Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
polishknight
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
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5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2mo ago Stickied
I do not see a single word from a single woman in this wall of complaints on what any of them did to attract the attention they think they deserve. As Patrice O'Neal put it, a woman chooses her mate amongst the choices that are available to her. As a man, remember to treat their "requirements" as a wish list. It isa list of what they want, not what they need. We know what they need.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago Stickied
I have some advice for these ladies;
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
Women get hotter as they age!
Unless you don't want a relationship with him, then only have sex with him, no dates for him.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2mo ago
Exist.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
I saved the above for future use and added to you list
• Never settle • You deserve the best, nothing but the best, you're entitled to the best • Older women are just so hot right now. 40 is the new 20. • Men really like women that are 'more experienced' i.e. high body count. • You just need to put yourself out there; men will run to you. • Lots of women have children late in life • Your prince will come, so you don’t have to do a thing • Your special person is just around the corner, keep waiting, do nothing • It's ok to have your preferences (no short men, no broke men, no conservative men, no men with hair loss, no men without abs, etc) • Only consider men that are the same age as you, because men that prefer women any younger than 38 are basically sex offenders • Go to yoga classes, or Pilates or knitting or feminist book stores - that is where you'll find the best guys. • If you don't feel 'the spark' then something must be wrong with him • If he's not charming and charismatic, then he is probably an Incel (avoid!) • Don't sleep with men until the 15th date. You're not in your 20s!!! time to take things seriously. • Always insist that he bring you somewhere fancy, and never split the cheque. Then he will realise that you are high value • NEVER go on coffee dates • NEVER do walks in the park • NEVER do nice things for him that is his job for you. • He should accept your kids as his own • Men under 6 feet in height is an “ick” • Tats and a criminal record add character • Height is the best indicator of a quality man.
DextroShade 2mo ago
In the coming decades we will need a euthanasia program for all these spinsters because the welfare state cannot afford to care for this many.
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
except for love, family, and children that I so desperately want. :(
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2mo ago
Here's the thing: Back in the 1980's, a woman friend in our college group said, quote: "It's popular now for girls to say they don't want to get married. It's such a burden".
They act like it's not a priority for them. That's MEN should provide EVERYTHING because she's the princess. That she should do nothing but sit in the castle sleeping.
When I went overseas, it was a pleasure to chat with women who knew what they wanted, wanted to do what it took to get it, and were cognizant of their expectations.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 2mo ago
How horrible it must be to have thousands of choice, but all of them are horrible.
Boo fuggin' hoo.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
There is no happy ending here.
Best outcome, she gets a selection of cats.
Worse solution she grabs a lower value guy than she really wanted (a guy she can actually get) and has a short career of being a disappointed wife before becoming destroying him in divorce and becoming a bitter single mother.
Don't settle lady. Men are worth more than that.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2mo ago
Back about 30 years ago, the BP scenario was just that: Women "settled" for a BP provider type, got her claws on his finances, then divorced him and made him pay child-support while she partied with hot bad boys in her late 30's for the next decade or so.
What we refer to here as dual-mating-strategy is the opposite of that: Party with the bad boys until her 30's and THEN ask for.a BP male bailout. I rented a room in Hollywood Hills with a pop psychologist who wrote a woman dating book advising monkey-branching thinking she had invented the concept. Unsurprisingly, she wound up single and is in her mid 60's now.
Generally, dual-mating the old fashioned way generally worked better but it required something such modern women lack: discipline and delayed gratification. She'd have to WAIT a decade or so to have her "fun".
My cousin actually had this happen to his: His wife divorced him after about 12 years of marriage thinking she'd have fun, the pickin's on the apps and bars weren't all that better than him, and she wound up marrying a guy who was his clone about 8 years later. He married a hotter, younger version of his ex-wife. It worked out well for him because they both had careers so it was no alimony or even significant child-support.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
Its good to hear of a happy ending once in a while. I think cohabiting with a woman who works and makes roughly the same as you is the secret to these happy endings. Never be the provider or the law can have you. Guys who can do this without being too beta to start are doing well. Usually successful women want someone more successful or someone as successful who really tries hard.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
another classic from @Polishknight!
some highlights
"You have so much time in your 20s to make mistakes"
"The bio clock exists for both genders"
"There is so much out of our control"
And of course, my favourite.... "I will probably freeze my eggs this year"
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
She: I always felt so pressured to have a high powered career/make a lot of money as a woman when reality I wish i'd dated better in my 20's and focused on finding a good life partner to have a family with as that's what I really wanted.
Me: Notice: no mention of the men she was dating or rejecting during in her 20's. Life is real easy for a woman in her 20's. No complaints then. Now, mid-30's, the balance of power has shifted. Men call the shots, now. And she is aging out and losing out to younger women.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
"The bio clock exists for both genders"
I love this line of cope from women. They don't get that time is relative, and men have the equivalent to a few orbits around a dense black hole while women are aging rapidly back on Earth. I see it as balance, a women's power fades as a man's grows. If it were inverted, civilization wouldn't be possible.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
yes, I'm seeing women in their late 30s and 40s talking about how men have declining fertility in their 40s and 50s. I see it more and more often now. It's getting repeated and passed around. They seem to think that men in their 50s are going to have a hard time making a baby - or will more often have babies with birth defects.
The truth is that once you control for the mothers age there is no difference. Men basically don't start losing fertility until they hit their 70s.
But science is a tool of the patriarchy.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
Billy Joel has two girls in elementary school. Those ladies should let that one sink in.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago
I didn't need to collect and compile the other comments (her initial post would suffice for the flair), but they tell a complete tale of this woman's personal life and blind spots. These women could save thousands of dollars on therapy fees and depression pharmaceuticals if they were to simply read our analyses.
One gem is: "It’s very hard to have these things as a single person living in the U.S. where there is very little social and financial support outside of the nuclear family structure." In other words, she wants a man to pay the bills but she hates this idea of The Patriarchy that men deserve something, even basic respect, for doing so.
ANOTHER gem is when she says "Luckily my parents have never pressured me". Perhaps if they HAD, she would have acted with a sense of urgency in her early 20's and her life could have turned out differently. My daughter isn't going to be so "lucky". I hold her to account.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
You need to show this to your daughter.
Her: I always felt so pressured to have a high powered career/make a lot of money as a woman when reality I wish i'd dated better in my 20's and focused on finding a good life partner to have a family with as that's what I really wanted.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2mo ago
Late night drinking box costco pinot and cuddling with my persian cat: There's a reason spinsters love them so much: they really are great.
Since my daughter was born, she's my true love. My wife was exhausted from the birth and I don't blame her. She said "you handle her" when my daughter was crying incessantly due to colic and not knowing what else to do, I held her and walked around our condo in a circle and she calmed down and passed out. What do I do? I couldn't put her in the crib and wake her up so I set up a pillow safety barrier and put her down with me. She passed out asleep. I am my daughter's advocate. My wife knows I will do whatever it takes for them including to give them (tactful) but honest feedback.
I think back to feminists who bashed us and marvel that I love my wife and daughter with all my heart. What more can I give? I also want them to care about me though. I have human needs too. Sometimes I need to be cared for. We have a cat and they understand the cat demands, and rightfully so, respect.
I work out and stay in shape to be there for my daughter. I hope I can do what it takes for her to be a decent wife and mother someday.
ElliotPagesLeftTit 3mo ago
“Despite my best effort”
I think she means “least effort”.
chunky 2mo ago
"I've tried nothing, and I'm all out of ideas"
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
I'm pretty sure she means 'zero effort'
or negative effort.
Silly_birb_returns 3mo ago
It's funny when they say "i always wanted to be married, settle down and have children", yet they are almost 40yo and their past is casual sex, working as a bartender and 2-3 abortions.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago
In editing, I didn't include that she says she was in a relationship between the age of 21 to 29 and blames him for it not working out but here's the thing: She didn't get married to him or having kids. She also implies she had some childhood issues to settle. I can appreciate that in that I went through the same thing and I didn't feel I was good "marriage material" until I was 30. My parents, on the other hand, were a mess and got married when they were 23 and so I had to sort of clean up that generational mess in myself.
That said, though, even though I have more time on my biological clock (that she wants to wish away due to The Patriarchy), at the age of 30 she could have done what I did and hustled to set reasonable expectations and to find a mate that involves more than waiting around for someone to approach her or filtering out hot people on the apps.
"Wanting" something and doing the work for it are two different things.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3mo ago
"I want to be rich" - every lazy person, ever.
PoopBeast 3mo ago
"I didn't include that she says she was in a relationship between the age of 21 to 29"
Ah, there it is. A lot of red-pillers assume that if a woman ends up in her 30s and single that her problem was "not making it work" with previous suitors, but a nuance that I think is commonly missing from modern red-pill theory is that there legitimately ARE a lot of cases where a woman stays in a relationship for too long with a man who is unsuitable for marriage.
I've worked with a lot of men in their 20s. A LOT of them are no where near ready for marriage. Quite a few of them even seem disinterested in sex. I don't really blame them - entire generations don't become like that in a vacuum - but if I'm being honest, if I had a daughter I wouldn't really want her to try to marry, or even date most of them in the state they're currently in.
Sticking with the wrong man all throughout their youth is a huge mistake for women, and it's one that we need to point out. Women need to gain some discernment. They need to date with a purpose. If marriage was an aspiration, and her man was being wishy-washy on his intentions after a year, then she SHOULD have left him, not stayed with him for 8 plus years. The best option for young, 20-something, marriage-minded women is probably to pick a guy who's a bit older to meet her at her readiness level.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago
My wife and I have a good friend who married a guy she met at the club to get a green card (yeah, sounds like a movie, doesn't it?). She drove him to work in the morning because he was hungover. The marriage didn't work out but he fathered two lovely daughters for her. I had the idea that the guy was a bit of a redneck and perhaps should get into falconry and she said that was a terrible idea because she thought he should just buy a falcon and go to work.
On the other hand, my landlord back when I lived on the beach in California had a plump daughter who liked a guy and the parents helped him go to trade school and become a plumber and it worked out well for them. I think back in the 1950's that was MORE common than not.
This idea today of women picking up a ready-man man, like something out of the box at the store, with an apartment and all is a product of an idealized post-WWII baby-boomer era of prosperity but even then, it probably wasn't the norm rather than an ideal like the 1980's and 1990's rom-coms. It's panty drying to women to date men who are living at home or renting a room, studying and progressing in their career, and not "ready to marry" in the sense of instant SFH suburban home and 3 kids to squeeze out but a young couple should build the empire together. Of course, the man has to have some ambition and not be a total slacker and there are stories back then of such women picking poorly, but then again, didn't men risk it when their wife turned out to cheat on them and take him for alimony and CS?
The feminist/trad-fem ideal is a woman "doesn't need to settle", shouldn't "take risks", should get a man whose all ready for her, and hypergamy across the board. I think this often worked during a peak demographic era of affluence of affirmative action feminism in 1970 to 1990 where Gen X women could date the slightly older, and more affluent, baby boomer men who were born in greater numbers.
So now, reverse it: population decline of local born Americans, lower standard of living, and RP men who are birthed by fire or BP men who are weak and unwanted. Heck, I'm going back to the well. I can find another one like her, with a different tale, to post for next week.
Silly_birb_returns 3mo ago
Sadly the state of the economy penalizes men, since having 50% of your salary taken in taxes and the rest eaten by inflation makes even a middle class worker unable to save money or make big purchases like a house.
Thus the women ride the cock carousel, knowing that men will be financially stable only in their 40s (if they are lucky and grind like hell).
The exception are the guys who have a rich father that passes his business to his son, which becomes wealthy from the age of 25-30yo. For those guys women fight to get them to marry when they are in their 20s.
I watched a dumb video of a PUA wannabe asking women in a relationship what they look for in a man, and this hoe after saying the classic "ambitious, caring, smart" adds that she is in a relationship with a rich guy since she was 17yo...
It was always about money, the post wall cry that 30-40yo men walked away with their money instead of "settling down" like feminism told them.
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
This is what is different. Men are no longer willing to marriage, especially later in life once they've built themselves up, and especially not to divorced women or single moms. This was the norm in the 70's and 80's. No more!
PoopBeast 3mo ago
Hmm...I take it your story is intended to push back against my assertion because you think it's a little off-base. But that's precisely why I made my comment; to push back against what I feel is a notion that's commonly off-base in the manosphere; the assumption that in all cases a woman should stick it out with a man who she feels is a dud.
Since you like telling stories, here's one for you; when I started working where I'm working now, there was a cute girl I met in what we call "the cubicle farm" the first week. I was excited to meet her because she seemed really friendly and even like she might be into me. Then a couple days later my supervisor mentioned her and told me she was in a weird domestic situation with "that guy [name redacted], you know, who's dumb as a fucking rock"... These were his words, not mine, so I knew I wasn't the only one who thought that about this guy.
I knew who he was talking about. This guy was indeed a very slow-witted individual with no obvious qualities. They had had a child together quite young (they were still quite young), and never got married, but lived with the guy's parents in who knows what kind of strange partnership. My supervisor wasn't even really sure if they were a proper couple. They definitely weren't married.
I remember thinking "good lord. Another option off the menu, and all because of THAT retarded situation..." Now in that case, they had a kid together, so maybe it was the right choice, but in the broader context, I feel like there are a lot of women attaching their anchors to the wrong men.
I think there's a middle ground here. I've seen both cases.
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
These are separate issues. Women should stick it out with the man she's anchored to; once she's birthed a child, she's anchored to that man for life - married or not.
I do agree that frequently women in their early life spend years fucking one or multiple men, and, children or not, this is bad for them.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago
“the assumption that in all cases a woman should stick it out with a man who she feels is a dud.”
I was going to say that I don’t think you’ve understood what many here have said, but I think I can see where the confusion lies. Ready?
It’s where “she feels is a dud” is the problem. Namely: FEELS. Women rationalize things via their feelings or sometimes simply don’t even think at all. A woman FEELS like a man is a dud because he only earns $70K/year. Get it?
Words mean things.
I hope I clarified my position above which is that sticking with someone who has clear potential is different than someone who picked a “dud” because it was convenient or desirable for her at the time which is what this woman, from what I read, did. She wanted someplace to “crash” after she left home, didn’t make an effort to improve herself for relationships, and blew a decade of time before she knew it. I’d say it was less of her being loyal versus laziness.
I can’t speak for other people, of course, or generalize about The Manosphere although there likely are men who do think the way you describe, but I don’t see many of them in the forums I frequent.
I’ve said that I think that there’s this window of opportunity for young men in that many young women simply will “rut” with the first guy who shows up and does the basic things: he approaches, pays for a few meals, and has sex with her. This is where so many of these single mothers otherwise appear including the example you gave. I liken it to restaurant chefs who hit the fish market at 6AM to get the best fish ad the best cost.
I realized at age 28 what my particular situation was in the women who’d talk to me, say, out of college, were often the leftovers already. Jaded women who had dated and formed demands and outrageous expectations.
Teenage girls are generally easier because they’re naive but this raises the question for young men, if I had a son to advise, should he try to lock one in? Probably yes. It’s a risk because you don’t know if a man or woman will be a dud at times at that age, but they aren’t yet spoiled. By the time a man could do what I did, develop himself by his mid or late 20’s, the opportunity is lost. It’s a risk.
I’m raising an 8 year old at this time and I strive to educate her rather than the “because I said so!” stuff because I want her to develop into a human being who doesn’t need me to tell her to brush her teeth each night. I don’t want her to feel a need to rebel against me: I care 100% for her best interests. Period. Rebel against THAT! So I educate her on social skills and manners and she’s doing splendidly so far. I know it’s never over for me as a parent.
PoopBeast 2mo ago
I like that strategy with your daughter. Kudos for coming up with that philosophy!
For some reason I've thought a lot about this subject we're discussing, and I realized that I seem to be looking at it from the individual perspective (IE: an individual person shouldn't have to stick with someone who is not suited for their life goals), while you seem to be focused more on the societal context (IE: this issue is exacerbated by an entire society of women deeming men unsuitable for reasons of entitlement, depriving them of the experiences necessary to become suitable in the first place).
Now, because individuals make up society, and society is a collection of individuals...both are important perspectives to consider.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2mo ago
Brace yourself, because a disheartening amount of people do.
Most don't, though, so hopefully she won't either.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2mo ago
It's a daily obligation for me.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3mo ago
I'm afraid I have some very bad news.
I can see why no man has committed.
Pic889 3mo ago
I take issue with this comment. If the man of her dreams descends from the sky tomorrow, pulls every stop to impress her entitled perimenopausal ass, and marries her in a year (preferably 6 months), she still has a chance. All she has to do is keep her standards high and never settle for a lesser man that is not good enough for a kween like her.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3mo ago
So you're saying there's a chance?!
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2mo ago
A chance as slim as the women she is competing against.
Pic889 3mo ago
Anyone want to guess she was making fun of men of her generation complaining about a lack of intimacy in their 20s and even calling them meanie names like "incels"? The idea that a man's commitment (not necessarily marriage, even plain long-term commitment) passes through a long and stable relationship never crossed her mind, she expected the man of her dreams to appear the moment she turns 35, solve all her problems, and marry her in a year. That magic man failed to descend from the sky and now she feels cheated by life.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
I imagine she has run out of beta orbiters to complain to, everyone that knows her is sick of listening to her complain, and here she is on reddit. I think a woman who ends up on reddit has really hit rock bottom. All her friends are busy with their husbands and kids. She no longer fits in at the clubs. She has no life, no hobbies, no friends, nothing.
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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
Why is it, that everyone takes "making mistakes" as a right, instead of as a last resort or an unfortunate incident?
PoopBeast 3mo ago
Want to know how her aspirations for children will probably end? Here's some further reading...
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/women-fertility-falls-lose-90-percent-eggs-30/story?id=9693015