Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
She should advise her younger girlfriends to split up with their boyfriends, if that’s their attitude. I actually believe her when she describes a sense of remorse for what she did. Because she’s right, we aren’t just wallets attached to a thing that can be discarded once the hooks are in deep enough.
The fact is that no one should be forced to go through what her ex-husband went through. By her tone, odds are that he did everything he could and it still wasn’t enough. She just lost affection eventually because she never really loved him, he was just the guy who was there when baby rabies set in.
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
What kills me is what happened to that poor guy called her ex-husband and the kids that have to be victims and live in a broken home because this selfish bitch flips out and goes on this mythical quest for "love." Destroyed her home and kids lives to find "true love." What makes her truly evil is that she chameleon and hid what she was thinking during her courtship. Does anyone here really believe she told him the truth that he was "Mr. Good Enough," and she was just settling for him? Did she ever tell him before he was dumb enough to propose that there wasnt a "spark?" She faked it all just to get him to the alter just for her to destroy her families lives 11 years later.
Now she and many women are finding out the very hard way that the most she will ever be to a true Chad is a pump and dump. Guys that are top tier in looks and money have OPTIONS! They will not "settle" (like she claims she did) for good enough, and she isnt even "good enough." She is a single mother in her 40's that destroyed one marriage, has kids as baggage, soon going to qualify for her AARP card, and most of all, had been used as a sex toy by many, many men. She sounds like a real catch.
wswZtyqNGQ 1mo ago
The first half is impossibly self-aware. In my experience there is no way that a modern woman could consciously admit to usury and abuse like the poster does.
The second half is standard feminism shibboleth though. So I am very confused.
Is it possible for a modern woman to reach all the way up to 50% understanding of reality? She would have to be exceptionally intelligent and brave, willing to destroy her own reputation and see herself abandoned by her fellow cult members suffering a life of miserable loneliness (i.e. live like a man).
But if this were actually a real modern woman posting this.... Well the possibilities are endless! This would be like teaching dolphins the ability to converse about philosophy!
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 1mo ago
The problem with full self-understanding is what to do with that understanding afterwards. What's she going to do....... admit that on average she owes men 1000 skipped blowjobs and start to pay that back? Educate men and women about the realities of dating and suffer the ire of a million resentful women?
No, she's not going to DO anything..... so there has to be a snapping back to so-called reality.
She has the realisation..... then there is the "what am I going to do differently"...... then "no, I will do nothing differently" and then the rest of it is justification for doing absolutely nothing differently.
Mein_Tarnaccount 1mo ago
True. I.e. love, loyalty, care. Men are definitely living in dream land.
user84893093748959 1mo ago
I think it was Jordan Peterson who said that youthful love and romance are for the young. In general, these feelings fade as we get older.
This woman sounds to be in her 40's, and, in her own words, she and most of her peers have had a marriage in their 20's and then decided to get a divorce. Then these women in their 40's are all shocked that their dating experience in their 40's is less than awesome.
What happened to "just be yourself"? I know... that was always stupid advice women would tell me... because really they don't know themselves.
However, I want to point out the glaring problem with this statement. This statement is pure passiveness. The desired spark is "that spark"; it's that thing over there; it's external. He couldn't create that spark. The spark didn't exist, because he failed to do something to create that spark. Weather due to lack of knowledge or inability; he failed to create the external spark thus no tingles generated.
Something tells me that she could not articulate "what creates attraction". Again, as for romance, romance is the young. I did a lot of romantic and stupid gestures for girls in my youth and even for my wife (now ex of course). Most did not appreciate the effort then, and there's no reason now.
Also...
I wonder if she realizes that she is describing prostitution. Women love prostitution. It is so female empowerment. They just don't want to have the label or be shamed or have the competition of an open market. But engaging in a direct exchange of money or favor for sex acts - they'll choose that everyday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCpLs6o1X1k
I couldn't find a clip of the funnier line in this scene. "When he left those coupons, I just felt better about myself."
Einsamer 1mo ago
Basically, the culture/society failed to control itself. It will therefore collapse or be taken over by another one.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
My wife worked at Ann Taylor and showed me the "men's area" which was a shelf by the window where it was possible for men to sit while their wives looked at and tried on clothes. It was sort of a purgatory for married men to wait for a half hour or so until they were finished. Men don't enjoy this, obviously, but they tolerated it because that's what relationships are: Sometimes you have to be uncomfortable while the other person is happy.
But "independent" women don't have to "settle". They are entitled to things without needing to be thankful. The men, real men, should pay for them in advance and she chooses, if she's in the mood, to have sex with him. He should entertain her. It's like a those rom-coms where everything naturally happens "serendipitously" or he should learn that's what "women want" and then do it.
Men are accused of watching porn movies and expecting hot looking women to cater to our fantasies but men know those are not real. Women believe that rom-coms are real including how the people look inside of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qHeMuztXjU
As women age, they believe that they "look good for their age" (and perhaps some do) because they are the same "person" inside sort of like the film "Awakenings" particularly that their entitlement attitude hasn't changed since they were 13. Not only that, but they earn MORE now so they can make MORE demands.
What makes these questions useful from this woman is she's doing the usual woman thing: She asks questions, then provides the answers herself (to suit her) hoping for a "real man" to come along and say "You don't have to do anything, I'll take care of it".
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1mo ago
I wouldn't believe her on this. She is single and her friends are being polite. That is, if you have a happy marriage but you're out at lunch with single friends whom you know are desperate to find someone, you would be a total dick if you went on and on about how awesome your husband was. Instead, you say things like "don't worry, married life isn't all it's cracked up to be. You should be happy you're single!" And when they bitch about their bad dates, you chime in with annoying stuff your husband does. If your friends are deluded enough, they'll come away from the lunch happy that they're single because all of their married friends secretly hate their husbands. It's a lie, but at least you will all stay friends and she won't be consumed with rage and jealousy and/or try to steal your husband or attempt to wreck your marriage some other way.
I'm not saying none of her friends are currently using their husbands solely as credit cards. Just that you can't conclude one way or another just based on her saying so. Women are nothing if not unreliable narrators of their own life story.
I remember an old article years ago called "Marry him! The case for settling" written by an older woman realizing that she can no longer attract the men she used to reject in her younger days. And she described the same phenomenon of her married friends all bitching about their husbands, but ended by saying [paraphrase] "yet none of them would be willing to trade places with me or give me their husbands". I'm sure the OPs friends took their girls nights out to bitch about their lives, which, for the married ones means bitching about their husbands. But that doesn't automatically mean they're not happy being married.
user84893093748959 1mo ago
Thank you for your reply.
Although I agree that women are "unreliable narrators of the own life story.
However, I think the girlfriends OP was referring to were not married. More context of what OP said:
OP repeatedly indicates that the girlfriends are single and never refers to the men as husbands ("their guy", "beaus", "settled" being in quotes meaning they didn't settle because they're not married). I think it is an important difference. Married women and single women typically don't associate - or, more importantly, they shouldn't.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1mo ago
On second reading, I think you're right. I was probably thinking of the ones she says got married to use men as sperm donors.
The sugar baby friends may be being more honest but two points: they might say that to deflect questions about why they haven't married the guy yet. Either they're still holding out for something better to branch swing to, or they can't admit to their girlfriends that they actually do love their guy but they're not good enough to get him to commit.
Secondly, if they're not married, then 100% the guy most definitely has a clue and is fine with it. He probably is spinning multiple plates and may not even be spending much money on each of his harem girls, but they rationalize why they stay with him as that they're using him and not the other way around. The whole "you can't fire me, I quit!" defense mechanism. Right until he dumps her and then all of a sudden instead of being a clueless guy she's using as a credit card, he becomes an abusive psychopath who was grooming her.
Never trust a women's story. These are the people after all who invented the whole concept of "living my truth" as if each of us can have our own version of the truth and that there's nothing wrong with changing it to suit her changing mood.
Maybe her friends really are whoring themselves out for a guy who can buy them a Luis Vuitton bag. Or maybe they recognize they're in a suboptimal relationship of some sort (he's old, maybe not good looking, not "charming", but it's the best she can do) but don't want to admit they can't do any better and may or may not be fine with that. So they turn it around and delude themselves into thinking that actually, they're the empowered ones in their relationship, taking advantage of their guy and not the other way around. Meanwhile the guy is happy that a young girl is at his beck and call for less than the price of an escort.
And if you don't believe women will willingly delude themselves like this to their own detriment, I present to you... Stripper pole aerobics. Telling suburban women that learning how to do a pole dance is empowering because really, it's just good exercise. You go gurl!
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Probably the most self aware one you have given us yet. When she says men don't understand women I am happy to agree. The sexes in general do not understand each other any more.
Women don't understand what they want half the time and women certainly don't know what men want because its practically illegal to tell them anymore. Women lie to men about what they want and men lie to women about what they want because lying is the only socially acceptable way to go these days.
Men want want; youth good genes -genuine hotness not faked with surgery, makeup and clothes, nurturing and by nature and with skills like cooking pleasant company has taken the least amount of cock
I want the best balance of those things that my SMV will buy me. Put that on a dating profile and see how far it gets you. But its actually the truth in almost every man's case. Instead we lie to them (because they can't bear the truth any more) and in return they lie to us and themselves.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
I was thinking someone similar, but a but differently nuanced: Women lie to themselves, tell entirely differently lies to men, and ask questions without really wanting an answer (hence the word salad above). They are self-centered children much of the time indulged when they're young and pretty and then abandoned when they age without knowing what happened.
When women say they don't understand "men", what they define as "men" are men that are "hot" to them while men that are not are "boys". Their entire perceived reality is based upon a tiny subset of "men". Perhaps we should reclaim the label: "That's not our problem, we're just boys after all"
There was a joke that nobody could understand women, allegedly even by Sigmund Freud but perhaps we're in an era of RP when we really do know what makes them tick sufficiently to manipulate them when it's within our capacity. If one of these women were aging AND had money (and I was single) and I could get commitment from them, I'd be up for that.
We may be on the cusp of an age of RP where we take it from PUA and MGTOW to the next level. Feminists love to chat about "waves" of feminism, but they're blissfully unaware of our own staged awakenings.
sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
I did this. In north Germany, the place, where I was learning parachuting (skydiving), lead to the point that I am not a "Real man" ™ because I did not agree with some females in a casual conversation, that with female quotas in the government was necessary.
In any case, the answer was that if I dont agree, then I am not a real man (Kein """echter""" Mann). Good. I said I am a boy then.
She exploded , that since I am not a real man, and a boy, I should not have access to learning parachuting. That was 12years ago, so I guess things were slightly different then. I mean to say that not many people listened to that specimen. It was calmed down by saying that I am an immigrant, and dont know how to respect woman la la la.
I changed the school
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1mo ago
I was going to make a similar distinction. Everyone lies to each other. It's what keeps society together. If we told the truth to each other we'd all be fighting each other by the evening :-)
But here's the difference: men generally don't lie to themselves. They know what they want, they understand their situation, and then come up with plans. Some of those plans involve lying to women to get what they want.
In contrast, women lie to themselves first. About what they really want, what their real situation is, etc. And then, lie to men to get what they think they want without ever understanding what they actually do want or realistically can get.
Compare two stereotypes: One is the fat neckbeard at home playing video games pining for a woman. This guy gets mocked mercilessly by guys who give him hard but good advice: clean up, get a good job, move out of your parents' basement. Learn something besides video games. Every one of those pieces of advice is based on understanding what women really want, and saying if you want a woman, these are the things you'll have to do. Difficult or not, there is no other way.
Now let's take the female equivalent: a fat single mom with loads of debt, no life skills, and a mouth that would make a sailor blush. She's also looking for a man. But no one mocks her, tells her exactly what position she's in, or gives her hard but good advice: lose weight, learn how to cook and clean, be pleasant to be around, be kind and supportive and not a ball buster. So she never gets her delusions stripped away, and she still goes about looking for a man in the same way that got her into her troubles in the first place.
First with pick-up and gaming getting popular, and now with redpill, I'd actually argue men understand women better than women understand women. We actually understand what makes them tick. It's not just that women hide their instincts for an alpha fucks from us, they hide it from themselves as well. Which is why even when they land one, they spend their days trying to convert him to something else, what they think they want, and either the guy knows better and resists, or acquiesces, at which point the woman promptly loses interest.
Just look at men's vs women's fashion. Men's fashion changes very slowly. You can probably wear a conservative suit from the 60s and still be fine today. Because most men can assess whether certain clothes / cuts / styles make them look good or not, and that truth doesn't change every season. And we don't listen to a bunch of gay fashion designers who try to convince us that what we see in the mirror with our own eyes is false. Meanwhile, women don't even know what makes them look good, are susceptible to every marketing campaign out there, and change their minds every season based on what a bunch of gay designers (who by definition aren't sexually attracted to women) tell them makes them look sexy. And they believe it enough to go out and replace their wardrobe every year.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1mo ago
My wife is in her 50s (she was 20 when we got married), and she’s always had long hair. I realize that taking care of long hair is more difficult than taking care of short hair (I wear my hair very short… even shorter than when I was in uniform).
I have since learned that there are a bunch of hairstyles for women over 50, and the one thing they have in common is that they are all short. The problem is that short hair isn’t feminine, so when she asked if I would be okay with her getting her hair cut significantly shorter I told her something along the lines of, “Not unless you want to be single.”
She never brought it up again.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Man, I want to say you're hardcore but I appreciate you perspective. 25 years ago I was seeing a woman I had hoped to wife up and I told her I HATE face piercings and tattoos and we hadn't seen each other for 4 months and when I saw her again, she had a nose piercing. I lost it. Our relationship had other issues, but this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
That said, the problem, I think, with long hair on aging women is that it calls attention to their aging and most cannot pull it off because long hair implies youth and it doesn't match their face. I think if they make an effort and put their long hair up, it works though.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1mo ago
I wasn’t actually going to divorce her over a hairstyle, of course. I knew that if I told her that I didn’t want her to cut it that she wouldn’t, and that’s just how we communicate. We joke around all the time.
I don’t much care how she wears her hair, either. She can wear it up all she wants as long as she doesn’t cut it short. She frequently puts it in a ponytail.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
There’s a film “The invention of lying” that explores this concept. The primary element of Game, and why Eff Dee Ess fails, amusingly, is it requires empathy and putting one’s own emotional needs on hold to achieve an objective goal. For modern women, the whole purpose of the relationship, from start to finish, is them being demanding princesses. The only tools in their box (pardon the pun) is sex and shaming ploys. Shaming ploys largely only work on men they are unattracted to and when they are attracted to men, they can’t withhold sex because, like men, they want it. They lack empathy for men, even psychopath empathy, and this leaves them utterly helpless to manipulate all but the most blue pilled of us.
Personal anecdote/analogy: My fiancé (at the time) had a wild cat who would scratch you and dig in her claws. Vicious. So I got nail clippers and she held the cat while I trimmed her nails (the cat’s, not the finance’s!). The cat looked at me like the spawn of Satan and took a swipe at me and… NOTHING. She got this adorable confused look on her face. “Why isn’t this working?” She swatted again. And again. She then looked at me, did a HISSSSS! and stomped away in disgust.
It’s funny that she and I actually got along well after that. I respected her boundaries and even deliberately ignored her and she started coming to me which shocked my wife.
Maybe that’s why people love animals so much: They don’t lie to themselves.
Regarding fashions: Some stuff like Austin Power’s suit won’t come back and I wouldn’t recommend wearing to a job interview but a lot of vintage fashion is gold and very wearable for men and women alike. One thing that was noticed recently is that fashion has largely died, actually, since about Y2K or so. Sadly, most women really don’t care about a fashion trend anymore and our “diversity” has led to a “melting pot” that makes it meaningless. The primary fashion trend today appears to be disfiguring themselves with face piercings and tattoos.
Which gets me to thinking (pardon the musing)… it didn’t occur to me before that eventually tats and face piercings are going to go out of style and what then? A bunch of 50 year old hags with holes in their faces and tats across their tits will be competing with young women who are fresh looking. It will be glorious.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1mo ago
Body modification (tattoos, piercing, scarification, etc) is an ancient thing usually used to denote some sort of rite of passage. Now it's used as fashion by both men and women, but especially women.
And no doubt it goes out of fashion just as easily as other trends. For women you can guess how old they are by what tattoos they have. The infamous tramp stamp is now a thing only for 40-60 year olds (largely gen X'ers and older millennials) who all thought it was cool in the 90s and 00s when they were in their 20s. Writing stupid sayings or symbols on the side of your ribcage means you're late 20s to 30s at the most (millennials). It is now out of fashion with the gen-z crowd who are going all in on the boob chandelier. That trend is currently going strong but the minute the first ones with it hit their mid-late 30s it will no longer be cool and the up-and-coming rebels will be on the hunt for a new thing.
Sadly guys have started to follow the same trend. The silent generation used to get a tattoo when they joined the Navy, or as part of their army unit. It wasn't a fashion thing and ironically as a result even now it's considered cool. But that's changed. The tramp stamp counterpart is those tribal tattoos guys got around their biceps. Suburban white guys appropriating Samoan cultural rites of passage because it looked cool. Now no one under 30 would be caught dead with one. Then came the full sleeve. That seems to be waning in popularity just like the female ribcage tat. Not sure what the young guys are choosing these days...
At least you can throw out clothes but tattoos are forever :) not that that is stopping anyone from getting one anyway.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
I was at the gym yesterday and I spotted something I rarely see in the states: A pretty girl. Pretty face, nice figure, nice haircut, probably in her early 20's at most. Then she walked by and she had what you describe as "the boob chandelier". What a waste.
As you said, for men it was a rite of passage. I was chuckling at a "bad tattoo" posting of a young guy who got some special forces type tattoo because his girlfriend wanted him to get it and now the guy has to worry about getting his ass kicked if someone from the special forces sees it. He can't go into the military because wherever he goes, he'll get an ass kicking there too. The military tattoos were, I suppose, a way to show the other jarheads you were in the tribe. Actually, my father served in the 126 artillery and he never got a tattoo. He simply had a few service medals and that was that. One EARNS service medals and it's a big deal to them.
Back in Odessa, Ukraine about 15 years ago, I was on a tram and saw a guy with a mobster girlfriend: big hair, dumb looking blonde. He had on his back a green-ink statue of liberty. I wanted to compliment him on it and my wife shushed me. I wanted to say something. It had to be a prison tattoo but I would have liked to have asked him about it. Was it a formal prison code (they have a whole codebook of different tattoos) or was it a personal statement of his for freedom or even a love of the USA? I was carrying around some T-shirts and if I had a "I love NY" t-shirt I'd have loved to have given him one. It's probably best she shushed me.
Edit: If you haven't seen it, "The Emerald Forest" is one of the most based films ever made. Wonderful. Explores tribal rites-of-passage and the marriage ceremony of Tomme is fantastic. "Do it right!"
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1mo ago
There’s a lot to unpack here.
She starts with the premise that the women she’s addressing are desirable, and that they are “setting” when they choose to marry the best men they can secure commitment from. That’s nonsense, of course. The reason any individual woman accepts a marriage proposal from a man is that he is the best man she can get. That means that unless she’s a total freaking idiot who chooses to marry an unsuitable man (usually because of “sparks”), the groom is her peer in the mating market. Given that in that age group the men are ascending while the women are descending, the women are getting the better end of the deal when peers pair off after their 20s.
The reason women think they’re “setting” when they get men who are at or above their level is that society kisses the asses of women in general and young women in particular. They got lots of attention without demanding commitment, and became accustomed to getting “tingles” from men who never had any intention of giving them anything more than semen injections. When the women fall off the carousel and want to enter adulthood, they realize that the marriage marketplace (MMP) is very different than the sexual marketplace (SMP). What a lot of them don’t understand is that their marriage market value (MMV) in their 30s, 40s, and 50s is much lower than their sexual market value (SMV) was in their 20s… when “sparks” were never more than a couple of swipes away.
We all know that men and women value different things, so she misses the point when she assigns equal weight to attributes that can be found among people of both sexes. An attractive woman who has a big “career” does not thereby “deserve” a man who is both attractive and successful. A woman’s kick-butt / boss babe job isn’t particularly appealing to men. A man who has looks and success has two major things going for him in the MMP, while a woman who has those things only has one.
For a woman to be the equal of a man who has both looks and success, she doesn’t need looks and success: she needs looks and youth. That’s why she sees women pairing off with men who are eight years (or more) older than they are: because that’s where the male MMV line crosses the female MMV line. Neither is setting for the other because they bring similar value to the table.
But women who are accustomed to judging their worth by the SMV they had in their 20s have a hard time adjusting to the reality of the MMP when their 20s are over. The men who give them “sparks” are simply beyond their reach. Those men are seeking (and getting) women who are more attractive and younger than their female age peers.
As for her lament about men not having resources to teach them how to generate “sparks”… the information is widely available. It’s called TRP, and women HATE that it exists. Men who enter the manosphere and come to places like this can learn about what makes women tick, and develop the skills to generate interest (what she calls “sparks”). The women object to that for two reasons.
The first is that it allows men they consider to be beneath them to “cheat” by displaying higher value than the women think they possess. The second is that men who know how to attract women don’t feel the need to kiss their asses and now grand romantic gestures. A man who can generate “sparks” has options, and men with options can “next” any woman who proves to be troublesome or doesn’t give him what HE wants.
And what do those men want? Fit, feminine, fertile, friendly, youthful, attractive, and submissive.
Some of those are within a woman’s control and some are not. Apparently it’s “misogynistic” to reject women who refuse to work on themselves to get what they want, and it’s “unfair” to reject women for things they can’t do anything about (like their age).
Oh well… men have to live by the same rules without complaint.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
The fundamental paradigm issue with "these women ask for nothing they don't provide themselves" is that it's false. I chuckle because I actually believed that back in the 1990's when I went out with corporate nuns with a Resting Bitch Face who talked about their careers but when the dinner check came, they developed some type of paralysis as if someone threw a dead kitten on the table.
If women want to be respected for "bringing equality to the table", she could have reached out, with a SMILE, and put up half the money and INSISTED she pay her way. Not a BS test many brag about to make him DEMAND to be chivalrous and pay.
So what they mean by "I don't need a man to pay for me" means that she CAN pay, but she is demands the man do so because of entitlement. Entitlement means she won't express gratitude. Men should pay and provide for the pleasure of doing so. Men should learn to please women.
Sometimes what it takes to "learn" to get along with people is something called stoicism. That you learn how to handle flying in economy class because that's what you can afford so you bring snacks with you. You don't learn how to get into business class, but to be happy and "settle" with what you can get.
Another option is to work hard to get into business class, so to speak, but these women value out of men the provider/protector/"leader" role and so trying to ask women to learn to "work" to get a relationship where men take care of them is like asking men to get chemically castrated to have all the sex we want. I offered women friends basic game tips that would help them and they are uninterested. They want the sleeping beauty experience.
In a manner of speaking, most of these women are (sort of) falling under the "damaged goods" label (although not for flair purposes). They're "spoiled" or mentally delusional.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1mo ago
Spot on. A couple of points to add.
It's worse than what you say because even when judging the same characteristics, they want the man to be be better. The career woman who says her career success entitles her to a man with career success still expects the man to be even more successful.
When the OP says "my friends ask no more of a man than they ask of themselves." That's utter bullshit they tell themselves to deny how unrealistic they're being. If that statement were true, then if you're in a career making $100k, you should not be looking for a man making more than that. After all, that would be asking more of a man than your asking of yourself. Right?
Later she talks about "sparks" and lays the blame entirely on the man. Sorry, it takes 2 to make sparks. If you ask of a man to do stuff that will make you attracted to him, then you should do the same for him. Conversely, if he's done a sober assessment of his standing in the MMV and figured out a way to get his dick up for a shriveled up 40 year old shrew, you should do the same and figure out how to get your pussy wet for an older, balding, short fat man.
While she couches some of her rant as "sympathy" for males, it's nothing of the such. She asks men to better understand women and what makes them tick. Yet she's so dense as to not understand that the things that a woman values in a partner is not the same as what a man values in a woman. You want me to value your career that you spent so many years developing? Fine. You better be willing to give me blowjobs for all the football stats I've so painstakingly memorized since I was 5 years old. I mean, all my guy friends respect me when I'm able to rattle them off while we're scarfing down nachos and watching double headers on any given Sunday! Wait that's not how it works? Huh. Whodathunk?
This whole post reeks of the faux sympathy of "we have to teach men the difficult task of how to be better at serving us." Maybe she's not advocating using whips and chains, but her attitude is no better than one of a slave owner trying to figure out how to coax more profit from her slaves.
True sympathy would be to say "Why do I not find all these seemingly good, nice men not attractive? What can I do to change my reaction from 'I'm settling' to 'despite all his faults, I genuinely value my partner'? We women need to do a better job understanding what men want, so that we can be better partners to them, and they in turn will want to be with us." There's not a single sentence of this entitled rant that has even a hint of this sort of true sympathy.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
I sometimes feel like I found the magical drinking hole of entitled, aging women that I post here. "Why can't men learn how to please us?" "I'm independent but yet, I NEED men to take care of me like a father does a little girl!" "I want respect as an equal, but he needs to pay for me!"
All this shit works when they're young because they're super hot and have amazingly high SMV even if they pierce their faces like circus freaks and then at age 30, they like child-actors wondering what happened. It's a story we see time and time again, and they don't learn.
I'm reminded of the character Joffrey Baratheon from Game of Thrones whose actor struggled to find work afterwards because he was so HATED and LOATHED for his character's behavior. It's not fair. He seems like a nice guy. Anyhoo, my point being that when men are spoiled and raised badly like this, it usually doesn't end well for them. Reality hits hard.
I had a former ex-girlfriend who rode her looks until she finally was sleeping with losers (yeah, I wonder about myself on that :-) until she was about 55 or so. She tried to connect to me via facebook (no thanks.)
So life is actually quite gentle with them. Most of them ride a CC that is a Hugh Hefner dream to us until their 40's. "Guys only paid for dinners and didn't give me full entertainment. I'm suffering worse than concentration camp prisoners!"
But it's perspective. Most of us men are used to a tough life since we were kids and if we reach adulthood, it's all downhill (in a good way) from there. I'm off to my HS reunion in 2 weeks. It's fascinating to see how some handle it. We start out as these kids and from there, who knows?
wswZtyqNGQ 1mo ago
You win the Internet for the day, my good sir!
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
The flaw in her logic is that she thinks men don't have any other options. We do. My 47yr old wife just wet my dick before heading off to work. I ate her pussy right before that. We're planning to fuck when she gets home. Like, seriously, we're getting laid left and right out here and these women are in la la land. These women aren't settling... they're taking the bottom of the barrel because they're desperate.
How delusional does one have to be to think that the biggest loser you can get is the winner? What standards? He must be a door-mat? He must be feminine? He has to enter her frame? Are those even standards? Or maybe just female supremacy guidelines?
sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Unless she can provide what the man wants in exchange, yes. But I will give them that - they have the freedom to not compromise their standards.
No
This maddens me.
Women outside the kitchen sees the entire world as a kitchen. Here she is asking how long to put the food in the oven until she takes it out. She is looking for a recipe and wants men to fall in her recipe. This conflicts with human empathy.
But whom am I kidding. They are like that. On the other hand, it is her desire and does not affect me. Vorwaerts!
This however is a fascinating look inside her. She is not looking for someone she is/would be attracted to. She has hit the wall. She is looking for someone that would give her social validation = good enough to present.
She is looking for a pet to show off and get social credits.
A figurehead to give her a mask, and lose his personal space, compromise his personal desires, without getting anything valuable in return.
Of course she'll say thing like her experience, knowledge, changed priorities, etc should be sufficient for a man to give up his desires.
This is highly toxic.
We do. And we are tirelessly telling men to be aware of it.
Toxicity increases.
Why ask then? Why get the same thing via such extra length?
If I have a cow, then why would I go and ask for another cow in exchange of my cow, unless there was something wrong with my cow?
How does this make sense to women?
Also, is she sure, that the women are like that?
Can she Pay for the first date as she expect her suitor to do?
Since there is only one first date, can she go 50/50 ?
But never a Robert Bruce trying to raise an army while hiding in a cave. Never a Diocletian, Never a Vespasian, never a Maximinus Thrax.
Why do women always look for toads in search of prince? Why do they never accompany a Diocletian thru his trials and tribulations?
There is a russian saying:
Хочешь быть женой генерала - выходи замуж, за лейтенанта!
If you want to live as a general's wife, marry a lieutenant.
But oh the Humanity, they'd either go for the absolute criminal, or when they are old, they will demand at list a Colonel to pump gas up her you-know-what, because she already f..ked a criminal and now deserves it better.
And then she'll settle for him.
Let's check mine.
Pretty, Rapunzel Hairs, Not washed up, no Children, Loves me from a reptile desire (not a sanitized "mature" arrangement), a vessel for my memories, I can guarantee, that she would be with me, while I was building myself up, can raise a garden and chickens and feed me the same, while I research the cure for cancer.
Is that realistic? Who cares.
My doll can fulfill all of these, Besides for the garden and chicken thing. In fact I plan to acquire a Molly Kitchen set (robotic system that I could potentially control through my doll).
I am 35. DO I need to compromise any of this for a washed up aging woman, even if she is not asking any more of me that she asks herself?
no!!
No-Stress-Cat 1mo ago
You have been banned from r/femaledatingstrategy
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1mo ago
Yeah, you want Brad Pitt and no one who isn't Brad Pitt is good enough for you. We know. -We fucking know.- You don't need to keep reminding us every two goddamned weeks.