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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
Imagine what would be going through her head if she knew there are a bunch of happily married guys in her age range with kids sitting here reading her posts and laughing. Like, the guys she wants. The guys who figured it out at age 30 and found a ride-or-die chick. The guys that never think of her and she's invisible to. The guys that are never on dating apps but she sees at the gym/kickboxing/store/etc.
I'm too short for her at only 6ft but if I were on a dating app I would set my max age at 28. Back in the day I tried age 28+ and it was all broken women with baggage or kids. This is the real reason men don't date older women. It's just a really bad game of odds. Younger women aren't as likely to be broken, divorced, single moms, etc.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
"why older men look for younger women - I think I am beginning to understand"
No darling, you are further from the truth than you have ever been. You'll never understand, because you don't want to understand.
Women seem to age backwards in terms of wisdom - the older they get, the dumber they get. I've met teenage girls that seem to understand gender dynamics better than these 50+ old hags.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
A woman saying she is somehow desirable because 'she can do 15 pull ups' is like a man saying he is desirable because he can put on a tutu, walk around in high heels and suck a mean cock.
Women: we are not impressed by your ability to 'manly' things any more that you would be impressed by our ability to do 'feminine' things.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 3mo ago
All most of us want is don't be fat, don't be a bitch, and don't be a slut
Note to women: we can almost never find that and when we do you're not good looking in the face or want giga Chad if you are good looking.
You have created your own dating hell by being undesirable for long term viability
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago
The funny part is that even if "most of us" stopped watching porn and were willing to date 50 year olds, that wouldn't help her. She's 5'10.5" tall (when barefoot, and she MUST wear heels) so she NEEDS someone at least 6'2". She needs those particular men to change what they find attractive.
But yet, she says she can't "force" herself to "be attracted" to a man which is technically irrelevant. Us men are incapable of having straight sex without an erection so we need to get turned on somehow, and most of us can do that with average women even if only in a casual sex situation. She doesn't have this limitation. Her inabilities are entirely voluntary.
There's stories in flyer blogs about how sometimes someone tries to sneak into business class and say "I NEED to fly business! I can't fly in economy!"
Jules 3mo ago
Oh wow, thanks for that nice compilation. I got WAATGM bingo a couple of times, so where are my V cards?
I'm not a fan of sequels - they usually suck - but I am looking forward to that (and restocking the strategic popcorn supplies)
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
They are so close…. So, so close to the truth.
No man wants to go on an archeological dig for a woman. Those women are invisible, and clearly offer nothing of value to the men they desire.
Oh well, I’ll just watch my investment in CHEWY continue to outperform the market.
No-Stress-Cat 3mo ago
Thanks for the tip. Going long on CHEWY.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
It used to be considered rude to ask a man his salary and judge him by his height before you met him, too.
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
It used to be shameful to be a slut or sex worker, but times have changed and so has the market.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3mo ago
Gold.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
Another set of posts from a quite self aware woman. She knows she can't hold the men with options that she desires.
I wouldn't say men are in a hell though. They just don't want to invest in post wall. Why would they? This has the disadvantage that not every man gets his dinner cooked or his washing done but there are far deeper circles of hell than that madam. Being stuck with a menopausal heap of entitlement raging at the death of her power while expecting you to carry her would be far far worse that adding detergent and pressing the start button.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 3mo ago
I’m what she would consider “age appropriate” for her if I were single (I’m not). My meals get cooked because I cook most of them (my wife and I rarely eat together, but when we do and there’s cooking involved, she does it). My laundry gets done because I do it (I prefer to do my own laundry). I works well for us.
But I have to laugh at her assertion that men her age can’t keep up with women her age. I’m a daily gym-goer, and the clientele is overwhelmingly male. Among the older set (my age and older for purposes of the discussion), it’s utterly lopsided. Finding a woman in that age cohort who isn’t a physical basket case is like spotting a leprechaun. Most of the women are fat… and that’s among the tiny subset of women who pay for a gym membership they actually use! The physical quality of the options outside of the gym is abysmal, and the moral quality of the options is even worse.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago
Notes on Flair: I technically think this could be classified as a "leftover" since she is complaining about dating as an older woman, but... it's apparent she has other issues going on. Not only that, but this is merely Part 1 of her saga. I was going to originally post her story as a compilation of all her woes, but to keep it readable, posting in two parts: 1) Aging heightist. 2) Strong, Independent woman who wants a Chivalrous Knight.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3mo ago
I think you made the right call on flair. A lot of these Carols will seem to fit multiple flairs. This one also had elements of "entitlement princess".
Holy shit. Did you stumble across a goldmine?!
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago
I realized that there were two sets of narratives causing her personal woes so if I put them all together in one post, it would have been even longer than The Gilgamesh saga I posted a few months ago. So to spare the reader's attention span and patience, I broke it out into the two themes above. This flair fit for weekend content and Monday's fits for strong, independent woman so it's a good match.
When I initially click on a thread to see the story of a Carol, sometimes it goes down into an unproductive hole. One of them said she was willing to go 50/50 with on dates and was a normal "leftover" but otherwise didn't seem all that bad so I abandoned it but... then others are like you say, a goldmine of pathologies: entitlement queen, heightist, strong-and-independent, and oftentimes psychotropics.
Have you heard this song? The Rolling Stones penned it in 1966. Life for women has ALWAYS been hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-zxBNz3XbM
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
It’s a song about Valium and/or amphetamines. My ex has been on prescription amphetamines “for her thyroid” since we separated.
Keep telling yourself that woman.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3mo ago
thank you!
Edit - I had never heard that song. I'm not the biggest Rolling Stones fan (greatest rock band ever? more like most overrated rock band ever), but that was good. Some things never change.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 3mo ago
WHY ARE YOU GAY?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3mo ago
wtf are you on about, old man?! Is your Alzheimer's acting up again?!
have some vcards!
sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
So you realize, that men in the Top have options. Do you think they are the ones who are going for porn and are the quintessential incels?
Be honest, you know they aren't.
Now, why would the men who are not in the top, who don't give you women tinglez waste their time and energy interacting with you women? How does this non-sequitur even f...king work? I am unable to articulate a sentence here.
Who decides what is appropriate? Where were you when the said guy was young himself.... Oh wait...
Age, in itself does not qualify you for anything. Age, in itself, does not un-304 a 304.
Just because you "take care" of yourselves does not mean you are the best.
Remember, you women went on in your youth to find the best, because you knew your value and you knew what you deserved. You did not want to settle for less. Now Men are doing the same..
So
You neither bring comfort,. nor bring peace. You are comparing and competing.
You are too busy to steer them elsewhere like a slavedriver does.
Sorry, its not the men's fault that you are completely undateble...
Do guys wonder that at all?
Are you sure the guys you want wonder that?
Newsflash: No one wonders about the trash, if the trash took itself out. Guys usually wonder about this when they are younger and building themselves up, and you went on living your best life.
LOL ---- maybe - just maybe - you "age appropriate people" aren't the correct ones? Or you offer aren't sufficient. Remember, he's living his best life. Just because you can't wrap your brain around it, does not mean he needs you in his best life.
One day, women will understand, that just because they are projecting their age, does not mean that older men can't live their best live..
ROFL No. We just had the other meme with the woman up in the top. I guess, meet those men up there lady. If you can't then good. Men don't owe you an easy standard. Dating should be difficult for people like you. I am glad that the standards aren't fitting your expectations. No man needs to reason with dried prunes. Dried prunes like you should never have access to quality men.
I don't think its ego tho, again, I think men are just realizing that they don't need to settle for less. Also, isn't the phrase "age appropriate" women's way of approving a different showpiece?
Instead of a hot, young, and sexy show piece, he is supposed to be with an "age appropriate" woman. But that "age appropriate" specimen is nothing but a virtue signal. He isn't really gonna be attracted to you, but he needs to pretend otherwise so that your sisterhood can validate him?
What is such a woman but a showpiece?
No, men deserve power over their own lives. You have nothing to see there.
Nope. Your reference point doesn't interest us. Any reference point you bring in can be found outside an intimate relationship.
ENCUMBRANCE is not attractive
Surprised, sure. Pleasantly no. Also, didn't you yourself say, that you can't force yourself to be attracted to men you are not attracted to? If you aren't ready to be pleasantly surprised by men that you see as unattractive, why would a man need to extend you such courtesy?
Just like you admit that you cant find good men on paper attractive, may be you are also unattractive, even tho you are great on paper?
Lol. Why not? It's the current year. You had your fun. Let him have his.
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All in all, you have the following problems, as seen by me. Another man can have different expectations
You lack value. You are ready to run a man to ground, but you can't add any value. There is nothing that you included here that would qualify you for an intimate relationship. I recall reading women stating that dating should be selfish, as it is giving the other person access to your body. In fact, it is also giving the other person access to your psyche. So men have the right to be selfish. You may say, that you bring professional or intellectual values. None of which is a qualification for an intimate relationship, nor can they un304 a 304, nor do they make you sexually attractive. Remember, you yourself admit that sexual attraction is an important concern.
You lack Incumbency. See, you come with a million "qualifications", but all these "qualifications" are certified by third party. So your value is really falling short. I know you see men as interchangable widgets (i learned the term from Andrew Wilson), and because you have warmed Alpha Chad's bed in your youth and prime should now mean that Beta Brad needs to pay or you, or late-bloomer Brandon needs to pick up your dried prune, but that does not work. The defining parameter of an intimate relationship is that it it incumbent upon a personal intimate level. If you miss either of the two qualifiers, you will not qualify.
Encumbrance. Already spoken above.
wswZtyqNGQ 3mo ago
No, there's no epiphany coming. These people would rather leave the universe than try to understand it.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3mo ago
I think Andrew Wilson had been reading WAATGM. We've said similar here for years.
sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
oooh that'd be interesting ... Not a big fan of him, but he is a good debater. And even if were to be the biggest blue piller, I am also a liberal. And a liberal must learn from his opponent by definition.
No-Stress-Cat 3mo ago
Keep crying, leather flaps. You all wanted to be men. Welcome to the man's world.
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
Yup sweaty, you nailed. I am a selfish age appropriate man that is stewing in his own hell. In fact, I am so selfish that I will not even share my personal hell with you. I mean, what would you do with the peace, contentment and solitude that I put up with?
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
"The ones that might make good partners I can't become sexually attracted to"
She said it. She fucking said it.
Everything else is just mouth noise. This woman actually said the truth by mistake.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
The sad truth is that only a genuine good woman can get sexually attracted to a man with a high level of good qualities, while too many women crave bad boy qualities so much that Hybristophilia is way more common than is healthy for society.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago
A she complains about men being ageists, I especially laughed when she said that women age better than men. Perhaps in terms of general, overall health, but in terms of sexual attractiveness, what makes men attractive is largely consistent: Height, income, and particularly fertility.
I (naively) fell for a 50 year old woman 20 years my senior who was still hot at the time. We broke up and when I referred a friend to her for legal services a few years later, he told me she had aged a decade in 2 years. Men have a wall as well but although Clint Eastwood looks like a homeless man the guy is 94 years old. If he was a building, he'd be a national landmark.
By her own selfish admission, there's little motivation for someone, particularly men, to "partner" up someone whose sexual attractiveness is waning at dog-year's rates unless... they have something else to offer. That shall be covered in part 2 I'll post tomorrow.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
Fertility.
That is what is absent in the entire debate.
Relationships are built on sexual attraction. Sexual attraction is built on the desire to reproduce. Reproduction is dependent on fertility.
Women just refuse to believe this. They have a massive weakness in their argument because they don't ever mention fertility. Whenever I hear a woman complain that men are perverts because they all want 'younger women' I correct them by saying 'No, its not younger women they want, its fertile women they want'.
This usually creates an awkward silence. The truth is always a bit tricky for fantasists.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
As a rule, men's fertility isn't an issue even as he becomes elderly, all he needs is to be attractive enough to bed fertile women.
Women on the other hand, the correlation between her fertility and her attractiveness is pretty damn high, this is why her Sexual Market Value drops about the same rate as her fertility over time, even worse her Marriage Market Value tanks even worse, which is why women in her 40s can still find guys willing to pump and dump them, but have dismal odds of marrying a man who is worth a damn in her eyes.
PoopBeast 3mo ago
Ugh... Kudos to anyone who reaches the end of that (I couldn't).
I just want to see her try to answer one question: "Why should a man do what you're asking?"
Why commit to a woman that age? She can't bear children. She's not going to be attractive at that age unless she's a major anomaly (I think we all know the odds of that being true for her based on her posts). Why should a man do it?
No matter what BS answer she'd come up with, in her heart-of-hearts, she'd know it's a good point.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 3mo ago
She’s also freakishly tall. As I’ve frequently noted; I’m married and not in the market, but I’m the best point of reference I have, and I have some idea of where I would stand if I were single and looking.
She’s taller than I am, but that wouldn’t be a dealbreaker for me: I had a girlfriend the same height as her. We wouldn’t meet because she would be outside my age range, but let’s say that I bought into her “age appropriate” narrative and didn’t exclude her. We still wouldn’t meet because she would have screened me out at the “swiping on profiles” stage because of my height.
Never mind that I have all the sixes except for not being six feet tall. Never mind that she could not hope to keep up with me physically. Never mind that I’ve done all sorts of “masculine” things that she’s only seen in movies. Never mind that I have never cheated in any exclusive relationship. Never mind the top-of-my-class at grad school academic record… or the fact that I’ve been in a dozen-and-a-half countries (and have lived in four of them).
Nope… I’m not “height appropriate.”
Of course the one thing she absolutely WILL NOT COMPROMISE ON is a man’s height, and that’s the ONE THING that nearly every woman wants. If a single guy of my age had all all the attributes I currently have as well as being 6’2”… that guy could have a new woman every night.
Why on Earth would he choose her for an exclusive relationship?
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago Stickied
@PoopBeast The reason why the posts are detailed is so their conflicting narratives can be exposed. General guide to how I structure the post: The top is their general declaration, then for about 2 or 3 comments you see the conflicting narrative, then there's a close at the bottom (how it works out for them.). If you enjoy, you can go back and digest the middle if you desire but if you must TL;dr, skip to the end.
What all her comments show is she complains in general about how "men", ALL men, are unrealistic youth chasers and have unreasonable standards and it's ALL OUR fault that her lovelife is a wreck. She's quite reasonable: She HAS to have a tall man because she's tall and she can't date shorter. If "men", particularly (by her own admission), the 1% of tall, professional men were more reasonable and dated old women such as herself, then the dating market would be fixed.
What got left on the cutting-room-floor was her statement that she wants (and offers) companionship and sex but her problem is that the men she wants can get better quality sex elsewhere and any man with choices at age 50 and above are single because the previous women in his life's "companionship" was a pain in the arse otherwise why wouldn't he be with that woman?
I remember going out to a single's ballroom dance 35 years ago populated mainly by 40 and 50 somethings and it was like a used car lot where people dropped off their clunkers and tried to trade in for... someone else's clunker. What's the point?
I have a dear, tall Swiss woman friend from the 1950's era who was tall and met a nice Croatian sailor and was super sweet to him. He was flabbergasted at how nice she was but he tragically died of cancer about 7 years later. It was tough on her. Women from that era and region were significantly different. Same hardware, but a better OS.
Part 2 tomorrow shall answer your question more thoroughly.
PoopBeast 3mo ago
Oh yeah, I wasn't blaming you for posting all that.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3mo ago
I have to laugh at all these moronic women who are so fixated on height, that they end up missing out on tons of men who meet every other of their 462 bullet points.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 3mo ago
They treat height as if they’re just expressing a preference for a certain eye color, rather than that they’re looking for the same trait as all the other women in the market.
It’s always instructive to run the numbers, and comparisons can be useful to illustrate a point. Imagine a world where eye color, rather than height, mattered to women, with the less common colors being preferred over the more common colors. I’ll use the percentages in the US.
At her height, screening for “taller than me” would be akin to screening for blue eyes. It would be foolish for a woman to screen men for blue eyes because eye color doesn’t matter, and although blue eyes aren’t especially rare, there are plenty of great guys with brown eyes. (Brown is the most common eye color in the US.)
But for heightist women - especially the more extreme ones who set the floor above six feet - it’s like they’re screening for green eyes in a world where every woman wants a man with green eyes.
Further complicating things is that the tall guy she’s sad about not getting is also very wealthy (which is a second attribute that is both rare and highly-sought-after). Now she’s not screening for green eyes: she’s screening for gray eyes in a world where women throw their panties and hotel room keys at gray-eyed men as they walk down the street.
Having a preference for the men who possess the same set of rare attributes that every woman prefers has consequences. I watched a clip from a Kevin Samuels show wherein he told a woman that since she wasn’t a top-tier woman herself, the only way she would get a relationship with a top-tier man would be if she’s willing to share him. That’s OOP’s problem: she doesn’t qualify for exclusive rights to a man who is both tall and wealthy, and she doesn’t want to have to share one.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
I love LOVE the way she calls it a 'trend' ...
The 'trend' that men prefer women that have functioning sexual organs.
yep. That trend. That must have started around, oh, lets say, 2017?
Above anything else, we can see that she is clinically retarded. If she can't realise that men have sought out fertility as the number 1 criteria since we lived in the caves then she is retarded.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCMENT FOR ANY LADIES ON THIS FORUM:
If you are 'trying to find your person / soul mate / the one' you may want to calculate your DARA (dating adjusted real age).
The formular is ((years since birth) * (2)) - (15)
So, if you are 18 your DARA is 23. The perfect time to find a husband. If you wait until 23, your DARA is going to be 31. Also a good time to find a husband, many men are ready to settle down at this point and will be able to fund a replication project. But...if you wait until 40, your DARA is going to be 65. That is going to be an issue for you. Not for the reason you think it is.
"You will think 'Oh, at 40, I'm not going to be attracted to the men in my DARA, because 65 year old men aren't my thing"
That is going to be the least of your problems.
Your main problem is that men of 65 have a lot of experience. Men might be slow learners, but we learn eventually. We will have seen 45 years of feminine bs by the age of 65. We wise up.
The posts we see here are all women of 40+ griping about the type of men that are available to them at age 40.
You want to know the truth? those men that you think are available to you at age 40+ are not actually available to you. They are just posing as available to you to get into your vagina. And you're so dumb you keep falling for it!
Those men, the men that you don't want, they don't want you either! By 40, you have aged out of the dating process entirely.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago
Hell even by 30 a lot of women are facing a massive roadblock in that regard, because most 45 year old men have either observed or directly experienced enough crap to refuse to put up with any of it, and that 30+ year old women are the most prone to bring nothing but that to the table so that's where their age filter cutoff starts.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
correct.
The thing that women really really seem to misunderstand is 'male interest'.
I see it all the time.
Women of 40 telling each other that there are lots of men interested in them. They seem to have zero idea that there are two kinds of 'male interest'.
They seem to have zero ability to separate the two concepts. I often see women over 40 that I would like to smash. I want absolutley nothing to do with them in terms of resource sharing. Nothing. Why would I?
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago
Yup.
Connected to that is the fact that for the overwhelming majority of men, a relationship is an expensive investment of time, resources, and effort.
And running directly alongside to that is the women that utterly fail to grasp that fundamental difference in lived experience between themselves and men.
Which leads them to failing to grasp that a man is going to evaluate a woman's potential ROI and decide from that if she is smash only or potential LTR.
Because they don't have to do that. They just spread their legs for the hawtest guy that will stick his dick in them, and if it doesn't work out, society cushions them from the full consequences for most of their lives. Right up until society can't use them as a resource siphon against men anymore.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
You write " for the overwhelming majority of men, a relationship is an expensive investment of time, resources, and effort".
That is because most men have been doing it wrong all this time. if you find that a relationship is 'expensive', you're living the SimpLife.
Just say no to that kind of interaction. No trips, gifts, meals out etc. Just say no.
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
Who determined the law of the universe that a person can only have a relationship with someone of the same age? Of course there is no such rule.
Also, they "date 20 years younger" if they can; it's a market remember? In a market, everyone chooses the best option they can.
First, if you live long enough, everyone gives up searching, but most men have given up long before most women; that's why they complain about the market conditions favoring those fewer men still in the market.
Thank you for acknowledging that it is a market and that it is the men that are in short supply, thus it is a man's market - using the same phrasing as the real estate market being either a buyer's or seller's market.
These things don't matter in this market. She's already forgotten that it is a market; she's already quoted the "Tinder study", that says:
I actually think these stats are worst if adjusted to consider just the older pool of actors as is the subject of this post.
This is where we are all at.
I believe this "show piece on their arm" is generally not true, but you can't convince them otherwise.
Why is "wish" in quotes? Well... actually, no one would be on that site. It would instantly be the "I've given up on life" site. "Just let me add myself to the pool of old and more older undesirable people." Slogan: "Match with me before I'm dry and fridged, or worst... dead and cold!!!" (perhaps too much?)
The men have already left the dating market; thus, men are not worried about matches. Chad is still getting action. Who is telling them these untruths?
I like how she says that "then people start to divorce" like it is a normal phase in the progression of life - it is so routine and normal.
No, Chad has always been having fun. The not "dateable" people - as you put it - are not having any fun. Clearly, you're not able to perceive beyond yourself or what you've already said.
No, no you're not.
No, porn is not the problem.
How complicated or what type of special education/training does "interacting with women" require? Right here she says that dealing with a woman requires some type of special skill, but we certainly can't expect mothers to provide this insight. "Come here son. Let me educate you on interacting with women. Now, she may say one thing but mean another... if she's combative, she might just be shit testing you. When she doesn't want to have sex, that's when you know she really likes you. If she didn't like you, then she will have sex immediately . . . . "
Marriage rates are falling because it is well known that marriage offers little benefit to men while posing a great risk. In addition there is no longer any shame nor consequences for marital misconduct.
But... women don't want to; women don't want to; and women always have.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3mo ago Stickied
Good shit. Upgrading you to "Junior Hamster Analyst" for this and other comments of yours.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
If a woman wants to be married to a worthy man her age in her 40s and beyond, her best bet is to prioritise locking down a quality man with potential in her early 20s instead of raising her body count with hot cads and players.
The trophy wife, only guys with high paying jobs and a need to impress people with his "ability" to lock down a hot girl will choose a girl whose main qualities are beauty and knowing how to act in public.
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
Everyone - women included - need to know how to act in public.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago
True but more often than not, those are her only good qualities.