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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago Stickied
One of the biggest tells that someone is brainwashed by feminism is the use of the word "partner" instead of "husband" or "wife".
Well, yeah, it's kind of difficult to "commit to traditional family life" when every woman wants to ride the Cock Carousel until she's too old to have kids and has a notch count so high that she can't bond with her husband anymore, having burned out her oxytocin receptors years earlier on other men.
But of course it's men's fault. If my eyes rolled any harder upon reading that, they'd probably be stuck staring into my skull.
If they're 18-29 or so, they're single by their own choice. Anyone else remember this WAATGM gem? Even women who label themselves "forever alone" have a mind-boggling amount of options. They just don't like those options.
If they're 30+, then they're single because they waited too long and spent the last decade+ making bad decisions.
...bad decisions such as that. If you want to be a wife and a mother, and the man you're with is unwilling to commit, why stick with him for one nanosecond longer? That's just stupid.
But of course, it's men's fault.
Marrying someone who isn't ready to be a dad is fucking stupid.
But of course it's men's fault.
But of course it's men's fault.
The 19th Amendment to the Constitution is probably the biggest mistake this country ever made.
"I can't find someone, so instead of loosening my criteria I'm going to make them even stricter!" Holy fuck, the retardation.
But of course it's men's fault.
For any lurking women: polls conducted on men and women in their 20s about the most important issue determining their votes in this year's election showed that men's most important issue was fixing the economy so that they can afford to support a family, but women's most important issue was keeping it legal to murder their unborn infants.
So keep telling me that women want to be mothers.
And of course it's men's fault.
Pic889 1mo ago
It makes for a good retort though: "men don't want a partner, they want a loving and loyal wife (which is impossible to find today, and that's why men don't marry)."
Much like the only appropriate answer to "Where are all the good men?" is "Married to good women".
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Also, being the millennial man I am, I don't have an issue with feminism in general, but I have an issue with that particular branch of feminism that views relationship with the lens of leftist ideology. That's where the term "partner" comes from: it's the idea that women can negotiate the partnership known as "marriage" much like a dockworker negotiates a collective bargaining agreement with his employer. There is one problem with this theory: a port needs dockworkers, but a man doesn't have to marry a woman, much less a western woman.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Literally all I wanted in this world, as a baseline, was a nice, fruitful career that would allow me to support a family. Wild that this is so vilified in the anti-Natalist west
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
"Earlier this year, ex-Geordie Shore star Vicky Pattison revealed she underwent egg freezing last year, because asking now-husband Ercan Ramadan 'to be a dad when he really wasn’t ready' would be 'pretty unfair and irresponsible'."
"Marrying someone who isn't ready to be a dad is fucking stupid. But of course it's men's fault."
I was curious if anyone would catch onto her ridiculous statement: "'But he [Ramadan] is six years younger than me, and men mature later than women. 'He’s in his twenties [29]"
Granted, many people were not ready in their early 20's (21/22 or so) including myself who put an effort into becoming a better father and husband particularly in a society that gave me almost no support.
But sheesh, 29?
My parents met when they were 23, married at 25 (because he was in the army for 2 years), had a child a year after he was out of the army at 26. By the standards of 1960, they were late bloomers. Census stats show it was normal for 1/2 of people to get married by 21 meaning half of them got married in their teens.
I chuckle additionally because the above was said by a celebrity who is better equipped than most of the population to be a single mother and pay for nannies and support. The number 1 obligation my father had back in 1960 was to be the primary breadwinner and the family leader. Hmmm, perhaps that's the problem:
This woman didn't respect him in a leadership role in that he's younger than her and she's a boss babe. No wonder he was averse to rushing into fatherhood.
Wintergreen 1mo ago
This exactly. I had an ex-FWB gripe about how I don’t seem like the type who wanted to get married and have kids. I told her about how I was ready to settle down when I was literally a virgin but then I concluded that women were all fucking a bunch of dudes so I had to join in on the hedonistic lifestyle. The point was that I am romantic at heart, but the women who bitch about not being able to find commitment are the ones who dropped the ball and made it to where I have trouble committing.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
Similar origin here, but I fucked up and got married.
To a divorcee older than me, no less.
19 years so far, but a good chunk of it really sucked.
Wintergreen 1mo ago
Damn man, well at least you turned it around. I sympathize with you; mine was a girl 5 years older than me who couldn’t keep an engagement together and I saw no red flags hahaha
-DadWhatGoesWithABlackDress-Cuffs 1mo ago
I wonder does it also apply on a job market with Karens in position to hire
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Newsflash: Women won't have kids - Men to blame for it. Yeah so apparently men won't put their penis into a vagina and cum. They just refuse to have sex with women. It's so weird. It's a Scooby Doo mystery.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
I was working remote for 4 years as the office was refurbished during COVID and we recently returned to office and one of my office "spouses", a nice girl in her early 20's told me she had gotten married.
She appeared to have a good head on her shoulders (I don't chat much with the crazy/ambivalent ones) so I marveled that the smart women, the ones who like men and appear to have a healthy attitude, generally marry in their early 20's before they hit 25.
She had told me 4 years ago that she looked forward to her bachelorette pad because she didn't want to live with her parents and wanted to enjoy the independent life but spent time at Christian events and so on. I think she got it out of her system (not the CC) but rather just enjoying some time alone in her bought condo, and realized that marriage wasn't such a bad thing after all.
What distinguished her from the inspin corporate nuns I knew for the past 40 years is she genuinely enjoyed conversing with men, seemed happy overall, didn't fret about "getting what she can" and so on. Just a nice person.
Nice girls wind up getting married, I think, because they're nice.
It felt good to see that not all women are maladjusted in this culture. I didn't want to tell it to her like that, so I just congratulated her when I heard about it.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
It's so easy for a woman to get a man and keep him. Just be nice. That's it. I guess that's too difficult for 50% of women. Oh well. blame men for it. lol
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
This particularly woman knew this guy from high school. Back when my parents met in 1958, it was common that men "knew how to treat a woman" because it was so much easier. They knew the women in their communities from church, school, and friends and awkward ask outs were the norm. Going with a group for bowling or to a diner for french fries was typical.
After 25 or so, without the apps at least. many women don't get hit on as much as before. I call them the corporate nuns because they go to work where they see the same (coupled) people every day, go to the grocery store, see their coupled friends, and visit her parents and that's that. She doesn't want to make an effort to meet someone because that's "the man's job" even as she will probably expect a man to share in housework chores and respect her as an "equal".
If you're a normie and you approach someone like this, like I saw once at a wedding, these same women's heads explode and they suddenly think, like on the dating apps, she's the belle of the ball and deserves chad and then rejects all the suitors as unworthy. THEN they go home and complain "No men like me" or "I'm avoidant" but don't want to do anything about it.
Where I'm going with this is that it's not 100% easy anymore in that they do need to make SOME effort but they're utterly handicapped due to entitlement. It's easy for US, if we were in their shoes, but they have a different mentality.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
I just watched a video of some radical feminist lefty Boomer Harriet Fraad. She specializes in the intersection of economics and psychology, focusing on how economic systems affect personal life, relationships, and mental health. Just listen to her woman-splain what goes on in the heads of modern women: https://youtu.be/naVnsgeVHYg?t=1052
It's interesting to see these people diagnose the problem correctly but are completely oblivious to the solutions because their world view is completely wrong. It's exactly as Rollo said. Like with all the evo-psych researchers. Maybe they're too afraid to just say what it means so they dance around making up stupid shit. It's pretty sad.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Hahaha! I didn't see that coming. Yeah, she started out sort-of ok but I think her premise was off. She assumed it was driven by evil corporations looking for lower wages (and she's got a point) except the feminists were the dupes. The women bought it hook, line, and sinker because THEY thought they'd double-dip and earn the same as a man AND marry a man who earned as much as her AND he'd do the dishes too.
I think she's engaging in projection when she says the men "forced" the women to work and then the men were making women do the same amount of housechores and (gasp!) give him sex (I chuckled at that) as if he's a slavedriver. EVERYONE knows it was women who are the ones who have higher standards for housework and it's not men who gripe about a perfectly clean home or insisting all the meals be made by scratch. So no, she doesn't diagnose the problem correctly. She's totally off.
I laughed at the contradictions in her narrative but on this Friday, I didn't want to spend an hour to go through it all. Conan the Barbarian sets an example for toxic masculinity by shooting people in his movies? Did she ever SEE the Conan poster? Women are victims economically and earn less than men but yet, women don't put up with toxic masculinity crap because women outearn men. They're boss babes but also victims.
She's a rad-feminist but also sounds like trad-feminists as well who have that attitude: "I want to earn my OWN money but he should pay the bills AND he should do 1/2 of the housework too! Oh, and treat me like a lady but he can't demand anything! That's fair!"
I just got into a debate on twitter with a Ukrainian woman who was disgusted with the election and quoted about how women who voted for Trump were participating in oppression. I remarked that it's difficult to take someone seriously whose oppressed when she expects men to pay for dinner.
So she responded: "Well, asker pays". I responded that if the man is paying one way or the other, she's still not oppressed. She then said that she only went out for drinks and the man is "privileged" to be "seen with her" and for "her time". I responded "So you're saying a man's time is worthless then? Do you see how that alienates men to vote for Trump?" She then called Trump supporters incels who want to get laid and I remarked that men who want to get laid buy "ladies" drinks. And... that was that. She simply closed off the exchange.
Essentially, when they have White Knights or the advantage of being pretty and men saying what they want to hear, they're tough but when confronted by someone whose immune to their charms, they run away. Everytime.
Here's what this rad-fem wants: A Big Government, run by The Patriarchy (but a good one) who gives women EVERYTHING they want on a silver platter and the men serfs work 20 hour days to pay the bills AND do the housework AND praise her as a hero for going to work and spending HER money at the shopping mall.
And for a while in the 70's and 80's, they got that due to demographics. It all started to collapse in the 90's.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Yeah it all falls apart once you apply logic. She says men got emasculated and removed as breadwinners because we have to compete with women in the workforce while corporations benefit from lowered wages. That's pretty much the correct diagnosis of the problem. Then instead of addressing that she blames men for the problem that women created. It's what I call woman-splaining. The icing on the cake is when she complains about having sex with men. You just can't make this shit up.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
I wrote up a paper on the pathology of modern women as (mostly) sex workers: They crave empowerment by selling sex BUT find the notion of men demanding sex to be exploitative. This goes for both feminists and modern "traditionalists":
"If you want a chance at sex with me, you have to pay. Tee hee!" "Ok, but if you don't give me sex I'll leave." "How DARE you engage in economic coercion to get a woman to give you something!!!!"
Back in the 1980's when my brother came of age, his wife made about what he did but HER money was for "independence" and keeping up with the bourgeoisie lifestyle. He didn't "force" her to work. Not only that, but she expected him to do half of the housework and childcare which he did and yet called himself a "traditionalist". I told her, and she laughed, that I wouldn't put up with such nonsense.
The feminists of the era griped that career women with high salaries couldn't "find" men (we know what that means) and needed the state or corporations to fund their childcare and a nanny because similarly situated men got "free" labor in the form of a housewife (but these women didn't want to pay for a househusband.).
Instead, the corporations said: "How about we not only DON'T give you money to pay for a house-slave but lower your salary overall or increase your work hours?"
Looking back to 1989, I marvel at how good I had it relative to today: Such women had minimal hypergamy going on and few shit tests. If you had a decent job, comparable education, and paid for the first few dates, you were in. About this time, the shit tests were beginning and "friend zoning" was becoming common as rabid spinsters began to emerge whom no man could please.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
It probably depended on where you lived. I seem to remember things coming in waves starting from the West coast and eventually making their way to the central states. When I was growing up in CO we had all these Californians move nearby. Entire companies would relocate their headquarters to our tech center. And so they would bring their culture with them. Lots of strip clubs, night clubs, and bars started cropping up. TGIFridays, Stone Cold ice cream, all the usual CA chains.
The whole state flipped blue and the city center currently looks like SF with homeless, drugs, poop, needles, etc. Then I started hearing reports of it happening to other places like Nevada, Texas, Florida, etc. Nowadays we're hearing about it from guys in India, Indonesia, Philippines, etc. It's globalized. Only the most extreme societies like Iran or Afghanistan have managed to avoid it.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
I want to go to (S) Korea and show some respect to the based men there: The feminists are griping about "misogynistic" culture which is holding firm and demanding women remain feminine, at least in appearance, and there doesn't seem to be all this affirmative action nonsense that we have in the west otherwise. We have similarly low birthrates in the west, but ALSO a plethora of the WRONG kind of births (single mothers, thugs, and so on) meaning that if S. Korea has a fertility rate of 0.79, at least most of those kids aren't going to be breaking into cars.
Despite all this flap about "The Patriarchy", sadly, most cultures are about the elites, who happen to be men, exploiting everyone PARTICULARLY working men they view as resources to be exploited and discarded. The west, and even the cultures you refer to, have degraded into capitalist materialism that doesn't care about community and culture.
I think it was also spread by Disney and American movies, including in the 1940's, which sold the "strong woman" theme such as Lauren Bacall and entitlement princesses who expected "princes" to take care of them. Bambi was anti-hunter propaganda. Frozen merchandise alone brings in billions to Disney hence Disney makes these DEI flops but they still are profitable.
When I go to Europe, mostly Eastern Europe now, it's like going to Disneyworld (in the classic sense) of actual cities that look like more than office park architecture, not filled with the homeless, safe and convenient public transportation, and so on. When feminists screech "They're trying to turn back the clock!" do they mean when you could buy a home on a single income, health, auto, and life insurance was a tiny fraction of your paycheck, and you knew nearly all of your neighbors? What a horror!
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
I met a few S. Koreans when I was in Thailand. I was like "let's go get pussy" and they looked at me like I was crazy. So anyway I went and got some dank ass Thai pussy and they drank all night. Like I mean that super dank stinky Asian street pussy. I would suppose they were all gay but there were ladyboys and gays everywhere too, and they didn't hit on me at all. It's like they had become asexual as a form of PTSD from the sex wars.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Marriage is a patriarchal institution that only works when the man can truly be a patriarch of his family while modern women are all feminists despite most of them not identifying as such, which means that marriage is not a viable option in the West anymore.
No-Stress-Cat 1mo ago
Seems the sperm banks are running a bit dry these days.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
You go girls! Raise your standards to the ceiling. Men will always be there to pay your bills and wife you up for your first baby at 45. Until then there’s the siren song of the CC.
Stupid article written by AI. Not a word about what men might want, as per the usual.
hhhhdmt 1mo ago
As stupid as AI is, i doubt even AI is stupid enough to write this nonsense.
This article is written by strong independent don't need no man Kweens. Of course they do not care about what men want.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Women on dating sites will rate the overwhelming majority of men as below average as well, yet somehow men are the shallow gender too. Just ignore that women need so little help meeting interested men that by definition having to resort to a dating site or service as a woman should be a massive red flag.
Turns out if you are someone that does not view men as people (who have their own wants and needs), but rather as status and utility objects, projecting your own flaws upon them becomes much easier. Easier than admitting that one is a shallow cunt lacking in depth and warmth and that's the reason for lacking a partner to have a child with.
PoopBeast 1mo ago
Let's not bother getting men's perspective on this. Just interview a few women with an axe to grind and some carefully selected "experts", and you've clearly done your due diligence.
-DadWhatGoesWithABlackDress-Cuffs 1mo ago
escape for a hamster
good image management: I might be a slut, but it absolves me form responsibility of my doings
believing in fairly tales that it will come to fruition, lies lies lies
look girls, egg freezing is cute and fashionable, you should do it too
although options dry up as well as the eggs
Good job guys, 'we' need to eliminate some genes from the pool
Shit, there is a link to that
We don't need this stats. It is just unsettling.
Yep. With a high chance of miscarriage, it would be super embarrassing.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
What got me in the pics was "Sophie Hermann" (36) dressing like she's in her 20's.
Well, no shit she thinks she "has time". She can't even be honest with how she sees herself anyway. The whole victim story/framing is there, it CAN'T possibly be that the women have anything to do with it, oh no, its that dang patriarchal society, damn it all!
Its fine, we can bounce back from low replacement rates, it will take some time, but it will happen.
Maybe by that time the absolute fucking morons that think acting like a man to attract a man will have aged out and their "advice" with them.
sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
It was so far that women cant commit in a monogamous relationship, women are naturally polygamous .... la la la
now it is man#s fault?
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
It's almost funny how these menopausal crones keep expecting the same small subset of Chad-tier men to settle down with them when those men could easily pick a woman with eggs that are still viable and who comes with way less baggage, or otherwise just simply enjoy the smorgasbord of pussy throwing itself at them.
sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
I feel like[there, i said it] that there#s a business opportunity. Not sure what tho.
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Interesting how they skirt several issues.
The women freezing their eggs had enough means of their own that they did not need government assistance. While I would bet that the women under 25 that are having kids do so for the government housing and benefits. Nice bind, there.
The other issue is that if these women had enough to freeze their eggs, why did they not just cut to the chase and go to a sperm bank? Their end goal is to end up as a single mom after the divorce. The only difference would be their lifestyle: single mom on the dole or chilamony money funded leisure.
Of course, the sperm banks are drying up as well. Which is all well and good for the donors who may receive 'surprise' child support bills.
So apparently, these boss babes are learning they cannot just order their dream man to appear and change their lifestyle and status. And it is men's fault for not wanting to destroy their own lives for the sake of someone else's entitled lifestyle.
The bottom line is that if these women were not willing to make the sacrifices in life to put having a family first, what kind of mother would they be to their own children? (Purely rhetorical question: we already have the answer and it is horrible.)
These articles warm the cockles of me cold, dead heart....
-DadWhatGoesWithABlackDress-Cuffs 1mo ago
because that assumes someone wants to be a mother and a sperm bank screams low status, shameful: 'no one wanted me'. The motherhood drive has to be larger than the shame.
:)
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1mo ago
Re: shame of sperm banks.
Not really. Poor women can't afford sperm banks. It's only middle class or higher that allows you to pursue that path. As for the social stigma, I believe it's changing. Sperm banks were originally started for couples where the man was infertile (low sperm counts, "slow swimmers", etc.) But advances in IVF mean pretty much no matter how screwy your sperm are, the technology is now there to fertilize an egg.
Which means the recipients from sperm banks are no longer primarily heterosexual couples but rather single women and a small group of lesbian couples. The story the single women tell themselves is that they're choosing sperm banks because they refuse to settle for the shitty men out there and they believe the child will be better off her with her as a single mother than having two parents where the man is "your typical lazy video game playing boy who refuses to commit" yadda yadda yadda.
IOW the story is the same: they're trying to convince the public (and largely succeeding) that women who are "forced" to use a sperm bank are either victims of men who refuse to grow up and commit, or are awesome queens who just can't find a man that measures up to their awesomeness. Rarely is the story ever "this woman is a loser who can't find a man."
-DadWhatGoesWithABlackDress-Cuffs 1mo ago
Sure. It can work this way as well as convincing women that 'fat is beautiful'. But they know. They really know but are just lazy and often too far gone to get slim so the narrative persists and new generation grows being brainwashed.
If comes to having a child at older age women are much more aware of life and being judged by other women. On one hand they have no child, while other women rub it in their face, on the other they show they couldn't find anyone to commit and put their awesomeness in question. While to find someone to commit is not dependent on them, they can at least get the child not to be perceives low status.
We will have no stats would an average [wealthy like] woman, ever admit of going to the sperm bank and then finding a beard and then claiming he was abusive so she left him but she's decided to keep it. 2 point shot.
There is many possibilities and we will arrive to the point where PUBLIC shame will be removed from everything women do. What is not in control is their social circle and real world treatment. Because the worst enemy of a woman is another woman.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Of course its men's fault. Everything is men's fault. Strong independent women have no real agency in life because men are supposed to be the agency for women.
"Its not because of their careers, its because they are in unstable relationships or with men who won't commit to them" Revealing. That statement may or may not be true but even if it is true what it shows is female desperation. They can't get the men they want. Why? Well standards being too high and the cock carousel being too enticing early on is a big part of it but also there is the simple fact that the women bring insufficient value to the table. Yes all those hot rich women on TV can't bring enough to the table to commit a man. Being hot and rich is no good if you are not pleasing, kind and submissive.
Simply the deal is too bad for the modern man. Women have a simple choice -offer better or cope. I honestly think that if I were 20 now, I would be expecting to die a childless virgin, not because I could not attain the threshold of mate worthiness but because the juice would require far more squeeze than I could give without selling my life. Perhaps I would seek casual sex? but I would not want a woman of my own. If I am ever set free to be ever single again, I don't think I will ever want another woman of my own. Too much entitlement, not enough return for effort.