner” rather than a HUSBAND. Her dilemma is that she no longer has options and it’s probably too late for her to change. She won’t be happy no matter what she does, so it’s now just a question of what will leave her least miserable.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 11mo ago
She can still try to become a GILF.
Granted i don't really think the market for that is over .0001% of men and that probably charitable
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Women can usually get a bone tossed in them.
But that isn't what she wants (anymore).
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
She's 50 and still doesn't know what she wants. Sure, she could make a list, but then in practice she will seek the opposite. For instance, many women want to be worshiped... until they are, then they think that's boring. On to the next catch. Hamster go brrr.
I'm starting to think women must always be told what they want.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
It's funny how that right around the time a woman is no longer good looking enough to rely on randos and orbiters funding her lifestyle, that she Suddenly™ feels the need to get a man locked into a contract that obligates him to fund her retirement and vacation plans.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
As always, she makes the same fundemental mistake that post wall women make, she is not asking the question that would allow her to make progress.
The vital missing question that she should be asking is:
"What are men looking for? What would a man be looking for in a woman that is almost 50? Why would he want a partner, and what would he expect of that partner? What might put that kind of man off?"
If she focused on those questions, she would maybe get to some truth. But the truth that she is going to get to, she won't like.
As I have said before, there is almost no market for a divorced woman that is nearly 50. The only kind of men that would be interested would be min15 years older. And this older gent would want a wife that was very well behaved (she clearly is not that kind of woman, going from the hints that she has given us).
A man of her own age (48 shall we say) would be interested in a fertile woman with a libido, which means a 27 year old woman with no kids.
The only kind of men that would want her, she doesn't want.
Ergo, cats and wine.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
This.
Its always how much of a victim they are, instead of looking at a long-term relationship as something that both people work towards and support. No, its how some imaginary bullshit line in the sand over trivial crap that won't matter in 100 years puts them off or gives them the 'ick', as the sluts on TikTok say.
Sure, that's how life is supposed to be, right whores? A long litany of imaginary land mines that a dude has to tiptoe around or he's fucked, and not in a good way, of course.
Just bring on the social upheaval, the change, the generational reset -- because the women out there right now are at peak delusion, and its a bloody wasteland of overbearing, masculine-acting, selfish little girls that never grew the fuck up in the first place.
Yes, I'm in a bit of a ranty mindset, can you tell? lol
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
I remember a discussion back 40 years ago with a college girl who was physically asked out regularly and she composed a long list of demands but didn't think they were "demands" since she was only just going to "select" a man like that. She also said that she wanted him to be "authentic" and not that way through effort. That's why women advise men to "just be yourself" since the kind of man she wants is that way already.
Since they see the world from an abundance mindset, whether that's valid for them anymore or not, they don't think in terms of "owing" anything to men to be successful and handsome and she also thinks that she only needs to "be herself" for a relationship.
Consequently, when the wall hits they have zero concept or even work ethic for genuine self improvement. They can work on their careers and clean up their home, because they know how to do that already, but they think that men exist as providers/doers sheerly in our identity. Note that men asking women to do something as a "real woman" is off the table: She'll cook if she WANTS to AND he has to be grateful for her doing so.
Anything she brings to the metaphorical table has to be paid for at top dollar, anything he brings to the table should be a "gift".
Another term I've heard dropped from trad-fems is "transactional relationships". Men who try to demand something from women are being "transactional" and selfish, but her demands are not.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 11mo ago
Being "authentic" (i.e. being a natural alpha) is just another demand she's making. Being a hot young college co-ed, she probably expects that she can get it, just like a rich alpha dude expects his girl to be "naturally" hot (i.e. looks good without makeup or any work).
I don't blame her for wanting a guy who's inner nature just happens to line up with everything she wants. You can desire whatever you want. After all, I used to say I'm only into women who managed to look good at the gym i.e. with a t-shirt, ponytail, and no makeup. Those, to me, were "natural" beauties.
The question is whether she's able to attract such a man. Excluding men who had to learn it vs ones for whom it all comes naturally is reducing your pool of guys from an already pretty small pool. Maybe as a hot college girl she still had a chance to date in those rarefied airs. But 5-10 years later I'd bet good money she no longer could.
That said, women are awful judges of people, despite all that bullshit about women's intuition. Just like how they can't judge penis size or height -- or the odds that a thrice-convicted felon would beat them up just like his previous girlfriends -- they can't judge who's a natural at game and who spent a long time learning it. I remember a girl I went on a few dates with after my redpill transformation. She once remarked "I bet you were popular in high school! I bet you played basketball, didn't you?" For sure she was trying to compliment me, but I think she actually believed it. And all I could do was laugh inside. She had no idea what a long, rough road it had been from being a nerdy, blue pilled high school kid to what I became. She just assumed everything she saw was "natural" and that I must have been born with it.
Everpax 11mo ago
I always thought "just be yourself" was just the throwaway default advice given by women who either don't even know what they actually want, or feel they'd look bad if they said what they really like in a man, but it meaning "I want a man who is naturally the way I like" makes a whole lot of sense. It's not even advice at all, just an insidious suggestion to make men easier to filter out.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 11mo ago Stickied
Women just are, but men have to make something of ourselves, to become attractive.
Women just do not understand this, and they want a man who "just gets it". They don't want to know about the effort behind the scenes, the growth and personal development, etc. It's why they hurl insults at places like this, because they don't understand that most men are not "naturals", and that even so-called "naturals" had some development somewhere along the line.
That Rollo blog post I linked is a classic; do read it.
CC: @Justanaverageguy, @MovinCruisin, @polishknight, @GimmeTheUsual, @Lone_Ranger
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Damn, nice one.
"Women despise a man who needs to be told to be dominant."
That describes the pre-redpill experiences I've had to a tee. Not knowing, just stumbling along, and you get chucked over the shoulder.
Good read.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
@Typo-MAGAshiv - excellent link Typo. Not only is Rollo on point here, he's also an excellent writer.
For example, this papagraph
"When this is coming from a single guy I can at least partially excuse him for lack of any practicable experience, but when it comes from a married Plug-In it’s just evidence of the totality of his conditioning. Most guys who tell you this are repeating what their girl-friends always told them was the most important key to a good relationship, but as with everything femme there’s always a latent purpose underneath the veneer of aphoristic truth they sell themselves."
Damn it, that's fine prose. Especially that last sentence "The truth they sell themselves"
Genius. Pure genius.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
Thanks. I'm reading it along with this other recommended page on "marriage game" (I had to go to archive) https://archive.ph/Y5ALF
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 11mo ago
Athol Kay was truly a pioneer for married Red Pillers. Most of his work was excellent and ahead of its time.
His downfall was letting his wife help run the business (the website and forums).
She let on a bunch of other female moderators at the forums, and they'd get offended every time there was any kind of advice from the men there other than "be better!"
It kind of became a community meme that a shortcut to see if the advice was good was if it was earlier than a certain date, and if the poster had since been banned by one of the female moderators. Everyone who was still there was so busy trying to placate the female mods' delicate feminine sensibilities, that no new advice was worth a shit.
The forums pretty much imploded, and were an object lesson in not allowing female moderators of male spaces.
Athol Kay had some serious health issues (don't remember what) a few years ago, and took down the entire website. It's a shame.
Athol Kay's first book is still very much worth a purchase. It's great foundational reading, though much has been learned since then that can mostly be seen at the MRP subreddit and/or Rian Stone's YouTube channel.
MovinCruisin 11mo ago
Both is likely correct. Women neither can nor want to give advice. Remember that women like men who "just get it". This is why they hate TRP, game, PUA etc. even if it gives them entertainnment and fulfillment, too. They want to be seduced, have sex with a hot guy and be the partner and little helper of a strong man that they look up to. But they feel cheated when they find out their man wasn't born like that and had to grind. If a woman is wanting to get knocked up she wants high quality genes. For all intents and purposes a "learned alpha" is nothing but a fraud.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
I was amused when Courtney Ryan was disgusted by men considering getting leg lengthening surgery and said to "just improve yourself overall" and even said she would consider not being with a man who got it. Imagine if Chad refused to date women who wore makeup or got nose jobs.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago
I saw a snippet from the after-show the Fresh & Fit guys do, and the topic of leg-lengthening surgery came up. I can’t imagine ever doing that, but as a 5’7” guy, I have to say that I “get it.”
I’m fortunate in that I’m still taller than most women, but the way the thots on the show were utterly dismissive of the guy’s struggles was disgusting. Right after admitting that they’d never date a short man, they ragged on a short man who did something about it. (Mind you, the girls had fake boobs, lip filters, and enough makeup to paint a battleship.)
I’m not black-pilled about height, but I will say that being at the 20th percentile for male height means that I have had to work twice as hard to get half as much as guys who have less going on except for a longer inseam. Being short as a man means your entire life is uphill into a headwind just to be considered a man. Then we hit the paradox of either accepting status as a lesser man or asserting yourself and being accused of having a Napoleon complex.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
I'm actually appalled by the way women openly discriminate against shorter guys, and I'm not even short. It's actually becoming worse with time. It's a sort of gigantic misandry shit test. And if you don't laugh it off, you're somehow 'overly sensitive'.
I went to a dinner party recently and there was 4 of us guys standing around in the hallway of this big house, and 2 of the women, and we were doing the hug and kiss thing. And then the lady of the house says, not relevant to the conversation, "Oh, lets arrange you in order of height" and we all had to laugh along with this childish nonsense.
I'm not insulted, it's not that I've got a 'fragile ego', I'm not intimidated. I'm 6"3, and was the tallest of the 4 guys in the hall. I'm not affected by women's childish height bigotry, got no dog in this fight.... and I'm STILL appalled by it....for one reason and one reason only;
It's the rank hypocrisy of it all. Imagine if a man came to party, came into a room of 4 women and said 'Ooohhh.....let's arrange you in by body weight"
A good friend of mine who is a bit of a philosopher once said, 'Hypocrisy is the root of all evil' and he is correct.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
I'm making family albums out of our historic photos of about a century including that of my paternal grandmother. She was a wonder woman who founded a charity of help new (married) mothers undergoing stress from trying to raise children in working class homes with the father away at work 12 hours a day, running a family grocery business, and raising two children while cooking the most delicious foods you can imagine from a wood burning stove.
She's not a looker. Never was.
But to me, she was the most beautiful woman on earth. She passed when I was about 5 years old.
It astonished me how heightist women became about during the 80's or so. It wasn't just that they were against short men, but men in general. Even a genuine chad I know had an ex wife who cheated on him (he found out because she was cheating on the guy she was cheating with with another guy and he left him a note making the divorce that much easier.)
When I went to the LOT Polish air counter in 1997 to go to Warzszawa, the girl had the greenest eyes I had ever seen. I came back a week later a new man. I was astonished at how different women were outside of the USA. Not just in Poland, but even in Switzerland or Sweden (at the time.) USA women seemed to me to be sort of like zombies. The majority of my wife's friends are English as a Second Language. We live in a sort of bubble.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
good spot - its a relatively recent thing. Your grandmother that you spoke about probably didn't go around shitting on men for being short - she probably selected for character at a young age. From what you say (your grandmother not being a looker) your grandfather did the exact same thing - selected for character.
This is how it used to be. Young men and women would select for character at a young age (about 20) and then spend the youthful energies of their 20s building a family. You selected for character because life is a casino - we're always making bets. And a modest, obedient young women from a good family that shows good character is the best bet for a household formation and child rearing.
Young women today are confused by the 'excess of choice'. They see that hundreds of young men that want them, so they start discriminating on stupid criteria to narrow down the choice a bit.
What they fail to realise is that there aren't actually hundreds of men that are interested in them - those young men are interested in a pump and dump, not marriage. That is the fatal mistake that modern women make - they think that the battalions of thirsty dudes on SM / OLD / the bars / clubs are interested in THEM....we are not. We are interested in a short term visit to their sticky love tunnel.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
Back in those days, a solid work ethic was regarded as a "DNA" trait for women to find attractive. There were people who suffered severe childhood trauma and got through it, not unscathed, with physical deformities. I'm reminded of the Abraham Wald Survivorship Bias observation that the planes with all the holes shot in them meant they survived because they were hit there, hence those injuries in those spots were a sign of strength, not weakness and the spots where they were NOT hit was where the protection was needed.
Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space, was short due to the childhood trauma of being starved and beaten during WWII and yet engaging in guerrilla warfare and studying engineering out of leftover German textbooks. His deformities were a property of his resilient spirit and it was recognized in his lifetime. He had to stop driving the sport car he was issued because he'd be hounded by fans everywhere he went.
In other words, charming losers that turn women on indicate false signals of strength hence why generations of women in welfare states have produced idiocracy offspring.
I read a claim by a researcher who did an IQ research project on San Quentin inmates and 50% of them couldn't understand a conditional question: "How would you have felt yesterday evening if you hadn't eaten breakfast or lunch?" and the prisoner would answer "I ate breakfast so I can't answer that."
The "shit tests" conducted by women actually screen out rational and empathic men and incentivize pathogenic behavior. It's like letting a child loose in a candy store and they'll stuff themselves on sweets.
Justanaverageguy 11mo ago
I had a woman who I liked but wasn’t interested in me tell me “just be yourself” several times”
Everpax 11mo ago
Yes, that's the end result of surrounding yourself with women who spent their young adulthood repeatedly getting told they're perfect in every way and deserve the prince charming that will inevitably walk into their lives any day now. They make both themselves and their settled-for husbands miserable.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
By "genuinely happy", she means without any problems or conflicts. She wants a "happily ever after" like in the fairy tales where a "lady/princess" has "subjects" (including the "King") whose entire existence is waiting on her hand and foot. If she doesn't get what she wants, ideally before she even asks for it, then she is angry about being ROBBED of what she was promised: A PERFECT life (that someone else provides).
"Independent" boss-babes are little better in that they literally have everything but they are NOT going to share it with ANYONE. I likened modern women to Veruca Salt:
I want the world I want the whole world I want to lock it all up in my pocket It's my bar of chocolate Give it to me Now!
I want today I want tomorrow I want to wear 'em like braids in my hair And I don't want to share 'em
I want a party with room fulls of laughter Ten thousand tons of ice cream And if I don't get the things I am after I'm going to scream!
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 11mo ago
The ideal strategy is to obtain a man of your desired SMV and RMV combo by not riding the CC and intentfully trying to build a relationship with them while you are still young and fertile and in demand.
It also helps if you are feminine and compliment the man's life (most women don't).
Sounds like she still hasn't gotten any of that memo
nicknack 11mo ago
I think in her case that memo is an elder scroll that will crumble if she tried to touch it.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
We're coming to a time when over HALF of women over 35 will be unmarried and lonely. As Trump would say "MILLIONS and MILLIONS" of them.
They have no idea what they want, even at 50, but they want it NOW. It's a veritable Karen Army. The butch haircuts, the laser eyes ready to find fault with even the most gallant acts of service, the obesity, the empty look of anti-depressant/alcohol addiction, the moronic, pampered little dogs. All coming to a town near you.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Enjoy the fucking ride.
I mentioned this earlier, but I'll say it again: the first generation of sad independent women is finally hitting the wall and it's going to have massive consequences
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
Actually, they're in that situation because while they may often be ambitchous career women, when it comes to men they play "the waiting game" because they can't handle rejection. They don't want to exhibit a sense of urgency because then they wouldn't be able to pull off hypergamy.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
It’s a bizarre time in human history. We’re used to what it looks like when men are unmarried and childless, and it’s not pretty (Judeo-Christian tradition of monogamy for both sexes is quite pragmatic in that sense, as ensuring that every decent man can have a woman is a great way to keep men engaged and productive in society).
single women won’t be committing crimes and the like. They’ll just be making us miserable by electing idiot politicians to push nonsense policy that can only possibly appeal to an emotionally stunted and bitter at the world woman.
oowiw Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Happiness is a neurochemical balance in the brain.
What she doesn't realize is that our brains are not meant to operate at peak happiness, just like they don't operate at peak excitement, peak misery, etc.
Over time, your brain will trend towards your baseline happiness, (which is mostly genetically determined, sorry). When the brain feels so many happy chemicals in it's mix, it says "OK, enough of that, reduce production back to baseline"
She perceives the goal to be at 100% happiness, while our brains biology want us in a range from 40% to 60%. She sees people at 60% happiness as a failure, meanwhile they're at the max stable happiness their baseline will allow.
People who think this way mistake the honeymoon feelings for the baseline, and mistake the return to baseline as a sign of relationship failure.
"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" was a mistaken phrasing, it should have been the pursuit of contentment.
I look forward to settling. And it sure as fuck won't be with a woman who holds me, or our relationship, responsible for her happiness.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago
I just noticed something I missed before: the kids are grown and mostly gone, but her relationship only started 13 years ago. (They broke up three years ago after having been together ten years.). She doesn’t give her exalt age, but let’s assume she’s 48 now.
Those are almost certainly her kids, because 1) men rarely get custody of kids, and 2) if they were his kids then her take on proper parenting wouldn’t matter. In fact, even the hive would tell her that. She also would have told us if she had ever been married because that would be extremely germane.
So let’s do a little math. She was a never-married woman about 35 years old, with more than one bastard child in tow. She found a man willing to take in her and her brood and even act as the father they didn’t have because she got knocked up - at least twice - by a guy who wasn’t around.
And just as her kids were on the way out the door and she didn’t need as much help (so she thought), she found a reason to blow up the relationship. We also know that she was withholding sex. The amazing thing is that a 35 year old baby momma found a guy willing to rescue her from a lifetime of bad decisions, and she thought that she was settling for him! So at 45 she pulled the plug and discovered that the demand for broken, entitled, mid-40s women with teenage bastards and mom-bods was non-existent.
Quelle surprise.. If she has any sense at all she’ll get a MAGA hat to go with her MAGA apron and split her waking hours between the gym and the kitchen.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Very well written - I Like your style.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
My spidey-sense was tingling too as I did the math. Good catch. What she calls "meh" is for many men, a "happy" marriage. We don't insist that our wife discuss politics with us (we have male friends for that) or act as a therapist. Just someone whose not a pain in the arse and can share memories with and show some affection. I'm reminded of the film "Kramer vs Kramer" where Ted Kramer is portrayed as this awful person whose liberated wife rightfully left him but he was certainly willing to change. He told his son quietly that he had actually been the one who kept the relationship going but he didn't detect the signs of her dissatisfaction and she left him (mainly because her divorced "friend" wanted to get her to walk down the same path). Kramer then went through a sainthood like process to raise his son alone and the courts sided with her nonetheless in the end.
That film was revolutionary and came out in 1979 and did spur some reforms over the next few decades including some joint parenting laws that the feminists were upset over (some "feminists" became MRA's in all but name only).
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Unfortunately, I pretty much never see 40-something year old women at the gym. Since fitness is optional for women in their prime, a lot of them never actually develop habits to keep themselves physically healthy. A lot of women who think I’d be a “settle” wouldn’t last a week on my 150g+ of protein on < 2100 calories diet that I’m currently on, while training for a half marathon.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago
My gym has a few. You’ll see men of all ages who are serious gym rats. The women tend to fall into two age categories: one group consists of women in their 20s and the other group are 50+. There aren’t that many women in between those age groups.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Yup. Young hotties and women who have not cared for 20 years and have either divorced their husband, or are worried that their husband is going to leave them for another woman.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Can we have a real conversation about settling?
Yes, but you won't like it. And you won't listen to anything that you don't like, because that is how women work.
We can have a 'real conversation about settling'. Here goes;
When a man is asking you out, dating you, fucking you, taking care of you, marrying you, having kids with you or even just talking to you.... it's important to remember...he is settling. He would much rather be dating, fucking, marrying, having kids with or even talking to a much hotter and more interesting woman. And trust me, there is always a hotter and more interesting woman out there than you.
But men are grown ups. We know what it means to settle. Settling is a way of life for men, its actually a mathematical process known as 'optimisation'. We do the best we can with the resources, information and situation that we have. Because we don't believe in fairy tales, we don't assume that we are a prince, and that our perfect princess is 'out there waiting for us'. We don't believe that we are entitled to have a long list of demands 'because of who we are as a person'.
If you have to have this explained to you at 50 years old, I think the bus has left the station.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
The reason for men "getting" this early on is that we're told that if we want our ideal girlfriend, just "ask her out" and then Let The Games Begin! We get rejected, sometimes harshly, and learn about the importance of settling immediately. Even now, men love dating apps more than women because the process of direct rejection is painful.
Women avoid direct rejection at all costs precisely because their egos are artificially inflated. In their youth, they got sufficient attention and validation and they're addicted to it. To "settle" or to handle rejection means not only risking that they'll "settle" for less than they think they deserve, but also other women will mock them.
I suggested to a family friend whose 22 years old that she should learn men's PUA game and apply it to her own life because it would help her land a man who would be considerably better than what she could get just sitting around and she refused. I even proposed that if she could land the perfect man this way, she still refused.
They're raised to think of themselves as "ladies" and "princesses".
No-Stress-Cat 11mo ago
Kids grown and gone, her gravy train has left the station, derailed off the tracks, rolled down a hill and landed on a boat that sailed off into the sunset. Now that she's too old to "chase the bag", she's bitching that she has no choice but to "settle" or die alone. Kudos to her for trying to warn her younger Sisterhood siblings not to fall into the same trap she has, but she knows it falls on deaf ears.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
She used men for 30 years. First she used men to lock in genetics while also getting things she wanted as a young woman. As she got older, she used a man as a pay pig. Sure, this can all work from a pragmatic/survivalist POV, and that’s what’s happened with her (after all, a man who is likely a political conservative, given it’s never people on the right complaining that their “partner” disagrees with who they voted for. Which is likely the kind of guy who would be most exposed to people telling him it’s a bad idea to get involved with a single mother). But that’s not how you establish long term relationships.
Here’s a simple game to play: if you feel like you’d have to lie to a future significant other in order to not scare them off, if you choose to live a certain way, then is that really a good way to live? Because I see a woman whose children were not with the man that those children were basically raised by, and she left him once the need was gone. She screams “user”. So it’s not that she can’t find someone, but she has to expect that she will also be used as an item for consumption. She could probably find a man who will date her, but he won’t say that he loves her, he won’t let her move in, and he definitely won’t marry her.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
And then when he gets tired of her inevitable bullshit, he leaves her and marries a woman young enough to be her daughter.
Her other option is doubling down on the user path and goldigging lonely old men with one foot in the grave.
But even that strategy is going to have an expiration date since every generation of men Gen X and younger has had a front row set to seeing the generations of their fathers, uncles, and grandfathers get ran thru the wringer by a horror show procession of human shaped black widow spiders. So every moderately successful man that makes it to his 40's as a free man after that is very likely to simply stay that way out of self preservation.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 11mo ago
I'll be 40 in two years. Have been not only a bachelor but single the vast majority of my adult life. There's still a part of me would very much like to settle down and build a life with a decent woman but, between studying the experiences and collected wisdom of other men who've gone before and my own observations over the past couple decades... to say she'd have her work cut out for her in proving she's actually one of the good ones is something of an understatement.
reignoferror00 11mo ago
I'd say for what she's implying she's looking for have a female friend or relative with similar values/views move in or move in with them, but living with together with her would likely ruin what little relationship they had and be a disaster.
In general, if you're looking for everything you want in one person you're going to have a bad time. Especially when you're starting that at 50 where people are much more stuck in their ways.